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tylann:
Electricity connections is still under expansion

and IPPs have been approved in SA....so yeah

tylann:
We're building One of the biggest ports in Africa lamu port
Mombasa port is being expanded almost every year with massive special economic zone behind it

1 vs 8

tylann:
70% with no load shedding

And it was less than 30% ten years ago

Congrats so 1 third have permanent load shedding

tylann:
Not it's not why is Tanzania not closing the Gap.. it's pure infrastructure development and economic policies

Did I say population growth was the only factor?

tylann:
Nope our population growth is among the lowest in Africa that's not an excuse if it's population Tanzania could have overtook you already

Sill a lot higher than SA

tylann:
Our road infrastructure is greatly improving compared with where we were 10 years
On seaports Mombasa is second only to Durban in subsaharan Africa and is undergoing major infrastructure makeover
I told you people ten years ago South Africa economy was 10times the size of kenya now it's only 3 times that should tell you something

- Are you catching SAin 20 years....nope
- You have 1 major port...we have 8
- actually 4 times and will still be bigger in 2050

Shma:
NOPE!

yes!!

Shma:
Mention them.

60 is not too many, just list them.

If it's too hard, list those in Joburg alone.

Just go on Wikipedia, there is already 59 listed there....then add PWC tower...that equals 60

kabe1:
On the 21st of may.

I wonder who is laughing now.

I'm literally struggling to breath as i'm typing this You actually think retweeting something means they are relying on that information when writing factual articles

kabe1:
On the 22nd of May

yet another retweet

kabe1:
On the 23rd of May

another retweet

kabe1:
On the 24th of may.

Jeezez its a retweet!!

kabe1:
In the past 24 hours alone.

Since when does retweeting mean anything other than retweeting....please show me an article in which they used this thread or those twitter handles you mention!!

GreenandGold:
Buy a Patria overseas and you will see the South African media going up in arms over the purchase. You will see social media up in flames with comments like "they are buying weapons instead of building houses for the poor" or "they have money for weapons but no money for the hungry".

Having them built locally with the "we are creating jobs" tag will solve the problem.

Badger is 70% SAn no doubt!! but I still think we wouldn't be in the sh1t right now if we just went for the Iklwa or RG41

GreenandGold:
The highlighted is the Ratel's protection problem

So, to fix it, one would have to add a bigger engine and add an extra layer of steel around and maybe it would do 20mm protetction, but it is still nothing compared to the Badger's 30mm frontal arc protection.

yeah of course can't compare it to the badger I mean its 40 years older

The Iklwa is the answer

Shma:
I also want you to list them

sorry my bru I live in SA not Kenya...we have to many to list

Shma:
Yet to find the data - the only data I have says $345B, 2021.

rebased my bru I posted it here several months ago

tylann:
From Nigeria
Anyway south Africa and Nigeria both have load shedding issues Kenya crossed that bridge in the nineties

South Africa has 85% electrification....Kenya - 70%

tylann:
Kenya's GDP has grown mainly because of infrastructure development in the country

actually your population growth is a driving factor

tylann:
Hiding behind South Africa
We will overtake the stagnanting South Africa economy

yes by 2100 due to sheer population growth....same reason Nigeria overtook SA

tylann:
No it wasn't

it really doesn't matter since Kenya itself has yet to reach Joburg in terms of development and barely outmatches it in terms of GDP

Shma:
Your logic is eating you now.

And stop lying - the debate was all about Nairobi vs Joburg.

I even admitted that Kenya as a whole will take 50yrs to catch up with the current SA - but I came to notice that 50yrs is too much - so let's give it 20yrs - which makes more sense.

what i said originally:

jl115:
Really bru?? you have one city with skyscrapers... We have Joburg, CT, Pretoria, Durban, Bloem ect ect

We have over 50 buildings of 100m + you have 11....yet you are beating us?

In terms of what is Kenya going to catch SA?....we already know it ain't economy, can't be road network because we are at least 80 years(11th in the world), can't be rail because we are over a 100 years ahead there(13th in the world) , can't be airports(20th in the world), not see ports, can't be sporting infrastructure, definitely not catching our Universities, not catching our Health sector(especially private)

so you ain't catching our economy or infrastructure....so what exactly are you catching??

Shma:
So it's now Nairobi vs South Africa? Amazing

It was Kenya vs SA however since Kenya only has one city worth mentioning that is why Nairobi is part of the conversation.

Shma:
The shortest residential tower(29fls) in Avic international Is 101.5m, and each flow per ceiling is 3.5m.
The office & hotel tower is 4m per ceiling.

ok and? considering I just found out the PWC tower is 106m tall and also not listed could mean SA has easily over 60 maybe even 70 buildings over 100m

kabe1:
You're making a mistake. Defenceweb referenced the Nigerian Navy in their report.

The Nigerian Navy cited IMB in their press release, which Defenceweb copied from to run their story. Defenceweb did not manufacture the story out of thin air, unlike they did in a report some respondents here questioned.

Defenceweb depends on open sources for more than 70% of their news stories, including press releases from the various arms of the Nigerian military, this thread on Nairaland, Jakeporeshenko on Twitter, Africaken on Twitter and the likes.

You think Defenceweb uses this thread and Jakes and Africaken's twitter pages as sources Are you good bro?

kabe1:
The upgrade as an interim solution makes sense. However buying the Patria off the shelf would have been the best decision.

The Iklwa is a full modernisation of the Ratel, it would easily extent the service life of the Ratel by another 30 years.

What we could have also gone for was the RG41 when it was offered by BAE back then....they even warned about the problems the Badger project would face more than a decade ago.

Shma:
The point here is Nairobi is catching up with joburg soon. I don't have to stress my sentiment 1m times. You're not even thinking to see the logic - thats why you keep on bringing Kenya vs joburg.

Anyway, here is the list.
1. Britam Tower - 200m
2. Avic Office Tower - 184m
3. UAP Tower - 163m
4. Avic Hotel Tower - 141m
5. Times Tower - 140m
6. Prism Tower - 133m
7. LeMac Tower - 126m
8. Parliament - 125m
9. Teleposta Tower - 120m
10. Avic Residential 1 - 116m
11. Avic Residential 2 - 109m
12. Avic Residential 3 - 109m
13. KCB Tower - 109m
14. KICC - 105M
15. Upper Hill Chambers - 104m
16. Social Security House - 103m
17. Avic Residential 4 - 102m Not Built on hold
18. One Place Africa - 100m height 78m
19. 88 condominium - now past the 100m mark.
20. CBK - 140m
More under construction.

I'll concede and say 18 based on available information

kabe1:
The initial procurement plan didn't make any sense to me from the start.

What was the thinking behind buying the Patria AMV from Finland, then saying you want to build it in South Africa under a different name?

Why did the SANDF not buy the Patria AMV off the shelf?

exactly!!!!! buy the Patria.... Then replace 70% of it to make it "local" ..... Imo we should of gone for the Ratel iklwa upgrade

GreenandGold:
SANDF generals are curving under government political pressure instead of standing on their duties. The Ratel has paper armour, in fact, the reason why it even survived the Border War was because the armed groups of Angola were amateur fighters. In a conventional war with a conventional military, it would be sliced. Replacing hundreds of Ratels with 60-80 Badgers is nothing but falling under political pressure.

the Ratel isn't a tank and was specifically designed for irregular warfare such as in Angola.... It not just survived but was extremely successful not because Angolan fighters were amateur(In fact they were easily one of the best trained forces in Africa at that time) but because the Ratel is well designed and used precisely as designed..... Even by today's standard the Ratel has better mine protection than most modern IFVs and with protection against 12.7mm it still compares well with its modern day peers.

Shma:
Nairobi has 23 100m +. don't rely on wiki to feed you with info about Nairobi.

Nairobi dwarfs all the cities in SA except Joburg.
But for Kenya to catch up to the current level of SA - as a whole, maybe we need 50yrs.

But that is not the point. No one is comparing Kenya with SA. we made a simple estimate that Nai will one day catch up with Joburg, going by the dynamic in infrastructure progress. But your weak emotional boy Austine has caught feelings with that.

He's now calling me a pighead.

my bru Kenya hasn't even caught Joburg.... Never mind Nairobi....

Also could you list the 23 100m + buildings in Nairobi....

Shma:
That is how I roll with Austine. I told you not once, not twice. Don't jump into the conversation that you don't understand the root course.

Stop throwing the race card when losing an argument my bru it reeks of victimhood when you do

Shma:
The problem with you is EGO. EGO of sitting in a 30% white-dominated land and thinking you've made it in life. Ego is now telling you that skyscrapers are something outdated, and as we advance, we should not talk about them - when the world's top-notch engineers are busy planning on how to advance to 1km + super tall.

Anyway, Johannesburg has more taller buildings than any country in Africa. The tallest building in Durban will be dwarfed by UAP, talkless of GTC or Britam.

when losing an argument..... Resort to the race card