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newmi:
Recently l just a cause to reason this out: how easy will is be for the anti-christ to rule and reign. My thoughts were necessitated by the recent announcement by the CBN in Nigeria, calling on customers and account holders to update their accounts and just by the means of that announcement they got almost everybody; men, women, young, old, boys and girls all lined-up waiting to update their accounts.

I just remember when I was in a mall and was told to register my phone line. They collected all my data age, house a dress , finger print etc.! I said. To myself this is part of gradualism, gradually graduation to the one world government.

With the ever growing dynamic influence of the internet and technology in security like the sofistication of CTU cameras and the call for one registration or other even sim, the spiritually minded man knows one thing that even though these are good and designed for the so called benefit of the people, these are structures that are being put in place to aid the systemic rule of the anti-christ.
So christians there remaineth yet more work to be done if we must win the world for christ.

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PRINCE4CHRIST:
Since we know the truth, why not say it out! We all know that is not morally advised for a christian figure like him to do so.

Says who? Your own mind of course. Is it morally right to dye your hair black? Pls answer me

Just look, all his pastors do the same even some church members the church now look like party hall.
Some ladies wear crazy trousers. All this are not good but since they were not banned from wearing such, the misuse the oppourtunity. As christians we ought to dress decently. Boys stop sagging to church, girls stops wearing crazy jean trousers to church.

They don't wear party dress , they wear decent suits and tie like the pastor.

@REAL TRUTH

REAL TRUTH:
I totally disagree with you here,,,,God is not the author of confussion,,,he would not give a revelation about Himself to one pastor and the other pastor would question such revelations,,,,Oyedepo does not believe in Bakare,,,Bakare does not believe in Oyedepo and Adeboye,,,Kumuyi does not believe in any of the other pastors,,,Okotie believes Oyakhilome hears from the devil and associates with the devil,,,,
The rest of the pastors doubts TB Joshua,,,,,everyone of them says Catholics are going to hell,,,,,Jehovah witness thinks they re the true Christians,,,,
My thinking is that 99% of all the pastors in Nigeria are not called by God,,,,,However God's words stands sure and true,,,,,what we call church today is questionable and they re simply mens design,,,,,,very sad situation!!!!

Don't get me wrong . I don't deny that individuals do start a church for whatever reason and without a call of God. But by my spiritual discipline I don't exercise myself in matters that are too high for me because I'm not anybodys judge, Gid knows the intent of every mans heart. We will sin against God if we tow that line.

I'm looking at the primary reason churches or minostry start. Firstly God is not into denominations . Denominations is earthly , the body is one. But God calls individuals in the body for specially assignment  and gives them a message. This man is an orthodox but another man has been called to be a prophet, the grace is upon him , his church does not believe in prophetic , he leaves and start a ministry to fulfil his call. Another one has grace for evangelism but his present church systenpm does not give room for such , to avoid the grace been frustrated he moves out to fulfil his call. I only gave primary reasons for these things.

The old churches that refuse the work of the spirit gave room for new ones indirectly. Gods plan is timely in the churches. when a church become too traditional in spiritual things , God has to raise another person that can catch that vision. We have some ministers that God has blessed with individuals and gifted people. They are supposed to help him move the work forward but , his limited knowledge and fear would not give room to changes . Will God wait for him?

Some people are limited in the understanding of scriptures, they have two options . Either to study and show themselves approved or recognise others who God has given grace to minister in their area of lack. It can be prophecy, teaching, evangelism  or other arm. For example , God opens a young mans understanding to the use of the Internet as a medium . He he goes to an MOG and his reply to the young man is that the Internet is worldly. But God has anointed this young man for that purpose. So instead of doing it in rebellion and disobedience he quietly moves out to fulfil the grace upon him

If the MOGS have recognise the move of the spirit in the lives of some people under them , they would have remained and the work would have been greater.

Pastor chris was raised in assembly of God church. He started ministering as a teenager , he was preaching in one youth programe in the church, and because the MOG of the branch observing he was moving around and not standing in one place sent someone to collect the microphone from him and call the gesticulations and illustration "youthful exuberance " he didnt know there was a call. The young boy began to preach in villages and holding crusades . Started fellowship in secondary schools. And met MOG that believes in his call. but the assembly system has changed now , many years after. 

If the catholic church had recognised the grace upon marthin luther and other reformers , there would have been no Anglican and Methodist today they would have moved the whole system forward. Because the spirit of God was using Luther as a monk , God granted him revelation of salvation by faith. But the people of his days rather felt treathened and break up took place because God can't be stopped . He gave the man revelation knowledge .The church eventually changed some of the things many years later. 

A biblical example was Paul and Barnabas, they were called to function together.

Acts 13:2
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

Baranabas was born again before Paul , so he was leading the team but Paul had the anointing for that assignment , later the anointing upon Paul began to manifest, Barnabas ought to have recognise this . It became power tussle in decision making , they had to split the ministry

 Acts 15:37-40
37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark. 38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work. 39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.

So that's my point. Some started ministries to fulfil call .but for others who are moved by flesh ,It's between them and God.

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you are free, it doesn't make a difference. With it or without, you're still a sinner. But when you recieve Jesus , you live for him and not for the flesh.

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Revelations and callings.

Was there anything called Christianity in those passages?

Colossians 2:20-22
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21( Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

We can't in one word say all there us about faith. But faith is simply to act on the word of God.
As regards healing 

 I like the little illustration given by e36991

By the way, note there are different kinds of faith though

Namely: No faith, little faith, absurd faith, pseudo-faith, amazing or baffling faith, big faith etc

I will also like to add great faith, weak faith and strong faith.

The strength of the faith of a man has a lot to do with what he appropriate in the word of God. A man receive faith by knowing Gods word and he likewise develop his faith by thesame.  

Romans 10:17
17 So then faith[ cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 

That means also that a man with zero faith is a man that lack necessary knowledge or understanding of Gods word. A man with litle faith has little umderstanding  and a  man with great faith has great understamding.

A man that desire healing and the  man that want to minister healing both require faith. Except of course if the minister of healing is operating by The Gift of healing. Because the gift may not require faith sometimes but still does sometimes. Just like when Jesus went to his home town and could not do mighty miracles there because of their  Lack of faith. Even though Jesus had the gift of healing.

I will be able to contribute better if specific questions are asked .

A yes or No answer will not do you good. I think you should just do a search on the Internet "PROTESTANT CHURCHES"

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Either you are white or black , your hair was created curly and soft.

Besides pastor chris does not perm his hair. There are different kinds of relaxers for men and for women , there are some for children too. Women use the perming relaxers, but there are different kits for men. Some people have natural stubborn hair, and the use of a relaxer to soften it is not a bad idea. It only make combing easier for those who care. There are other creams and relaxers for men such as sporting waves ,S Curls etc.  What you do with your hair is your business. God is not against curly hair. If he was he would not  made your hair curly when you were born

Is it biblical for you to cut your hair, or your fingernail which God created?

Ymodulus:
wrong wrong wrong. There is no truth in religion secondly religions has several ways of worshipping their god.

You're right for once, there is not truth in any religion. That's why a man need to embrace salavtion in christ. Christianity is not a religion. It is about man receiving the gift of God. Life!

@cemehere

cemehere:
God lives in every man's life, most especially the christian.

God does not live I every man. He only indwelling his saints in christ. But God loves every person.
 
@ Rousseau

Rousseau:
God is the creator of all mankind. He does not have favorites. If I am reading your statement correctly, you make it seem that God has picked Christians as his flag bearers. I must say, that is an arrogant view to hold. Their is truth in all religions. God has made himself known throughout history to many different groups of people. If you look closely at the different religions found throughout the world, they all have similar patterns to how they experience God.

Do you believe in the bible , that it contains the word of God? If you do, then your  post is contrary to what the bible says. Even though every religion preach morality, God is not in the religions. Religion is man's search for God. But christianity is the medium by which God link man to himself. Its not enough to acknowledge there is a God in heaven . You must come to him not in your own way but his own way. And there is only one way.

John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 

geedup:
yea,u're right but d point i'm trying 2 communicate is dis,4 example,they come 2 your house say some prayers and all of a sudden they act crazy and start making utterances like "LEAVE THAT GIRL" when u knw quite alright dat u dnt do such or they'll say dat thing u're doing wit those boys should stop and still my friend does nothing of that nature. Sometimes dis thing makes him feel dat God doesn't exist. U should undastand how he feels when he's a product of a broken home and he now has a stepmother who is d mastermind of all this. My fellow nairalander,d whole thing is too complicated and i hope u'll undastand dis time. If u stil dnt i will elaborate 4 u 2 undastand, all i need is contributions and views, it could change a life u knw? Thanks

I guess you're talking about prophetic churches. The issue is that your friend has no business with a pastor he doesn't believe in. There's nothing lie family pastor or family pastor friend. You should have a pastor by belonging to a church you believe in. Faith is a personal thing. So if your friend has a pastor , and another proohet comes , he should not even come out of his room. Not to talk of joining them in prayer . Especially with the funny attitude of this so called minister. Some people just get carried away with the physical and when they see a guy with blue jeans and T shirt ," he must be chasing girls " as far as try are concerned.

But for you and your friend are you both born again? If you are, then take him to church.

xgel:
Has the world gained or lost by the separation of Christians into Protestants and Catholics?

Separation doesn't exist . The body of christ is one. It's either you are born again or not.

heartyruby:
pls are all protestant churches white garment

Throw a little light on your question. It doesn't make much sense to me . Or are you asking if the white garment churches are Protestants too.

olabowale:
Pastor AIO:
Pastor, I ask you invoking the Power of Almighty Creator, to tell who was the last "Comforter," before the "Comforter," that Jesus Son of mary was talking about "its" coming, after he Jesus would have asked the "Father?" Please don't mince words. Come to the point, directly, without any concern for even your own "ego."

What is it that the former "Comforter," taught, which will be relevant to what the future "Comforter," that Jesus promised will teach? Further, just to gear you to consciousness, was the former "Comforter" before Jesus was on earth through his mother, or during the time that Jesus was alive? When did the former "Comforter" tenure on earth (It seems as if Comforters to children of Israel or to human are always functioning with humans on the surface of the earth) ended, and how long did it last? How long the former "Comforter" relationship ended before the beginning of the relationship of the promised "Comforter" came? What was the nature of the former "Comforter", if the future and and the "Comforter" promised by Jesus is "Spirit?" Are the two "Comforters" one and the same , except that they came at different times? Why would "Comforters" be sent to human; especially the former "Comforter," since we know from Jesus what was the reason "Father" not Jesus would send the future "Comforter?" Did the former "Comforter" succeed in "its" duty? If so who was the former son of man that the "former Comforter" came after, in the same footstep as the "future Comforter" player after Jesus? 

Please listen to the 3 entities (Former Spirit, the first Comforter, before the Comforter spirit that Jesus promised to ask the father to send after he left, The usual Christian Holy spirit, (You may add Jesus, etc to help you)), and give me direct answers to my many questions about "Comforter" promised by Jesus. Please note that another means there was at least a single former of the same. What was the nature of the former? It is obvious to me that the former and the promised Comforters were not one and the same. Therefore, how many Comforters were available before the last one promised, which Jesus spoke about?

And your point is. . . .?

Well you sound like a Muslim , and a follower of Ahmed Dee-dat teachings.  who claimed that Mohamed is the comforter. But the bible was clear enough that the holy spirit is the comforter. 

 John 14:16-17
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17[ Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 Acts 1:4-5
4 And, being assembled together with[ them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which,[ saith he], ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

And of course we know what happened on the pentecost day when the spirit whim they've been waiting for finally came

 Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

 Acts 2:2-4
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 

Another thing that you need to note is that the word comforter (parakletos) also means intercessor. Which is one of the functions of the holy spirit. He intercedes for us , helping our prayers. 

 Romans 8:26-27
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what[ is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to[ the will of] God. 

Deep Sight:
Hmm. Dont deceive yourself, OP O. There are millions of fantastically kind and good natured Nigerians. Born Agains inclusive. So many of them, I tell you.

I dont have the energy to go into details now, but i will never forget about 15 years ago i was stranded in Abuja. It was a perfect stranger called Benjamin - who was poor as a rat who gave me a home to sleep in and transport money the next day back to lagos.

I made a commitment to name my first son Benjamin, after him.

It was another perfect stranger in the bus back to Lagos that took care of me and after I had nothing else, personally delivered me to my home in Lagos.

I took my family the next day to go and thank him, only to be told he passed away that night.

Thanks deep sight for that testimony . I got inspired when I hear things like this. I remember a story a brother of mine shared about how he met the the best Nigerian and the worst Nigerian in one night. He was in Lagos V.I. on a public bus, but due to traffic hold up, the bus had to take a short cut to pass through a sandy area , near the beach or so. The bus sank in the sand. And they were stranded because nobody cared to stop. He said suddenly , a young handsome man came down from a very fine jeep, opened his trunk and brought out a towing rope, the towing rope which had hook on it. so he hooked it on their bus and towed the bus with all the passengers till they got to a good road ,he then turned back to his own direction.

The worst Nigerian ironically that night was a policeman who arrested the driver and beat him up for not giving him whatever and he discharged all the passengers and left them stranded again

I got so inspired that I had to look for towing rope with hook to buy. And I have been towing sinking cars since! And receiving prayers from old and young who would have been stranded from car breakdown or sinking in mud and sand . That young handsome Nigeria inspired me.

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the issue is not how accurate Sun report is. The issue is such things do happens.

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Ymodulus:
My friend your god is no where, if he is every where why dont he save his faithfull ones when they are about dieing. Why is it people suffer , innocent souls die of no meaningfull fault. In all this your god still exist?

The devil is the agent of destruction . God has delivered many from his hand. Faith in God is the deliverance .The just shall live by his faith. God has delivered us from the enemy but he wont be able to deliver you when your own trouble comes as long as you refuse to acknowledge God.

Psalms 14:1
1 The fool hath said in his heart,[ There is] no God. . . .

Luke 21:34
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares

I’m often amazed at the kind of excuses some believers give for not attending Church services regularly. A young man once told me he couldn’t make out time to go to church on Sunday because he had to go play soccer. How sad.

The Lord Jesus Christ in the opening scripture warns us on the need to be careful, lest our hearts become overcharged with surfeiting. In other words, He’s telling us to avoid overindulgence in the things we’re interested in or like to do, so much so that we get lost in them.

1 John 2:15-17 says,
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”

Playing soccer or getting involved in any other kind of sport or recreational activity is good, but it’s only profitable to you in this life. Therefore, you shouldn’t let such engagements take pre-eminence over being in Church when you ought to. If you give your wholehearted attention to such transient endeavours you’ll miss out on the most significant things of life:

1 Timothy 4:8
“…bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come”  So, to miss Church services for soccer or even a business meeting isn’t the best for you.

Even if you were ordered to go for such a business meeting or soccer practice on a Sunday morning, show yourself to be different and request a change in the schedule! Show yourself to be spiritual. Take it as an opportunity to prove your love for God by letting everyone else know you value the worship of God more than anything else in the world. Don’t let the things of the Spirit be relegated to second place in your life.

Prayer
Dear heavenly Father, I’m so thankful to you for your Word and the peace and comfort I derive therein. I affirm and confirm my love for you by declaring that nothing in this world is worth anything compared to the fullness of joy and the pleasures of your presence. You alone are my heart’s desire and I worship and adore you today and forever, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study
Romans 8:5-8
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

@newmi

Left for me  I don't see anything to respond to. I dont owe him nor his senior brother who is behind this nonsense propaganda because they must silence joagbaje at allcost. This guys heart is full of filth and it shows in every post of his. Why is his mind so clouded with immorality ?

I have several friends on NL . And if for any reason we have opportunity to meet offline we discuss, laugh at each other and make some posts if there need be.  Sir John and I talked offline , I am even supposed to do a painting for him .he even proposed hosting me in his house one of these days. We have exchanged materials .  Sir john also promised visiting kenyan28 during his vacation there . I dont know if he eventually did . I have talked with Kenyan28 and for God sake, she is not a CEC member. She only got healed in CEC healing school. She gave her Dr.her NL I.D.  To testify and give his own account  of  her HIV condition and healing,  Maybe what she should have done was to tell the doctor to register on NL.  Her Dr. Was in UK. That's what I could pick from her words . Her accent was not so clear. She is really from Kenya. And she has never been to CEC there.

Is it a crime if someone meets another NL.member?  We were in a function and discussed and she Borrowed my system to make a post. I think her battery was down or network or so. But she didnt log out. I later used the sysytem. And that was all. Its about 6-8months ago.  And I apologised to everyone and explained. That ended the matter.it wasn't an embarrassment to me. It could have happened to anybody . But these duo are now trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.  Because they must discredit and silence joagbaje. Look at this after 8 months .see his interpretation:
 

nuclearboy:
At least we know you sleep together . . . .

Why Is he so sexually oriented? I should have been offended if I were dealing with a responsible person. You can see how filthy his mind reason. And this use of "we" as though they are speaking for everybody, just 2 of them plus 1 extra. "WE"

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E fi omo kékeré yï sí lè?

@newmi

fellowship you don't have with the Holy Spirit because even when you read you bible you only do with the singular motive and intent to ague. You very empty no wonder you could conviniently conceive such obnorcious and filty ideas of one person sleeping with another even on nairaland kai your mind strong o: breaking every barrier of technology to sucessfully visualize that corruption.

So if you know all these why waste precious time. You should have given attention to my post yesterday. If someone enter fights with a mad man, people may not eventually know who is the mad one. He that is down need fear no fall .he has nothing to lose. So you don't lose your own honour.

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what about ? You can reach me joagbaje@yahoo.com

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Proverbs 13:16
16 Every prudent[ man] dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open[ his] folly.

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mikeg:
My position is as follows: According to scripture there should be no teaching/preaching within a new covenant church. I would go further and say that if teaching/preaching is deemed necessary by your church leaders it can only mean one of two things. Either the leaders consider the fellowship to be comprised of unbelievers or the leaders themselves are unbelievers.

Consider this scripture and tell me if I am wrong Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

This is a future prophecy, primarily for Israel. The salvation of Israel is going to be a national thing and not individual. Presently they are still in darkness. And they've not embrace the new testament yet. We recognise that some few Jews are born again but  the salvation for Israel is as a state. When they finally fulfil the 7th week of Daniel 9. The scripture will be fulfilled .

This read in context is refering to New Covenant believers

It's primarily Israel and they are yet to embrace the new covenant.

Romans 11:25-26
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 [b]And so all Israel shall be saved: [/b]as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

This things do happen . In the course of ministering to people ,I've met with individuals who were once used by these evil spirits. Some can turn a baby into a stone in the womb. A lady once said if she goes to an hospital and cross her legs around the labour room area, the woman in labour will not give birth.

They can do these things successfully to those who are not saved and Christians who dont know their authority in christ. If your life is full of fire, you are untouchable.That's why everybody needs to understand our place in christ. If you don't embrace the right message of the authority of the Christian you won't survive when the devil come visiting. The world is full of wickedness in this last days . It's not enough to be a Christian . You must embrace knowledge and know your rights ,privileges and your authority in christ over the devil.