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Matthew 8:13
Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour

The Bible tells several inspiring stories of people who had faith for others to be healed. They couldn’t bring their loved ones to Jesus for one reason or the other, yet they got a miracle. This means therefore, that you can have faith for someone else to receive a miracle.

Luke 7:2-7
A certain Centurion whose dear servant was sick and ready to die is one of such. When he heard of Jesus, he sent the elders of the Jews to beseech Him that He would come and heal his servant. Jesus agreed and followed them. But just before they got to the Centurion’s house, the Centurion sent a message to Jesus and said, “Lord, don’t trouble yourself; for I’m not worthy that you should enter under my roof; neither do I consider myself worthy to come to you, but just give the word, and my servant shall be healed”

When Jesus heard the words of the centurion He marvelled at his faith and turned to those that followed Him and said,
“I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.”
By the time the messengers got back to the Centurion’s house, they found the hitherto sick servant perfectly healed and made whole (Luke 7:9-10). The faith of his master prevailed and he (the servant) got a miracle!

If the Centurion could demonstrate great faith on his servant’s behalf and get a miracle, you too can have faith to receive a miracle today for your loved ones – your spouse, siblings, parents, or children. You can intercede or meditate for a miracle for your office, school, or community. Like the Centurion, all you need is a word from the Master, and that word has already been given, He said
‘…in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full (John 16:23-24).

So the question is: What do you want? The centurion was very clear about what he wanted for his servant and he was convinced that the Master’s words were potent enough to give him a miracle. The same applies to you today! Stand in the gap for others who are weak and helpless by asking the Father, in the Name of Jesus, for a miracle on their behalf, and it will be done unto you!

Prayer
Dear Father I thank you for the ability you’ve given me to stand in the gap for others by demonstrating my faith in your Word on their behalf. I pray today for those who are sick and in hospitals, especially those amongst them who are preachers and ministers of the Gospel, that your healing power will mantle them, breaking the stronghold of sickness and disease off them, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study
Mark 7:25-30
For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
29And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
30And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

Hebrews 11:35
Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

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Confessing sins is not the typical village witch confession picture, where the witch tells the village all her deeds. It's not a textbook confession either. It's more of a surrender, a saying that He's not without sin. Something like "Lord i confess i'm a sinner, please have mercy on me". ".

I didn't intend to respond to you on this forum again since you've entered my list of the carnal and abusive posters. But I like the part if your post above. And I agree with it.

When the Bible says people confessed their sins in John's ministry, do you think they brought a list of all their sins since birth?

Yes, johns baptism was different. They had a law, and they confessed their "sins"  and johns baptism was not to save men but to create atmosphere of repentance for a nation to recieve the messiah. Those who got baptised by John had to be re baptised in the name of jesus after resurrection. 

So I agree that A sinner must acknowledge and recognise he is a sinner .that should be the first thing, But what makes him a sinner is the adamic nature. So he acknowledges he is a sinner, and accept the lordship of Jesus by confessing him as his lord. There is difference between sin and sins. It is not his "sins"that makes him a sinner. But the sin he inherited. His own deed are lnconsequential. It is the sin of Adam that makes a man a sinner. It is the obedience of christ that made us righteous

Romans 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

They are only symptoms of the greater sin of the fallen man. It is not the barking that makes a dog one. It only barks because its a dog. And even if a dog learns not to bark. Its still a dog.So the idea of confessing every " sin" is my bone of contention. What they need to do to wipe out the sin nature is to confess Jesus as lord. And acknowledge he rose.

Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 

Romans 10:9-10 AMPLIFIED
9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe( adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart a person believes( adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified( declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses( declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms[ his] salvation. 

InesQor

InesQor:
In all these recent threads, Joagbaje don dey show hin true color as a false preacher

I still pray for your full recovery. You've not shown any fruit of change from old ways. With the guile and maggots you vomit out if your mouth. Stop displaying the emptiness you carry, If you have nothing to contribute, just keep your cool

Proverbs 17:28
28 Even a fool when he holds his peace is considered wise; when he closes his lips he is esteemed a man of understanding.

Philippians 3:13
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before

It’s been a great year. We’ve achieved so much in our ministry and in our evangelical work around the world by the power of God’s Spirit. We’re so grateful to the Lord for the outpouring of His supernatural grace upon us – to enable us to achieve so much – far beyond our goals and dreams. Now, we look forward to the coming year with faith, confidence and assurance, knowing that the glory ahead shall by far outweigh the victories of yesterday and triumphs of today:

Haggai 2:9
“The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the Lord of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts”

So I urge you, look to the coming year with hope, faith and confident assurance that you’d win on every count! There’s a greater glory ahead. Forget the failures, weaknesses, and disappointments you may have experienced in the outgoing year, and set your focus on the present and future glories, successes, victories and triumphs the Lord has set before you.

Maybe at the beginning of the year, you outlined so many things you wanted to achieve by the end of the year. But now, taking stock, not much of those things pulled through for you; don’t be discouraged. Find out where you missed it! Find out what you ought to have done to help you achieve those goals you didn’t attain, and then make up your mind not to repeat the same mistake in the coming year.

Maybe part of your goal at the beginning of the year was to spend more time studying and learning the Word of God more than you had ever done, but you didn’t quite achieve your desired objective. You can choose today to do it right in the coming year by applying some more discipline to it. Its ten days to the end of the year, and if in these last ten days, you consciously discipline yourself to spend at least an hour to study God’s Word everyday, you’re going to begin the coming year in glory! It won’t be difficult for you to carry on that culture, and by the help of God’s Spirit sustain it throughout the New Year.

Take this seriously; be determined for growth! Be determined for progress; be determined for the greater glory that lies ahead! Your path is like the shining light that shines brighter and brighter unto the perfect day (Proverbs 4:1). You’re born to reign, rule and win in the coming year!

Proverbs 4:18
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Isaiah 43:18
Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.

^^^^Melchizedek was a man who has no record of birth or death. A king priest, a type of christ. The order of Melchizedek preceded levitical order. Several people were high priests under levitical order under the Jewish law. But the sacrifice of christ ended the levitical order which was for Jews only. We are back to Melchizedek order , and Jesus is the high priest .

^^^that's what the bible says. I don't understand sign language to know how they communicate. We can both do a study on it.

Zikkyy:
Can you provide some clarifications here Jo,
One, can this confession be done in the bedroom with just the Lord in attendance or must it be a public show with ‘men’ also in attendance.

Prayer of salvation can be made everywhere. Even alone in the bedroom

Two, (slightly related to manmancho question but with a different objective) – you said confession via spoken words is required, what happens to the man that is mute? For one that is un-able to utter a single word, is salvation still attainable?

Point if correction we have ministration to the blind and not to deaf mute. Some people are skilled in communicating with special cases. Honeslty I don't have detail information. But if I must get a dog saved I must learn the language of barking.

Maybe we should create a thread on that and the specialist on such can enlighten us .What of mad men ?  Mental cases, imbeciles, austism patient,  the man in a coma  etc. It's not every human person that can be ministered to.

Zikkyy:
Oga mikeg, what has mechisedec priesthood got to do with the new covenant? Are you under mechisedec priesthood or under Christ’s priesthood? They are not the same.

Well they are one. Christ is a highpriest under the Order of mechizedek priesthood. As Aaron was a high priest under the Order of levitical priesthood.

OLAADEGBU:
Equally, every person in Adam still sinned and therefore suffered the consequences of breaking the then unwritten moral law:

Cain married his sister, Lot impregnated his daughters. May I ask you the consequences of their " SINS" based on moral law since the law of Moses was not yet given.

"the soul that sins, it shall die" -- Ezekiel 18:4 (The Evidence Bible).

Was these written for the Gentiles or Jews? Gentiles had no law.   

Death reigned as king, with a dominion from Adam to Moses.  They didn't partake from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as did Adam, but they still sinned against God.

That's your interpretation. But  not Gods. They sinned on the account of Adam sins. Their "SINS" were not counted against them because there was no law. Sin was only imputed or counted against the "Jews " when the law came. What was the punishment of Cain and lot. (Mind you I believe in the law of sowing and reaping, but I dint want us to go there now)

Romans 5:13
13( For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 

Jesus has taken away the sin and sins of the world God is not imputing sins against anybody now.The gate is open , we announce to them and they embrace truth.
 
2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

We are dead in our trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1) and until we confess and forsake them through repentance, we cannot be made alive in Christ.

Can you quote one or two passages by Paul to back this pls. Where a non. Christian would be made to confess sins before salvation.

You cannot brush aside what Jesus Christ said there.  Let's focus on what Jesus said for His words are timeless and shall not pass away without being fulfilled.  In Matthew 4:17 "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" again He said in Luke:

Why i  prefer you quoting Paul is because you are misapplying the teachings of christ. Jesus was speaking to a nation that had a moral law. Jesus had not died . The new testament was not in effect until Jesus rose. So let's dwell on paul's teaching . The disciples of christ themselves did not get born again and received the spirit until Jesus rose. So not every teaching in the gospels applies to the church. Let's focus in the message to the church. Some are old testament, some are Intertestamental and some are for us.

"I tell you, Nay: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish." -- Luke 13:3,5
Hosea 4:6 tells us why sinners will perish.
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will reject you . . . seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children."

which law? And to which people?
  

Why then did Jesus command that repentance be preached to all nations (Luke 24:47)?  One can only suspect that those who preach salvation without repentance are strangers to repentance themselves, and thus strangers to true conversion.

Repentance is to turn to God.  Remission is the wiping away of the sin in it's entirety. When a man gives his heart to christ, the old life is wiped off plus consequences of evil he had done based on the law of sowing and reaping.
 

The Bible makes it clear that God is holy and man is sinful and that sin makes a separation between the two (Isa 59:1-2).  Without repentance from sin, sinners cannot have fellowship with a holy God.

Those who claim that they believe in Jesus Christ but have not repented from their sins.  You cannot say No, Lord in the same breath.

You are being suggestive . And Im not seeing that as a positive sign in a discussion. There are two different issues here. You are creating an impression as if one is saying that it is ok for people to go ahead and live wrong lives after they are saved. The p.rostitute  should continue her trade.That's not proper. Let's try focus on the topic of discussion. So that we don't go round in circles.

When a man gives his heart to the lord , he receives ability to leave a life that pleases God. And he lives by the word of God. He is cleansed from his old ways . Because he is entirely a new person. So I'm not saying that they should continue the old ways.

 Romans 6:11
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 

It's a Christian you teach this to after salvation. And not before .What do you mean by your "repentance"? if your are talking about confession of sins. They ought to have confess it is unscriptural . But if you're talking about living right, of course it's part of the package. A new man in christ lives a new life . 

This is what Peter preached on the day of Pentecost, he commanded his hearers to repent "for the remissions of sins" -- Acts 2:38

So did he say they should come and confess each sin? Repentance is to turn to God.

Without repentance, there is no remission of sins, and that means we will all be under the wrath of God.
Listen to what Peter said again:
"Repent . . . and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" -- Acts 3:19 (The Evidence Bible).

You should remember that peter was talking to people under the law. He chose language they are familiar with. He wasn't talking to Gentiles. 

 Acts 3:25
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 

Jesus gave the gentile church doctrine to Paul. If you don't dwell on his teaching , there will be issues. 

There is no place where it was recommended for people to be confessing sins before they get saved.  They were only to confess the lordship of Jesus christ and live for him. The early church had their issues of doctrinal differences. We Follow paul's teaching. He was the apostle to the gentile. And the Gentiles had no law to transgress.  If a natural  gentile man does evil, it is not a sin against God. His handiwork doesn't make him a sinner but rather a symptom of inherited sin nature. When the sin nature is supplanted by the new nature of God. There will be a desire and ability to live right. That is the gospel. So God is not imputing their "sins" let's follow paul's teaching.   
 
Romans 5:12-18
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13( For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also[ is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace,[ which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as[ it was] by one that sinned,[ so is] the gift: for the judgment[ was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift[ is] of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one[ judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one[ the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life. 

Paul was contrasting Adam with christ here. A natural man became a sinner ,on the account of Adam sin. Likewise a new creation became righteous on the account of christ obedience. If a natural man does good things, it's still a sinner he has a nature of sin. And if a Christian makes a mistake or error, he is still a righteous man  because he has the nature of righteousness.  And that doesn't mean he should be living in sin. But if he find himself yield to flesh in any way , he should repent of the error and move on.

1 John 2:1
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
 

@Ayodele123

ayodele123:
By their fruits we shall know them!
Has he ever preached about Hell to his congregation?

Is your own gospel about how hot Hell fire is? did Jesus send us to preach hell or the good news of the kingdom? You must be a HELL of a preacher dude.

Why does he avoid this topic?

How many of his tapes have you listen to? Pastor chris teaches the whole counsel of God and he makes us know that Hell is not the last abode of the wicked but Lake of fire is. Hell itself will be cast into the lake of fire. I'm sure you didn't know that before Mr Hell preacher, 

Revelation 20:14-15
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. 


So add this new revelation to your hell preaching. Hell has some fire but lake of fire does not have some fire. Lake of fire is ALL FIRE!.  
 

Was it not in his ministry that a member stole N34m from his employers and donated it to the ''church''?
The 'church' returned half of the money. What happened to the other half? Is this the church that Jesus Christ shed His blood for?

The church teach against such criminality. If a man stole and gave part if it in one of the branches . You cant blame pastor chris for that. Thousands of people give for different things in the ministry from Tv to satelite etc. Its not church duty to question people who give to God of where they got their money, but it's church will continually teach the word. Its left to individuals to comply to the teachings. Pastor chris teaches that prosperity comes by righteousnes . Pastor chris even said if you find huge amount of money on the ground , you should take it to the nearest police station and you should have witnesses or a lawyer. He said dont bring it to church. You guys just peddle false idea of what the man of God teaches.

The church preaches 'modern day christianity' which is at variance with the Word of God.

It's not a bad idea ,iPod , iPad, mp3 computer bible, satellite , Internet . it depends on what you mean by modern christianity.We take advantage of modern day technology to advance the course of the gospel . If your church is using wireless microphone , then you should just keep quiet.

Its members say that they enjoy the entertainment that the services offers them.Is the word of God now for entertaining people?

What is the entertainment? And Which member say so can you post the link to the article? I heard the members of your own church smoke Indian hemp in service. What do you say to that!

Is it not for the salvation of souls and for sober reflection about the fact that the kingdom of God is at hand

The kingdom is not at hand ,the kingdom is on, we are in the kingdom already! What on earth are they teaching you?

Colossians 1:13
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated[ us] into the kingdom of his dear Son: 

and God is calling on all men everwhere to repent before it is too late?
God will judge us all as individuals. (2 Corinthians :10 )

You should first repent of your evil speakings of things you don't know. 

It is an individual race.

So face your race.

manmacho:
Well is good to emphasize this, i bet lots of church goers only belive in thier heart but to come to the point of cofession is not what lots of them have done consciously

actually i am evangelizing from this perspective

Being born again starts truly with beleiving and confessing

i hope most of the chraistain hopefuls will take a cue from this

Thank you for your contribution , many people don't really understand the power of words, they erroneously feel confession unto salvation Is too simple because they don't understand the power of spoken word. Some believe a man has to beg God very seriously by repeating "SAVE MEN, SAVE ME,SAVE ME" several times or days until they feel saved! Words are not mere sounds. Words are spirits. When a man a man declares Jesus as lord and openly confess him . Those words are tangible in the spirit realm. He is launched into salvation.

@OLAADEGBU

OLAADEGBU:
Who told you that repentance for a sinner is not about his "sins"?  If you read and understood the context as you stated above you will realise that the promise of Salvation is a two sided coin; Repentance from sin and to "believe" on Jesus Christ and you shall be saved (Romans 10:9; Acts 16:31).

The Jewish law was for Jews only, the new testament is for the church. The natural man or unbeliever, which law has he transgressed? Is he under the church law or the Jewish law? Where there is no law there is no sin 


Romans 5:13
13( For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Of course we recognise the conscience , the sense of right and wrong . But does moral deed get him saved? A gentleman umbeliever is still a sinner gentleman goin to hell. 

But sinner has no power to live right, even if he tries and stop bad habits, can that save him? Evey child of God loves to do right because the love of God is shed abroad in his heart . He has received ability to do right. It is a false gospel to preach sins to a natural man. Because if for any reason they stop the bad habit they will think they are ok with God. That's why when you ask someone sometimes if he is saved  you hear things like "I'm still working on it". Because he has come in contact with people that make him feel it is his bad habit that made him a sinner, so he is busy struggling to stop the bad habit first before he feels qualify to now be born again. It is a false gospel . You don't take off the dirt before the shower. When you enter the shower , your dirt and filth will be taken away.when a sinner embrace the love of God because he couldn't help himself ,he receives the ability to live right. The word of God washed and cleanses. 

If you read all that the Bible said about the promise of salvation and not just the one side of the coin you will not end up with false converts, that is, half baked Christians as we have today.

So what are you saying ? If the man confess the so called sins. Does that stop him from committing another one? And what about the one he forgot to confess ? Will he die for it. So God forgives him for the ones he confess and hold the ones he forgot against him.?

A mans past life is wiped away as he embrace christ. He is a new man. God takes no cognisance of his past. "old things are passed away. He has no sin to confess. He only needs to learn the word of God sos as to walk in Gods will.p

Like John the baptist, Jesus' first word in preaching was "Repent: for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17; 3:2)

"I tell you, Nay: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish." -- Luke 13:3
Jesus was telling His audience that without repentance, they would perish.

Was it God that killed the galleleans in that scripture? Besides You can't compare the repentance of the Jews under  John the baptist to the life in christ. Let's focuss on apostolic teaching , let's focus on the doctrines of Paul. He is the one God gave the revelation of the gentile church. 

John the baptist came to prepare people for the coming of the messiah. The repentance of John did not bring salvation. Paul faulted it. 

If it is just to believe in Christ is all that is required for salvation, then the logical conclusion is that sinners don't need to repent.

In the sense of sins , yes , they have no "sins " to repent of . When a man gives his heart to christ , everything of the past is washed away.  

their repentance is to embrace the lordship of christ. Freedom from dead works come with the doing away of the dead nature. If you deal with the virus ,the symptoms will come to a halt.

However, we understand Luke 8:13 that a false convert "believes" and is not saved and thus remains a worker of iniquity:

That's your own  interpretation and application . Its not talking about convertion but fruitfulness. I would you dwell on clear teaching of Paul after the resurrection of christ than complicating simple illustration of christ. 

The apostle John further warns us that:

"If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" -- 1 John 1:6

So what's your point? Who says we should walk in darkness? we are. Children of light! 

[This is what Jesus said 

"Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repents." -- Luke 15:10
If there is no repentance, there is no joy because there is no salvation.  There are more examples to give.

There is repentance unto salvation which is different from repentance of works.

My sumary, Before jesus came to die . The jews had to repent of works because they had a law.
Johns baptism was based on the Jewish law. So he preached repentance of works unto them they came to confess their sins. But this confession and repentance didn't bring salvation. It only created a moral atmosphere for the messiah to come.

Mark 1:4-5
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. 

Paul still faulted johns baptism of repentance. In christ we don't do it johns way again.

 Acts 19:3-5
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard[ this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 

PRINCE4CHRIST:
@joe
  See my friend, the bible says in john 8:32  'And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free'
  You are just trying to defend your mistakes instead of you to admit it and stop preaching logic.
   Now the name u saw over there is PRINCE FOR CHRIST not PRINCE FOR GOD even though is PRINCE FOR GOD.Looking at that name alone u will understand that the bearer has some knowledge of Christ, ok. Ask urself how can some one who have not recieved Christ bear his name.

I didn't look at the detail of the name and even if I did, as a christian counsellor , I shouldn't be moved by a Nairaland name. PASTOR AIO is a Nairaland name and he opened a thread on Ifa , ( juju divination) so name is irrelevant. You didn't present your case well that's why I was trying to leave no stone unturned. You ought to have stated your spiritual spiritual condition. Eg. I am so and so . I am a born again Christian , committed in a living church and bla bla bla,  If you don't give such details a real counsellor will need to ask you question to get the details. Just like a doctor. He needs information beyond just the symptoms. He may require a lab test. If not he may think the problem is just malaria whereas he is dealing with H.I.V virus. We dint rush to dish out counsels because we deal we lives, do i didn't make a mistake . You made the mistake , I was only balancing issues for you. I know that some gentlemen here have tried to work on your emotion by making you feel I'm insulting you and calling you unbeliever , but no qualms , it's part of life.but any real spiritual person should know I'm saying the truth.
 

I only openned this thread to get some advice on how to over come temptations.
  But because u wanted to cover your mistake in your first post thereby playing logic to the truth, and showing your low mentality on God's word. It now leads to this argument.
  Simple if u really wants to help, preach me on how to overcome sins that lead to 'ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS' And stop  preaching gospel philosophy.

I wanted to help , if you had responded in time I would have called you up or something if there need be, I have helped several people on this forum by counsel , even helped some deal with demonic case. They mailed me and we talked on phone and they are now free of the problems. I counselled you to join a church and attend the classes, if you are already in a living church and with all the teachings there ,you still have issues with sins , simply ought to have said so. And I will  know of certaintly that the matter may be beyond just teaching or counselling . I will need to know whist kind of sin you have problem with. A religious person will quickly say "fornication" but as a counsellor I won't assume , you need to tell me the problem and we can deal with it. I've helped some that have issues with stealing, anger, immorality etc. So there is no fast food counsel.

And if you don't. Apreciate my imput, no qualms , you move on and I move on. You don't have to send insults as your appreciation. Ofcourse the thread deraied into an argument by our bros here that take glory in talking down on another poster. There should be no fight. If they don't agree with me, they should say their own and leave it there. Let's move on. No need of insults or personal attacks .

MERRY CHRISTMAS

1 Corinthians 13:5-7 CEV
Love isn’t selfish or quick tempered. It doesn’t keep a record of wrongs that others do. Love rejoices in the truth, but not in evil. Love is always supportive, loyal, hopeful, and trusting

Just right after I said to someone once “Trust is not just given to you; you earn it,” the Spirit of God interrupted me and said, “No, son, you’re wrong. You don’t earn trust; trust is a gift.” I was surprised because, prior to that time, I thought trust was earned. But here was God saying no man could earn trust. The Lord then guided me through the Scriptures and I saw things I didn’t realize and came to the conclusion that trust was indeed a gift as He had taught me.

No man in himself deserves to be trusted no matter how trustworthy he seems. If you’re honest to yourself, you’ll discover that even you are not totally trustworthy. For example there may have been times when you said you were going to pray for someone, and you didn’t. What if that one’s life for whom you were to pray depended solely on your prayers at that time? But God, nevertheless, has chosen to trust you  with the Gospel (2 Corinthians 5:18).

The Bible says the glorious Gospel of the blessed God has been committed unto our trust (1 Timothy 1:11), not because we earned it but because God chose to trust us to take His message of salvation to the ends of the earth. When I think about this, I’m touched by the love of God. He paid such a price for our salvation by sending His Son to die, and after wards committed the Gospel into the hands of men and women who didn’t deserve to be trusted. Nevertheless He counted us faithful, and entrusted us with the Gospel, why? It’s because trust is a gift!

This is something that friends, co-workers, and spouses need to learn. People don’t qualify for your trust. You trust them because you love them and you expect the best of them. The man who can trust another is greater than the one he trusts, because trust helps him gain a level of faith to make provisions for the errors of others.

Those who can’t trust others are men of small minds. When you begin to see the way God sees, you’ll start  learning to trust people and not rate them according to who they are and what they do (2 Corinthians 5:16), but according to your expectation of them.


Further Study
Luke 22:31-34
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
33And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
34And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

Matthew 16:17-19
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

mikeg:
If I am correct then it follows that all other 'Christian priesthood's' are self proclaimed rather than proclaimed to be so by the word of God.

I'm not aware yhere is any other Christian priesthood, or are you referring to the catholic priesthood. Every Christian priesthood is based on the priesthood of christ.

Jesus is no longer a baby in a manger. He is the resurrected king. What we celebrate in Christmas is not his birth day but his death and resurrection. It's like breaking the communion , we invoke the power of his blood that was offered . The resurrection power. I celebrate Christmas by reaching out to more people for Jesus. And also feeding many poor and giving out gifts the needy.

African champion A.K.A Ultimate commander  was begging for spiritual blessing ahead of his fight with Benjamin Shelton who is a world Champion. Incidentally, Benjamin who is an American had gone to synagogue church for  blessing . Benjamin shelton was seeing charging at commander to come quick for a whipping . The man of God begged ultimate commander to allow him stay clear  of the matter.

The Nigerian guy said he can't allow an American to come and beat him in his motherland. . The American guy said he had been hearing about the nigerian man and thats why he came down. Who knows the outcome of the fight yesterday at the stadium in Lagos?    

http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/sports/63225-Night-Champions-Ultimate-Commander-Battles-Americas-Shelton-Benjamin.html

Enigma:
Look at you confusing yourself! Do YOU agree with your own article that repentance and faith are inseparable?

What kind of repentance are you dealing with ? Is it a repentance unto salvation , or the guilt of wrong doings (works) I ask again if a Muslim man stole or kill and he looks up to heaven and say "God forgive me" has that brought pardon? Is he saved being a Muslim, juju, or any natural man. If you can give an honest answer .Then mystery is solved .

If you do why then did you question the salvation of PRINCE4CHRIST who evidently has faith, who evidently believes?

He did not state categorically his faith. And that's was my first response. I said he should have told us if he is born again or not but just incase he is not, bla bla bla and if he, is bla bla bla. I gave the two options. And I said if he he fulfilled all these things and yet there is still a sin trouble, he should let us know, may be there is something else to deal with , and by that I meant a demonic case , which I may reach him off line. As I have done in some cases here.

We should not just be taking a critical stand unnecessarily . We should understand the perspective and motive of communication.

@enigma.
This is not a CEC Teaching. They are your guys, and they prove your doctrine Of repentance wrong.

This is vastly different than actually ceasing from one's sin to be saved, which is a false gospel.  Pastor Ironside is correct — repentance is simply realizing that one is a guilty, dirty, rotten, hopeless sinner in God's eyes.  This is why we need a Savior.  Thankfully, Jesus paid the price with His own literal precious blood (1st Peter 1:18,19; Hebrews 9:12).
 

Repentance and Faith

Salvation is not a process as some teach. You don't repent and then have faith in the Lord. There are not two steps to salvation; but rather, two parts to just one step. Repentance and faith are inseparable. In the Gospel of John, the word “believe” is mentioned 85-times; but the word “repent” is never mentioned even once. This clearly evidences that the sinner who believes on the Lord for salvation has also repented. 

You can't turn to the Savior for forgiveness of sins without turning your back against sin (not the literal forsaking of the act of sin, but a realization of one's having violated God's holy Law and deserves punishment in Hellfire).

As mentioned, the Bible never mentions turning from sin to be saved. All Biblical references mention turning to the Lord to be forgiven from our sins.
 

The Change Comes AFTER a Person is Saved, NOT before

The internet is plagued with heretics who are teaching that a person must forsake their sinful life to be saved.  2nd Corinthians 5:17 reads, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."  Please notice that a man does NOT become a "new creature" until AFTER he is in Christ (saved).  The change comes after a person is saved; NOT before, but AFTER. 

If a person claims to be a Christian but is living a wicked life, then I would sincerely doubt that person's salvation as well.  However, I am not going to start teaching damnable heresy by saying that sinners must forsake their sins to be saved.  Salvation comes through childlike faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, nothing may be added.  Once a man becomes a new creature in Christ, then he begins to change.

The Raging Battle Over "Repentance"

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -John 3:16

That's not the point deal with the repentance issue in the doctrine of sAlvation

Enigma,
As you go , pls I have a helpful article for you, pls read it.

by David J. Stewart
 

Baptism and Repentance

There is a great misunderstanding about "repentance."  Such verses as Mark 1:4 confuse many people because they do not take into account the rest of the Bible.  Mark 1:4 reads, "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."  By itself, this verse seems like It is teaching baptismal regeneration, but it certainly is NOT. 

This verse is referenced in Acts 11:16, "Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost."  And a few verses later in Acts 11:21 we read, "And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord."  This is Biblical repentance, acknowledging one's guilt of sin and turning to the Lord for forgiveness. 

Please note that NO mention of baptism is found in Acts 11 other than the one reference to John the Baptist in verse 16.  Clearly, baptism was not required for their salvation in Acts 16, just is it has never been required.  John preached the same Gospel of Jesus Christ as we preach today — salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-9).
 

Repentance Unto Life

Again, Biblical repentance is simply TURNING UNTO THE LORD.  Acts 11:18 reads, "When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life."  

Notice that the Bible does NOT call this a repentance from sins.  The "baptism of repentance" in Mark 1:4 is clearly not referring to water baptism; but to the "baptism of repentance."  This is the repentance unto life which can only be found in Christ Jesus.  The Word of God does NOT teach that we must give up our sins to be saved. 

If this were true, then no one could be saved because we are all sinners incapable of ceasing from sin.  Even the best of Christians still commit sin!  Believers shouldn't commit any sins; but the fact of the matter is that we all do.  So how can you tell an unsaved person to give up their sins to be saved? 

As I mentioned, there is a woeful misunderstanding about repentance circulating in our churches today.  Again, Acts 11:21 states, "And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord."  Biblical repentance is TURNING to Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins.  It is a change of mind.  Mark 1:15 proclaims, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."  Notice here that repentance led to believing the gospel — NO mention is made about making a commitment to God or forsaking sins. 

So do believers have a license to sin?  I am saying that a believer's Christian walk has absolutely nothing to do with his salvation.  Lordship Salvationists have a problem with this because they have added works to simple faith in Christ.


Repentance from Sins

There are only a few references in the Bible where the word "repentance" is used with sin.  The Bible usually speaks of "the remission of sins"; but never commands anyone to repent from sins to be saved.  Search the Bible and you will find that "repentance" is almost always mentioned with salvation; but it never tells us that forsaking sins is the way to be saved. 

In Acts 8:22, Simon (a new believer) had said something wrong and Peter sharply rebuked him, "Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee."  Simon ignorantly thought he could buy the power of the Holy Spirit.  Witches are used to buying all sorts of demonic paraphernalia in order to practice their works of darkness.  No doubt, Simon sincerely thought God's power was for sale. 

He was a new convert and needed to be taught the Truth of God's Word.  My point here is that Simon was already a believer.  So the word "repent" in this Scripture is used in an entirely different context than in other Scriptures which speak of salvation.  There is a repentance unto salvation; and then there is another repentance of one's sins AFTER salvation (as we saw with Simon). 

The only thing that we need to repent of to be saved is our unbelief.  Do we have to realize our sinful condition to be saved?  Of course, yes!  But there is not one verse in the entire Bible which requires a person to forsake sin to be saved.  Nor does the Bible give anyone a license to sin.  Every time Jesus forgave someone and healed them, it was AFTERWARDS that He said, go and sin no more.  John 5:14, "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 

Thus, we don't give up our sins to become a Christian; no, rather, we forsake our sins because we are a Christian.  There are no prerequisites or conditions for salvation.  God will save any guilty sinner who trusts upon Jesus Christ for salvation.

I do NOT believe it is inappropriate to apply the parable of the prodigal son to the unsaved who need to come back to their Creator, but technically the Parable is about a believer, a "son."  The parable about the prodigal son applies to the wayward believer who is in need of repentance from sins.   The repentance unto salvation is a ONE-TIME repentance, but the repentance from sins has no limit.  Christians are people, and people are sinners. 

Just as a man cannot be UNBORN physically, neither can he be unborn spiritually.  Once saved, always saved!  For anyone to teach otherwise is to add works to faith alone and corrupt "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2nd Corinthians 11:3,4). 

Once a person is saved, they begin to grow in grace by feeding on the Truth of God's Word (1st Peter 2:2).  As a believer grows in the Truth, he or she realizes that there are changes in their life that need to be made.  God's Holy Spirit works in that person's heart.  Thus, we begin to see the FRUIT of genuine repentance.  A changed life is the FRUIT of genuine repentance; and NOT a prerequisite to salvation or a part of saving-faith.  Proponents of Lordship Salvation place the cart before the horse and have it all backwards.  The change comes as a result of true repentance; not as a means to it.

In Mark 1:4, John the Baptist speaks of ", repentance for the remission of sins"; NOT "repentance of sins."  Acts 20:21 reads, "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."  Notice that Biblical repentance is TOWARD God.  In Acts 11:21 we read, "And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord." 

This is Biblical repentance, turning to the Lord. To turn towards Jesus Christ in faith for salvation is to turn one's back against sin, even though the person may not be willing to forsake sin at the time of salvation.  It is ludicrous for anyone to teach that a lost sinner must give up their sins to be saved.  As we saw with Lot and Samson in the Old Testament, not all believers live for God.

Consider the following quote by the mighty man of God, Dr. Harry Ironside (1876-1951),

"Repentance is the recognition of my sinnership — the owning before God that I am as vile as He has declared me to be in His holy Word."

SOURCE: Except Ye Repent, by Dr. Harry Ironside, chapter 3

This is vastly different than actually ceasing from one's sin to be saved, which is a false gospel.  Pastor Ironside is correct — repentance is simply realizing that one is a guilty, dirty, rotten, hopeless sinner in God's eyes.  This is why we need a Savior.  Thankfully, Jesus paid the price with His own literal precious blood (1st Peter 1:18,19; Hebrews 9:12).
 

Repentance and Faith

Salvation is not a process as some teach. You don't repent and then have faith in the Lord. There are not two steps to salvation; but rather, two parts to just one step. Repentance and faith are inseparable. In the Gospel of John, the word “believe” is mentioned 85-times; but the word “repent” is never mentioned even once. This clearly evidences that the sinner who believes on the Lord for salvation has also repented. 

You can't turn to the Savior for forgiveness of sins without turning your back against sin (not the literal forsaking of the act of sin, but a realization of one's having violated God's holy Law and deserves punishment in Hellfire).

As mentioned, the Bible never mentions turning from sin to be saved. All Biblical references mention turning to the Lord to be forgiven from our sins.
 

The Change Comes AFTER a Person is Saved, NOT before

The internet is plagued with heretics who are teaching that a person must forsake their sinful life to be saved.  2nd Corinthians 5:17 reads, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."  Please notice that a man does NOT become a "new creature" until AFTER he is in Christ (saved).  The change comes after a person is saved; NOT before, but AFTER. 

If a person claims to be a Christian but is living a wicked life, then I would sincerely doubt that person's salvation as well.  However, I am not going to start teaching damnable heresy by saying that sinners must forsake their sins to be saved.  Salvation comes through childlike faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, nothing may be added.  Once a man becomes a new creature in Christ, then he begins to change.

The Raging Battle Over "Repentance"

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -John 3:16

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/Doctrines/repentance.htm

@OLAADEGBU

OLAADEGBU:
Repentance and Faith 
 
"Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:14-15).

There are many passages in the New Testament which indicate that repentance is the key to salvation.  For example, Paul said that he had preached everywhere that they "should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance" (Acts 26:20).  But he also preached that faith in Christ is the way to be saved. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31).  One could cite many verses stressing repentance and many that stress faith.

There can obviously be no real conflict here, though there is a danger in what has been called "easy believism," if repentance is ignored.  Mental assent to certain facts about Christ is not true saving faith.  Nor will it produce salvation for a person merely to be sorry for his sins and change his behaviour if he did not really trust from his heart in the person and work of Christ.

It is not "either/or" but "both/and."  One cannot truly repent (that is "change his mind" about Christ and His work, as well as his own life) without genuinely believing personally that Christ died for his sins and rose again to provide his salvation.  Neither can one have genuine faith in Christ as Son of God and as his own personal Saviour without having his whole life and attitude changed.

It is like two sides of the same coin--repentance on one side, faith on the other.  We can only see one side at a time, but both are real and neither can be there without the other.  The real "formula" for salvation is "repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 20:21).  As Christ Himself preached (see our text): "Repent ye, and believe the gospel." HMM

We must understand  the context in which a passage is written . Repentance for a sinner is not about his "sins". But simply means to turn to christ. Repentance of John the baptist is different . But I jut didn't want to enter that discussion. Nobody says a Christian should be living a life of sin. A christian should live by the word if God. But if he falls into a fault , there's provision for cleansing. If he confess it and forsake it. 

But a man that is not born again has no "sins" to repent of. His repentance is simply to embarace salavation in christ, not by dealing with the outward faults which are only manifestations of the greater root cause of sin inside. Just like mabel illustrated.  You can't be treating headache when the problem is malaria parasite . The headache is only a symptom! Treating it does not make a difference. Confessing "sins" doesn't change a natural man. He has no "SINS" to confess because he is  an embodiment of SIN even if he never did any evil. He is SIN!.

Enigma:
That is your problem/conundrum that you cannot see (and that fuels your arrogance)

If a man is dead and blind, how does the Spirit "open the man up to see the need for a saviour" ---- unless the man is first wakened from the dead, wakened from his death, made alive again in other words born again?

Satan blinds their mind from truth, but through the hearing of the gospel the light of truth revealed his need to be saved. That doesn't grant him salavation automatically , he has to believe and declare that Jesus has become his lord.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

BTW, the OP calls himself PRINCE4CHRIST, yet you suggest he might not be born again because the man says he sins -----

That's not the point ,several people believes that if they are not pagan or Muslim then they are Christian . This is error. A Christian counsellor does not assume. Some people are in churches but not yet born again. What do you say to that? Some are  still  into juju idols and answer christian names. Is a man a Christian by name?   . What of ganjaseed ! Does the name matter. Stop jumping into irrelevance. Simply say "I was wrong , I didn't see it that way"  not dodging dogging and trying to Dragg us off into other matters.

 

whereas Liardon, and Haggard the homosexuals and Oyakhilome the false teacher you will see as "born again" without asking questions?
Do you see the double-standard?

There he goes, the venom is rising  take it easy dude. Jeje. you guys enter abuses when you get boxed in.Pastor chris is one of the most powerful bible expositor in this generation. Ministers from allover the world resort to him. So your little defamation is only inside your pocket dude . 

And talking about Liardon, God has forgiven him according to scriptures . God has forgotten about his sin. The man has done counselling and moved on with his life and ministry. You are now the one in error now , for digging up issue that God has forgiven and forgotten   you may not understand these biblical truth but when you recieve the holyghost, understanding will come to you. you need to know the holy spirit brodo. 

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know[ them], because they are spiritually discerned. 

@enigma

Enigma:
Joagbaje is actually preaching salvation by works without realising it. See the fault in his logic:

I dont agree with you sir .Please prove it to me

- A sinner is a sinner because it is his nature

The errors are only manifestations of the evil nature, this manifestations are lesser than the sin nature itself which is the greater part.  

- That sinner is spiritually dead
- If he is spiritually dead, how then does he become sufficiently awake spiritually to be able to "repent"?

It's the holy spirit that convict the world of sin. A man that is unsaved is dead and blind. But through the word of God , the holy spirit opens a man up to see the need for a saviour. Then he embrace life.

- If it is simply the sinner's repentance (and verbal confession) that make/s him "born again", is that sinner not entitled to boast? Which is exactly what Joagbaje and his ilk do --- boast about their claimed salvation and how they "won" or maybe even "saved" gazillion souls.

For God sake God is excited when a soul comes to salvation .  Angels are rejoicing over salvation Why should I not get excited. for leading many to christ.

Luke 15:10
10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth. 

Again, here the opening poster says he keeps asking the Christian God for forgiveness; Jo says the guy has no business asking the Christian God for forgiveness if he is not "born again"! Question once again: if the guy is asking the Christian God for forgiveness, does he not by so doing acknowledge the Christian God as God?

Don't add " Christian God" just say God. and besides it doesn't even matter. Any body can pray to the christain God. But that doesn't mean God hears him

 

Another question: does Joagbaje really know when a person is "born again" --- when making a person "born again" is an action of God and not of man? Does he know whether the reason the guy considers it necessary to ask the Christian God for forgiveness is because the Spirit of God prompts the guy to do so? Does Joagbaje know whether the Spirit has already "born the guy again" is why the guy is prompted to ask for forgiveness?

It's an operation of the spirit when a man believes in salvation through christ and confess the lordship of Jesus over his life. 

Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 

Looking beyond Joagbaje, a few things to bear in mind:

- Except a person be "born again" . . .
- However, a person cannot "born himself again"; a person cannot make himself born again --- even if he repents.
- It is God that "borns a person again" ----  John 1:13

Yes it's God doing based on the faith exercised by the individual. 

- Repentance after all means, among other things, 'turning back to God'; how can a person turn back to God unless the Spirit of God draws the person? The chap who asks God for forgiveness is already in the beginning throes of repentance and I am certain God will not cast him away --- since God is the one drawing him in the first place!

Muslims call on God , eckist call in God, juju men call on God. A religious natural man call on God. People even go to church and call on God. We have people visiting churches but not born again. They have to be taught by the gospel the way of salvation. Was Saul of tarsus not calling on God?

We can only get to God, Gods own way. Not our personal religious way. It must be by faith in the saving power through the gospel. The gospel of christ is the key.

If you call on the "Christian God" have you believed the gospel and embraced his son as lord ? The only power on planet earth right now is the gospel of christ.

Romans 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 

@Image123

Image123:
And what do you suppose is the 'beginning of this arguement'? Your shamelessness is becoming worrisome. So you go to hide behind the OP instead of addressing issues and the scriptures opened before your eyes. You've been shown that God forgives sinners,

Stop going round I endless circle dear. I feel you have an idea of my point but maybe pride is not allowing you to admit.
Every religion believes In God and they morally ask him for forgiveness from time to time but they don't have access to him because the only access is Jesus christ , that is why they need the gospel,  But if you hastily counsel a man that you don't know , to continue asking God for forgiveness when he sins, when you don't even know his religion or faith. This is a BIG blunder. And my point is , it's only a born again man that has acess to forgiveness. Not a natural man. The only solution for a natural man is to recieve christ. I know some of you when leading a man to christ will tell them to be confessing all their sins . That is nonsense broda. In the first place , he cant remember all his errors . But the truth isHe has no sins to confess.all he needs do is recieve christ. He becomes a brand new creature. Who never had a past as regards sin. He is created afresh in christ Jesus .  

2 Corinthians 5:17 
17 Therefore if any man[ be] in Christ,[ he is] a new creature: old things are[b] passed away;[/b] behold, all things are become new.

If the engine of a car has so many problems beyond repair, and you put a new engine, you dont need to do repair again. A sinner needs a new life. That new life supplants the old. So you need study and understand the doctrine of righteousness. 

and that God will reward every man according to his deed, not just his birth. It's up to you to believe the Word of God above the error you cling to.1John 3v8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

a Christian can leave above sin , that's not our our point. But we still do make mistakes. You have committed a number of sin here. And if I should judge you by your claim here. YOU ARE OF THE DEVIL! Because you father sinneth from the beginning . How does that sound. 

Have you ever committed a sin after you God saved? If you say YES you are a hypocrite like the phariseees. And you're judged by your claim above. But if you say NO . Then you are a BIG fat Liar!  

1 John 1:10
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 

1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 

Apart from the fact that the word exposed your hypocrisy, you are getting very insultive to me and to my pastor , which is uncalled for. I asked you a simple question. "is a man of other faith saved or pardoned just by saying " God forgive me, I rigged election, forgive me , I lied?" does that pardon the man from hell, without being born again. You guys were not man enough to say "yes this Muslim man is pardoned by that lifestyle or "No" he is not pardoned until he receives Jesus as lord. Simple answer to simple question.  But rather youre busy going round and round bending and panel beating. And dodging the direct question because you know that you are hooked in a corner.

The next thing is to now start making derogative statement at my pastor. You that complain I shouldn't call you dude , but now throw insultive words at a man of God . This hypocrisy of yours is alarming. You strain at a gnat but you swallow  a Carmel like most religious people do. You can't intimidate the truth. I will still say it.

But come to think of it, why will you turn a discussion into abuses. As a believer in christ? You claime holiness but display the fruits of uncleanness and filthy tongue.   

I should start a counselling session with you  Image. What happen to the fruits of the spirit? Mr holy?

Colossians 3:8
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

 Ephesians 4:29-30
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

I may not want to discuss with you further , since you display hypocrisy like this , I don't want to engage discussions with carnal minded individuals  on this forum again who are not out for truth and edification but rather create ungodly atmosphere where they can vomit maggots in their lust for evil speakings and corruption out of the inward part.

Thank you.

Image123:
Christ is the base for forgiveness of the sinner.
Acts 13v38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins.
Redemption/remission/forgiveness of sins are obtainable for everyone by the riches of grace. Jesus came to save sinners, Matthew 1 says He came to save His people from their sins. He told Paul that He was sending him to the gentiles that they may receive forgiveness of sins.

Don't let us forget the beginning of this argument. A man says he ask God for forgiveness and he still does wrong. If he indicated he was born again I would have  only counsel him as a Christian. But he didn't say he was born again and it is risky to assume he was , just in case. So I gave him the two options. If he was born again bla bla bla but if he wasn't born again, asking God for forgiveness daily doesn't change anything. You should have read my post with patience before rushing to attack it. Muslims do ask God for forgiveness, a religious man does that too. If you are a soul winner and a Christian counsellor , you must identify these things first, you don't just dole out counsel. Suposing the guy never gave his heart to christ , supposing he is an  or Olumba man. And you assume he was born again. You would counsel error that way by giving him false security. Making him feel saved just because on daily basis he always ask for forgiveness.   

He promised forgiveness for all sins, apart from blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, when He said "Verily" while speaking to the scribes and pharisees. He has power on earth, and in Heaven to forgive sinners. His words seem diametrically opposed to yours. Thank God i follow Him, not you or your pastor. He also said those born of God do not sin, even cannot sin. you say "A SINNER CANNOT COMMIT SIN". It's left to the reader to judge.

The bible didn't say a Christian cannot sin but rather, he does not make practise of sin.The word SINNETH means continuously as a lifestyle . There is difference between falling into a sin and living in sin. It's only a Christian that can sin. An unbeliever has no law to sin against. We have the word of God and the holy spirit . But for an unbeliever. Where there's no law there's no sin. His good conduct doesn't make him better, his bad conduct doesn't make him worse.

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We all agree that we were all sinners by birth, it's funny that's all you're posting scriptures to support.What you don't know is that we are also sinners by deed,

I am not a sinner with you . Jesus didn't die to produce sinners. He made us saints. A Christian may make mistakes . Which he should repent of but that doesn't make his nature sin nature. His nature is righteousness.

. Do you really think christians, juju people,muslims and others are all worshipping and praying to the same God?

They believe they are, and you guys claim God forgives them without being saved. How absurd!.

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What's all these nonsense you've written all at once? 'a sinner cannot commit sin', what utter trash, so what does a sinner do, live holy?

Can a man in a toilet pit get dirtier for sprinkling Sand on him?.  
A man whose spirit is an embodiment of sin can not become sinful because of his conducts. The conducts are only a product of the nature on the inside. A dog does not become one because it barks. It's a dog because it has the nature of dog which makes it bark. It is normal for a dog to bark just as it is normal for a sinner to do bad. It is not the conduct of a sinner that makes him a sinner . But the nature. If he ask for forgiveness . He is still going to hell. If a dog stopp barking , it's still a dog!

An offender cannot offend, what sort of revelation is that? When we come to remind you of your rubbish in a week's time, you'll start asking like a drunk fellow, "where did i say such nonsense"
Luke 7v37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment.

There is a new kind of righteousness now in christ. Don't pour a new wine into an old wine skin! Your mistake is focussing  on the old system to judge the new life.

@InessQor

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Ahn ahn. Even the thought of it is senseless. How can you say God does not forgive sinners?  

What a sinner need is salvation. There is no bases for his forgiveness if he is not born again. The prayer he needs is not  for his "wrong deed" to be forgiven but for him to be born again by receiving christ as lord. Even if he had not done anything bad personally, he is destined to hell still on the account of Adam sin.

Romans 5:12-14
12 Wherefore, as by one man(Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. . .14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 

What is the scriptural backing for this, Joagbaje?

John 3:3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The only access any person has to God is through christ. If a man has not recieved christ as lord. He can't be saved nor be forgiven. The prayer a sinner need to make is not "GOD FORGIVE ME , I LIED YESTERDAY" but rather "I RECIEVE JESUS CHRIST INTO MY HEART AS LORD"

Acts 4:12
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Until a man is saved he has no access into the covenant provision. He is alienated from life, no matter how nice he is as a gentle man. He is a grntlemsn devil without a God!

Ephesians 2:12
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:  

@Enigma

You are busy giving me assignment without direct answer to my question.

Enigma:
Short exercises for you.
Before Jesus' death and resurrection, was it every Jew that obtained salvation ? If not which ones did not and why not?

[Also: before Jesus' death and resurrection, did any person from any other nation apart from Israel obtain salvation? If so, how?

They were still under the law, their sins was according to the law and not according to the gospel. Of course they were forgiven according to the laws of Moses . Forgiveness was available . But I'm talking about now under the new testament. Let's deal with now, under the blood of Jesus.

Today, if a Moslem/Hindu etc offends you and asks for forgiveness, will you forgive them or not; are you required to forgive them or not?

Enigma , you're deviating. You should say "YES or NO"

If they offend the Christian God and ask Him for forgiveness, what is He likely to do?

And my point is, they didn't offend the Christian God. They are sinners by birth until they receive Jesus. Their bad deed is not what makes them sinners. But the sin nature they inherited from Adam.Their bad deed does not make a difference. People ask God for forgiveness ignorantly thinking it makes up for not making a decision for christ. They will still go to hell anyhow. 

A SINNER CANNOT COMMIT SIN.

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Joagbaje
Enigma's post highlighted by InesQor is the GBAM.

WHICH GBAMING IS THAT? HE IS NOT GBAMU ANYTHING!

My question is not addressed directly. My point is, that it's only a born again God forgives. A sinner needs salvation by coming into christ and not by asking God pardon or forgiveness for his, "errors" but If you claim anybody who ask God for forgiveness is pardoned without necessarily being saved. I'm asking you, if for example a Moslem always ask God for forgiveness for a "wrong" evey time is he pardoned ?. Or a juju man Every religion believes in God.

The answer you gave is not direct yes or no.

. A sinner is made right with God by seeking/asking for forgiveness through the right channel. It's a channel of faith in the Messiah's atoning blood. Jesus came to atone/pay for/redeem us from our sins. He came to make an end of transgressions, that's what the blood of animals could not.

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i agree more with Jo on this thread, though not every sentence, 'as is characteristic of him, he has done'. But we seem to be on the 'same inclination' especially on pre.tribulation rapture and on 'prosperity'. It is God's plan that it should be well with us, that well being includes finances, both in no way limited or margined/zoned to it.
Psalm 118v25 Save now, I beseech
thee, O Lord: O Lord, I
beseech thee, send now
prosperity.

This is how you should have responded since. . . .instead, you're busy knocking me on the head.