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Pastor Kun: Thanx for responding to me but you did not explain to us how that seed translate to money.

Paul was only following up on what he had already told them about laying money aside every Sunday service. In chapter 16.

1 Corinthians 16:2 living bible
On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by him in store, in measure as he has done well in business, so that it may not be necessary to get money together when I come.

Send your number to my mail . I will call you

Bayelsa , where is your location

I have go pro hero 3 . How much are you willing to offer

I've study much of aerial photography from America and other places but I've not hear of it in Nigeria . Is there anyone here who is into aerial filming . I do have some drones and quads , let's discuss

There was a curse on coniah . I will get to it as soon as I'm through

Mark Miwerds: scripture doesn't say Abram tithed because of his faith.

Abraham gave tithes to him of faith. It was based on revelation. He saw the man was not ordinary.He represented God .

Hebrews 7:4
Now consider how great this man was — even Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the plunder to him!

Pastor Kun: With reference to the bolded, I put it to you that it is a classic case of scriptural manipulation as there is nowhere in the bible such is taught neither is there any where money is referred to as seed in the bible. If you want to argue otherwise kindly quote scripture in proper context to support your position.

Usually I wouldn't respond to you ,but let me indulge you.

2 Corinthians 9:10
Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness

newmi: I received an sms like I had mentioned earlier but didn't have time to explain . . . I remember it was a Friday and I was observing a fast while I lay down, then my phone beeped and I looked it was an sms bearing the name of my friend so like every regular sms the next thing is open it and read so I wasn't at all ready for what I was to see moments following.
I opened and read, now she had told me of a certain "queen mother" who claimed to be her mother and had raised her in witch craft and the said the "queen mother" told her(my friend) that "...I know your weak point..." so that was more or less like a threat so the sms that I received was along those lines (paraphrase) "... I told you I know her weak point...she is mine...leave her alone..." wow! I had never seen this before so I had to read it again because I needed to be sure this was real I confirmed the contact again because she would not sound like this usually she almost always sounded very polite and respectful especially with the use of "sir" so I was wondering where was this coming from but then I now remembered the conversation we had previously so I just decoded and smiled.
So much to say but so little time to type nonetheless this is a summary recount of my first experience because I had other instance. All praise and glory to God Almighty

So who types the sms and how did the matter eventually end?

ajayikayod: Bro, we were admonished to always explain scriptures wit scriptures becos no scripture stands alone nor contradict the other.

1 Thess 2:18 u quoted is not about spiritual oppressions, its all about persecution.

Says who? Dont add to scriptures . The afflictions of paul is not all about persecution, he could only be persecuted after preaching . But in this case he didn't even get there . He was impeded by the enemy from making the trip. It's not persecution dear.

When Paul talked about his weaknesses or bodily affliction and weaknesses was it persecution. When he fell into the hand of armed robbers was it persecution. Was shipwreck persecution.?

It depends . The fake money thing is wrong. Except you're paying it back to whoever gave you. But other issues . Are relative . It depends . Some people demand Money for their service . Even though the money may be illegal it's a matter of faith and choice . It requires wisdom.
For example a police man accuse you falsely and demand . Money, but you're in a hurry for a service ,function or a programme that is of urgency. Wisdom demands you settle him and go. But you can still fight for your right ,you will win eventually except that . You would have missed your appointment. So it depends on the situation. And individual faith. Jesus paid illegal money .



Matthew 17:24-27
And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? . . . When Peter were come to the house, Jesus saith unto him. . . . lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money:that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


Matthew 5:25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

We give out of our love for God , we are blessed for such act of worship. But in another dimension it's not out of place to expect when we give.

There different kinds of givings. There's what is called seed. When a christian have an expectation and he deliberately sows a seed for a specific harvest this is not wrong. It's the persons demonstration of faith.

ajayikayod: I never told u dt experience is bad but it must align wit d word of God. All Paul experiences u quoted has a place in His Word and for our learning,

Really? so what's the edification and learning in Paul's experience here.

1 Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

So Paul was exalting the devil to be so powerful to hinder a whole apostle! Isn't it? .

ajayikayod: Bro, every christian article relates to every believer, we only need to benchmark it with d Word as d final authority.

I will ask u,which should we hold to, Man experience or d Word of God, especially whn thr are contradictions?

U hav reduced a spiritual question of urs to mere human experience, quoting Shamback, quoting others except d Word of God. If i were u, Bro, i ll back it up wit Paul, Peter.. most of all Jesus. U seems not to hav enough prove from them or u feel u hav a "personal experienc" outside wat they teach?

And what is wrong with expetience ? the apostles documrnted their exoerience . jesus hungry ,jesus cursing a tree, so in what way does cursing a tree glorify God. It's obvious you don't flow flow in the supernatural. You're merely a critic displaying ego And your criticism is unnecessary.

What is edifying is paul and alexander experience .

2 Timothy 4:14
Alexander the coppersmith has done me much harm. The Lord will punish him,

Or his afflictions and sufferings? Why need he pen it down?

2 Corinthians 11:25
Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep

Criticism is very sweet you know, it gives you the holier than thou feeling

ajayikayod: U kno wat amazed me? U talk so big lik casting out devils is sometin dt require special experience or power.
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. The thread is not for everybody. If have experience in casting out devils .you will talk less. Every christian have the power . But there is experience required. Other gifts are required . Discernment etc. don't just come and blow theory. If asked a question about evangelism and my experience with an Alhaji , I expect soul winners to respond. I specified who I want on the thread . Not theologians .

Shamback or smith shared in his book how he came to Africa and ministered to a witch doctor and in the night , satan visited him , heavy wind which flung his bed from on end to the room to the other, when he woke up he commanded the devil to come back and re arange the room . The wind came back in and re aranged the scattered room. That's an experience. If I call ministers who flow in certain grace to share there experience on how they handle their cases . It doesn't involve you. You mustn't read it and if you read you must comment. It's for those who it's related to.

Mark Miwerds: I pointed to Genesis 4 in an attempt to show you that there were other occupations besides farming and herding. Tubalcain was a teacher who taught people how to work with brass. Noah (chapter 6) was a carpenter before the flood Yet no mention of either of these ever paying, or even giving tithes to anyone.

Later chapters in Genesis reveal tentmakers, bakers, butchers, brickmasons, and many other occupations. None of which are said to have paid, or even given, tithes.

None, that is, except Abram, and the farmers and herders of ancient Israel. Who, of course, is never said to have tithed of his own riches.

Of interest, why do you suppose it was only Abram that tithed to Melchizedek? Why not Aner, Eschol, and Mamre who obviously had assisted Abram in the Battle against the rebelling kings?

Did Abram's tithe represent all the people? How does that compare to each individual being required to tithe in the Church today? Only one of those men tithed... and that, not of his own property.

We don't have detail of that. They would if there were high priest in their generation. But abraham is our father of faith who's faith we follow. The revelation of God to him was trusted that he would teach even his household .they followed his faith. He is the father of us all.


Romans 4:16,
. . . but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

christemmbassey: in addition, if they only tithe bc of being decieved, it would av been diferent, but most tithe to buy husbands/wives, children, mansions, cars, jets, positions, peace, love, health, life etc from God. To them, The death of Jesus was nt adequate, Jesus failed, hence their bid to use tithe to purchase what they were unable to get from Christ. My brother, that's, 'profanity', d same thing dat made God to hate Esau. May God av mercy on us.

So when you pray, fast ,worship, or gives alms is it because the blood of Jesus wasnt sufficient or they are kingdom principles .

Demain_man: Jesus said, Except ye are BORN AGAIN and TITHING you will not enter the kingdom of god. MARK 2:3-4
GOMBS/JOAGBAJE Abi I lie?

Yes you lie

@gombs
Now that you have mentioned your church, what of other posters that attention your church , supposing they are 50 in number are the 50 going to post each or your post cover for them us all

ajayikayod: Casting out demons is bread of a believer,

Have you cast one out before? How much experience have you? It's not about talking letters and theory you know. The thread was specifically for those who have experience in such ministration. Not theologians .

ajayikayod: I notice u giv so much credit to satan and demons, elevating them beyond thr abilities. U seems to even compare them to b in same class as God.

Don't try to play the holier than thou card here. This is about narrating an experience not glorifying the devil. When paul narrated his experiences even his challenges and suffering , from false brethren, shipwreck, fighting with beast at Ephesus and how alexander did him much evil .if you were in his day you would have said he was doing self pity.

I called relevant people to contribute . I didn't call those who don't . I didn't expect many post on this thread . My plan was if I dindnt get any response . I leave the matter . But some guys just chose to hijack the thread and on thing is leading to the other.

The people that I mentioned were totally set free . So I wasn't confuse at all on how to handle the devils. Tha SMS thing was just a strange thing . And most experiences are universal that's why I wanted to sample opinion. I only expected at least 2 or three people to share their experience if there need be.

If the devil can tamper with phones and computer , the Holy Ghost can do much more for our Favour . Every christian has power to cast out devils. So no one is glorifying him.

Crixina: does this include people who saw indecency before they went to bed?

There are 3 kinds of dreams. Dream from God, dream from the devil and soiling dream which is a result of your physical, mental or emotional interaction This is different. If you watch horror film there's tendency to see scary things but the problem is that satan do hide behind these things to carry out his work .

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption (

The word "redemption" in our opening verse means "riddance." Riddance is translated from the Greek word "apolutrosis," which refers to being brought out of trouble. Therefore, Christ being our redemption, actually means He’s our deliverance; just like He said in Psalms 50:15,

"…call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me."

It doesn’t matter the trouble you’ve gotten into, Christ is your riddance; He’ll rid you of your troubles.

Proverbs 11:8 says, "The righteous is delivered out of trouble...."

Christ is your ransom. O, how wonderful this is! Read this comforting and assuring words from the Lord Himself in Isaiah 43:2-5:

"When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour. , . Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life. Fear not: for I am with thee. . .

The Lord is obligated to save you. He’ll help you out of any quagmire, not because you prayed hard enough or were good enough, but because you have a ransom in Christ Jesus. He makes up for your errors. Every mistake, every sin, has been laid to His charge.

Sometimes, people look back at their lives and say, "Well, it’s because I made a blunder that this calamity happened to me"; no! You don’t have to wallow in regret any more about your sin, mistakes and errors; understand that Christ has been made your riddance. You don’t have to carry the weight of self-condemnation and guilt. You’ve paid in Christ for all your sins, mistakes, and errors.

Jesus didn’t just take care of your sins at Calvary, He also took care of every single mistake you’d make, including the ones on the job. So when you make a mistake, or get into trouble, be bold to call on Him; He’s not intimidated by your troubles. No wonder the Psalmist said,

"But I will sing of thy power; yea, I will sing aloud of thy mercy in the morning: for thou hast been my defence and refuge in the day of my trouble" (Psalm 59:16).

Demain_man: Ok now, If not tithing will not stop BORN AGAIN from entering the kingdom of GOD then of what use is this your eternal principle? I am only interested in those things that will take me into the KINGDOM of GOD. Why do you people always preach and curse those that don't pay up in your churches?

Maybe I get your point. I guess you misunderstand me. Eternal principle doesn't mean that it will grant you eternal life!.

Principles are spiritual rule or laws in Gods kindom. They transcend dispensations. Tithing is not the only principle . Offering to God is an eternal principle, prayer, worship etc. they are forever. So that's what I mean by eternal principle . Not that it will give a man eternal life.

In your own word why is tithing forever? What are the benefits in the Kingdom of GOD?

Every principle in God is for ever. God never put an end to them. People do by their own greed and rebellion to truth or by their ignorance.

adconline: Can this same spirit credit my bank account with N 1,000,000 since I'm broke? Can this same spirit take money from my account without my authorization?

I didnt want to go into this, but yes? Its spirituslly illegal but it hapoens .I won't go further. But there had been cases of people experiencing missing monies. MONEY DISSAPEARed. . Not stollen By man ,it vanished. It only stopped when they were prayed for. There are cases where someone experiencing spiritual husband thing recieves physical money from that being and spend it. There have been cases where such spirit brings physical clothes to the victim. Marks and spencer product! . Bags of clothes

The only issue is. Satan doesn't give good things that last . He eventually destroy his friends.victims He has no friends

GeneralShepherd: well dear Joagbaje....fallen angels are spirits(if they exist) and thus cannot use mobile phones.

Anyway if you insist that you were sent sms by demons feel free to believe as you deem fit.

I might not know many things but I am categorically certain that no spirit can send sms ( I sound f00lish to myself even contemplating the idea)

I believe a spirit needs to have a physical body before he can have legal right to operate on this planet. But some cases brake that rank. What of the hand that wrote on the wall?

Daniel 5:5
Suddenly, as they were drinking from these cups, they saw the fingers of a man's hand writing on the plaster of the wall opposite the lampstand. The king himself saw the fingers as they wrote.


These are spectacular experiences. If a spiritual could write on a wall and many saw it. What about a hunted house ,where doors are slamming and window, and objects been thrown about by invisible beings.

InesQor: The fall of Satan and 1/3 of the host happened at the foundations of this present world. So do we really believe that they chilled till Noah's day before intermarrying?

It's not one time thing. Maybe I didn't get you

The spirits in the Tartarus jail were recorded in The book of Enoch. Enoch was an ancestor of Noah so how could they be jailed in Tartarus in Enoch's day then be roaming free before Noah, have offspring then the flood and then God jails them again? Haba were they on parole?It makes more clear sense that they were in Tartarus since Enoch and they remain there till today. No prison break, no parole, no bail, no intermission for quick conjugal sex with beautiful girls

The infiltration of demons to earth is not a one time affair. They gave birth to guants called Amakims and Emims . God had to destroy indigenes of promised land because many of them were there. They polluted the human race.

Genesis 6:2-4
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

God preserved the pure line of Noah by destroying human race. But this infiltration happened again even though not recorded. The giants emerged again as a race . God had to order isrealites to kill them. Why was God so much against intermarriage with idolatrous nations.

Deuteronomy 2:10
The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

In the days if David they existed also.

2 Samuel 21:16
Then Ishbi- benob, one of the descendants of the giant, whose bronze spear weighed about eight pounds and who wore new armor, intended to kill David


Sex plays a vital role in satanism . Fornication in the bible days primarily had to do with Idolatry .

The book of revelation makes it clear that the last days the earth will witness again demonic beings in physical form.

InesQor: Haba! Are these indestructible beings still alive today?
Are they the acclaimed keepers of the Illuminati's secrets?

Okay I kid, I kid. But if they are indestructible they must still be physically alive today. They must travel around a lot or else I'm sure their friends, neighbours and their friends' and neighbour's great great grandparents must have noticed.

Their children were destroyed in the flood but . The beings themselves are under arrest and in prison .

GeneralShepherd: well dear Joagbaje....fallen angels are spirits(if they exist) and thus cannot use mobile phones.

Anyway if you insist that you were sent sms by demons feel free to believe as you deem fit.

Thanks but many posts on this thread vindicated me . We read others posters who had similar experience . That was why I asked for those who have experience in casting out devils , because if you have not experienced such ministry some things may look crazy

GeneralShepherd: How did the fallen angels and their offspring survive the flood?

Did they make Noah's ark?

Or were they part of Noah's family?

They were spirit beings ,so they were industructable. They will be judged last day

Genesis 6:1. Living bible
Now a population explosion took place upon the earth. It was at this time that beings from the spirit world looked upon the beautiful earth women and took any they desired to be their wives.

InesQor: Do you have direct or indirect Biblical references I can back this up with? Because Jesus indicated otherwise in Mark 12:25

@GeneralShepherd lol me no sabi illuminati o. (P.S. I think its a bunch of make-believe)

Fallen angels had affairs with women in genesis.

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

InesQor: @Ishilove

I'll agree to disagree but please clarify:

Do you believe these non-corporeal spirit spouses engage in actual copulation with human beings?

Demons do have sex with people. For several reason. Anyone who often have sex in the dreams need to address himself spiritually . It doesn't matter whose face they use. It a spiritual set back , such a person needs to address it in prayer or get some help from experienced Christians or ministers.