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GeneralShepherd: Have you ever seen a spirit? Are spirits physical? How then did they give humans money to spend?

Find out. Can an experience witnessed by many people be denied? Have you not heard of blood money through human sacrifice .How does the money come?

How come these spirits only choose to manifest in Nigeria and Africa?

Don't just sit in front a computer holding to your opinion. Click the buttons and see these are universal occurrences . I have cast devils out of people over the phone in United States . And other countries . This is not an African issue . Demons have been on the earth before humans . And there' are thousands of demons to one human person .

nlMediator: Ha ha! I think our brother chose not to respond partly because he realizes that while the people Jesus ministered to were not christians before He died, after His resurrection many of them became christians. The Bible says that Jesus was with these people for weeks upon weeks teaching them about the Kingdom of God. Yet, during that period, there is no record of Him healing any of them. To demonstrate that Jesus believes that christians can be sick, the Bible should have included instances of christians falling sick - even if its common cold or fever - while Jesus was still on earth with the early christians. But we see no such record. Ergo, following our brother's logic, Jesus does not believe christians can be sick (just as our brother does not believe christians can be demonized because [he believes] there's no reference to christians being demonized in the Bible).

I got the point now.

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kambo: Fact is the bible addresses every area of a christians life including giving. The principles a christian has to employ to see results - financially and materially but

Giving and receiving is a principle. If a man give to God ,he is not at a loss. We live by our giving. Jesus taught on giving ,likewise Paul.

yellowpawpaw: The wife of Ash was invited to my church for a programme one time at Dunamis Abuja. After preaching, she told pple to tap into the blessing of what she preached by coming out to give offering and the bigger the offering the bigger the blessing.

Was the money for her? Did she ask them to give into her account?

Pple were very reluctant to go and drop money at the alter, very few went anyway.

And did she go away with the money on the altar.

GeneralShepherd: How many times will I say this,it is MADNESS to say supernatural being can send sms or email!!!!
Absolutely ludicrous

It doesn't matter how many times you say it. Experience which are based on facts by 3 or more people cannot be denied .

rodeo0070: Seriously, If a member of your Church* says he/she's Gay/Lesbian or you get to know that he or she is Gay/Lesbian, How would you feel?
What would be your reaction.

We shall cast the DEMON out of him ni.

nlMediator: Excellent points. I think this presents the relationship between the law and grace in a clearer manner than many.

Two quick points, though. Another major problem with the law - apart from the fact that it cannot justify anyone - is that the law provides a universal method for God's dealing. . . A law written in the heart is much better.

Of course but the conscience of man was corrupt. "They know not, they understand not"

The other point is that when Paul said that he would not have recognized sin unless he found it through the law, he was speaking for himself and maybe some others,

Men had unwritten law in the conscience . Sin existed But God didn't hold sin against them until the law was written.

Romans 5:13
(For until the law sin was in the world:but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

I'm not advocating law for saints. I'm only addressing the extreme many revelators go to condemn the content in the law. We are not bound by the law just as we are not build by 1951 constitution. But principles revealed in the law are not bad in themselves. Just as murder was condemned in the 1951 constitution. It's still an evelastiin principle . So if I do something which is consistent with principle in the law. I am not doing it because the law say so. But because it's a principle. The law only serves as reference point .

Some ministers RECIEVE specific instruction or calling to make materials free for people . It's their personal calling. And God who call them gave them partners to sponsor the publications. But not every man have such grace ,and you can't judge peter for collecting money just because paul did not.

fr_evangel: A "renowned" pastor said Jesus is the "product"

Another popular pastor here in Nigeria is teaching Church leaders and pastors how to "package" the gospel..

Of course the world is about buying and selling. It's not about money . Can you sell salvation with money. We buy into idea . You sell idea . The use of the word sale does not mean money. The world is packaging satanic things excellently . Cartoons on tv , Movies etc why won't we package the gospel excellently. Every advancement of technology should be used for God.

I'm really not after these ministers on this thread, I'm trying to encourage those who God called and gave assignment to preach the gospel like myself. I know there are many genuine preachers out there.

I encourage preachers and evangelists not to allow the crave for fame, power and money to take over their desire for the propagation of the gospel.

You can't judge a mans intention. It's God that sees that. Leave judgement to God. If there's any material that should have been free it should have been the Bible ,but since we buy and sell the bible , it's hipypocritical to condemn any sale of christian materials. We should rather support it. Im not so patient in reading . I'm more into audio books. I commend those who produce them . If all Christians MATERISLS will be in audio format ,I will gladly but them and give glory to God for such innovation.

fr_evangel: The scripture is self explanatory: Don't exchange the message for monetary gains!

This is your own addition. Jesus was talking about selling healing and miracles.

Consider the story of Naaman the army general and Elisha the prophet in 2 King 5:1-19;
In verse 15 and 16 we see clearly how the prophet of God refused an exchange for the "gospel".

What gospel did he preach. Why are you being manipulative here? Besides nothing is wrong with receiving gift except if the giver has evil Herat or motive. Paul refuse to take money from Corinthians because of their carnality. But he took from other churches.Jesus also took money from people he healed. And That's different from selling of materials and books. There different between a pastor as a preacher and a pastor as a publisher. If you publish a book , you ought to sell it. Or get sponsors to make it free. Does it not cost money to print.

brilapluz: @brother joagbaje,pls permit me 2 correct d bolded statement below



Ananias never robbed God but lied about what he presented b4 d apostles..even peter told him dat he had a right to the amount he gave.

Thanks I agree with you. But they still robbed God anyway .you know that for the fact that they made such a vow that has automatically made the property Gods own. If they had escaped PETER judgement they would still be held accountable over the vow. The land and the full money already belonged to God by their vow .

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Zikkyy: Joagbaje, you did not mention that there is a hidden clause o!

......but you can only access this blessing after paying your tithe, first fruit and sowing seeds

Your blessings already locked up in a vault (with your name on it) in heaven and the passwords to the vault reads t-i-t-h-e

I appreciate you ability to complete it. There's no hidden clause to God blessing us. The blessing is in our accounts But we must sign our checks and withdraw by faith action

it's Not just in tithe , there are several act of faith that cause different graces to abound for us to lay hold on our inheritance .

Why do you pray? Why can't God just do things for you? See what I mean. Why do you study? Because knowledge of the word carries its own grace

Acts 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

It seems those churches are funded by government. Or they are state churches. So pumping money to a church without congregation seem to be the issue here

popson123: that the Church of Denmark spends its resources most effectively. No one is served by empty churches.". . . .

It is particularly expensive to operate churches in smaller parishes with less than 200 members of [i]the Church of Denmar[/i]k

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nlMediator: Can you show me ONE christian in scripture that Jesus in His earthly walk healed of sickness and disease. If you cannot find one, it means that Jesus does not believe christians can be sick.

Christians were not yet born that time

@op

If you're not a christian why should it bother you? If you had asked questions , he would have explained himself based on his scriptural knowledge. And If you feel the man is wrong you should use scriptural knowledge to disprove it.

italo: One denomination proclaims that masturbation is okay; the other says it is a sin.

Are they both right? Is this one faith? Isnt this division from the devil?

Self service is a bad habit .No denomination says it's ok .I'm only hearing it from you.

It's no sin, it's demonic especially if it happens from time to time.

italo: Christians today have deviated from the one faith one baptism talked about in that verse.

We now have 1billion faiths. Thanks to those who insist on doing their own thing.

There is no deviation from one baptism .There were different doctrines and understanding even in the bible days and among apostles

Romans 14:5-7
One man esteemeth one day above another:another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

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. . . .Therefore, let no man glory in men. For all things are yours
1 Corinthians 3:21

How wonderful the Lord is! He doesn’t withhold any good thing from us. The truth is, He’s given us everything. Ephesians 1:3 says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." He’s already blessed us. God isn’t going to give you anything more than He’s already given you in Christ.

Think about it: He’s given you the Spirit without measure; there couldn’t be anything better than that! John 3:34 says,

"For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."

Then, in John 20:21, the Lord Jesus said to the disciples, just before He ascended into heaven

, "...as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you" (John 20:21)

. This means that Jesus has sent us the same way He was sent of the Father; and He’s given us the Spirit without measure also (Acts 2:4). This is so awesome. You don’t need to look out anymore, craving "more" blessings from God, having already received the fullness of the Spirit. You have everything in Him.

When we talk about walking in the fullness of His blessings, it doesn’t refer to God giving you more; because He’s already given you all there is. However, as you follow the principles of God’s Word, you enter into greater levels of what He’s already made available to you; not that God will make any effort to give you something more.

He already gave us everything that is necessary for life and godliness: "According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue" (2 Peter 1:3). Observe that it says, "through the knowledge" (Greek: epignosis) of Him"; that means full and accurate knowledge of God. The more we know Him, the more we enjoy that which we know about Him. It’s important that you get to know Him through the Word, and know all that He’s already made available to you in Christ to enjoy them.

It's not Gods responsibility, he has paid the price to save all from hell. It's man stubbornness that will take them to hell.

2 Peter 3:9
; but is longsuffering to us- ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It is us Christians God is counting on, to bring the knowledge of the salvation to sinners.

It's been so from bible days. A day will come we will all come into the perfect knowledge of truth. We may have different levels of understanding but that should not stop us from accepting one another. As long as we beilev in the basic truth. One ,God ,one baptism ,one Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Based on this , we should focus on our assignment and stop judging or criticizing another. Pray for one another , perfection will take place in the body

What is work out ? We go to the gym to develop our God given muscles etc. God has blessed us with everything in christ. But you must work it out by knowledge, by faith, and by acting it out.

ajayikayod: The devil cant do anything with out engaging human

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Really, what about the case of someone his who's money supernaturally disappear on regular basis. What about miscarriages? Or infertility. Yet medically sound. Until such one is ministered to , some times the demons speak through them and confirm he is responsible for the missing money or miscarriages . And when the devil is cast out. The missing business money stops . Fruit of the womb manifest. These affliction has no human agent involved . Let's leave theory. Instead arguing I will suggest you find out.move away from what you have been taught. Demonic activities are real. You can't be of much help to Gods people if you don't have proper information. Many mental illness are demonic. You may counsel a person. But it takes knowledge and experience to be able to discern which spirit you're dealing with. Many habits by Christians are demonic. Counselling can't solve it. They need help.

ajayikayod: But casting out demons from a believer? Its a big joke.

Casting devils from sinners makes no sense. It's like telling them to as for forgiveness when their spirt in yet a new creation. It Christians I cast devils from. Christians do have demons dear. Especially the ones that don't believe in their existence and activities. Nice home to hide for them.

And u on ds Paul's thorn? U surely hav refused to without a religious glass. I posted many other scriptures for u whr THORN IN D FLESH WAS USED and they all shows oppositions, not sickness in d body.

Does paul not have sickness in his body? Paul affliction include sickness ,persecution,hardship etc. the Greek word for infirmities ,refers to bodily weakness and desease.

2 Corinth 12: 7-10
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Pls o, who gave d thorn to Paul?

You Tell us .

Does God now collude wit satan to thorn our flesh in other to correct us now (to humble Paul)? Becos clearly d result of such thorns was d fact dt he was abased.

8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. (God is now in d business of refusing to heal sicknesses caused by demons)?
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You should answer the questions because that's not what the bible says. It's like God gave Adam everything to eat and he says "don't eat this one" .

God didn't give paul sickness, he deals with individual in peculiar way. There's chastisement of God, God grace took care of many things in our lives even when we don't pray. But God didn't prevent this afflictions of paul, for reasons known to him. Paul knew who is behind his ordeal . "Angel of satan" the bible is clear enough. It's simply like the case of a healing minister who couldn't heal himself in a particular infirmities. There. Re healing minister with eye defect . Why didn't God heal them. He knows the pride of each mans heart. He knows how to make a man stay humble. There's also a chastisement of The Lord. He didn't collude with satan. But he didn't prevent the devil. As he would have in many cases. There are several protections of God we experience , satanic attacks that were repelled ,accidents we survive . We can't attribute them to our faith. But. Gid knows a mans pride . He may allow it for a reason.

We should all love sickness then since it brings humility

Go ahead if you're like paul

Bro d interpretation u presented requires a recheck from u.

Now you blame a bible version?

. But u are casting out demons from believers, Abi?

Regularly ,and the results are mighty, healings ,prosperity,fruit of the womb etc.

The devil cant do anything with out engaging human and his greatest opposition is towards d gospel. I hav said ds over ten times here, persecutions, oppositions, hard ship caused by men (unbelievers - subject to d influence of satan) ar d only things standing against believers (not inside believers),

There's external and internal attack of satan . There's difference between demonic oppression ,obsession and possession

Engaging in casting out demons from a believer is a derivatives of saying d HolySpirit does lives in him, or they share apartment?

A christian can't be possessed by a demon. Because possession takes place in the human spirit. The spirit of a christian is created by God. Satan can't dwell there. But the body can be inhabited , the soul can be inhabited . Let me ask you a question. If a christian goes to have sex with a demonic person won't he get Demonised?

1 Corinthians 6:16
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Persecutions, oppositions to d Faith. Jesus didnt take away dt. Demonic attack, Jesus spoilt dt completely for us.

There's is libel aspect of salvation and there is vital aspect. The legal aspect is what christ paid for but the vital aspect is your taking advantage by faith on what christ paid for. By knowledge and faith. That's why we pray. Is every christian rich? Yes ,is every christian enjoying riches ? No. Is every christian healed by his stripe? Yes. Is every christian vitally living in health ? No. Hope you get my point.

TALKING ABOUT A DEMON POSSESSED BELIEVER IS GLORIFYING SATAN IN DISGUISE.

Christians don't get possessed. He can be oppressed due to attack of the devil, in his finance,health ,marriage etc. but not possessed. His spirit is created by God , satan can't enter it, except the man commits the unpardonable sin

U even said Paul self-pity himself, by besoughting from d Lord? U cant really mean dt.

I'm talking about other experiences of paul. He complained ,nagged, etc. compared himself with other apostles , " the more I love,the less I be loved etc. that's experience. And his complain is the human side of him. It's not every thing he said that were I pried if God. He even quarreled with his companion. These are experiences .

ajayikayod: All,

I was tired yesterday after attending to a lot of things after church service dt i felt i should get someone to drive me home. Then i remembered NL thread: If demons can send sms, then i can command one of them wit authority to drive me home. I checked around and unfortunately thr was none to call becos i m only surrounded by believers who easily volunteer to drive.

U kno wat i m workin on now? How to use ds demons as physical slaves sinc they can toy wit phones. Use them for sometin lik; go wash my car; pick dt call for me; hey u (mayb call d name) start d Gen, light is out, how about tellin one to develop a website for me? That website will b cool.

I ll share d experience here soon to all.

They like people like you.

Kabieosi: @Joagbaje

Awww . . . how cute, your show of naivety is touching

C'est la vie, some people get kicks sponsoring it or doing the hacking and for no particular purpose than just for fancy.

They enjoy seeing squirming or racking their brains wondering how did it happen

and making spectacles of themselves blaming demons

People used to blame the devil for all and everything, now it gone so low, it is demons to blame for SMS

Try read the label on the door . The thread is not for everybody . But for those who have experience in casting devils out. Thanks for dropping in .Just gently close the door behind you .