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ajayikayod: Bro, u didnt hav any point to b responded to. Paul fed ppl almost every whr he went, becos business doesnt bring reasonable output now will b termed as set back by u,

Not by me, by paul . Read

2 Corinthians 12:10
. . .I am well pleased and take pleasure in infirmities, insults, hardships, persecutions, perplexities and distresses; for when I am weak [ in human strength], then am I [truly] strong .

Who did paul attribute these hardship and afflictions to? Economy? Or the demon.

hence come for deliverance.

I i never use the term deliverance. It's just your manipulation.

Wat many dont understand is dt d highest level of oppositions to d gospel or believers is not demons, its humans

Which scripture did you get that from dude . So your adversary is flesh and blood . I'm sure you got it from this scripture ;

Ephesians 6:12
For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but against persons without bodies-- the evil rulers of the unseen world, those mighty satanic beings and great evil princes of darkness who rule this world; and against huge numbers of wicked spirits in the spirit world.

I think i hav informed u about ds Paul afflicted in d body. i cant help beyond presenting God's Word.

On Paul's experiences. Was his experience aligned wit wat was presented in d scriptures? Yes. Did his experience align wit wat Christ preached? Yes? Bro, sharing experiences is not a crime but must be benchmark by d Word,

What is the word?

"I did more work than they'
" I suffered ship wreck"
"I suffered hardship'
"Alexander did me evil' God will punish him'

Its well documented dt all u guys hav presented on ds thread is about experiences (a woman was, a girl did, man of God did...) which whn compared to d Word were found wanting. If d scriptures can tell us to judge prophesies (inspired word and rev) how much more human experiences.

You're shifting ground gradually I thought you said talking about demonic activity is giving glory to satan. ,so all Paul's complain are ok? His self pity also is the word. But if it's me it's glory to the devil ?

Kabieosi: @Joagbaje

Look at you! Digging yourself a deeper hole

Shaking my head

So who is sponsoring or doing the hacking ?and for what purpose. You're the one in the hole dear.

Kabieosi: Joagbaje

What are you like?

Are you this thick or merely faking ignorance?

Your phone was hacked - to make it plain and simple.

You can wallow in your idiosyncrasy and self delusion

Hacked by a local girl who can even afford credit ? An iPhone for that matter . You are wonderful.

Bidam: .

Demons can oppress the body of individuals..case example was the scripture i gave you on Paul which you deliberately ignored.

Ask him o
Not only individuals experience demonic oppression . Christians do. Christians have even died from satanic attack.

My questions which are begging for your answers are:Do you agree that sickness is of the devil? Do you also agree that Christians can be sick?

Paul had obvious health situation . Timothy was sick not once not twice .

Kabieosi: https://www.tribune.com.ng/news2013/images/blue-bugging1_350.gif

Abeggy stop this derision

The level of gullibility displayed here so far, SMH, is astounding, mschew

With this ability to believe too quickly and therefore be easily deceived,

we should be expecting to read about demons wiping shi't off butts next, SMH

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It was developed after the onset of bluejacking and bluesnarfing.

Bluejacking, also known as Bluespamming, sends anonymous text messages or business cards to other Bluetooth devices within range of the attacker

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Bluebugging was developed by the German researcher Martin Herfurt in 2004, one year after the advent of bluejacking.

Initially a threat against laptops with Bluetooth capability, it later targeted mobile phones and PDAs.

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I don't really see the purpose of this nonsense you're posting. The person in question is not advance in technology . The phone is not bluthoot enabled. You can't have conversation with bulk SMS .

ajayikayod: Bro, read wat u wrote urself, Is hindrances & opposition demonic possession or oppressions on Paul or his body?

Seems you have run out of options . Why not respond to the points I made to your post

I didn't say paul was possessed. But he had obvious setbacks caused by this demon. In his body , in his finance, in hazards and persecution.

And let's not forget the reason for Pauls reference was the holier than thou attitude you exhibited as though talking about a demonic encounter or an experience in ministry is giving glory to Satan.

The point was to show how wrong you are because Paul penned down his own experience and encounters with the enemy . He is well informed about devils , their operations and how to handle them. I never said paul was possessed .

Criticism can be sweet.

Pastor Kun: By quoting my post I would have expected you to comment on the obvious twist Joagbaje made their being the issue I was addressing.

There wasn't twist . The collection lasted more than one year affair .

2 Corinthians 9:1-2
For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you: For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.

Can you ever admit your are wrong ? It's pride.

Pastor Kun: Haba bros the other passage is 2 Corinthians 9:10 and second Corinthians was definitely written years after first Corinthians. So how could he possibly be following up on what he was yet to tell them

It was the same collection for the saints in Judaea or Jerusalem .

nlMediator: Money is referred to as seed, as that Scripture clearly shows. It would have been a valid point to say that not all reference to seed in the Bible applies to money. I believe that's one mistake we often make.

I agree . I was only answering a question.

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ajayikayod: Bro, u really are not reading all i wrote or possibly reading wit defensive goggle. I will lov u to do a thorough study on 1 Corith 12 without a mindset.

There's nothing like that . I like to deal with points for time sake. It's not by lengthy post except its necessary.

22, For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you.

Which cause? verse 20 and 21 giv u d answer. I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named.

This is a different thing. He just talked about busy schedules. Not satsnic hinderance. It's different from his expression here

1 Thessalonians 2:18
So we wanted to come to you — even I, Paul, time and again — but Satan hindered us.

Can i ask u, wat exactly did Christ saved us from? wat actually is d origin of devil tormenting man. Do u agree dt salvation and newbirth are total (new created spirit, born of God).

Yes I agree . That's legally but vital experience of what christ has done is based on individual revelation and faith.

Lastly, falling into criminals' hands, having shipwreck, having flat tyre whn going on mission, raining heavily whn set for crusade can all b hindrances

Now you're talking. And what spirit is behind those hinderances? Paul had a demonic being Assigned to him by satan to afflict him and cause him hinderances. It was demonic .

2 Corinthians 12:7-9
. . .there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. . .

. . .raining heavily whn set for crusade can all b hindrances but never ever call for deliverance show

So who is calling for deliverance show. I didn't even use the term DELIVERANCE to start with. Stop talking funny.

because a believer has overcome already. In fact d wreck described by Paul, he had a foreknowledge of it, he was never in darkness.

That was only one spectacular instance, he had many shipwrecks . That demon was responsible.

2 Corinthians 11:25-27
. Three times I was shipwrecked. I have spent a night and a day in the open sea. On frequent journeys, I faced dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my own people, dangers from the Gentiles, dangers in the city, dangers in the open country, dangers on the sea, and dangers among false brothers; labor and hardship, many sleepless nights, hunger and thirst, often without food, cold, and lacking clothing. .

Come to think of it , Were these not experiences , why not criticize paul for sharing these?

Bro, we also are not in it. We ar always aware, nothing take us by surprise or by chance, children of light (no darkness in or around us), light of the world Bro, The greater one lives in us. As he is (complete, justified, glorified, righteous, delivered, triumphant), so ar we in ds world (1 John 4:17).

Humble yourself bro. "We know all things" is different from " we know everything" and it's different from "we know it all" as much as the Holy Spirit shows us things to come, we see in parts . Even Jesus was taken by suprise. Many times ,

newmi: message you sent me so I was simply replying then with a gesture I showed her the message but she was shocked and bewildered and she couldn't remember sending such message at all even she herself couldn't believe it and that same day we dismissed with a prayer because in the course of these events she had been attacked with an illness and she was fine.

The message you showed her was it from her phone or yours? And also was that strange message you recieve still in her own phone,

Alwaystrue: The law is holy, just and good - Romans 7:12.
Romans 8:7-8 says a carnal mind is not subject to the law of God. As long as the law of God is seen with carnal eyes and the flesh, it will minister death to the carnal and fleshly.

Indeed, Jesus is the end of the law FOR righteousness TO them that BELIEVE....Believe the whole testament of Jesus. This was further seen when Jesus said the law and the prophets were until John....the reality of which was seen on the mount of transfiguration when God said this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, HEAR YE HIM!
Amen.

The point of the thread is ,even though we are not bound by the law, yet the law contain principles that are right . The only weakness of the law is that it lack the power to make a man righteous. But it contain principles that are still relevant.

@op
You know there's God , you're just pissed with many things. God is not punishing any person. God didn't kill anybody's child. God gave us a beautiful life which satan tried to destroy through the sin of Adam which brought sickness and suffering upon man kind. God still made back up plan to rescue man. He gave us choice to make . Follow this part if you want to live. But if you don't , there's pain on that part. God is not responsible for evil in the world. Man is.

He sent Jesus to be mans substitute. All you need is faith in christ and receive the free gift. Then you can be a master and champion. God tried . You should rather ask questions to have clarification about God . Because you've not known him yet. There's witness in your conscience there's a supreme being that is behind the engine called universe .

Mark Miwerds: artificers of brass, tentmakers, butchers, bakers, carpenters, stonemasons; these are but a few of the occupations that were in ancient Israel. They were not all farmers, herders and fishermen.

By the way, fisherment were not required to tithe either. Their increase was from the sea.

Every income earners give tithes . Why would God make some people pay and other business men not pay

If you believe in the bible ,you should Belive in such existence, if you don't believe in the bible I don't need to reply you

Enigma: Nah, Jo! satan is not fighting tithing at all; he is very much for it as it helps his evil and opposition to Jesus. When people focus so much on tithes, they don't focus on what Jesus asked them to do or even more generally what they are supposed to do

It is critics who make issues out of tithing . Feeling they have special revelation . Churches don't major on tithes . At least in our ministry we teach the whole counsel . Our emphasis is on the new creature life, Dominion over sickness and death , evangelism (great commission ) , prayer , speaking tongues , healing , casting devils , winning in life, submission to husband , loving your wife, academic success, doing your job with excellence , doing your business with integrity , studying bible etc . Tithes is minor issue . It's only on Nairaland I'm seeing big issue on tithe. Which is the smallest part of giving.

. Even your Matthew 23:23 is an example -- and of course you see Jesus say woe to ---- the tithers!

Jesus said woe to those who neglect other principles not those who tithed. He actually encouraged the tithing an a normal thing but not at the expense of alms and justice , we must do all[/quote]

Ah, so today people are not neglecting the poor? So God is no longer addressing "it"? God's focus is now "tithes"?

I'm not saying so. As I said earlier we must do the whole counsel of God. We give individually to poor it's a principle

People who don't remember the poor will struggle .

Proverbs 21:13
Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor,
he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.

Proverbs 19:17
He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord;
and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
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Apart from the individual charity , churches Aldo have organized structure to reach less privileged.

Yeah you may be right --- to an extent. Imagine a Church that gives a whole 1 million naira to buy rice and things for the poor --- only for us to learn that the church took in 50 million naira in tithes and offering in the same period!

It's assumption . Church money is not for Mr Pastor. Pastors live a life of giving . We should deal with specific cases. Ministry is of the holyghost . If Ananias could die for robbing God, can a pastor survive it?

Even secular organisations do similar things; some call it 'corporate social responsibility'.

Church may do charity work ,but the primary work of the church is building the saint for ministry. Charity is the responsibility of every child of God.

Enigma: Nah, Jo! satan is not fighting tithing at all; he is very much for it as it helps his evil and opposition to Jesus. When people focus so much on tithes, they don't focus on what Jesus asked them to do or even more generally what they are supposed to do

It is critics who make issues out of tithing . Feeling they have special revelation . Churches don't major on tithes . At least in our ministry we teach the whole counsel . Our emphasis is on the new creature life, Dominion over sickness and death , evangelism (great commission ) etc . Tithes is minor issue . It's only on Nairaland I'm seeing big issue on tithe. Which is the smallest part of giving.

. Even your Matthew 23:23 is an example -- and of course you see Jesus say woe to ---- the tithers!

Jesus said woe to those who neglect other principles not those who tithed. He actually encouraged the tithing an a normal thing but not at the expense of alms and justice , we must do all[/quote]

Ah, so today people are not neglecting the poor? So God is no longer addressing "it"? God's focus is now "tithes"?

I'm not saying so. As I said earlier we must do the whole counsel of God. We give individually to poor it's a principle

People who don't remember the poor will struggle .

Proverbs 21:13
Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor,
he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.

Proverbs 19:17
He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord;
and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
.

Apart from the individual charity , churches Aldo have organized structure to reach less privileged.

Yeah you may be right --- to an extent. Imagine a Church that gives a whole 1 million naira to buy rice and things for the poor --- only for us to learn that the church took in 50 million naira in tithes and offering in the same period!

It's assumption . Church money is not for Mr Pastor. Pastors live a life of giving . We should deal with specific cases. Ministry is of the holyghost . If Ananias could die for robbing God, can a pastor survive it?

Even secular organisations do similar things; some call it 'corporate social responsibility'.

Church may do charity work ,but the primary work of the church is souk winning. Charity is the responsibility of every child of God.

Logicboy03: You think that I'm Jim Iyke

Doubted too. Watch his video on YouTube

Pastor Kun: Keep deceiving yourself Ole

Is it Olè or òle. You didn't put the àmì ohùn

Logicboy03: Tithes?

Billions believe ,besides God doesn't need your tithe , he needs your soul .

Texting demons?
Surely, you must know that only your flock buys that crap?

Firstly , others confirm such experience .even if they don't , the SMS are still in my phone .

If you come to me I will get some DEMONS out of you. I can see them already. You don't have to believe . Until you watch your own video as see the display. It will answer you psychological , psychomodiki, psychobombombom questions you have.

Logicboy03: -the myth tellers (misinformers)- Olaadegbu, Joagbaje etc
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What misinformation ?

Enigma: Now, I think we are entitled to ask how our brothers have never seen an "eternal principle" in respect of giving to the poor especially when we place Mark 10 21 in the context of the important passage in Matthew 25.

Alright, if our brothers say that they also see an "eternal principle" in respect of giving to the poor, we will then ask:

1. Why is it that giving to the poor is not preached as vehemently and vociferously as tithing?

Tithing is what Satan is fighting so hard . Everybody almost have the culture of giving to the poor . We are very kind to strangers and poor especially in Africa .

In the days of Jesus , people neglected the poor , and God had to address it.

Churches do preach about helping the poor and churches do have Programmes just to reach out to the less privilege . Critics don't really see that.

Enigmata on rampage

Demain_man: Why? Ok, I get it. Let us remove the quoted verse.

Jesus said, Except ye are BORN AGAIN and TITHING you will not enter the kingdom of GOD

GOMBS/JOAGBAJE Abi I lie?

Thou sayeth

Alwaystrue: Hebrews 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The Old Convenant took effect on the Israelites ONLY AFTER the sacrifice of blood. But before the convenant took effect.

That is why scriptures says: Jesus is the end of the law FOR righteousness to them that believe (Romans 10:4)
because the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us when we walk in the Spirit (Romans 8:3-4) and you believe in Christ by believing His words (John 5:24) as well as the finished work on the cross. (John 19:30)

The boldest part is true . Christ is the end of the law to righteousness . The key word there is RIGJTEOUSNESS. That doesn't mean The law is not good.

Enigma: As you know the vagabond means one Pastor Chris or as you people write, Pastor Christ.

Jealousy? . He can't be a vagabond because in Gods kingdom you're either leading being in authority or being led by submitting to leadership.

If you're neither leading or being led you're a vagabond .so you judge pastor chris christ you're so jealous about is leading Gods people.

Enigma: But the above is also true of the vagabond isn't it?

Youre right they are spiritual vagabonds having no church

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God2man: I am very sad about this forum. I registered 2011, if i am not mistaken, there are over 100 threads on only one topic, TITHE,

It only shows there's something special to God about tithing . If not satan will not fight it so hard. Just as judas fought over the perfume on Jesus claiming he was fighting for the poor.

it is disheartening with the way they called old men of God that are old enough to be their fathers , thieves, fraudster, and that they are teaching nonsense, the Bible says, we should respect elders, there is no courtesy,

You are right , by their fruits you know them . Their problem is not tithe but rather a relationship with the holy spirt. It will tame the tongue. Truth is spoken in love.

2 Timothy 2:24-25
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

a good christian must have the fruit of the spirit, up till now, i keep asking, are they Christians or Atheist? Because a good christian will not call old men of God thieves, it is not possibe

It's a sign of the last days . How many of them are under any pastoral leadership .as I keep saying their problem is beyond tithe . It's a spirit of rebellion .

Jude 1:8-10
Yet these false teachers carelessly go right on living their evil, immoral lives, degrading their bodies and laughing at those in authority over them, even scoffing at the Glorious Ones. Yet Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, when he was arguing with Satan about Moses 'body, did not dare to accuse even Satan, or jeer at him, but simply said, "The Lord rebuke you." But these men mock and curse at anything they do not understand, and like animals, they do whatever they feel like, thereby ruining their souls.

Christian have many disagreement over many issues , you don't have to insult people because you don't agree with them. That's satanic.

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oludebby90: Well written,am so in support @op...everybody shud do according to hs faith n belief n nt try confusing odas.

That has always been my admonition over the years . Everyone should work with his conviction . Don't insult others for their belief. As long as they have bible reason . Leave every man to God.

Romans 14:5-6
One man esteemeth one day above another:another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

ajayikayod: Bro, u really are not reading all i wrote or possibly reading wit defensive goggle. I will lov u to do a thorough study on 1 Corith 12 without a mindset.

Rom 15:19
Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
20, Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
21, But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.
22, For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you.

Which cause? verse 20 and 21 giv u d answer. I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named.

Bro, ppl in serious evangelism will tell u dt, dt is one of d hardest feat in mission work. Demanding so much from u. We ve seen ppl been hindered to even see thr families, children etc for d cause of d gospel.

1 Thess 2: 14
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: {persecuted us: or, chased us out}
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
17 But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavored the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

Verse 18 says: wherefore. "Wherefore" is not an english word dt can stand alone, we need to read previous verses to kno d knowledge transmitted.

Verse 2 down answered dt
2, But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention., Read up to verse 16.

Can i ask u, wat exactly did Christ saved us from? wat actually is d origin of devil tormenting man. Do u agree dt salvation and newbirth are total (new created spirit, born of God).

Lastly, falling into criminals' hands, having shipwreck, having flat tyre whn going on mission, raining heavily whn set for crusade can all b hindrances but never ever call for deliverance show because a believer has overcome already. In fact d wreck described by Paul, he had a foreknowledge of it, he was never in darkness.

Bro, we also are not in it. We ar always aware, nothing take us by surprise or by chance, children of light (no darkness in or around us), light of the world Bro, The greater one lives in us. As he is (complete, justified, glorified, righteous, delivered, triumphant), so ar we in ds world (1 John 4:17).

Just clinging on straws , humble yourself. Paul's hindrances and set backs were caused by a demon. That demon was responsible for the afflictions ,persecution, hardship ,and many weariness of Paul.