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Don Xavi: I've heard some testimonies of people receiving calls from spiritual beings threatening them. One of This confessions was actually made by an evil spirit during the person's deliverance. I saw this live on Emmanuel TV. The Television station owned by Prophet TB Joshua of The synagogue church of all nations. The demon said that he called this person to warn him against his planned trip to the Synagogue, [b]and the person being delivered even confirmed it after his deliverance that he received such threat call around midnigh[/b]t before his trip to the synagogue.

The bolded part got my attention.

Enigma: Jo

I think I know the leader of that Sheep without Shepherd Assembly. I believe that you once called him a vagabond --- one Pastor Chris or is it Pastor Christ as you people frequently type.

Eleyi o daa , learned friend . Why name calling .

Bibol: OP, could it be that the "demons" actually possessed the lady to send you the text messages in a state of unconsciousness? If you really want answers, let the lady you were trying to minister to request from the service provider, a recent log of her text messages or calls to your phone.
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This is very possible especially knowing that someone manifesting during ministration is not himself and such person would say things that when you ask him later he will be shocked to know he said such things. In experienced in this and this and I battled with the assumption , it's very logical . But the problem was that there was no credit in the phone . Where did the credit fly from . I left the matter wondering . Until months later when I had the second experience and this time the person was sound asleep yet the phone was communicating with mine and they said or it said "WE ARE INSIDE HER PHONE"

Finally why I have also experience while ministering to some people who always having setback from promotion etc a demon speaking through them say things like " I AM BEHIND HIS FAILURES , I ENTER OFFICE COMPUTER AND DELETE HIS NAME FROM SO AND SO" so my conclusion if a devil can enter computer to delete name , he can enter phone to manipulate.

God2man: List those hundred churches, i am eagerly waiting.
God2man.

I know 3 of them churches

1. The wayward church
2. Sheep without shepherd assembly
3. Church of the rebellion

jayriginal: All this, and atheism is irrational.

Hey InesQor, one question you might have thought of asking but didnt is

Is it possible that Joe Agbaje is lying?

Is it possible that Joe Agbaje is mentally unsound?

I specifically asked for those who have experience in casting out devils on this thread and not novice like you. You may not know spiritual things.

InesQor: @Joagbaje:
Is it impossible that the woman has psychological problems or a clinical mental disorder or she told a lie to fulfill an attention seeking psychosis?

What about the fact that only my SMS is showing in her phone and the second fact that there was no credit in the phone yet the phone was still sending messages few minutes before the meeting . When I send it will reply until I stopped responding if not it would continue and when I checked the credit , no credit for calls or SMS left. It was when the second case happened that I felt I should sample opinion .

God2man: Is it only money? What about divine security? Good health, open heavens, a blessing that money cannot buy.

One woman gave a testimony how robbers attacked and stole her bag, she fought with them on the street and started shouting, i pay my tithe, No! you can't steal it. They struggled together openly, the robbers fled, immediately God sent somebody to waylay the robbers and recover the stolen bag, everything inside the bag was intact.

@ joagbaje, the problem with this thread is that anti-tithers will claim they are enjoying the same thing, so, what is the difference?


I rest my case.

God bless you.
God2man.

It doesn't matter what they falsely claim . It's just like when an Idol worshiper claims to enjoy same privilege as Christians . He is so blind that he doesn't know what is missing .

Any way I just wanted to pull their legs

Pastor Kun: Trust you to support any statement that supports your tithing racket no matter how daft it sounds. How any right thinking person can make a principle of Abraham's one off voluntary tithes from war booty and now twist it to mean mandatory monetary tithes from all income for christians who were never even required to emulate Abraham seriously beats my imagination. It must be obvious to you lot that you are just grasping at straws to justify this fraud you are perpetuating on the body of Christ since Malachi 3:10 which is based in law has been torn to shreds.

Don't vent your frustration on me. It's evident you have failed woefully in your evil campaign . Truth speak for its self and the people you claim to be fighting for are clearly telling you to go and study .

Besides I never based tithing on Malachi .

Oyinprince: na wa o, av u seen anywere they sed tithing saves pple ?

Don't mind him. What we say continually is that tithes and offerings are principles in Gods kingdom . They are for ever.

okeyxyz: The principles in the Law are not the problems but the interpretations are. Every principle contained in the law are perfect,

Beautiful!

but do you understand what they are really saying? This is why the law was referred to as a shadow of things to come(christinaity). What is the characteristics of a shadow? A shadow imitates the real substance,it acts according to the substance but ultimately, it is a misrepresentation of the substance

The letter is the shadow ,the principle is the spirit and principles are eternal.

Do you take the parables of Jesus Christ(who was the law in flesh/person) literally? if you do, then you are lost. Do you take the saying "An eye for an eye, a life for a life " literally? then you are lost.

The principle here is the law of sowing and reaping. And it is eternal. Jesus confirmed this .

Revelation 13:10
:he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Do you take the saying "A woman must not wear a man's clothes..." literally? if you do, then you are lost. These sayings are founded on God's perfect principles but the people to whom the law was given to were not also given the understanding to go with it (Romans 7:14), so everything they thought the law was saying was wrong, thus the abolishing of the law means the abolishing of what we thought and understood from the law.

The only way to understand all that the law was saying is to have a new mindset found only in Christ. This is what it means to be born again, to have a new mindset to re-interpret everything we'd heard before.

We are saying thesame thing. Not everything in the law is literal. But the principles they are based upon are eternal. Secondly ,there are literal things in the law that have to be taken literarily because the are principle. Honoring thy father and mother is a principle . It is not a shadow. It is literal . And paul quoted it not once not twice.

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

And to even think of the fact that he was quoting this law to Gentiles! Not Jews

I have many, have you heard of paying tithes in advance? I've heard of people paying tithes in advance as a demonstration of faith for a contract they desire or for a promotion . But before this revelation became popular, I had an experience in the 90s while I was serving as a Corper. I went on follow up and visitation of a soul who visited our church. I was in need of money. I did some trekking,. But after the visitation. The elder brother who the guy stays with was very touched by my devotion to God, he was complaining bitterly about his brother who steals his things up to his new Lacoste polo shirt! .saying imagine you a graduate serving God like this . So he gave me a brown envelop , I knew it was money. As I crossed the road waiting for a taxi ,I opened the envelop ,it was 5,000 naira. I couldn't hold my joy for Gods faithfulness. But suddenly I heard in my spirt. "Give it as you tithe". It was a Wednesday , when I got to church that evening ,I prayed over the envelop. And gave it as my tithe ,all of it. Just few day after . A sister who had travelled to lagos came back with a message from my family. It was an envelop of 50,000 naira. I then knew why God led me to give the 5,000. But I kept this to myself over the years. Because I never heard anyone teach it. It was a personal experience and revelation. But I was surprised later in years to hear people sharing such testimony of faith. A man was bidding for a job , and he said the governor wife began to press for it. He gave a tithe of his would be profit and the job came to him. Others talked about a delay in promotion and they pay tithes ahead of the new salary they desire by faith and promotion came. I just wondered how certain revelation can be universal.

m.k.o2005:
The above scripture takes us to how tithing changed according to the provision of the Law ! The Levetical order of tithing isn't God's original plan for tithing. God's original plan for tithing started with Abraham and not the Laws ! The Laws were commanded for a reason ! It's only a shadow of what is to come,that is back to statusquo !

Great truth brother

I have had 2 experiences . The first one happened when minitered to a young woman Several spirits were cast out of her. But I wasn't through with her because it took a long time so we had to take a break to finish up the following day. But the following day ibegan to recieve series of SMS from "THEM" insulting me and warning to keep away from her, that she belong to them.

At first, I thought it was a prank from her, then few minutes before our appointment I began to recieve SMS from her line that I should not deliver her, that she belong to them , Then they said they were inside her phone using it to warn me.. I replied saying christ has delivered her already .her body soul and spirit belong to Jesus .

Now this is the funny part . She came I asked who was sending me SMS through her phone . She said nobody , she said she was only surprised to see SMS from me. I collected her phone . Suprisigngly i only saw my replies. There was no trace of the messages sent from that phone ,Then she said she doesn't even have credit at all since day before . I then took the phone again and checked the balance 0:00 kobo ! . That's my firsts experience .

The second experience I had to send someone else to the person house few block away to call her, she was deeply sleeping yet, I was Receiving warning messages from the phone . This particular person was involved in witchcraft . Checking the phone only my responses were there . Yet ony phone both her SMS and mine are there , even till now

. . . .And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified Acts 20:32


Joshua 1:8 unveils God’s tested and guaranteed recipe for unending success:

"This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success."

There’re several books and teachings on success, that may be helpful on a temporary and earthly basis, but devoid of spiritual insight. No wonder, those who feed on them fail sooner or later for their principles were based on human wisdom. Only God’s Word can make you a true success.

You need the Holy Spirit, the Author of life Himself, to take you through His Word, and help you be successful in life.
Psalm 39:5, says "…verily, every man at his best state is altogether vanity."

Human wisdom or expertise is not enough to put you over in life. Embrace the wisdom of God.

Proverbs 4:7 says, "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom…"; and wisdom is the Word of God.

The world’s economies are in shambles today in spite of the great work of the best economists and financial teachers of the world. All the economic theories and postulations are crumbling, but God’s Word gives us hope and wisdom. God has given us His Word to teach us how to live a joyous, successful, vibrant, and prosperous life.

Everything you’d ever need for a successful life is wrapped up in the Word; continually feed the Word into your spirit! It’s the infallible manual for a successful, victorious and prosperous life.

swtchicgurl: [b]Birds of a feather, flock together!!!

Just listen to yourselves! And one of you dare say the 'spirit' is one....pathetic!

No true Man of God will force anybody, whether rich or poor to pay tithe! You all keep screaming pastors, pastors, pastors! some of which are not called by God and you suddenly categorise all men of God under as thieves? Be careful not to bring the judgement of God upon yourselves!

When the widow in Luke 21:1-4,



gave all she had, was she forced? she gave based on the level of her faith! and that's exactly how we are expected to operate. but remember if your faith doesn't not support tithing, be ready to take responsibility for the consequences! also remember, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God....so, pay deep attention to the Word of God and let your faith grow!

In as much as God will not force any man to do anything, no true Man of God will, he can only counsel and encourage.

Everyone is expected to pay tithe of everything! rich, poor, tall, short, president, gateman, whoever! and then, tithe goes to 'levites' which are modern day 'church workers' as the Bible admits that 'the Lord is their inheritance'. so, if no one pays tithe, how will the 'levites' feed? Also, the church can use these funds to help the poor and needy in the midst and that was what the early apostles did in Acts.

Giving to the church or work, either by tithe, offering, freewill offering, firstfruit offering, etc... is basic Kingdom principle and the wise stick to them.

I have already said it that, work according to the level of your faith but be ready to take responsibilty![/b]

Tell them o. They now know more than Jesus . Pastors are not beneficiaries from tithe . Tithes don't belong to pastors . Pastors are the number one tithers.

man was redeemed. A christian is not redeemed. He is a new creature ,created anew. He doesn't have a past. He is the fruit of redemption


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5k7WJQFxik


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcMSjpR5K0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ag6kNwBDJQ

Have you ever experience kindom of darkness sending you an SMS ,or a demon? I have had some experience while ministering to some cases. But I want to sample opinion first before I give details of my experience .

If you have heard of such experience or you have actually experience such. Either as a threat or whatever the content .


I have had 2 experiences . The first one happened when minitered to a young woman Several spirits were cast out of her. But I wasn't through with her because it took a long time so we had to take a break to finish up the following day. But the following day ibegan to recieve series of SMS from "THEM" insulting me and warning to keep away from her, that she belong to them.

At first, I thought it was a prank from her, then few minutes before our appointment I began to recieve SMS from her line that I should not deliver her, that she belong to them , Then they said they were inside her phone using it to warn me.. I replied saying christ has delivered her already .her body soul and spirit belong to Jesus .

Now this is the funny part . She came I asked who was sending me SMS through her phone . She said nobody , she said she was only surprised to see SMS from me. I collected her phone . Suprisigngly i only saw my replies. There was no trace of the messages sent from that phone ,Then she said she doesn't even have credit at all since day before . I then took the phone again and checked the balance 0:00 kobo ! . That's my firsts experience .

The second experience I had to send someone else to the person house few block away to call her, she was deeply sleeping yet, I was Receiving warning messages from the phone . This particular person was involved in witchcraft . Checking the phone only my responses were there . Yet ony phone both her SMS and mine are there , even till now

So what actually made you shed tears? Is it tears of repentance or worship . We don't really get you.

nlMediator: Quite interesting. I'll like to learn more. So, could you clarify one more thing: Who did Jesus purchase us from - who was selling us and received the purchase price?

Jesus paid the price to apease Gods demand of justice on our behalf.

Heaven is a place in Gods kindom. Definitely there are buildings in heaven . At least the bible tells us of a physical temple and alter there. But when Jesus talks about many mansions , I believe it's talking about our place in christ.

We must also know that heaven is only a trmporary abode for the saints . We will only be in heaven for 7 years or so. Our final abode is the new earth forever .

. . .Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us -Hebrews 9:12

The word "redemption" as used in our opening scripture is from the Greek, "lutrōsis," which means to ransom, deliver, save, or bring out of trouble. The Lord Jesus redeemed man from sin at the cross, and His blood became the currency with which He paid for the sins of the whole world. Then He was buried, and on the third day, God raised Him from the dead with a new life. Now, He gives eternal life to those who believe in Him.

Observe that the new creation is not the redeemed; he’s the fruit of Christ’s redemptive work on the Cross. Some people get confused when they study portions of the Scripture, where the new creation is described as "redeemed." For instance, in Revelations 5:9, the Bible says,

"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation."

The word, "redeemed" is wrongly translated here; it’s from the Greek, ‘agorazo,’ which means to go to the market and make a purchase; to buy something as a gift to give to someone. It’s not a buy-back, as is the case with "lutrōsis," but a fresh purchase. Christ purchased us with His blood, and gave us as gifts to God.

Several translations actually give a proper rendering of that verse. The New International Version says,

"... with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation."

The Living Bible says,

"…for you were slain, and your blood has bought people from every nation as gifts for God."

You’re a gift, purchased for God by Jesus; He bought you with a price. This isn’t "lutrōsis"; this is "agorazo"; it’s a fresh purchase. Now, you belong to God. You’re not the person that was "delivered" from the devil when Jesus died on the cross; you’re a new creature, never delivered from the devil, but born superior to him by the second birth.

Goshen360: Keep waiting. You know how many people I still wan catch? Make I produce evident make the rest like you run go bury their heads?

Just shut your mouth if you have no reasonable thing . And don't be silly.

Gombs: Help me tell Goshen shame on him

Proverbs 6:17-19
A proud look, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies,
and he that soweth discord among brethren.


The bible has proven over and over that the rebellious who claim to be fighting for fairness are the criminals. Fleshly people without the spirit. Just like judas.

John 12:6
. . .This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief . .

Goshen360: Keep deceiving yourself, people that don't know internet will think same person cannot be online at the same time with two different I.D. Keep deceiving yourself.

I thought you said you have evidence . YOU ARE A VERY DISHONEST PERSON! SHAME ON YOU!

Gombs: Shame on Goshen if he can't prove the ISP tin...using lies to justify your falsehood is not a nice game plan o

Goshen we are waiting . . . Or you have gone bury your head in shame?

Candour: Ko si enikeni to fe je raw...Ki spirit yi na fi etan si le. Ko dara rara

Hmmm an attention seeker . . .

Proverbs 26:17
He who, passing by, stops to meddle with strife that is none of his business is like one who takes a dog by the ears.

Goshen360: Deception!!! Isp, isp provider, ip address, all intact...deception isn't good for you. No be only gombe he dey, na mokola....

Really? . I give you the license to prove this and publish it. Or bury your head in shame . What kind of so called Christians are these?

Gombs: See how you all wanna feast on Jo...

Wón fé je mí raw nii. . Flesh will always persecute spirit,

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

christemmbassey: what vs do u use to collect tithes?

I'm not a tithe collector . I give my tithes and give my offerings, and don't try to get personal with me Because when you guys run out points you get into fleshly attack. Get into the word of God .

christemmbassey: was mal3:10 directed at d jews after d flesh or d jew in d spirit?

Lets leave petty things. I've never used Malachi as reason for tithing. So it doesn't matter who he was talking to?

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Goshen360: I don't want to. be carnal , they might say we want to win argument that's why we slander but I have the IP internet track record with me....

. .. No dey lie bros , what does the IP say? . That gomb is Jo. . Very funny. Gomb dey gombe ,me i dey ph stadium now for music concert.

Goshen360: We have asked you to produce evidence what the early church gave was called Offering IN THE WORSHIP GATHERINGS. Just one single scripture will be okay.

Give one scripture where God says tithes and offerings should stop.