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Tayerulz: Thats why i'm bothered. I feel these G.O's know one thing the followers don't know. I still want to know what all these are all about.

There had been attempts and kidnapping s of G.Os . If you feel threatened you can employ security. Jesus had securities. And when he was threatened he took security measures. Paul took security measures too. It's a simple common sense.

Tayerulz: Just wondering if a 'true christian' should employ securities, body guards and any other means of sself-protection when the bible teaches that all trusts must be put in God. Lemme have your views on this peepz. Happy new week

Security is simple common sense. That's why you lock your doors don't you?. You may have need of more security measures if you attain an endangered status. But don't put your faith in them. You may put physical security but your trust must still be in God.

Zikkyy: Joagbaje, where did you read God telling the Israelite to tithe from sales or that salary earners tithed?

Where were they exempted. The Jews were farmers by default.

read God's definition of tithe below. Farmers sell portions of their harvest to purchase other goods and services they don't produce
God did not tell them to tithe from sales of their produce. The tithe was from increase in assets before it is sold.

They were farmers by default. And what if the produce is unclean? Won't it be sold and money value given?

Leviticus 27:30-32 (NIV)
30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. 32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord.

@bolded. Joagabje what is that all about you are saying Israelite rearing horses, dog, carmel or snake were required to tithe?

Yes they gave tithes and offerings of things needed in the tabernacle. There are other things that people couldn't bring . Like perishable things. For example mint and anise are backyard plants not cash crops. It's like tomatoe garden in your house.

to justify tithing for all, you come up with statement like this na wa oh! please read again God's definition of tithe below:

32 "Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord."

Did Abraham pass the booty under the rod?

Joagbaje are telling us that every tenth dog, carmel and snake that passes under the shepherd's rod is holy to the Lord even when god was specific as to what was holy to him you decided to add your own. you see how you people deceive gullible "Christians"

God doesn't accept unclean animals . They give cash equivalent for offerings and tithes.


Leviticus 27:11-13
And if it be any unclean beast, of which they do not offer a sacrifice unto the Lord, then he shall present the beast before the priest: And the priest shall value it, whether it be good or bad:as thou valuest it, who art the priest, so shall it be. But if he will at all redeem it, then he shall add a fifth part thereof unto thy estimation.

Image123: :Hahahahahahahaha, they should be so ashamed now. People have insulted Christ, insulted us, insulted Bible versions and thse who sacrificed their life, time, intellect and visions to give us translations, all because of tithe. Someone actually said we should not listen to all the words of Jesus, he must be joking right?

Abi o, if the translation suits them its ok, but the day the translation says otherwise ,it must be burnt !

1acre: Can I understand if there is an issue here?

I believe it answers the questions of many hearts

When you go to a church , you are to submit to the authority there. There is structure of sitting arrangement. Some churches may not be so organsied maybe due to their size so You can sit anywhere . But some other churches have to manage space well you must follow instructions of the ushers on where to park or sit

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me (John 12:31-32).


The Lord Jesus made a powerful statement while addressing His disciples during the closing moments of His earthly ministry. He said,

"…for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me" (John 14:30).

When you study the original Greek construction of that verse, what Jesus actually meant was that Satan had nothing to his advantage in Him (Jesus). What a confession!

Does Satan have anything in you? "No"; you might answer. However, it’s not just by saying "No"; you have to make such declaration by faith in the Word of God, knowing that when Christ reproduced you through His Word, Satan had nothing in you.

James 1:18 says,
"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth…."

1 Peter 1:23 says,
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."

The Word of God that gave birth to you is perfect and incorruptible; therefore, nothing of darkness is in you.

Some people unknowingly invite the devil into their lives when they entertain fear, doubt, unbelief, sickness, infirmity, and failure. If any of these tries to attack you, declare, "The prince of this world has nothing in me!" Don’t bring anything of the devil into your life through negative talking. Your confession, should be, "I have the light of life: there’s nothing in my life that produces darkness or death; there’s nothing in my life that produces failure; there’s nothing in my life that produces weakness! The Lord is the strength of my life."

Ephesians 4:27 tells us not to give place to the devil; that shows he has no place in your life except you give him one. Don’t give Satan a chance; he’s got nothing to his advantage in you because you’re born of the Word. That’s the reality.

DrummaBoy: Jo' has shown us; however quoting from his nameless bible designed for the greed of Pastors:

You don't have to condemn a translation just because it didnt go we'll with your belly. I quote different translations. So we can have better understanding. I didn't write them.

I quoted from message translation.

Luke 18:12 Message
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. '

You can as well check others . It doesn't make a difference .

Luke 18:12. AMPLIFIED
I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

Luke 18:12. NLT
I go without food twice a week, and I give to God a tenth of everything I earn. '

Luke 18:12. HSCB
I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of everything I get. ’

Luke 18:12 ESV
I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get. ’

It quotes a pharisee in Luke as saying 'I give a tithe of my income...' not minding the fact that the 'income' that d fraudulent bible of his conveniently replaced the word 'possessions' that the KJV rightly uses.

I won't pick offense at your insult it's the trade mark of Unspiritual people.okay , so your problem is the fact that , the translation didnt use possession as king James . Let me first ask you , was the bible written in king James . It's not even the first translation of the bible . It's just a translation. Like many others. Except for the fact that they try to pick every word, which make it lose its message. So other modern translations are required to see the bigger picture and message . What I posses is the same as what I got . Either in cash or kind. Get it?

Jo' also forgets the context in which Jesus said that story: comparing the penitence of a true child of God to the Pharisee hypocritical lifestyle whose only religion is in praying, going to temple and paying tithe of all his possessions.

The point here is the revelation of the lifestyle of a Jew. They gave tithes of all. Abraham gave tithes of all. Jacob gave tithes of all. Even though details were not recorded.

It is this same pharisee spirit Jesus was attacking in Matt 23:23 when he said U pay tithe of cummins, etc. He was showing us the shollowless of these people -

Just keep quiet if you don't know what to say. Jesus didnt attack giving of tithe. He commended tithing . That it should be done but not at the expense of other thungs. other things should be attended to as well .

GOD DIDN'T SUBJECT THE WORLD TO ANGELS
Hebrews 2:5
For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

ALL THINGS INCLUDING MICHEAL ARE SUBJECT TO CHRIST
Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

MICHEAL WORSHIP JESUS
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.


WORLD WAS CREATED BY JESUS

Ephesians 3:9
. . . . the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1:16
Christ himself is the Creator who made everything in heaven and earth, the things we can see and the things we can't; the spirit world with its kings and kingdoms, its rulers and authorities; all were made by Christ for his own use and glory.

GOD NEVER CALLED ANGELS HIS SON
Hebrews 1:5-7
For God never said to any angel, "You are my Son, and today I have given you the honor that goes with that name." But God said it about Jesus.

MICHEAL COULDN'T REBUKE SATAN DIRECTLY
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

JESUS REBUKED SATAN
Matthew 4:10
"Get out of here, Satan," Jesus told him. "The Scriptures say, Worship only the Lord God. Obey only him. '"


MICHEAL HAS EQUALS, HE IS NOT THE ONLY ARCHANGEL , JESUS HAS NO EQUALS

Daniel 10:13
. . . but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me. . .

@obadiah

REASONS WHY JESUS CAN'T BE MICHEAL.

GOD DIDN'T SUBJECT THE WORLD TO ANGELS
Hebrews 2:5
For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

ALL THINGS INCLUDING MICHEAL ARE UBJECT TO CHRIST
Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

WORLD WAS CREATED BY JESUS

Ephesians 3:9
. . . . the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1:16
Christ himself is the Creator who made everything in heaven and earth, the things we can see and the things we can't; the spirit world with its kings and kingdoms, its rulers and authorities; all were made by Christ for his own use and glory.


MICHEAL WORSHIP JESUS
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

GOD NEVER CALLED ANGELS HIS SON

Hebrews 1:5-7
For God never said to any angel, "You are my Son, and today I have given you the honor that goes with that name." But God said it about Jesus.

MICHEAL COULDN'T REBUKE SATAN DIRECTLY
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

JESUS REBUKED SATAN
Matthew 4:10
"Get out of here, Satan," Jesus told him. "The Scriptures say, Worship only the Lord God. Obey only him. '"


MICHEAL HAS EQUALS, HE IS NOT THE ONLY ARCHANGEL , JESUS HAS NO EQUALS

Daniel 10:13
. . . but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me. . .

obadiah777: i am of the impression that you dont know what angel means but oga Jo, thats why i am here. i intend to pull people out of the abyss of darkness and into the brightness of the light

an·gel [eyn-juhl] Show IPA
noun
1.

a messenger, especially of God.
<<< an angel is a messenger. the 144,000, what is their message ? to unify the gentiles to the jews under the law


see, right of the top, your premise is wrong because you didnt know the meaning of that word 'angel'. i suspect you are caught up in greco-roman fantasy and mythology of romanticizing biblical words

Why would you think I don't know the meaning of angel. It simply means , minister or servant . And human ministers could have fallen into that class on some sense. That's not a reason to make Jesus angel

Goshen360:

So you don't know the poor are exempted from tithing?

The bible only gave alternative for offerings. There's offerings for the poor. But tithes , anyone earning income tithes. Maybe I haven't seen the exemption , kindly show me

christemmbassey: christians are all exempted from d law of Moses which includes tithe.

The law is not bad in itself. It contains certain principles that are still binding . Do you steal? Because law is nullified?

Christians are not tithing because of the law. But because itTithing existed in Gods kingdom as eternal principle . There's no scripture where it was annulled ?

Acts 13:39. U collect tithe from widows n orphans? Bro, that's WICKEDNESS.

You eat Gods tithe that's stealing .

Goshen360: SIR,

Can you show us from the word of God where the poor and widows are commanded to tithe ?

You show me where they were exempted.

obadiah777: where did i get the lion of judah from ?

hebrews 7 vs 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda;

My point is that the passage you manipulated in revelation didn't say lion of Judah . You added it. Why? The devil is also likened to a roaring lion. Hope you got my point.

BUT LETS DIGRESS. YES HE IS GREATER THAN ANGELS. HE IS AN ARCH-ANGEL.

An archangel is still an angel . Micheal is not the only arch angel, Gabriel is also one and many others. So Jesus is not an angel.

HE IS THE LEADER OF THE ANGELS. WHICH ANGELS ? THE 144,000 MEN OF ISRAEL AKA THE SEVEN STARS >>>>

The 144,000 are not angels but rather the remnant jews from tribulation.

jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Micheal ( christ ) telling the devil that 'the lord rebuke thee'. why is Micheal calling himself 'lord' ?

Micheal didn't call himself lord. He rebuked the devil in the name of God of heaven . Because satan was higher than him. He needed a higher name.

Goshen360: ^
Say it as it is,

THE POOR AND WIDOWS ARE NOT COMMENDED TO TITHE BUT TO BENEFIT FROM THE TITHE.

Everyone income earners gave tithes, tithe is tithe

HOWEVER, THE TITHE MERCHANTS OF OUR DAYS WILL TELL POOR PEOPLE LIVING BELOW $2 A DAY AND WIDOWS TO TITHE ....SO THEY CAN BECOME BLESSED!!!

Tithe does not belong to the pastor . Most pastors have their own job and businesses . And they are tithers.

We shall fight this good fight of freedom till the end.

It's a failed fight. Has anything changed ? Some of us were once like you .

obadiah777: of course this is for the spiritually discerned. the direct calling of Jesus an angel is in the book of revelation, for those who say christ is not an angel

REVELATION 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

THE LION OF JUDAH ROARING WHILE RECIEVING INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD ( THE SEVEN THUNDERS )

The bible didn't say such thing as you wrote here dude . Where did you get your lion of Judah stuff from. There's a curse on those who add to scripture.

Read Hebrews . It makes it clear that Jesus is not an angel.

Hebrews 1:13-14
And did he ever say anything like this to an angel?
Sit alongside me here on my throne
Until I make your enemies a stool for your feet.
Isn't it obvious that all angels are sent to help out with those lined up to receive salvation?

Mr President: ARCHANGEL MICHAEL IS JESUS CHRIST

HOW? LETS SEE.

LOOK UP THE STORY OF THE STONING OF STEPHEN IN ACTS 6 AND 7.

Acts 7:55-57
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Dan 12:1
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

FROM THE TWO BIBLE REFERENCES ABOVE, WE KNOW THAT ANGEL MICHAEL THE GREAT PRINCE STANDS FOR HIS PEOPLE.

ALSO, AS STEPHEN WAS BEING STONED, WE SEE THAT JESUS CHRIST HAD STOOD UP FOR HIM. WHY? JESUS DOESN’T STAND AT THE RIGHT HAND, HE SEATS AT THE RIGHT HAND.

Luke 20:42
42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand

ARCHANGEL MICHAEL THE GREAT PRINCE IS JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD.
.

Try read Hebrews ,Jesus is greater than angels. God can never tell angel to sit at his right hand.


Hebrews 1:13-14
And did he ever say anything like this to an angel?
Sit alongside me here on my throne
Until I make your enemies a stool for your feet.
Isn't it obvious that all angels are sent to help out with those lined up to receive salvation?

Now to the scripture you misunderstood .let me explain it.

Dan 12:1
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:

God has angels and watchers all over the world in different nations and cities . Just as satan has principalities and demonic rulers of darkness . Angel micheal and gabriel are the angels in charge of the nation of israel. Gabriel brings messages Micheal fights.

Angel micheal while conversing with Daniel talked about the prince of Persia and Grecia ,these were demonic angels over earthly kingdom .

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days:but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

This prince of Persia was a demonic being satan set over Persia empire and also he has demonic being assigned to Greece and to Nigeria. Angel micheal still went further to talk about the demonic angel coming with emergence of Greece.

Daniel 10:20
Then he said, Do you know why I have come to you? And now I will return to fight with the [hostile] prince of Persia; and when I have gone, behold, the [hostile] prince of Greece will come.

Not at all . If you give tithes ,it's between you and God. I give mine

A pastors wealth is not from salary or allowance. A pastor is first a giver. It's only few pastors that have allowances. These are Mostly general overseers and full time pastors. 99% of pastors have their professional jobs and businesses .

Pastoring is primarily a responsibility. This I know in Cec ,Deeper life, Redeemed church and some other ministries. 99% of pastors have income earning jobs. In most ministries , The criterial of sending someone out to pastor is that he has a good job or business. The money given as offerings and tithes is not in the custody of these pastors. They rather give their own also because they are Christians.

Some pastors only get to resign from their jobs to embark on full time ministry if the ministry feels such can't cope with the two. It's still by choice. So when we discuss this issue we should have this in mind. The anti MOGs always feel a pastor does nothing and he sits to collect what others labour for. Pastoring is responsibility and sacrifice.

Now to the G.Os . The G.O also may have a job or business as the case may be. I know a medical doctor who has a big hospital complex and he started a church . The church is mostly funded from his income in the hospital . It's a call and sacrifice. That's why some G.O can tell you they don't take salary from church. Because they have other sources. That apart

Even if a pastor or G.O gets paid from the church board or whatever . The allowance or salary only gives him opportunity to sow. He gives offerings and tithes like everyone else. Some pastors are not givers ,and they end up struggling financially.

if a pastor is wealthy his money is not coming from salary. His money comes from two areas. His giving and his gift. A pastor who gives will receive. Secondly if a man has special gifts , like healing ,prophecy, miracles, people who have been healed , will definitely appreciate him. A real pastor hardly buy things like cars, people give to him and he himself give to others. Imagine a wealthy man gets healed of HIV and he sends gift to the pastor or buys him a car. Someone will feel the pastor has used church money to buy a car. A pastor with grace receives many things ,he can use all that he receives,he gives to others too.

All these will soon end in tithing .

DrummaBoy: The tithe U pay on your hard earned income - how much scriptural backing do U have for it. I challenge you, the same way I challenged Bidam (and shut him up) in another thread to supply one instance in the whole bible, were anyone paid a tithe on his income. He couldn't.

Everyone gave tithe. What do you mean by hard earned income. Tithe was given in cash and kind. How do you tithe from horses and dog sales, you bring the money of course . Do you bring horses or dogs as tithe ? Or Carmel or snakes . They only brought certain item which the temple requires . Other things are converted to money. They don't bring perishable things like tomatoes as tithe. They sell them and gave tithes of the income. Salary earners tithed!


Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. '

. Many pro and anti tithe preacher agree that the tenth Abram gave was in keeping with the culture of his day - a pagan culture.

Tithing a pagan culture? Melchizedek was a pagan priest ? ABRAHAM tithed because its a spiritual principle in Gods kindom. Why would God demand tithe from Israel if it were a pagan culture.

There is no rhema about tithing - the true rhema behind tithe PAYING is that Jesus PAID it all!!!

Tithing has nothing to do with the messiah . Jesus death has no fulfillment here . It's an everlasting principle . The only connection with Jesus and tithing is that it's forever . As long as there's a high priest . There must be tithing . Jesus continues the ministry of Melchizedek . It's everlasting .

It means every man there were spiritually dead

nlMediator: You're right that people giving to ministers is even better than salary. That's why I don't understand what the fuss is about. Do people realize that virtually none of the big ministers of today - be it Oyedepo, Osteen, Prince - receive a salary? And they are even richer than when they did.

Simple and plain.

However, I disagree with you that because the Apostles did not receive a salary, it becomes a standard for us to follow today. We're bound by Scriptures, not examples that were informed by the context of their existence. Neither Jesus nor Paul married. Why are you not insisting that ministers not marry? .

Applause!!
Thread closed !!

Zikkyy: salary only if the church agrees. i don't think salary is biblical.

Call it allowance , honoraruim or whatever ,but what is wrong with salary? All na pay.

Galatians 6:6
Those who are taught the Word of God should help their teachers by paying them.

1 Timothy 5:17
Pastors who do their work well should be paid well and should be highly appreciated, especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching.

Many times a pastor himself is victim in the hands of some of these people

Here s difference between part time or lay pastor and a full time pastor. A lay pastor has his own job and business. He could be a banker, oil worker . Etc. 99% of pastors in our ministry have their jobs and businesses .they don't require support from church . But few who are into full time ministry , some have to resign from their lucrative jobs for the sake of their responsibility . Such has to be put on salary

SimonAndal:
Oyedepo, Oyakholime, Joshua, Adeboye, Mouka, others, shey una dey see? Una dey see?

And what makes you think these men of God will turn down this gift . Have you heard that they turned back a mans gift before. They may not use every car or suits that is given to them. But they will surely recieve it and pray for the giver . They may give To another person . Because men of God are givers also. You have judged them wrongly and by this you have sinned.

That's not what he should be preaching, He should preach the gospel. Not condemnation

debosky: @ Joeagbaje

I am a bit concerned at your stance - Jesus was maltreated by the Roman soldiers thousands of years ago. Is that account of wrongdoing hidden from view? Paul was whipped for doing nothing wrong - did he conceal it?

Peter exhibited hypocrisy in the church - was it concealed or shown about to other believers? Do we not learn about that very account today? Can unbelievers not read the same account today?

When Alexander hurt Paul greatly, did he not write to tell Timothy about it - warning him to avoid the man and even saying the Lord will repay him for what he has done? Did Paul conceal it?

So please tell me - where did you get this your own idea of concealing (alleged) wrongdoing simply because it happened in the church?

I don't approve of the attack against this man's vehicle , Even though the marshals have their own side of the story. If I go to a place and I'm told not to park , I should respect myself and move away from there. But that aside . My concern is the wrong step the brother took against his own church. Which was not scriptural . We can offend one another but Church matters are to be dealt with in the church. There are principles in the scriptures .

Matthew 18:15-17
“If your brother sins against you, go and rebuke him in private. If he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he won’t listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the testimony of two or three witnesses every fact may be established. If he pays no attention to them, tell the church. But if he doesn’t pay attention even to the church, let him be like an unbeliever and a tax collector to you.

We don't wash our linen openly to the glare of sinners. We must respect the church. It's not about hiding a matter ,it's giving honor to christ. He hates it when sinners make mockery of the church .

1 Corinthians 6:1
DOES ANY of you dare, when he has a matter of complaint against another [brother], to go to law before unrighteous men [men neither upright nor right with God, laying it before them] instead of before the saints (the people of God)?

Are you saying this scriptures are not for us?

You quoted paul , Peter and christ. It's not applicable , because Paul rebuked Peter in the congregation. He didnt go to the Agora market or the hill of Mars to ridicule his brethren whom he took communion with by the blood of Jesus . A matter can only go to the law of the church authority can't handle it.

Face book or Nairaland is for gossip . If you have misunderstanding with your spouse ,do you go public with it? Does it mean you are hiding truth. That's just my point . And that's how Jesus sees it

Image123: As if i knew that this 'revelation' was going to acrtually boil down to thou shall not tithe. New revelation indeed, i'm not interested in useless revelations that wake the likes of zukky from their hibernations.

Why does every criticism land on tithe ? , why not offering? It's only a confirmation , that there's something very significant about the tithe, that's why the devils head spins 360 degrees.

agyman: I shared this story on my Facebook page,

Why dig a story of six years ago to put on Facebook. After you have been appealed to? Are you glorifying christ? Is this to edification


1 Corinthians 13:5. AMP
. . (Love) takes no account of the evil done to it [it pays no attention to a suffered wrong].

You did wrong by the word of God going to police to report issues in the church , you ought to report to leadership if you are a sheep and if you are submitted to authority there.


1 Corinthians 6:1
DOES ANY of you dare, when he has a matter of complaint against another [brother], to go to law before unrighteous men [men neither upright nor right with God, laying it before them] instead of before the saints (the people of God)?


If the church eventually intervened and ended the matter ,why carry it on Facebook? Is this how to honor christ among the heathen? . Coming here to call names only makes the matter worse for you. Why not take the wrong and be blessed . Let the God of heaven honor you.

1 Peter 3:14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness 'sake, happy are ye. . .


There' are fight we can't win ,because of the name of christ.

a friend of mine brought it to my attention today that it is being discussed on this forum. I really do not come here,

Your friend kuns who lured you into this is a known nuisance to the name of christ here.

I find too many unthinking commentators here polluting some of d intelligent discussions so this is not a forum I use

Your friend kuns is number one unthinking commentator .