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rezzy: Praise the Lord, my testimony goes like this, You anti tithe Christians have not been able to confuse me. I still pay my tithe. Praise Master Jesus. Halleluyah

Zikkyy: . even Joagbaje tried using NL to spread CE version of prosperity gospel some time back, but had to slow down after some 'constructive bashing' .

kimco: Well i guess, no one's going to any church then.

TroGunn: All things/persons (except Almighty God, of course) are subject to Christ. Does not prove that Christ does not play role of the Archangel ( all angels being subject to him as their leader) .

Micheal is Archangel, angels are under his command, like they are under Christ. Same person. Hebrews largely refers to ordinary angels being surboniate to Christ.

True. Jesus acted based on God's direction. Being as Jesus himself was created by God first ( "firstbegotten" or produced or made),

God gave him the task to create everything else. Jesus does nothing of his own will, but obeys God. John 8:28 - "So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me".
Because Jesus acted out what his Father wanted, only God is credited as being the Creator.

New Living Translation - "for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can't see--such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him".

Actually angels are severally referred to as God's sons or sons of God. One example, Job 1:6 quoted from two translations below:

"One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them". - New International Version

"Now it happened on the day when God's sons came to present themselves before Yahweh, that Satan also came among them". - World English Bible

But Christ himself remains God's messenger - the most exalted one.

You should be careful in your allegations. Any of God's servants (angel or man), infused with God's Holy Spirit can rebuke Satan. Michael is God's messenger and with God's backing could have rebuked Satan if he was so instructed. In Jude 9, Michael did not rebuke ( or judge) Satan then but humbly deferred it to God ( the Lord Yahweh/Jehovah). It was not due to lack of God-backed power, but humility because it wasn't time to judge Satan. When it was time to confront Satan, Michael prevailed against him and ousted him from Heaven ( Rev12:7-9 - "Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him".

"Chief princes" does not equate "chief angels" - don't assume. Only one Archangel is mentioned in the Bible

- Michael, and Jesus using archangel's voice.

TroGunn: I've explained it but you seem determined to take only one view that conforms to your preset idea. Angels are messengers of which Christ is one, albeit a very high and ""?

And being Archangel or Chief or Commander of Angels is does not demean Christ. he remains the 2nd highest personality in all the universe - only God, his Father, the "Most High" (Ps 83:18) is higher.

achi_cares: To be a good christian does one need to worship at a particular church? Spiritually, what does one stands to gain worshiping at a particular church? I have noticed that when one leaves where he/she used to worship, the person is being seen as a backslider. while on the contrary, the person would have been growing stronger spiritually.

pet_saint: Even david was refered to as an angel sir

2Sa 19:27 And he hath slandered thy servant unto my lord the king; but my lord the king is as an angel of God: do therefore what is good in thine eyes.

Enigma: Oga Jo, o da ma binu but you too stop saying people are stealing, ko da rara!

Enigma: I agree that we should try as much as possible to be civil. But when the people calling for the civility, and this time specifically including Joagbaje, are accusing others of "stealing", I

Nichobabe: I think you are just having fun. You just want to argue. If Kumuyi didn't tell them how come the whole DL members just decided not to watch TV and even destroy the ones they have before. Who gave the teaching?

truthislight: @ Joagbaje

The folly is yours.

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." (Revelation 5:5).
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@Joe
who is the strong angel ?

"And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, 5:2-3).

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." (Revelation 5:5).

^^^ = Jesus. QED.

debosky: If what we need to know is responsibility, let each person determine the specifics of that responsibility. The choice of whether to tithe or not should be left to the individual.

Zikkyy: @Joagbaje >

1. The tithe to Melchizedek, was it proceeds from the sale of dog, carmel and snake?
2. Did scripture say Abraham took certain items to Melchizedek temple?
3. was perishable items like Tomatoes part of the war booty?
4. do we have record of Abraham selling tomatoes and giving a tenth of the sales to melchizedek?

If you answered NO to the questions above, we can't be discussing Abraham and your initial post about tithing snake, dog and tomatoes cannot be referenced to Abraham's tithe. Joagbaje please take a stand on tithe so we understand you. Thanks

Candour: No problems Joagbaje

At least folks who hitherto didn't fully understand their bibles can come to this thread to get some answers. You being a pastor, no one expects you to give up this cash cow without a fight no matter how dirty.

Cheers

debosky: That is a human arrangement bros - I asked for biblical reference for Jesus' description of who receives what tithes. If you don't have one, please say so.

No - the passage above talks about getting support from the house. They are entitled to support as a result of their service, not because they are God's representatives. It makes no mention of tithes but instead references that which is crucial - support for those who serve.

Why are you referring to practices under the law here? I thought you said we don't tithe according to the law? So why are you quoting requirements from the Levitical priesthood? And I see you bringing in give to the priest so he can bless you. I thought we are following Abram's example, where he tithed AFTER the priest blessed him?

What are the many 'different givings'? Can you list them so we can be sure we do them all?

No - tithing is not a principle, giving is. Whether you tithe and/OR give offerings, you have given - that is what the principle is.

Zikkyy: Joagabje why you dey dodge na

Joagbaje, this is not good oh! you keep changing the item being discussed. what about my question on carmel, dog and snake na The scripture did not say that perishable goods should be given in kind, and we don't have example of anybody giving cash in exchange for his perishable goods. so what sayeth thee

Candour: Meaning Sunday school teachers, house fellowship teachers, ushers, choir etc can administer the tithe since they are ministers as well. its as simple as that. yea right

debosky: Both? Please can you show me where Jesus is collecting both or said he would collect both? Where was this structure/collection outlined?

Where did Jesus say 'ministers' should collect tithes as his representatives?

Ah I see - the important thing is that we give the tithe, not the structure right? So if I give my tithe to the poor - does that qualify as giving to God under the following verse?

‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

I don't know - aren't you the one saying we're following Abraham's faith? Abraham wasn't recorded as giving 'offerings' (except of course for items such as the Ram sacrifice in replacement for Issac) so why should we do so if we are following Abraham's faith?

Candour: @the bolded.

So how do you explain ministry gifts listed in Eph 4:11 with a clear omission of PRIEST?

Bro Joagbaje, this I'm afraid is you being very dishonest and its very sad.

Sirniyeh: keep shut.

Prove your assertion.

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Meditation is the best form of prayer.

It means engaging your spiritman into spiritual action. Opening mouth to pray is illusion

italo: The Bible may not specifically mention praying silently, but that does not mean it is any less valid than praying out loud. God can hear our thoughts just as easily as He can hear our words (Psalm 139:23; Jeremiah 12:3). Jesus knew the evil thoughts of the Pharisees (Matthew 12:24-26; Luke 11:7). Nothing we do, say, or think is hidden from God, who does not need to hear our words to know our thoughts.

OlamiB: It might be true that the muslims have a unique and one believe about their quran,

debosky: Dang, so I can only collect 1%.

Oh wait. . . .which tithes is Jesus supposedly collecting now? Is it the tithe of tithes or the entire 10%

Ah I see, since we are all priests and Jesus is the high priest, and we now see that the high priest collects no tithes from priests that equals zero.

But if we are all Levites and only some are priests, then those who are priests should collect the tithe of tithes we the Levites receive from the other Israelites. . . .but who are the other Israelites today then? Abeg can someone explain? I am confused.

Oh, but if we are Levites, we've also paid our tithes in Abram's loins haven't we?

Boll2010: Sometimes I can be sooooo lazy,to open mouth pray for night would be a big deal! I would silent make my prayers in my mind, at the same time I always have this feeling like its not accepted,and my reason is because I have find my self in a situation where by I say some bad things in my mind for example; I asked a friend wats that noise,he said he was struggling with a bible so it won't get to fall on the floor, instantly I was like so is that why you want to kiLl yourself! I felt bad after that thinking,but I knock it off that I never meant it!

My question now is anything u think in your mind and not muttering with ur mouth does it really count?? Let me v ur advice sir/ma!

Goshen360: Thank God that heretic called a moderator, Obadiah777 and his new handle, Mr. President plus MostHigh are being exposed and refuted in the face\light of scriptures day-by-day on this forum.