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Shegzdave:
You must start with Trossaard ooo

Shebi na Nketiah I first start with

Complete am first before we enter Trossard?

Shegzdave:
Jo.dera, one day you’ll tell Me why Trossaard is a drop off in quality in any way for some that started playing for us in January and had 7assists and doesn’t start all games

I’m waiting

Between Form Trossard and Form Jesus in arsenal system, who would you pick?

germaphobe:
yeah this evening

Omorr.. Nice one.

How I wish we go just get Saka backup

Shegzdave:
First off, you’re making a mistake cause Trossaard is not a drop in quality in any way so find another narrative boss

Before I come to Trossard, did we stop competing for the league with Nketiah?

Abi that one too no be drop in quality from Jesus?

mostob:
What is now the use of backups?
We were even criticizing Arteta for bringing Jesus straight to the team after that surgery.

Lol .. dem say we lack squad depth.

Now, dem say nobody fit carry league with little drop off in quality

Shegzdave:
Stop twisting things joor, we’re talking of a team chasing the league with City behind them and you’re bring this analogy?

So is Holding a massive drop off in quality?

Everyone knows Holding is a massive dropff in quality when Chasing for league. It's Facts!!!

When we were using Nketiah/Trossard when Jesus was injured, shebi na Brighton we dey pursue for league abi na Man city?

mostob:
Everything still boils down to rotation. Unfortunately, Arteta get Stony head. Kiwior, Nketiah, Timber should be more than capable

Make we dey see how this season go be sha.

Shegzdave:
Wee ghost of all players?

Please remind Me how many goals he scored in the league last season

Exactly!!

Now you know there's difference between little drop off in quality and massive drop off in quality.

BlueRayDick:
That’s not what the post u said Gbam to was saying . Go and read it again

That post is just a mild way of saying if anything happens to Saliba and White is to deputise, there won't be an issue na.

That's normal guys' football slangs na

Shegzdave:
You see you only try to see it that way cause Nketiah was considered a drop in quality compared to Jesus but he we know Nketiah has eyes for goals and since he’s not the only goal scorer in the team, his team mates goals contributed to the success..

We have goal scorers in our frontline and in the squad, but at the backline, tell me if we have options like we had at the frontline? So you see that a drop in quality from the backline can cost a lot

Lol... You don dey give excuses na

So you're saying we would have still being in title race from that December (post world cup) if someone like Werghost is playing CF for us since according to you, we have goalscorers across the frontline?

Shegzdave, one day you go really explain to him how a little drop in quality go make one lose league race sha..

One would think all league-carrying teams never had deputies that stepped up when one key player was down

germaphobe:
So far so .......

Is Timber bid accepted?

mostob:
I understand bro.
I just dey pray make we no lose any important player to injury when the race is hot.

Na the prayer be that but most importantly, make we get able deputy incase such a thing comes up.

We should thank God Saka is always fit. Na him own dey fear me pass

BlueRayDick:
Which kind Gbam? When Arteta is not crazy and doesn’t want to press self destruct button. So he will have a fully fit Saliba and a fully fit White somehow he will bench Saliba to play white ?

Just dey play!

Why Una no wan think am with respect to injury? Huh?

If Partey is injured and Lokonga is his deputy, my heart will skip

If Saka is injured and Nelson is his deputy, my heart will skip

But if Saliba is injured and White is his deputy, No way in hell my mind will skip.


Na the point we deh try pass since... How e take hard na

Shegzdave:
A little drop off in quality will definitely affect a team chasing the league, and you know the drop off in quality affected us along the race.

Don’t drag this issue senior man

Are you serious??

I never knew Nketiah/Trossard also made us drop out of title race once Jesus was injured for 3 months.

I've learnt something today Sir

Roland17:
Make una no vex, I can't entertain any kain debate that remotely places White side by side with Saliba or compares them. I can entertain a White debate in isolation but anything around Saliba is a no for me because there is no basis for it.

One has excelled in 2 different leagues, ranked top 5 best young players in most lists out there, Ligue 1 young player of the year, multiple Ligue 1 player of the month, voted into EPL team of the season.. What exactly can we say White has achieved to compare to Saliba?

Make una stop abeg. This is why I did not want to engage in this debate.

But Oga Roland, that's the bolded we're saying since na.

We never did Saliba and White debate. How Una see am as such is what's surprising sha

ObaIgwe1:
Except you have problem understanding my logic, so saying not winning "player of the match" is not the only way to determine if a player is good or bad means I am "belittling" Saliba and others that won it, even after I have clearly written all over here that I rate Saliba more than White? I only asked you if not winning "player of the match" makes other players that didn't win it not good players also?

I never asked you to trust me or claim that Saliba is overrated, I simply disagree with your belittling of White as a just good/okay player. If you have facts or figures that claim otherwise bring them. Otherwise let's just keep to our different opinions. For me I repeat, I will always prefer Saliba in his current form ahead of White, but should Arteta in any match bench Saliba for White, I will not worry too much. QED.

Gbam!!!
Like e no hard!!

Shegzdave:
When Partey was injured also, we saw what happened to the team all the team mates all work together for the sake of the team but the bone of contention is between Saliba and White and not anybody else.

So don’t comman turn any Amala here please

It’s Saliba vs White and their impact on our defense line

We no dey do Saliba Vs White (That's where you people are getting it wrong).

We're saying, in terms of Saliba injury, Would White be A Very Capable Deputy Without So Much Drop Off In Quality?
Yes or No?

How Una turn to White Vs Saliba is AMAZE-ING!!

daveP:
Lol. I dey come. Make i chop fes.


I've been on white matter from start of last season. I highlighted a lot of things i consider not encouraging despite the way we defended well. Funny enough he did well during the drop weeks. But i dey come😂


Ben White!!!

Lol...
No problems

Emaprince:
I have no problem with arsenal looking for a better option.

Just pointing out the fact that jorg is a carry along..trashy sloth that drags his team backwards.

Lol... Okay

mostob:
You just buttress my point the more. White is not an average defender. If Arteta want to rest Saliba, he would do so without much tension. This is why I think he is benchable when required. Another example is Martinelli. With Trossard, we are covered so Martinelli too is benchable. Now compared this to the like of Gabby, Ramsdale and Saka. That's what I'm trying to say since.

Lol, na your point I dey buttress since na.

Wetin you think say I dey do all these while?

ObaIgwe1:
I am surprised to read many of these posts underrating White...Honestly.

Apart from the 1st 2 matches during his 1st season when the team was yet to stabilize, I cannot remember anyone blaming White for underperforming in any of the matches he played for us till date. C'mon guys, Tomi, White , Gabriel and Tierney brought stability to our defense that season till injuries came calling on many of them.

I mean almost everyone in England blamed Southgate for not using White while parading Harry Maguire, because he is that good.

At the time we got White, only few will even think Saliba can bench him. Saliba improved the season Arteta sent him back on loan, thanks to Henry's advice to him; to use the season to make a case for himself.

If the options is to bench one and use one between Saliba and White, though I will pick Saliba in his current form ahead of White, I am not sure Arteta will and if Arteta pick White ahead of Saliba, I will not worry too much or feel bad...cos White is also very good!

PS: Who were the better defenders at Brighton when we bought White for 50M? Cucurella that was bought for 63M or who?

Simple!!

People will point to Saliba injury that cost us but I'll always say it's Tomi.

If Tomi had been fit, White would have seemlessly slotted with Gab for Rcb and everything would have been settled. In fact, that also robbed us of our "Holding" padlock towards the end of the game.

Mostob go understand wetin I mean

Shegzdave:
White wasn’t really average per se but he wasn’t what was needed to bring composure to the defense line until the inclusion of Saliba, if you could remember vividly, the media commends Arteta for making good use of him as a RB cause if he was what we really needed, Saliba won’t make Arteta drift him to the RB position.

He is decent no doubt but I think I’ll appreciate Arteta playing him in that RB position cause he is playing well to Arteta instruction in that position.

All these composure in defence you people are attributing to Saliba Is not fair. That team was already on the ascendancy.

This was a team that people thought might relegate (even though it's a bit far fetched) to a team that people finally blamed for not making Top 4.

You think a team that lost 3 straight matches that turned to a team that almost made top 4 (infact blamed for not making Top 4) is lacking composure?

We should not only be thinking Saliba, we should think Partey too.

BlueRayDick:
I can see spy has join hands with u to form Nokia logo .

He don train u well well….. see where u carry matter go. Wo I don tire already, I no get straight to follow u drag the matter again.

Spy360:
I don't think anyone is arguing that Saliba is better than White. The question Mostob is asking is if you were to risk a player among the four considering the quality of their backups who would it be?

Saka -Nelson
Gabriel -Kiwior
Ramsdale - Turner
Saliba - White

I think it would be Saliba all things being equal. Hence he is least untouchable. The most untouchable is Saka. It's like going from Porcshe to Camry.

Gbamsolutely!!

Na me and Mostob point be this.

Nobody is also saying White is better than Saliba.

iamoyindamola:
Bro that mean he’s average
If you can’t play to coach instructions you are no better

Thank God Spy done answer you.

BlueRayDick:
Lolz

U made a wrong analogy with this Odegaard issue and I will tell u why I said so.

Before Odegaard arrived Arsenal once had Ozil whom everyone knows his quality and that explains why most people didn't get excited when he was pre-cooking prior to last season. The people expected close to what Ozil is known for. It was only last season when he brought that A-game everyone had to give him his flowers.

Now to White issue, most people expected him to bring that Van Djik level of stability to our defence line and that was the reason the pro-attack debators kept on dragging us in his first season when he was partnering with Gabriel.

NOT: At no point did I ever consider white poor, just that he's not that Knight in shining armour Ur argument seems to suggest he was.

Saliba was and is!

Lol...now I see your issue.

You've already set a bar for "so so" player and how you want them to perform?

No wonder you think people aren't excited for Odegaard because they expected him to do close of what Ozil is known for

No wonder you're expecting White to be like Van dijk even when almost all the fan base never knew who White was before coming to arsenal in contrast to Van dijk who almost everyone knows as one of EPL best defenders before his switch to Liverpool.


No wonder you say White is average in his first season. Expecting Absolute Van dijk performance from him

Roland17:
Look at it this way..

Saliba has made the team of the season.

Gabu won player of the month 3 times during the period under review

Show us where White won player of the month as a CB during the period.

His only player of the month has come as a RB for Arsenal.

This proves that he did not have consistency in performance to win one as a CB partnering Gabu.

Really? Team of the season? Player of the month?

Partey hardly makes team of the season or player of the month, In fact he's hardly top3 contender most times if I'm not mistaken but you and I know that "a fit Partey would walk into any EPL starting 11"

iamoyindamola:
If tomi wasn’t average why will white bench instead of white sitting on bench

Roland answered you here

Roland17:
Again, the reason White is benching Tomiyasu is because he plays better to Arteta's instruction and he is always available..

Emaprince:
Jorginho is good yet arsenal rush go sign rice.

Lol

This is last year for Jorginho contract na.

So we shouldn't think about our future ni,?

iamoyindamola:
You keep mixing it up
White replaced tomi in his second season

You're the one mixing it up.

You claimed White was below average (or average) in his first season reason why Saliba replaced him in the second season.

So I asked, Was Tomi below average in his first season that White replaced him in his second season?

BlueRayDick:
Just see it this way:

1. White was an upgrade to the defenders we had at the time he was signed. Those defenders were actually poor at that time he was signed.

2. White did not bring the level of stability Van Djik brought to Loserpool. Even though he was an upgrade to what we had at that time, his performance was not above average. As in it wasn't exceptional unlike what we had with the introduction of Saliba last season.

3. Saliba was clearly way above average to the extent that rival fans, pundits and sports news blogs kept on showering encomiums on him. Even we the fans could not hold our joy anytime we see the team list and Saliba is on it as expected.

Lol...
Saliba was like a 90/100 performance while White was a 70-75/100 performance.

Let's use Odegaard as an example. Odegaard was very very impressive during the 20/21 season but few pundits nor rival fans showered encomiums on him. In fact the only rival fan whom I knew praised him was Popi from Chelsea thread and this is me who's mostly moving from one sports thread to another.

But this past season, the way pundits and rival fans were raving about him, one would think it's just this past season he started cooking.

While I wouldn't doubt he raised the bar and put in world class performances, I would deny that he was class the previous season.

And that's the same thing with White