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Leyqute:
BTW Jodera what do you think about Auba’s situation?

Lol... Na wetin we been dey debate on ystdy on our thread. Couldn't continue with our discussion ystdy sef cos I fell ill.

Leyqute:
You don’t seem to understand me.

Being thin doesn’t mean just having bodies there. It’s about how many quality players they have there.

If you pick a first XI in the league, how many of those players will get into that squad?

How many of them will get into team B?

The only top midfielder Chelsea has is Kante. And he’s being plagued with injuries.

They are thin in midfield.

The first choice wingbacks are okayish- James and Chilwell. The rest have huge defensive frailties.

And thank God they have a coach that uses a system which masks those weaknesses.

We all know consistency is quality. I wouldn't want Gabriel Jesus as a top nine in my team, neither will you(I'm sure). That a team is consistent is what made them quality and that's on the coach
You say kante is the only midfielder in Chelsea team and that's because he is the only one dropping consistent displays, but if you delve deeply, kovacic was also giving that in the team, jorginho even tho he's like a weak link is still bringing ok displays. So that's on the coach. If you agree that tuchel is playing to his players strength and minimizing their weakness, same as Pep why then don't you think they deserve credit for making big their squad and also making them quality.

If tomorrow you people start consistently using Vdb, matic, bailey, lingard and all alongside your first 11, you'll find out that you have quality and depth as that of man city. Na so e be. I remember when zichenko and delph(midfielders) are playing full back position all the way to carrying league. People still call them quality depth. Today, nobody dey send delph for Everton

Na consistency be quality baba

Leyqute:
Chelsea is not even a good example of a team with good squad depth.

A good squad depth means more than enough quality players for a position.

Chelsea is thin in midfield. Very thin.

And their players aren’t of a higher quality than Pep’s.

I’m not saying Pep is terrible. He’s quite good. What I’m saying is that his quality squad papers over the cracks for him. A lot.

We all saw what happened in his first season when he was yet to get quality players in the position that matters most to him.

Lol, so kovacic, kante, jorginho, Barkley, RLC that's is just jostling for 2 positions is what you call thing. Let's check their wingbacks, Chillwell and Reece James in one position, and Alonso, Azpi in the other position is what you'll call thin? You're forgetting that Hudson odoi even play wing back on most occasions too.

I don't want to even talk about their front line that is highly rotated when all are fit with only Mount the untouchable there.

Even tho they might not be same quality with man city, but they're all quality. And one thing with league is that you don't necessarily have to beat man city to win the league and Chelsea where doing that quite well till injury struck both their first 11 and even the rotated players

Leyqute:
Jodera I for reply you better but I’m busy.

What you don’t realize is that a coach doesn’t determine his squad depth.

Sure, he can play them more often- but at what cost? Losing 3 games? Drawing 8 matches?

The truth is this:

The better your options, the more comfortable you’ll be at rotation.

City is the most rotated squad in the EPL. And that’s because the squad is filled with quality in every position - much more than any other team in the league.

Pep has an array of fantastic players to suit the style he loves to play. He depends heavily on wingers and AMs for his game plan to work. And he’s got loads of quality players in those positions.

Now, do other coaches have the same luxury? Do they have an array of quality players that fit into their game plan?

The answer is no.

While I'll be waiting for your better reply, let me answer this bolded.

You think other coaches don't have the same quality or is it that they don't trust the bench the way they trust their first 11? See tuchel is even highly rotating this season and Chelsea fans where all happy for the squad depth they had, all because tuchel made the depth active by trusting his bench and always rotating. If not for severe injury crises, they would have been better than they are. I don't want to imagine such high injuries to Liverpool, especially to star players at a very long duration. It's a different ball game winning one or two games with thin squad compared to playing with such a squad at a long duration. See Tsimikas, a very very good Lb, but how many game time is he seeing? If he's in man city and he's been rotated with their left back, we'll all be here reading how pep has good two quality and luxury Left backs in we'll all shout squad depth again

The day other coaches will trust all their players the way tuchel and pep does is the day we'll hear less noise about pep squad depth. Until then, let's give credit to whom credit is due

All these debates and opinions around here is very interesting to see and read.

Lemme drop my own.

1. For Auba to be stripped off his captaincy and he's not caused a rancour about it (yet), maybe they might have probably told him before that any disciplinary issue will see the armband taken off from him.

2. For those saying the club would have kept it on low, I don't think that will be possible. Remember this is arsenal captain we're talking about, and such thing can't be kept under the carpet. The best answer was what was given (disciplinary breach). No more no less.
Remember even Wenger didn't sweep under the carpet gallas issue then(someone correct me if I'm wrong)

3. As for the captainship, I'm never in support of giving odegaard and stripping lacazette off it. Why don't lacazette just see out this season. Maybe this cabal ish someone raised is true and maybe Arteta is trying to avoid that seeing how close laca and auba is. But to me, it isn't right one bit.

4.. Arteta and the board took a bold decision and no matter how we wanna look at it, they have a logical reason to do such which makes it right and it's not as if they're witch hunting auba. We should look at the message critically and not messenger.
For those saying if auba had been banging goals this season, Arteta wouldn't have done such. Well it'll will interest you to know that when auba was benched against Tottenham, he was in good form scoring 9 goals in the last 12games before Tottenham match. In fact, most of us here where surprised that day seeing auba on the bench and just wished laca luck after hearing the reason.
If Arteta can do it then, why then do we think he can't do it now?



Well, these are just the few points of mine

Godsofsoccer:
The most historical one was Liverpool vs Barca.
Salah was rested in Such an important and iconic match and yet they performed wonders.
City fans are jokes, very lame jokers.

Salah rested in a 2nd leg semi final match??

Come on man..

If they tell most coaches to coach man city, I bet you, most of this regular players won't see the kinda game time they're seeing.
Maybe foden will be benched for better for worse, Bernardo no go dey see match like dat, sterling go dey play 90min no matter how trashy he plays. Then immediately one or two get injury and they tell bench person like maybe gundogan to replace him, as he start giving inconsistent displays, we'll start hearing how finished gundogan is and that he should be sold.

And then, all the cycle repeats

Leyqute:
All these talks are unnecessary.

Your starting XI doesn’t determine if you’ll win the league or not, your squad depth does.

And City has that boku boku.

Last season VVD got injured and Liverpool started fighting for top 4.

If Salah gets injured now, e don be for them again.

You cannot say the same for City.

KDB has been injured all season but it hasn’t affected Pep. Now that he’s back, it’s almost certain that they’ll win the league again.

Cancelo missed the last game through suspension and Zinchenko easily slotted in.

No matter how you look at it, squad depth is the koko.

The best way forward is to compare quality OPTIONS for both managers. When you do this your your eyes shall be opened.

Pep guardiola is good no doubt, but it will be naive to put his success down to his supposed brilliance and ignore the array of talented players he has at his disposal.

All of you will talk about squad depth as if it's not guardiola that's making that depth active. In the midfield, the only untouchable was kdb wen fit, the rest from gundogan to rodri(aside the season) to Bernardo was mostly rotated even wen fit. His back 4 was mostly rotated pre Diaz aside the keeper. Let's don't even talk how highly rotated the front line is. And then you will think if one person get injury, it'll affect the team?

Let's take your man u as case study, you have vdb who is seeing 20min per match (4times a season), you have lingard who can do a job or two while coming on, but ole no go gree, matic nko, baily? Tuanzebe? . All your first 11 must be first 11 no matter how trashy they play. Liverpool nko, come rain come shine FSM trio must start(prior jota arrival), the back 4 must start. In fact even if the match no too necessary, back 5 and front three must start. In midfield, fabinho must start. That's just only 2 players been rotated o.

After all these, all of you will now be saying city have squad depth pass everybody and that he's a fraud

iamoyindamola:
Blueraydick just confirmed that was in feburary, i hope you are getting my point when i said arteta is an asshole
Right now, the only valid reason was because he came late but still meet up with training

The one of February is different from the one that surfaced days ago from the tattooist Instagram page, except of course he still posted the one of February on his insta page last week.

Well, in the coming weeks, we'll know all the real stories

LostMyZeal:
Where are those Messi has a natural talent bandwagonists

This doesn't look like something Don Carlo would say, but I'll take it cos na true

That you have an element of doubt that he said that is my true satisfaction.

I rise

iamoyindamola:
Jodera
All credible sources (BBC,skysports) reported him going to France to pick his mother, where did you guys get the tattoo case from
The only thing he did was not returning at the agreed time

This Una tattoo case is false and you are all judging him with it

Well, there's a picture that proved it that's why.

Anyways, I don't believe just coming late will make auba lose his captainship except there's something they're not telling us

Kbs468:
It's official

Odegaard captain and Tierney vice captain

Na wa oo. Even odegaard go shock sef

limcar:
i thought you supported arteta

I support the club.

Spy360:
I for say...

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iamoyindamola:
Jodera watch this

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXa99Gsg_BX/?utm_medium=copy_link

I don't know where this tattoo issue is really coming from

Lol.. You think Arteta will just bring up the tattoo issue, so that papers, journalist and bloggers will create unnecessary money this month? Even when auba missed TottenHam game, he didn't say it was traffic, it was arsenal news that leaked it(stuff like that must always leak).

Aside his issue with xhaka and Pepe brouhaha then and Willian favoritism, I think Arteta has been fair all these while.

mostob:
this settles it then. Auba is guilty as charged

very very guilty. Even me wasn't happy wen I saw the news

iamoyindamola:
No
He wasn't scoring as usual na, auba has never had it good with scoring since Arteta take over
No be Arteta that threw Pepe under the bus for a red card that we drew the game and pampered xhaka for a red that we lost

Lol... How can you forget so soon?? He was scoring consistently in the league that we finished 8th.. In fact, he was practically our only goalscorer then. And that wasn't enough, he topped it up with double goals in semi final and final in the fa cup.

You think arsenal will give him that big contract if he wasn't carrying our goal burden?

iamoyindamola:
I don't like Arteta from here to there
If he can honourably resign he will be my best man for life

Lol... That's everybody hope and prayer na

iamoyindamola:
Then thunder fire him for using his mama to lie
All these guys should just go before they infect the young ones with their stupidity

Lol, now you see say you don dey blame and insult Arteta for nothing??

Seeing as Auba got that tattoo, I just knew instantly that he fvckd up

iamoyindamola:
You still haven't address the main issue
He was to come back wednesday evening but returned on thursday in time for training, unless there is a training on wednesday evening punishing him is a stupid thing.
I also said if aubameyang was in form arteta won't do shiit that is the kind of man he is
Well both of them should fvck off my club

Lol... Auba was still giving us goals wen he was dropped against Tottenham for coming late. In auba's defence he said it was the traffic that held him up, but arteta was having none of it and started lacazette. So I still think you're wrong on the bolded

iamoyindamola:
Was there any evident he got tattoo

Yup. The person who did auba the tattoo (I read he's even a v.good and reputable tattooist) posted it on his Instagram.

iamoyindamola:
Exactly what about the tattoo case
Arteta is a big suspect

No, I'm actually talking about Auba here and not Arteta.

Look at it this way

At least there's evidence that he did tattoo. So what if he came back on Thurs morning with the tattoo in his body(abi hand) after saying he wants to visit his mother. Isn't that two offences he committed and not one pardonable offence( not keeping to his returning agreement and still getting a tattoo instead of being with your mother). In fact, if they want to take it far, they might even say he didn't even visit his mom at all, that he's just looking for excuse to do his tattoo stuff.

That tattoo spoilt everything to be honest, and if he gave the excuse about visiting his Mom then still got that tattoo, then that's even more grievous and if that's the case you shouldn't blame Arteta for being hypocritical.

kokanepyramid:
Charity begins at home,
na why Pepe no improve after all the coaching.

kokanepyramid:
Person wey need coaching on decision making is coaching another on decision making.

This life no balance true true.

Lol...
Boss but I thought decision making as a player is different from decision making as a coach na

iamoyindamola:
Untold story
Aubameyang took permission to pick his mother from France and was expected to be in UK by Wednesday evening.
But he came back on Thursday morning and still meet up for training but on arriving at the training he was told to go back home.

On aubameyang's part
It's almost known to Africans not to keep to agreement, he could have called if plan change
He's the club captain and should lead by example


On club/arteta's part
This Arteta has always portray himself as a good fella to the media whereas he's an asshole and a hypocrite
If aubameyang was in form I can bet my life this idiot won't give him any punishment
If he was around on Wednesday evening still training doesn't hold that time, he came back on Thursday morning and still meet up to training time
Come on!!!
My hatred for this Arteta just keep on increasing I hate pretenders

Lol, but why do I find this funny?...

So what about the tatoo case??

mostob:

I read that Arteta has personally conducted more than 20 private training session with him concerning his decision making and his first touch but he didn't show any sign of improvement.
With that his coconut head.

Lol... If you notice before, Arteta was always adamant that Pepe will come good but now he doesn't even talk pim about Pepe again. Baba have tried for him.

20 private sessions??
Nahh... Pepe no try

mostob:
How about Pepe as an auxiliary CF?

Arteta should give him a 'shoot on sight' order

Pepe ke? Once Pepe go nation's cup, dey should tell him to just dey him ivory coast for there

Lana1:

Lol.. You still carry the matter come here?

You and forgiveness na aliens?
Anybody wey dey tell you say you go make heaven laidis no like you oo

KingAlabi:
Arsenal dey sup

Lol.. Make dem dey sup dey go oo cos dem no serious. All the top 6 club get Ferrari coaches, we na still keke napep we dey hope on to gap dem

hoopLA:
Eyah.

Folks that were camping in the United thread are now reduced to two-worded posts.

This life no jus balance.

How can Arsenal fans be trolling even Okomu Oil,for any reason?

Now their ball boy coach is in the hot seat.

Lol.. Boss calm down na

Oh well..

KingAlabi:
Jodera my Gee how far now?

I dey oo boss.. Wetin dey sup na?