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popizaino:
Let me also ask you questions why can't Chelsea score more than 2goals against lowly 10men Burnley.

The day you realise that in football sometimes the unthinkable can happen like how we conceded to Burnley, how table topper man city in 2012 suddenly were fighting for their lives on the last day to QPR,like how this same man city will concede 3 goals to Sunderland at the etihad the better for you.

Even if they score 3 and Burnley equalise, you'll still ask why can't they score 4 or 5.

You're forgetting that it's the job of attackers is to put the ball in the back of the net while that of defence is not to concede. That's the balance Tim.bros is talking about

Your attack is doing their work by putting in at least two goals against a 10 man team. What then are the defence doing?

And you're blaming the attack. Come on na

popizaino:
Tell me the season they conceded 2 against QPR to later win? You know that of Sunderland was an outlier.

Shebi we settled that one initially.

I asked you to show me 5 results of such (or equivalent) scoreline that city played a high scoring match against midtable teams that season.

Just 5 out of 38 matches shouldn't be much for you

BlueRayDick:
One can decide to be pessimistic and call it bus parking , but an optimist will see it as a top coach having all the necessary answer to the tactics of another top coach .

Gbammm!!!

BlueRayDick:
I don't think he played for a draw, instead he played not to lose . He knew losing will be devastating and the only way to lose in that match is to try and open up to match city man to man.

Pep literally packed midfield with Rodri, Kovacic and De Bruyne with Foden and Bernado on the wings waiting to let fly and have a go at our Fullbacks. It was only normal for our own Wingers to always drop deep to help our full backs and frustrate Pep's game plan

That game was a tactical masterpiece . More like a chess game. If u noticed that Pep quickly observed he was getting beat at his own game , he had to bring in Doku and Graelish to further explore the wings since the midfield was getting choked ; Arteta had to introduce Tomiyasu for Kiwior who was getting bested and Trossard to stretch the city wings as well.

Arteta knew what he was doing and Pep knew what he was doing as well. Funny enough , out of the 3 teams competing for the leagues, Arsenal amassed the most point when they all faced each other

All what you said here is facts!! 100%

People no realise say Pep Mean us ystdy.
They were ready to bypass our press while suppressing us with their own press.
The press and counter press on us was too much that by 7-10min we were still trying to find our feet, if we'd played our game without the wingers helping the defence, we for too collect.
Maybe they thought we're playing midtable teams who aren't press resistance that we can press to submission

Arteta read that pep game well and neutralised his plan. Na just poor quality Infront of goal kill us

Lush100:
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Baba Arteta don dey mature.
U see that first half.
Thst is how city play when they meet a difficult opponent with good structure.
It Peps way of scoring one goal.
Arteta read it very well being his apprentice.
Especially KDB and Rodri....Rodri was the one that was pulling that play for Pep Bernado Siva providing the foil or decoy.
But rice Odegard and Jesus no allow that first half plan.
Sadly Jesus had an opportunity (second opportunity) which he did not take.

Pep controlled game but arsenal was more likely to score.
I no even dey fear Bayern with wetin we play Mancity.
So far as they can get Bayern vital details and tactic of play.

Yeah, Arteta really read the game well and the game plan was spot on. City were really frustrated.

Na Trossard miss naim pain me cos that was very very decisive. We miss Partey mehn. If fit Partey had start instead of Jorginho, we would have pulled that strings more.

Anyways, I'm not thinking about Bayern. It's one game at a time for me

Lush100:
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Arteta did not come for a draw he came with a plan.
The pressure will get to city as the clock goes.

Pep left the tactical game he was playing with Arteta in the first half to play ball in the second half.
Arteta wanted to win that match o.
Mancity is not Brentford.

Arteta wanted to strike in the last 15 minutes of the game.

Trossard did not do justice to the chance he had.
He could have passed. Or run more and passed.

You just talk exactly wetin dey my mind.
I didn't even see your response before I gave him mine.

If Havertz have been stingy first leg and made wrong decision too, we would have been here saying how Arteta came for a draw in the first leg

Spy360:
Partey na Baba na.
In the first half Arteta made the team to defend. In the second we came out to attack and press high.

I think that Arteta planned to draw that game. If he had risked it and come all out, we would have had a chance because we were more direct going forward that City was.

I don't think he decided to draw, to me, he decided not to lose.

We had a game plan, we had clear cut chances through the game plan. All we needed was taking the right decisions and be clinical, yet we weren't.

The big difference between first leg and this was that Havertz made the right decision by holding up the ball well and giving a good lay off to Martinelli for a one time shot.
Second leg, same opportunity presented itself but this time to Trossard but he was very very selfish (surprisingly unlike him) and refused to pass to Martinelli. Watching the highlight again, I found out Havertz made a blindside run and if the ball was passed to him it would have been a one on one, yet he ignored the run and went for the hardest of all goals.

That single moment was what caused us to draw this match instead of a possible win

timbros:
Thank God Jodera have seen the light. You are doing well.

Shame on Popizaino that an Arsenal fan will school him on his own team.

It's so clear.
Even Palmer was disappointed. He talked about consistency, I have a feeling he's talking about the defence cos it's really annoying

Vischy:
The emboldened are facts

It's just pure facts.

Nobody is saying the attack is good but give someone like Everton Two goals per match frequently and see if they'll not be higher up the table.

Luton for all their attacking verve and goals are stuck in relegation fight because of their defence.
Na so everyone dey clap for Leeds under bielsa that year . We clap sotey we dey clap dem enter relegation

popizaino:
Even if i give you 5,you will still ask for 15. So no need.

You're just running.
5 is a good number and it also goes to show it's not an outlier.

Man City can never be champions by that kinda scoreline frequently. Never!!!

Like Timb.ros says, you guys needs balance and I agree with him.

An attack scoring two goals per match is an okay attack(whereby the goals are always leading goals)

A defence conceding two goals per match is a bad defence. No sugar coating.

You guys are lacking balance.

The difference between Man U and you guys is just coordinated defence with respect to matches. Man u might play nonsense, yet win 1-0 or 2-1 against all these small teams, Una go do the same yet concede two goals per match occasionally. How Una no go dey 11th?

Even present Man city have won matches 1-0 twice abi thrice in a row. They're not waiting to concede just so to outscore their opponents reason they have one of the best defences in the league. If not, we for dey hear how Haaland big chances missed have been affecting them.

Tell me how Barca won their league last season. Na so so 1-0, 2-0


Balance!, balance!! balance!!!

popizaino:
Now we are getting somewhere.


Which of the goals conceded by Chelsea yesterday was caused by any of our defenders?

Not closing down Cullen early enough for the first goal.

While the second goal, that's just pure defence ish. No coordination.

The first one, I can give it a pass because it happens, the strike was good, but No way in hell should that second goal have happened with one Man down

daveP:
If Nelli took one extra touch against City during 1st leg, we for no get 4/6 by now. What's making it hilarious was that our very 1st shot by him, he was quick. Next thing, baba start drama cuts. They made that defense look too good.

Like, it's really annoying and most times unnecessary.
Someone needs to tell him that once he creates space for shot, Just take it!!

It's that simple

popizaino:
For those who want to make it seems it hasn't happened before conceding ridiculous number of goals by a big team to a weaker team here is your evidence. Thank God is about the same time.



31st March 2012.

Table topper man city conceded 3goals against Sunderland battling delegations and still won the league in the same season. What do you have to say @timbros

How many times did it happen frequently to city that season?
This to me is an outlier

Bring me 5 of this (or equivalent scoreline) against Man City that season and you'll have a good point.

City that season was keeping some good clean sheets . Lol

Popizaino, Watkins missed a big chance ystdy when they were up 1-0.

Yet they still won the match 2-0 and nobody is talking about Watkins miss. If their defence had stupidly caused goal now, we'll start hearing about how that first half miss by Watkins caused let them draw or lose.


You team can't be scoring 2 goals per match (and you guys led in all occasions) and you'll be blaming Attack. Sorry, I don't buy that.

Why the attack isn't that good, but two goals per match is very enough to take you guys up from the trenches.

You can blame attack all you want but that defence needs to be looked at presently. It's a low down ridiculous!!!

popizaino:
You can spilt hairs the way you want. The matter here is a top team and a weaker team and conceding more than one goal.

Did the top team concede more than a goal? Yes
Where they able to come back and win? Yes.

Did Chelsea concede more than a goal? Yes
Was Chelsea able to win? No.

Your answer lies in the reason why Chelsea was not able to win like other top team.

I wasn't going this path with you.
The part you quoted which I emphasized on is how ridiculous for Chelsea to be pegged back twice by a 10-men worst attack team in the division.

Any top team would never do that without the defence being criticized and that's to tell you how bad your defence Is ystdy.

popizaino:
You are not being honest with yourself asking me this question after all the examples i gave you.

Against Qpr : Man City was leading, Equalised.
Got a red card then scored a goal. Man City equalised back and one.
Man City wasn't pegged back TWICE even after a red card

Against Southampton: Man U led twice and didn't lose it. Moreover there's no red card


You don't seem to understand.

A top team been pegged back by a minnow who's one man down twice is just Ridiculous!!!!

There's no painting it. Even top teams with one Man down do win small teams sef how much more if it's the reverse

daveP:
If we get seasoned and experience ballers, this game would have gone our way regardless of the gameplan of the coach



Dem Torres
Dem Drogba
The Salahs and Benzemas


The kind of ballers that all they need no matter how disadvantaged against them is just a chance to make everyone forget about everything else. I hope that Trossard miss doesn't haunt the squad. He even had space to give Nelli. Another is that showboat prince. Guy just bury the ball. This is not Burnley or Sheffield United. Shuu.

GJ deh vex person most times.

Just shoot ball, no, he's expecting everywhere to be clear as if na monkey post.

I don't know whether deflected shot goal no dey happen for him village

Kimbeast:
You are even admitting what have been saying. You went ultra defensive because Arteta didn't trust his team to go head to head with City at the Etihad unlike in previous matches last season and earlier this season when Arsenal took the game to them.

Yeah... I've already admitted since but I was telling you WHY.

You're ignoring the specifics while calling Arteta coward which is what I'm against

Kimbeast:
You went to Anfield this season and took the game to Liverpool and that's a scarier ground than Etihad.

The first leg was 10 times better than what Arsenal served today. Arteta set up today was cowardly which made the game boring.

The first leg was 10x better but it was still boring!!!!!
Man City without Kdb and Rodri and you think we won't take the game to them at our home?
That there would have been the definition of cowardice.


Second leg have Rodri and Kdb in midfield and you want us to play our game at Etihad without watching our backs?

Na you try pass

NB: Anfield or no anfield, a Midfield of endo, Jones and Szobo, while an attack of Gakpo and Diaz, there's no way we won't take the game yi them. Can't compare it to Kdb, Rodri, Silva and Haaland one bit

popizaino:
Did Mancini set up man city to concede against QPR in 2012? This is a team with similar or worse attack than this present Burnley but what was the final score?

Van Persie's first hattrick with man united,did SAF set his team to concede first against newly promoted Southampton or so?

I don't want to dig deeper but this is not the first time that weaker teams might surprised the big team to score out of no where until there is a certain moments of brilliant from the big team to take the win.

Which of these examples you gave whereby a top team was pegged back TWICE by the smaller club?

Small team can score from nowhere, it happens; it's football. But pegged back TWICE against one of the weakest attack in the league with over 45min of play..??

I will be glad if you show me an example.

Kimbeast:
You don't need to lie just to defend Arteta tactics today.


All your matches last season was interesting. The community shield and the reverse fixture was also good because Arsenal didn't respect city and went for it unlike today.

Community shield: possession was 55% to city and 45% to Arsenal. Passes were 590 to City and 485 to Arsenal.

First leg: Possession was 49% to Arsenal and 51% to City. Passes were 500 to Arsenal and 521 to city.

Today fixture: Possession was 73% to City and 27% to Arsenal. Passes were 700 to City and 265 to Arsenal.

That says it all.

What is the ish really?
Is it that the game is boring or that arsenal possession was low?

Cos if it's that the game that's boring you're arguing for, I can bring you receipts of posters here who claimed that the first leg was really boring even though we won


And it's only Naivety that will make you think that we'll go to Etihad and take the game to them.
Well, you're neutral, you don't care about the specifics. It's not your fault

popizaino:
Games like this are bound to happen especially when the season is about to end. It is why we have Aguero moments in the game. It happened to you guys in the last couple of seasons and i can't remember who came to your rescue and no one blamed your defense.

I never remembered any match that happened like this against us last season and I would be too livid if it happens against us either last season or this season

I know this attack and defence argument is heating up but on Ystdy game timbr.os is right.

Burnley have the worst attack in the league, they're down to 10men by 45 mins and you guys led twice. There's no way in hell defence shouldn't be held responsible.

That's just ridiculous!!

Realtord43:
That match was one of the most exciting and interesting match you could ever see in the premier League this season


Arsenal today came to steal just ONE point

And steal we did.

Thank youuu

Kimbeast:
This is the reason I said you Arsenal fans are just being defensive for no reason. To us neutrals the Koko is an attacking game of football which we didn't get thanks to Arteta Cowardice. The game was a borefest. No one said you shouldn't be happy with your point so don't tell us not to be disappointed with that eyesore.

Okayy, then I will tell you for free.

Anytime you see arsenal Vs Man City (at least under Guardiola), don't bother watching cos it'll always be a borefest.

Community shield and First leg should give you that hint. Us winning teams 4 and 5 Nils won't change that

Free advice so that next time you won't be disappointed

I remember 2019 Liverpool UCL win, how people were saying it's one of the most boring finals and how Liverpool made it boring. They've forgotten about the interesting games they did with Barca, Porto and others.

No be everytime teams suppose dey make game interesting. We don interesting since January 1st. Make Una use am hold body. Presently now we dey Easter break

By Wednesday hopefully we go resume

Kimbeast:
This excuse doesn't make any sense. All your games last season was exciting when Arteta played his normal game. Even the reverse fixture was 10 times better than the borefest we watched today because Arsenal took the game to City. It's obvious Arteta didn't trust his team to go head to head with city so decided to focus on just being defensive and stopping City.

And what was the scoreline in both cases?

At the end of the day, we were the one ridiculed after the "interesting" game. We were called all sort of names.

If you think we won't learn from experience instead of going gung ho everytime we meet man city, then it means we're not learning enough.

We have 18 teams to play the interesting game with, so let's leave Man City out of it. Afterall I remember most pundits saying if we'd just been compact last season and not lost twice, maybe we'd have been champions.

The Koko is the result

iamoyindamola:
I know na
You will think city have 500 shots to arsenal 1 ni
One team is passing around the other is pressing but na bus parking

Btw our ladies collect one of the trophy from their ladies today

Cc bluem.ann wetin happen na

Niceee...
Quadruple dream is over.

Kimbeast:
Liverpool vs City that was end to end. You will know two heavyweights were playing a game of football. Today was a borefest with one team refusing to play their normal game. Arteta was a coward today.

The kind of play MCI Vs Liv and MCI Vs Ars is playing are two different games. How you guys aren't seeing it is what I don't understand.

Liverpool is always ghen ghen and swift counter so any game against Man city or arsenal will always be interesting.

Meanwhile Man City and Arsenal are known for control and territorial domination. Same style of play. Any of the team who gains possession, the other will retreat and this makes for a boring game. First leg, the reverse was the case as arsenal was mostly dominating while Man City retreated.

Anybody expecting end to end with Man city/Ars haven't observed enough.

If we are both ghen ghen, then the game would have been interesting

Realtord43:
do you actually watch that match?

Match wey Man City retreat that even Pep have to sub out Kdb?

And that's at anfield oo.

iamoyindamola:
Fir our house we beat them
For their domot we restrict them but our pundits they cry
Nawa o

You'll think most of them mean well.
All what most of them want na make we collect you that dey go see trolling do

Dem dey hide under "cowardice"

Realtord43:
But playing cowardice against your title challenger won't win you the league!

Lol, you don start again.

Why Una no talk this nonsense last 2 weeks when Man city played Liverpool and they played cowardice?

E reach our turn, Una don Sabi English

Lmaooo...
Una dey expect us to open body make dem give us woto woto again so that you guys can gloat by saying we know it's normal assanal at Etihad. Shebi??

We go cowardice well well, those wey no cowardice make dem go collect 4pts from Man city.

All the entertaining football wey we don dish out this year, make Una use am hold body.
Sorry if the cowardice and borefest for today match touch una

Kpele oo