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CAPTIVATOR:
Malek In Malachi 3:1 Is Not Signifyin A Prophet, teacher or doctor But ANGEL

It's all been explained to you and you cannot see it at all.

Lets solve this first .... Then we proceed .

Why do you think I want to proceed with you
I don't help those who reject scriptures
I have said that more than once
I will just continue to show up some of your wrongs
for the benefit of others.

aaronson:
To deal with a dude like me you gotta be logical and synchronize that to your cyber body language,now reason I detected you wasn't joking but antagonazing me is when you quoted my previous posts in other thread to suit the purpose of your question here but quess what?

If I hadn't quoted your previous posts
then my line would not have been funny

aaronson: I aint bragging but I know am able to disable you mentally.

No of course you are not bragging

aaronson: its a popular known fact that atheists has a higher iq then them believers.

I easily outdo and outsmart other people

I know am able to disable you mentally

If you don't believe what I say
then you cannot disable me mentally
but only fool yourself

aaronson: I detected you wasn't joking but antagonazing me

aaronson:
Am glad,I just happen to identify somebody who can't sense the difference between sarcasm and straight talk.

I knew it was sarcasm
but you didn't know I was joking

aaronson: its a popular known fact that atheists has a higher iq then them believers.

I easily outdo and outsmart other people

Yet you don't even know if spiderman actually married maryjane

atheists can't even do humour

I'll wait for more input

The fruit on the tree could have been literal fruit, not necessarily apple though
I don't believe it was sex, I have seen strange teachings on that by, If I remember correctly Arnold Murray, I don't believe it, and he says a lot of other strange things also.

CAPTIVATOR:
delete the english word messenger in matt 11:10 and u will see John d baptist been called an " angelos" !


Angel/messenger is an assignment delegated to i) a spirit messenger ii) a human messenger

1) is Jesus a spirit messenger of God ?

2) What are spirit MESSENGERS of God Called ?

The Greek word is "aggelos", ang-el-os is how it's pronounced,
and it can mean angel, and like it's Hebrew equivelant "malek" can mean other titles as well,
Prophet being one of them, which john the Baptist was.

Yout trying to make Jesus Christ out to be a Angel because somewhere messenger was used to describe Him is ridiculous, and it's because you are jw and your doctrine comes before truth, which is evident in your posts.

davien:
Someone has seen Eric hovinds "seminars"....you're a creationist? Or do you just follow his(Eric hovind) apologetic?

I haven't heard of him before
I'm a Christian
I believe in creation.

CAPTIVATOR:
^^
-- What are heavenly MESSENGERS of God called ? ANGEL

-- Is Jesus an heavenly messenger from God ? YES, Malachi 3:1

-- so , what are heavenly Messengers of God called ?

It has all been explained, and with scriptures
but you have been blinded through your unbelief.

For others:
angel is one of the titles messenger means
some other titles that messenger means are:
prophet, priest, teacher, ambassador, king

It is interisting that in the Bible Jesus is called
a prophet, a priest, a teacher, and a king
but Jesus is not called in the Bible an angel.

And of course John the Baptist who is called a messenger in Malachi 3:1 also
is not called an angel in the Bible either
but he is called a prophet.

JMAN05:
2. Read 1Thes 4:16

A. From that portion, who do u think is the archangel? If that archangel is not Jesus, why would Jesus, your almighty God, use the voice of a lesser creature to resurrect the dead? Is Jesus voice powerless?

B. Whose voice is spoken of as the one that will resurrect the dead at john 5:28?

Why did Jesus use His Angel to give Revelation to John
It is not to ask why
it is to believe God's scriptures.

Secondly, read verse 9, see where it says "God, ur God anointed you". Now, if he is God as u posit, how can God have a God? And who can ever anoint God? How can u even anoint him when he is the holy spirit himself?

God calls the Word God
and the Word call God, God
because God and the Word is God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And why wouldn't they call each other God and anoint, when they delight in each other.

Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

God and the Word, two persons in One God, believe the scriptures.....or not.

enilove:
I pray that you do not miss the right way .If what you do or think is that people can search for bible version that agrees with them , then you are not yet a Christian .

Truly, there are Bible versions that contradict with other bible versions, and some people do seek them out because they have some verses translated that agree with their false beliefs.

For instance the KJV Bible for John 1:1 says:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [size=14pt]was God[/size].

The NWT Bible says:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [size=14pt]was a god[/size].

The bible does not contradicts itself .

I agree, but man in some instances changes what the Bible says.

People can make mistake but not God .

I agree.

There are things you read that can have multiple meanings ,which can only be explained by the Holy Spirit .

True.

But some are direct and with no ambiguities for you to know

I agree.

Such as :
Hebrews 1:5-10 KJV
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. [7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. [8] But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. [10] And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

The verse 5 above should make you to understand that Jesus is not an angel .

yes I understand that.

Angels are not to be worshipped

No they are not.

as can be seen in :
Revelation 19:10-16 KJV
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. [11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

The verse 10 above tells us that angels are not to be worshipped. The verse below shows that Jesus is worshipped in heaven even by the 24 Elders in heaven.
If Paul was cautioned by the angel from worshipping the angels ,why would the 24 elders disobey the rule and worship Jesus ,if he were an angel[quote]Yes I agree, Angels are not to be worshipped, and Jesus is not an Angel.


[quote]as shown below:
Revelation 5:8-14 KJV
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. [9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; [10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. [11] And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; [12] Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. [13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. [14] And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

We can see ,as well what is written in d verses below that Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .

Yes Jesus is the only begotten son of God.

John 3:16-18 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

THERE MANY ANGELS BUT ONLY ONE SON OF GOD.

Only One Begotten Son of God, yes indeed.

I am wondering why you posted all of this to me though.

By the way I am a Christian, but it doesn't matter to me if some don't think so.

then you are not yet a Christian

CAPTIVATOR:
U ar feelin the sting of truth ... Emotional outburst here and there .

You almost have it,
not, Emotional outburst here and there, but, truth here and there

Contrary to ur words in quote , U declare openly that malak can be used for angel . TRUE OR FALSE !

But in other to close ur eyes to truth .. U deceitly decide not to bold the word angel . And went on to say , the word malak can signify many things apart from " angel" .

My saying malik can mean angel and other things also, is the truth

I never said Jesus Christ is an Angel, and you cannot even admit you lied when shown conclusively.

your twisting is the same as your lying

DOES THE GREEK SCRIPTURE SUPPORT UR HERESY ? no

In matt 11:10 the exact greek word for ANGEL , angelos is used while quoting this same malachi 3:1 , malak was subtituted with greek angelos NOT prophet or doctor !

TRUTH IS LIGHT

Angelos simply means " messenger" .

The english word for angel was derived from angelos . Meaning an angel.

John the Baptist was called a messenger too, but he is not an Angel

You twist away in confusion and haven't a clue.

Appleyard:
hahahahhahahahaha....


Thus, unto what were ye trinitarians baptized?

because before you can talk of someone not knowing Jesus, you should first check your own end.

For if you are baptized in the name of father, son and holy spirit, then you are not even in Christ at the first place...

So, are we ready, Mr Johnw?.. Cos this is also central to the Godhead, and so, you can take it as A SUB-TOPIC....

see yah!

No joke!:|

Mat_28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

It was Jesus Christ who said to baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
appleyard said if you are baptized in the name of the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit then you are not even in Christ at the first place...

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

You appleyard are found a liar in nearly every one of your posts.

Appleyard:
Another fact!

JESUS CHRIST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

Hahhahahahahahaha !

Oh, Glorious God!

.One being all the time! What a Mystery!

Much of what you call facts is just your delusion.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. Jehovah said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.

Jehovah God, said to the Word Jesus Christ, sit at my right hand...

Appleyard:
I will only answer you, only on this case, because, our salvation is very important, than our inability to cope with all the scriptural facts that have provided themselves so far.
And if at the end people like we can't get this to heart, it will mean God will have to give us more of his grace.

Now, let the scriptures again interprete themselves.

Mathew28vs19.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Now, like i said earlier, this is very central to the Godhead issue, and it is good that we should hear from the scriptures themselves, and let God alone guide us into all truth.

Now from what we just read, shortly after Christ was Risen, and before He was to ascend, He gave a grand command to the disciples, for the purpose of SALVATION, and that command is very vital to the spiritual life of every believer; in the sense that, it shows if you agree or disagree with the Gospel of Christ (His death and resurrection.)
And this command is BAPTISM! (mark.16vs16)

Thus, in giving this commandment, the Lord Jesus, who can not Lie, said, 'go and baptize them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,

Is such directive not as simple as it is? Is it not as straight forward as it is? Of course so..

But behold the shocker!
The Disciples cum Apostles NEVER DID BAPTIZED ANYONE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Jesus!

Why?

Are they not been disobedient? Why did they carry out another formula? Why why why?

Remember the promised Holy Spirit that was to guide them into all truth, which actually came in Acts 2?
Then how come that after recieving the Holy Ghost, they didnt keep to the command as stated in Math,28vs19? Or was something wrong somwhere?

Lets see through Math.28vs19:

Lets get it clear!

He didnt say; ' in the NAMES of father, son, and Holy Spirit, neither did he said, 'in the Name of the Father, name of the Son, and name of the Holy Ghost.

Now WATCH IT;

He said, in the Name (not Names) of the Father -(is father a name?) and of the Son-(is Son a name?) and of the Holy Ghost-(is Holy Ghost a name?)

what does it tells you? It means, in the Name of the Father-(The Father has a name), and of the Son (the Son has a name) and of the Holy Ghost (the Holy Ghost has a name).

Now, what is the Name of the Father? Is it Joseph? No. For He was not formed by his sperm. Did He gave a name to Himself? No. Then what was the name? John5vs43--I COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME- what is the name, and where did it come from?-Luke.1vs30-31- the name is from above the name is Jesus. Thus since He had no other name he is bearing, He then is bearing the name of the father-JESUS!

THE NAME OF THE SON-thus, is same as above-JESUS!

What is the name of the Holy Spirit? John.14vs26--the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in My NAME--(He bever said by my name),Thus, the Name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS!

Did you get that now? No wonder the Apostles never baptized anyone in the WHOLE BIBLE by the dictates of Math.28vs19, for they correctly understood, by the Holy Ghost that came upon them on pentecost, that Father, Son; and Holy Ghost are titles of a NAME called- THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! Thus, they baptized everyone in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

They were not disobedient to Jesus regarding math.28vs19.
The Holy Spirit actually led them to the truth:

Acts 2vs1-38,41
Acts 10vs47-48
even them that baptized wrongly previously were rebaptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19vs1-6.

And the rest went without any mention of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:

ActS 8vs36-39,
Acts 9vs17-18,
Acts 16vs13-15,
Acts 18vs8,
Acts 22vs16.

And we are baptized into Christ, (not father son and spirit)- Gal. 3vs27.

Because we have One Faith, One Lord,One Baptism-- Eph.4vs5.

In line with the directives in Colosians 3vs17.

The Holy Spirit the Disciples recieved in Acts 2 could'nt have led them astray. Saying that would be blasphemous. Rather, It thought them all things as promised.

Thus, the Name Lord Jesus, is the perfect Name for the Name Demanded in Mathew 28vs19.

One Great Entity all The Time.

Thank you all.

You go to great lengths to twist scripture into saying something else
apparently Jesus instruction to baptise in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit was wrong according to you,
and so the disciples-apostles changed it you say
your attempt is very weak, but it is in fact evil to reject and change scriptures as you do.
The verse means exactly what Jesus Christ said.


Mat_28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Appleyard:
And much of what you called delusions are as a results of scriptures countering a satanic doctrine that has become part of you;

That's just a very weak way of rejecting Psalm 110:1 isn't it?
of being unable to reply to it's truth isn't it?
and instead you prefer to continue accusing and holding onto lies, don't you?

johnw74: Much of what you call facts is just your delusion.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. Jehovah said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.

Jehovah God, said to the Word Jesus Christ, sit at my right hand...

coupled with your inability to to accept that you have been misled in worshiping what you dont know..

lies, lies. lies,
right down the page
post after post
page after page

I'm very happy to announce I worship the Father of my Lord Jesus Christ
and I know Him
more importantly He knows me

He doesn't know habitual liars
His Spirit of course is not in them
is why they continually lie.

Appleyard:
Another problem i see that some of us here have, is inconsistency.
Like our brother Johnw74,

I will make it clear, I am a Christian and not a brother to evil.

when faced with certain facts, he denied that he never argued on God's unlimited presence and capability to do different things at one time, but when same scriptures now speaks and extablished the Almighty's power of Omnipresence and outright ability to do two different things at the same time, he won't accept any of it.

Of course you didn't post quotes to those lies of yours did you?
for they do not exist do they?
satan is also the father of liars, isn't he?

bingbagbo:
interesting....that proverbs 8 is one of the cults called jws favourite verses

you are a jw!!!

Deluded, you have nothing so you accuse falsely,
the devil is the father of false accusers.

u preach Christ was created contrary to collosians 1:16, John 1:1, Hebrews 1:7-12

I'm not a preacher, and have never said Christ was created, the lies from Bible scripture rejectors are never ending.

i weep for you

What a lot of bull

CAPTIVATOR:
On this point , its very clear that angel of the covenant in Malachi 3:1 is Jesus Christ which johnw74 also testifies to

johnw74 did not testify that Jesus Christ is an angel, a blatant lie,
jw shows over and over that lying is natural to them.


quote: johnw74

The Hebrew word "malek" is used for more than angel


Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: (Jesus Christ) behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

The word messenger is used twice in that verse,
firstly for John the Baptist, and you have no problem with that,
but when messenger is used for Jesus Christ, you say it means angel.

The Hebrew word for messenger is "malek" and it can be used for angel, it can also be used for:
deputy, prophet, priest, teacher, ambassador, king,

Those titles suit Jesus more than they do an angel.



H4397

מַלְאָךְ
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.
Total KJV occurrences: 213

Angel is one out of 10 types of persons named there that malak can be used for.

jw lied even yet again.

Appleyard:
Thank you.. I love people who bring facts, and not repetition upon repetitions.

Now, in explaining this verse and what happened therein, we must first try to figure who is that sitting on the throne? What are the characteristics that it is the same being sitting on the throne?

Lets go!

In Ezekiel 1vs1-28, we saw the prophet describing his vision of God's throne and His appearance. Things like the four beasts, the fire and brightness, the bow over as it were in the day of rain (he was describing a rainbow), and in vs28, he confirmrd that He was seeing the appearance of the Lord himself.
In other words, Ezekiel saw a vision of God's throne. The appearance of Jehovah God.

Have that in mind.

Now, in Rev.4vs1-11, John was describing the same scenario, only that this time, he was seeing heaven and its settings, in clearer view. But the similarities with that of Ezekiel was visible: the four beasts, the brightness, the rainbow, etc.
Then He that sat on the throne was confirmed in vs8, to be the LORD GOD ALMITHY.

Now, we have established that He that sat on the throne is the Almighty God Himself, and none else. Good.

And we must let this FACT stick in:
it is that, we can have 'Might' and many of it, we can have 'Mighty' and many of it, But we can never and Never have ''Almighty'' and another of it, not to talk of many of it. For you can only have one Almighty at a time. And that is the truth!

Now, in Rev.5, there was the book which no man in heaven nor on earth could open. And this book was in the hand of the Almighty God that sat on the throne in Chapter4, but suddenly, a Lamb stood, went and took the book from Him that sat on the throne.

So, who is this Lamb? Lets see.

John.1vs29,

John seeing Jesus said,
..'Behold the LAMB of God, which taketh away the sins of the world..''

what does this mean? It meant that the Lamb that took the book from He that Sat on the throne is JESUS! Is that right? Of course so.

Now, over to Rev.1vs7 down

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the AIMIGHTY.

WHAAAAAAT!

Who was pierced? Who is coming in clouds? None else but JESUS! Which is' (being spoken of all over the globe), 'which was' (made manifest in the flesh, and slain), 'and Is to' (come with vegeance and judgement upon the earth-the 2nd coming)

AND HE IS THE ALMIGHTY!

Oh glorious God!

Over to Rev.4vs8-

--Holy, Holy Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was ( Manifested in the flesh, seen of Angels, died), which is, (risen and is alife), and is to come (the 2nd coming)

hahahahahah! If God is distinct, Jesus is distinct, then who is coming?

Oh mighty God!

Gboom!

He that Sat on the throne is Jesus, the Lamb that took the book is Jesus! Hahahahahhaah.
YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO ALMIGHTY at the SAME TIME! Except English has lost it meaning!

Oh wonderful! He is OMNIPRESENT: and can Act two different things at One time, or can be at two different places at the SAME TIME.

You don't mean it?

Yeah! He has done it before:

Nehemiah 9:13

13 Thou camest down also upon MOUNT SINAI, and SPAKEST with them FROM HEAVEN,--

GOD came DOWN upon MOUNT SINAI, and AT THE SAME, HE WAS SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN.

Can you beat that?

He dd'nt stop there:

John 3:13.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, even the SON OF MAN which is in HEAVEN.

Did you get that?

Who came down from HEAVEN? JESUS! Who is the SON OF MAN? JESUS! Where was He when making that statement? EARTH!
But where did He say the SON OF MAN is at that moment? HEAVEN!

HAHAHA!.Omnipresent God!

That is your God acting two different things At the Same Time, and In Two Different Places at the same Time.

The Almighty!

One Absolute all the Time!

By their many words they try to convince you they know it.


The Almighty is God

God, is God and the Word
God, is the Father and the Son

The Father is Almighty God
the Word is Almighty God, as the Father and the Word is God.
God is One God, One Spirit
God is two persons in the beginning

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

I post them again for others, as you reject God's Word and so are lost, for now anyway.

Once persons reject God's Bible Scriptures, like you and like bingbagbo and like jw,
I no longer try showing them Truth,
except sometimes showing up their wrongs for the benefit of others.
I'm sure I will be busy showing up some of your wrongs, as I have been already.

Appleyard: ......only that there are no more circles you can run around....

The problem is, they kept running in circles,

you are truely good in repetition.

Your confusion is speaking louder and louder.

if you are going to continue running in circles of repetitions upon repetions,

That's just from this page,

you Copy Cat, steal what I have truthfully said to you.

It's showing to be impossible for those holding onto false beliefs to be truthful,

I say to you in truth, and you copy cat in lies.

But then you have nothing else.

Just having an input here without knowing much about it.

There are three heavens mentioned in the Bible,
the first is our atmosphere where the birds fly,
the second is space where the planets are,
the third is where God lives.

In the Bible it says something like the Sun rises in the morning,
but that is the way of speaking, the easy way of saying it,
the sun doesn't actually rise, the Earth turns.

However with the Sun being stationary in our-it's own solar system and all the planets circling it, this solar system is moving in the galaxy.

Really, Google it.

Appleyard:

blah bah blah .....................

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blah blah blah.....................

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blah





And so it goes right down the page, post after post.


Mat_6:7 But when you pray, do not babble vain words, as the nations. For they think that in their much speaking they shall be heard.

It could also be said, in their very many words of babble, they think they fool you.

Appleyard:
hahahahhahahahaha....

And we have shown with
scriptures that Jesus is the Father, so we lie not, other than you failed to understand.

It's impossible to show with scripture that the Son is the Father,
it is possible however to show that the Son is God who is One with the Father as shown in these scriptures that you reject.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was [size=14pt]with[/size] God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

Thus, unto what were ye trinitarians baptized?

because before you can talk of someone not knowing Jesus, you should first check your own end.

For if you are baptized in the name of father, son and holy spirit, then you are not even in Christ at the first place...

So, are we ready, Mr Johnw?.. Cos this is also central to the Godhead, and so, you can take it as A SUB-TOPIC....

see yah!

No joke!:|

Mat_28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

Appleyard:
And you didnt include the numerous posts and scriptures i cited previously, where GOD was acting two things at the same time, Or you didnt remember?:

you are truely good in repetition.
For we've treated this before.

That's one way to avoid answering
answer my posts, instead of twisting and changing the subject

johnw74: You don't believe the scriptures showing God is more than one Person.

just some:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Spirit came down in a bodily shape, like a dove on Him. And a voice came from Heaven, which said, You ar[/b]e My Son, the Beloved; I am delighted [b]in You.

There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit together at the same time.

The same repeated issue we've thrashed before

Again you don't answer but carry on with something else.

johnw74: Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever,

Jesus said He will pray the Father to give the Holy Spirit,
that's three persons there.

He that went away is He that came back again

No, Jesus said: "but if i depart I will send Him to you"
Jesus didn't say "but if I depart I will come back to you"

johnw74: Joh_16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you. But if I depart, I will send Him to you.

Appleyard:
Another fact!

JESUS CHRIST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

Hahhahahahahahaha !

Oh, Glorious God!

.One being all the time! What a Mystery!

Much of what you call facts is just your delusion.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. Jehovah said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.

Jehovah God, said to the Word Jesus Christ, sit at my right hand...

CAPTIVATOR:
Swallow this truth bro .

Malachi 3:1
Douay-Rheims Bible

Behold I send my angel, and he shall
prepare the way before my face. And
presently the Lord, whom you seek, and
The angel of the testament , whom you
desire, shall come to his temple. Behold
he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts


Darby Bible Translation

Behold, I send my messenger, and he
shall prepare the way before me; and
the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly
Come to his temple, and the Angel of
the covenant , whom ye delight in:
behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of
hosts.

Anyone can search for a bible version that agrees with them,
but we search for the Truth.

Clardo:
@ op ur ignorance about christianity is very clear did u know that many pagans hv embraced christianity due to devotion to the 'queen of heaven' i can personally tell u that saying the rosary has help me to stop many bad habits so pls stop this nonsense

How is saying the rosary, saying the hail mary over and over again talking personally to God?
Prayer is to God not to anyone else, Mary is still awaiting the resurrection as are all those who died in Christ.

Mat_6:7 But when you pray, do not babble vain words, as the nations. For they think that in their much speaking they shall be heard.

Mat_6:6 But you, when you pray, enter into your room. And shutting your door, pray to your Father in secret; and your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.

Empiree:
sorry, your theory is boloney

Don't let it bother you,
get some beauty sleep,
sleep for about a year should do it.

They say fish is good brain food,
try eating a whale.

ayoku777:
Thanks for this verse. I was searching for it in my word search. But couldn't remember how it was phrased.

The verse embosses the explanation I was trying to say; that just because someone is called a messenger doesn't mean the person is specifically an angel.

John the baptist was called a messenger here just like Jesus; even though its clear John is not an angel.

The term angel is specific to a group of certain spirit beings of which Jesus and man don't belong; even though Jesus and men could be sent of the Father with a message.

Trying to call Jesus and John angels is really far-fetched and desperate; it almost looks sinister.

Jesus is God; and the writer of Hebrew made His difference from angels and His superiority to them obvious beyond argument.

Thanks again.

Pleasure, God said He has never said to an angel "Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee" to make it clear for all,
but some don't believe the bible when it goes against their false beliefs,
and they change the meanings of verses.

Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

CAPTIVATOR:
Very good! ..... The bold says it ALL

You are blind to anything there other than the word angel.

You tampered with my own quote changing what I posted,
so dishonest, but in keeping with jw practices.