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JMAN05:
Just ignore them with there lies.

The lies are yours,

"This culminated in 2012 with the case Candice Jane Doe vs Watchtower, with Watchtower losing a record judgement of $28 million dollars.",

read the article.

Watchtower Child Abuse Policies
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/about-jwfacts.php

Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?

bingbagbo posts this verse and thinks it proves that Jesus is the Father,
While the very next verse, Jesus say's that the Father dwells in Him, that is the Fathers Spirit dwells in Him.

Joh 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works.

With the Father God and the Word Jesus being God they have the same Spirit, they are the One God but diffrent persons.

If you have seen Jesus then you have seen the Father because Jesus is exactly like Him.

Heb 1:1 God, who at many times and in many ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds,
Heb 1:3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the word of His power, through Himself cleansing of our sins, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high,

bing like jw and many others, disbelieve the scriptures that go against their own false doctrines, and change their meanings, and mock laugh about it, to their own doom.

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Governing Body

The Watchtower claims to structure its leadership hierarchy after a model set by a first century, Christian governing body. However, the term "governing body" does not appear in the New Testament. Neither does the concept of a small, centralised group of leaders.
Watchtower Jehovah's Witness Governing Body 2007
Governing Body 2007

First Century Governing Body?

Jehovah's Witnesses are strongly controlled by a central leadership, known as the Governing Body. They are said to be appointed by holy spirit, and pass on instructions from Jehovah and Jesus.

"However, the Governing Body are appointed through the holy spirit under the direction of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ." Watchtower 1990 Mar 15 p.18
"These overseers faithfully seek to apply instructions received from Jehovah God and Jesus Christ by means of the faithful and discreet slave and its Governing Body." Watchtower 1990 Mar 15 p.20
"Christ thus leads the congregation by means of the spirit-anointed "faithful and discreet slave" and its Governing Body." Examining the Scriptures Daily 2007 p.34
Continue reading...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/governing-body.php

Below is Governing body 2007

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Faithful and Discreet Slave

The parable of the faithful and discreet slave is used by the Watchtower Governing Body to justify that they have been appointed by God to lead his people, since 1919.
Matthew 24:45-47 "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings."
This simple parable defines Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus' question is fundamental to the existence and structure of the religion and is its foundation Scripture. From it extends the concept that in 1919 God chose the leaders of the Watchtower Society as his sole source of truth and henceforth justify why Jehovah's Witnesses need to submit unquestioningly to the Watchtower Governing Body.
Continue reading...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/faithful-discreet-slave.php

bingbagbo:


my soul is not a person, my flesh is not a person.......i am a person

You are another who like jw rejects and changes the meaning of scriptures, to your peril.

Those who reject and change what is written in the Bible will be thrown into the lake of fire.

These revelation verses do not concern only the book of Revelation but the whole bible.

Rev 22:18 For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book.
Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.

Deu 4:2 You shall not add to the Word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, so that you may keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I command you.

Deu 12:32 All the things I command you, be careful to do it. You shall not add to it, nor take away from it.

Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.



Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

"The LORD possessed me in the beginning"
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God"

In the beginning there were two persons in One God.

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Directed by Holy Spirit

Watchtower claims direction by God's holy spirit in formulating doctrine, appointing brothers, and disfellowshipping people. This is proven false by incorrect doctrine, and brothers appointed whilst engaged in gross sin.
An earthly organization that audaciously claims a monopoly over salvation must provide justification of a direct link with God. The Watchtower Society does this by claiming guidance by Holy Spirit.

"They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things." Proclaimers p.626
"Under the guidance of his holy spirit and on the basis of his Word of truth, Jehovah provides what is needed so that all of God's people may be "fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" and remain "stabilized in the faith." (1 Cor. 1:10; Col. 2:6, 7) Surely we are grateful for Jehovah's spiritual provisions in these last days. Thus, "the faithful and discreet slave" does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight." Kingdom Ministry Sep 2007 US Edition
Continue reading...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/directed-by-holy-spirit.php

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How 1919 is Derived

Portentous emphasis is placed on 1919, this being the year that Jesus is said to have chosen Watchtower and its Governing Body to represent him on earth. Yet, the minimal Scriptural backing Watchtower uses to support this year is both flimsy and illogical.
"Similarly, starting in 1919, Jehovah brought forth the seed of the woman as a spiritual nation." Revelation - It's Grand Climax p.184
"Jehovah has shown much compassion toward his remnant of spiritual Israel and their sheeplike companions. His eye has been upon them constantly since their spiritual deliverance in 1919." Watchtower 1994 Mar 1 p.17
How solid is the doctrine that supports this year?

Following are the steps used to arrive at 1919, based largely on Revelation 11. Each step is a failure in logic, as shown by bullet point. (Note that some of this reasoning changed in 2013, which will be discussed later.)
Continue reading...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1919-derived.php

JMAN05:
Those who wants to know the truth, goes to jw.org.

Only a deluded or ignorant person would believe that.

bingbagbo:


my soul is not a person, my flesh is not a person.......i am a person

How is it you mock scriptures with laughter?
and how are those words an answer to those scriptures?
do you have the courage to answer those scriptures properly?

johnw74: God and the Word speaking:


Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.

Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,

Gen 11:7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they cannot understand one another's speech.

Psa 45:6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; the staff of Your kingdom is a staff of righteousness.
Psa 45:7 You love righteousness, and hate wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your fellows.

That is quoted in Heb. 1:8, "But of the Son He [God] says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
The Jehovah's Witness Bible has it translated as "God is thy Throne forever and ever . .
But God is not a throne, God sits on a throne.


Persons of God in the New Testament:


Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The three persons of God at the same time.

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Note: one name and three persons.

1Co 12:4 But there are differences of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are differences of workings, but it is the same God working all things in all.

Gifts are given by the Holy Spirit
Ministries are given by the Lord Jesus
They are the same God

2Co 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

Notice fellowship of the Holy Spirit,
jw don't have that of course, they think the Holy spirit is just a force,
He is a force of course, but not just a force, God indeed is a powerful force.

Jud 1:20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
Jud 1:21 keep yourselves in the love of God, eagerly awaiting the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to everlasting life.

RikoduoSennin:
Thank you for derailing this thread! I'm out!

The thread is about jw,
my posts are about jw,

don't slam the door on your way out.

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Helping Someone Leave

It is frustrating to have family and friends belong to a high control religion, and very difficult to change a person’s belief. No matter how obviously wrong the religion is, cognitive dissonance prevents a person giving up what they are comfortable with.

It is critical to learn what is important to the person you are trying to reach, in order to understand how to help them. Whilst you will want loved ones to know why Watchtower is not the truth, do not rush into confronting them. You risk being labelled as apostate, which will destroy any relationship you have, and any chance of educated discussion.

Continue reading ...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/helping-someone-leave.php

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Blood Transfusions

Jehovah's Witnesses are to refuse blood transfusions on the belief that the Bible forbids use of blood under any circumstance. Awake! 1994 May 22 p.2 admits that children of Jehovah's Witnesses have been losing their lives in support of this doctrine. The Watchtower stance is not only dangerous, but unscriptural and plagued with logical inconsistencies.

Continue reading ...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blood-transfusions.php

johnw74:
http://www.jwfacts.com/

Quotes regarding Women

Watchtower is a patriarchal society that believes women are lesser than men. Women cannot be teachers in the congregation and must consider spiritual brothers and their husbands to be their heads. Most damaging are quotes regarding how women may have deserved being beaten or raped, and even that being raped could be considered as having committed the sin of fornication.

"Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation." Watchtower 1964 Jan 15 p.63
"So by no means would it be proper quietly to submit to rape, as that would be consenting to fornication." Watchtower 1968 Jun 1 pp.345-50
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/favourite-quotes.php

I don't believe that women should be teachers in the congregation,
scripture backs that position.

God and the Word speaking:


Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.

Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,

Gen 11:7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they cannot understand one another's speech.

Psa 45:6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; the staff of Your kingdom is a staff of righteousness.
Psa 45:7 You love righteousness, and hate wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your fellows.

That is quoted in Heb. 1:8, "But of the Son He [God] says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
The Jehovah's Witness Bible has it translated as "God is thy Throne forever and ever . .
But God is not a throne, God sits on a throne.


Persons of God in the New Testament:


Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The three persons of God at the same time.

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Note: one name and three persons.

1Co 12:4 But there are differences of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are differences of workings, but it is the same God working all things in all.

Gifts are given by the Holy Spirit
Ministries are given by the Lord Jesus
They are the same God

2Co 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

Notice fellowship of the Holy Spirit,
jw don't have that of course, they think the Holy spirit is just a force,
He is a force of course, but not just a force, God indeed is a powerful force.

Jud 1:20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
Jud 1:21 keep yourselves in the love of God, eagerly awaiting the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to everlasting life.

nutarious, bing is confused.

Because God is One God,
bing doesn't see that He is also three persons.
bing in fact has said to me that Jesus is the Father,
now you and me know that Jesus is God but He is the Son, not the Father.

To us there is three persons in the One God,
to bing there are three persons is one person,
the Son is the Father, the Father is the Son and so on.

paulGrundy:
My thoughts exactly, I can recant on two occasions where JMAN05 and BIBLESPEAKS admitted to facts overtly and covertly, After exposing to them the lies in the watchtower magazine and showing them the truth.

What baffles me is how they still hold on tenaciously to those lies.

When people are shown the Truth and continue to reject it, then God rejects them.

2Co 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD (JEHOVAH) ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

1Co_10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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paulGrundy:
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Thats the power of religious cults bro they use fear and guilt to manipulate their members. All jws in nairaland know that the watchtower is lieing to them. They just only allow sentiments which is heavily laced with guilt and fear of armaggedon to close their eyes to the truth.

To me, this topic is the most important in jwfacts.com

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/fear-cult-mind-control.php

^^^ it will show you how the watchtower leaders manipulate followers. It will also help you understand why JMAN05 and BIBLESPEAKS closes their eyes to biblical truths, and believes every garbage that comes out of watchtower and awake! Without questioning it

And their closing their eyes to the truth is what will land them there.

http://www.jwfacts.com/

Fear and Mind Control

No one joins a cult. No one joins something they think is going to hurt them. You join a religious organization, you join a political organization, and you join with people you really like.
Jonestown survivor
Religion has the power to manipulate humans to believe unrealistic doctrine and engage in destructive behaviour. Examples are:

Members of suicide cults and suicide bombers that sacrifice their own life and kill innocent members of the public
Parents that allow their child to die refusing medical treatments
Mothers and fathers that are instructed to shun their own children, or children that shun their parents and siblings for life, due to a difference of opinion over religion or morals
This section condenses a vast volume of research into political and religious control techniques in an effort to explain such behaviour. These techniques are then compared with Watchtower practices. Finally the emotional affects on members are examined, particular for those that try to leave such an organization. I consider this article as the most important on this site.

"All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20
A critically important concept for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to realise is that they are not unique; neither in doctrinal beliefs, displays of love or techniques of control. The main indicators of mind control is any group that maintains;

leadership deserves strict, unquestioning obedience
they alone are unique in teaching truth
salvation is only possible through association with the group
dissenters must be strictly shunned
Sites dedicated to cult awareness suggest that there are over 3,000 organizations in America alone that fit such descriptions and 10,000 globally. These range from groups with a handful of followers, to those with millions. The Watchtower Society perfectly aligns with this description and as such is classified as a "high control group" appearing on most cult awareness lists.
Continue reading...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/fear-cult-mind-control.php

Paul Grundy, feel free to answer any questions directed at me concerning jwfacts.com if you want to.
It doesn't matter though, they don't believe anything except what they are told to believe anyway.
Apparently they don't even question what was written in their own mags

jw is posting jwfacts.com quotes in my name, nothing new in that dishonesty though,
when jw lie he is speaking naturally.
He is doing it because he fears questioning you, and getting questions from you, you apostates must be fearsome people.

Jesus said to jw pharisee:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

http://www.jwfacts.com

Pamphlet

printable pamphlet explaining basics of being a Jehovah's Witness

If you are studying with one of Jehovah's Witnesses, click the image for a pamphlet explaining fundamental Watchtower concepts and practices you should be aware of, but will not be told up front. Available in English, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Estonian and Chinese.

Continue reading ...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/pamphlet.php

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Watchtower Child Abuse Policies

Barbara Anderson's Secrets of Pedophilia in an American Religion
Watchtower is coming under increasing scrutiny for how they have dealt with pedophiles. This culminated in 2012 with the case Candice Jane Doe vs Watchtower, with Watchtower losing a record judgement of $28 million dollars. This article explains Watchtower policy regarding child abuse, and how these policies have provided protection for known pedophiles to continue offending within congregations.

Continue reading ...http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/about-jwfacts.php

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Watchtower 2011, Oct 1 & Nov 1
The October and November 1st 2011 Watchtower attempt to prove that Jerusalem fell in 607, rather than the historically accepted 587. Click here http://www.jwfacts.com/pdf/carl-olof-jonsson-when-jerusalem-destroyed.pdf for Carl Jonsson's brilliant examination in PDF format, which shows the intellectual dishonesty of the Watchtower by including inaccurate information and misquotes.


A person should be realistic about the ability of the Watchtower Society to interpret prophecy. To date there has been a proven time prophecy failure rate of 100%. As shown in the Dates section http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php, the Watchtower used Bible prophecy to explain that the following dates were of significance; 1780, 1799, 1829, 1844, 1846, 1872, 1874, 1875, 1878, 1880, 1881, 1891, 1906, 1910, 1915, 1920, 1921 and 1925. Every single one of these interpretations is now admitted as wrong. Even 1914 and 1918 were not fulfilled as expected and subsequently reinterpreted after the event. This does not inspire confidence that Holy Spirit guides Watchtower prophetic interpretation, or that current understanding of 1914 is correct.

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Did Jesus Die on a Cross or Stake?

Look at the number of nails in each picture. Notice in the above depiction from the Watchtower publication Knowledge That Leads to Everlasting Life there is only one nail and it goes through the wrist and not the hands, due to it being a stake, not a cross. Compare this to what Thomas stated at John 20:25;

"unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe".
Jesus was crucified with two nails, one in each hand, not a single nail through the wrist. That separate nails were in each hand is made clear by the use of the word 'nails' not 'nail'. This suggests that Jesus had his arms separated on a cross, not together on a stake as represented in Watchtower publications.

Matthew 27:37 also supports the idea of a cross rather than a stake when it says;

"Above his head they had put the charge against him in writing: 'THIS IS JESUS, KING OF THE JEWS'

More here: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php

RikoduoSennin:
Explain How 3 persons make up ONE GOD!

You simply can't, all you do is RANT.

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Who made Jesus Lord of Lords?

Who gave Jesus the Tile "Lord of Lords"

Who are the Lords whom Jesus is Lord over?

When did Jesus became "Lord of Lords" or "King of Kings"

Did Jesus have a God even in Heaven?


Honest bible based answers to this questions will help you see the light.

johnw74: And again and again jw doesn't believe the plain meaning of scriptures and want's to change and twist them around.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And another thing, He is not a god,

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Still, You have not answered my Question! Or have you?

You are not joking, you really don't know.

Who is being untruthful now - when you catergorically decline to answer my question repeatedly I mighty add.

You are of course as always.

johnw74


I'm not interisted in explaining Truth to you anymore since you blasphemed God
and reject His scriptures.
But I may from time to time show up some of your wrongs.

JEHOVAH God
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the
day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,


The Word God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

http://www.jwfacts.com/

Strange Advice

The Watchtower and Awake! (previously called Golden Age and then Consolation) have contained a lot of incorrect and naive medical advice.

"Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice... We are in the last days; and the devil is slowly losing his hold, making a strenuous effort meanwhile to do all the damage he can, and to his credit can such evils be placed... Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccinations." Golden Age 1921 Oct 12 p.17
"A peculiar factor sometimes noted is a so-called 'personality transplant.' That is, the recipient in some cases has seemed to adopt certain personality factors of the person from whom the organ came." Watchtower 1975 Sep 1 p.519

"Sustaining one's life by means of the body or part of the body of another human...would be cannibalism, a practice abhorrent to all civilized people." Watchtower 1967 Nov 15 pp.702-704
"The bobbed hair craze is sure to lead to baldness, sooner or later. The reason for this is that human hair is like a tube sealed at the free end. When the hair is cut, the oils which are the life of the hair become dissipated. The reason why men grow bald so quickly is that they have their hair cut so frequently and, in addition, wear tightly fitting hats, which cut off the circulation of the scalp." Golden Age 1924 Nov 19 p.100

"There is no food that is right food for the morning meal. At breakfast is no time to break a fast. Keep up the daily fast until the noon hour." Golden Age 1925 Sep 9 pp.784
"If any overzealous doctor condemns your tonsils go and commit suicide with a case-knife. It's cheaper and less painful." Golden Age 1926 Apr 7 p.438
"Sleep on the right side or flat on your back, with the head toward the north so as to get benefit of the earth's magnetic currents. Avoid serum inoculations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus.... Stop chewing gum, as you need the saliva for your food." Golden Age 1929 Nov 12 p.107

"Medicine originated in demonology and spent its time until the last century and a half trying to exorcise demons. During the past half century it has tried to exorcise germs." Golden Age 1931 Aug 5 p.728
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/favourite-quotes.php

Tushkid74:
Nutarious / johnw74 do u guys have a problem with JW?

Sorry to say,some of ur posts are just...

Inbtw, Jesus was nailed/hanged to a tree/stake nt a cross

I personally don't think it makes any diffrence whether Jesus was nailed to a post, or a post with a cross beam.
The Romans used both methods at that time.
You must have scriptures supporting your definite claim, will you post them please?

RikoduoSennin:
Just as you won't stop saying that "God is Three persons in one"

It's bingbagbo that say's God is three persons in one person.
I say God is three persons in One God.


You so confused still.

"LORD of LORDS" Who made me such/ gave Jesus that Title? Who are the LORDS being referred to there?

And again and again jw doesn't believe the plain meaning of scriptures and want's to change and twist them around.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And another thing, He is not a god,

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Did you read the original greek and see for yourself why it was translated so? No, Dogma won't let you.

Wow, and all the times that I have given the Greek meaning to words in these forums, and Hebrew.

Do you know you once asked me, am I going to post more smilies to you?
it is someone else, ---Oops

Confusion reigns in jw town.

You have failed to answer my question : How did two or more persons make ONE GOD?

Must be impossible for jw to be truthful.

johnw74


I'm not interisted in explaining Truth to you anymore since you blasphemed God
and reject His scriptures.
But I may from time to time show up some of your wrongs.

http://www.jwfacts.com/

Quotes regarding Women

Watchtower is a patriarchal society that believes women are lesser than men. Women cannot be teachers in the congregation and must consider spiritual brothers and their husbands to be their heads. Most damaging are quotes regarding how women may have deserved being beaten or raped, and even that being raped could be considered as having committed the sin of fornication.

"Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation." Watchtower 1964 Jan 15 p.63
"So by no means would it be proper quietly to submit to rape, as that would be consenting to fornication." Watchtower 1968 Jun 1 pp.345-50
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/favourite-quotes.php

JMAN05:
U still went along to reply me, when u now saw a proof against ur lies, u brought back ur statement.

The problem. is that u can't defend ur lies.

Wow, now that's confusion.

When I have said you are being untruthful, it's because that is true.
But now jw copycat saying I lie.

What a weak spirit.


If you go here http://www.jwfacts.com/ you will see that lies appear to be inherent in jw.