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What a Friend we have in Jesus:

What a friend we have in Jesus,
All our sins and griefs to bear!
What a privilege to carry
Everything to God in prayer!
Oh, what peace we often forfeit,
Oh, what needless pain we bear,
All because we do not carry
Everything to God in prayer!
Have we trials and temptations?
Is there trouble anywhere?
We should never be discouraged—
Take it to the Lord in prayer.
Can we find a friend so faithful,
Who will all our sorrows share?
Jesus knows our every weakness;
Take it to the Lord in prayer.
Are we weak and heavy-laden,
Cumbered with a load of care?
Precious Savior, still our refuge—
Take it to the Lord in prayer.
Do thy friends despise, forsake thee?
Take it to the Lord in prayer!
In His arms He’ll take and shield thee,
Thou wilt find a solace there.
Blessed Savior, Thou hast promised
Thou wilt all our burdens bear;
May we ever, Lord, be bringing
All to Thee in earnest prayer.
Soon in glory bright, unclouded,
There will be no need for prayer—
Rapture, praise, and endless worship
Will be our sweet portion there.

What am I saying,
they are all doozers.

Well they had part of it right in 1879:

1. An Angel that worships Jesus

"Hence it is said, "Let all the angels of God worship him;" [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God] and the reason is, because He has "by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they."" Zion's Watch Tower 1879 Nov p.4

4. The Pope again

"Michael.--- "Who as God," the Pope." The Finished Mystery 1917 p.188

That's a doozer

In 1917 jw was teaching that Michael......is God.....is the Pope

paulGrundy:
Its funny how CAPTIVATOR dismiss your arguments as ignorant, knowing fully well that the watchtower has had up to about 5 contradictory views on the identity of angel micheal.



http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/revelation-daniel-prophetic-interpretation.php

Does it mean that mean that the truth can be recycled and updated ?

Suppose their stance changes and angel micheal is no longer jesus christ, does that mean that you would no longer be ignorant

So the bunch of governing clowns once spread lies?

Jehovah help us.

That is amazing, and it's amazing how people stay with that org. with all the changes of beliefs over the years, which should show them that it is not the Holy spirit leading them but just man, and I believe it proves these verses:

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



A lot of jwfacts at your site, I have only glimpsed at it so far.
http://www.jwfacts.com

Trinitarians say they believe in three persons in One God


jw say: Trinitarians believe in three gods in one person

jw's are habitual liars, always putting up strawman arguments, changing what others say and then commenting on that

and why not when considering who their father is


Jesus talking to the pharisees of His day:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

My words above
more on jw here:

http://www.jwfacts.com/

jw lies describing the Trinity < my words

Part of the article:
“The Watch Tower of June 1882 stated: “At this time, therefore, the doctrine of three Gods was invented …”” Proclaimers p.125


“The disgusting idolatry of the religions of Christendom and pagandom has been set aside by Jehovah's restored people. Their worship is not distributed to three gods in one, the so-called godhead of some mysterious Trinity, but they are united as the one people who worship the one God, Jehovah.” Watchtower 1984 Mar 1 p.23


“… a trinity of three gods in one, …” Awake! 1998 Dec 8 p.11


“… teach that God is a trinity of three gods in one, …” Awake! 1989 Jan 22 p.23


"If he is one Jehovah, then could he be three gods, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, as the Trinitarians teach?" Watchtower1970 Apr 1 p.210


“Christendom has copied the heathen, pagan nations of Asia in teaching that God is a trinity, three Gods in one Person.” Watchtower 1962 Apr 15 p.235




Read the article here:

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/trinity.php

JMAN05:
You guys are one with long standing heresy and who never agree in there proud life to be wrong. Any who knows Jehovah's witnesses knows that they accept mistakes and makes changes

Ha ha, not at this forum they don't

I have even chosen not to discuss with Pharisaic individuals here who loves blindness. Hope that many of my jw brothers here will know when to end the discussion and live many of u blind ones, especially those who are in love with blindness, so that they can stay so until that day.

You wan't to know about:

heresy
pride
pharacees
blindness

First look at yourself and then
Go here:

http://www.jwfacts.com/

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus comin with his saints pictures Arch angel micheal ...

Archangel Michael doesn't have Saints, God does, Jesus Christ comes with all His Saints

Its very clear that Christ is the arch angel because Jesus is described as arch - angel in 1the 4:16. Whose voice will raise the dead ? Joh 5:25

Jesus is not described as Archangel in 1 Thess 4:16
but twisting taking away from and adding to scripture is normal jw practise


For the benefit of believers

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


The Angel of the Lord is often the voice of the Lord,
Jesus Christ sent revelation to John through His Angel,
and he spoke as if he is the Lord

According to jw reasoning
If because Jesus Christ comes with the voice of the archangel means that Jesus Christ is the archangel, then Jesus Christ coming with the trump of God means that Jesus Christ is the trumpet.

1Thess 3:13 shows that Jesus Christ Who comes with all His Saints, is God and not an Angel.
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saint.

As Heb 1:5 shows the Father saying He has never called an Angel His begotten Son.

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Are Saints, God's Saints?
or
Are Saints, Michael's Saints?

"Jesus Christ comes with all His Saints"

richmans:
which one is posssible holy spirit before baptism or baptism after receiving holy spirit

For you maybe not possible

CAPTIVATOR:
Aggelos means "prophet" ? Anyone readin this will know u aint serious



Is Jesus a spirit messenger ?

What are spirit messengers of God called ?


Oh! It doesnt mean anything anymore , john .. U still gat alot of work to do .

Post after post you do not have a clue

CAPTIVATOR:
U AVOID MY QUESTION ... WHY ?

I have said it at least a dozen times
I don't discuss with those who rejct God's scriptures
however I may at times continue to show up some of your wrongs

Jesus comin with his saints pictures Arch angel micheal ... Its very clear that Christ is the arch angel because Jesus is described as arch - angel in 1the 4:16. Whose voice will raise the dead ? Joh 5:25

You have avoided answering about 1Thess 3:13 four times because it shows you are wrong, and you cannot admit to being wrong
you rather believe man's lies than believe the Truth of God's scriptures

Do the Saints belong to God?
Or do the Saints belong to Michael the Angel?

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Our Lord Jesus Christ is God, He comes with all His Saints.
And it's impossible for jw to admit to TRUTH that goes against their false man made doctrines,
to their grave peril, the lake of Fire.

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

"eli" and "yama" are both of hebrew origin
"sabachthani" is of Chaldee origin

Jesus did not cry out in tongues there
perhaps those there were not familiar with Chaldee words.

CAPTIVATOR:
The bold says it all .....

It's seems unbeliveable how weak your replies are.

See how the trinity doctrine has really affected your thinking ! Ur STATEMENT ABOVE IS NOT SCRIPTURAL

It is indeed scriptural that John the Baptist is a prophet
It is indeed scriptural that Jesus Christ is a Prophet, Priest, Teacher, and King
You don't know the scriptures at all, do you?

If it mean prophet , please why would the greek scriptures use "angelos" while quotin malachi 3:1 in matthew 11:10 ? Pls answer.

Giv me some comedy, does "angelos" mean prophet ?

It is aggelos not angelos, which you use because that sounds like angel
aggelos doesn't mean Angel it means messenger, a messenger in the Bible can be an Ange, a pastor, Prophet, a teacher or absolutely anyone, yes anyone can be a messenger.
In the Bible Angels are specifically messengers, so jw say all messengers are angels, even john the Baptiust and Jesus Christ.
They are messengers but not Angels.
I know this will be to much for jw to understand.

False reasonin blinded by trinity spectacle , u say it mean anythin but angel BUT matt 11:10 says it mean " angel (angelos) " ?

Concerning John the Baptist and Jesus Christ, messenger does not mean Angel, but Prophet etc.

and again angelos doesn't mean Angel but messenger
in fact angelos doesn't mean anything, it's "aggelos"

Who is lyin btw d two of u

U of course, who is jw?

And while you are answering this post, don't neglect to answer the following this time.

Captivator, Jesus Christ comes with all of His Saints
does the Angel Michael have saints, or
does God have Saints.

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Our Lord "kurios" means God, not Angel.

Ken4Christ, jw rejects God's inspired word just to hold onto their false man made beliefs, and they accuse you to try and make themselves look better

three times I have asked Captivator to comment on the following, but jw rejects scriptures and change them to mean something else when those scriptures go against their beliefs

Captivator, Jesus Christ comes with all of His Saints
does the Angel Michael have saints, or
does God have Saints.

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1Co 12:2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

nyabinghi:
jesus was a man, he sucked boobs, ate food but Almighty God didnt

Christianity is shyte like babylon with so many false doctrines, blame paul for your state of confusion, you guys should be called confusonists

You are what we are talking about
get rid of that evil out of Christian threads.

I agree it would be good if islamists didn't come in disrupting Christian threads.
There would still be many who say they are christians, disrupting them still though,
jw and the like.

Christians need a forum for those who believe that God became man so as to pay the penalty for sin, so that we who believe on Him can have Eternal life with Him.
In other word a forum for those who believe in the True Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Not saying that Jesus is just a man
or that Jesus is an angel
but that Jesus is GOD become man, as scripture say's.

enilove:
God bless you for sharing the dream.

If I may ask ,which church do you attend?
How is your Christian life / Are you truly born again ?
How often do you evangelise?
Do you read your Bible daily?
What is your prayer life like.

The reason for these questions is to guide and prepare myself for the rapture .. I shall be expecting your reply.

Thanks once more . God bless you.

If you want to prepare yourself for the catching up to the lord
you don't need to ask someone else if they are truly born again
you need to ask yourself~~~ "are you truly born again"

If you accuse someone without knowing what you are talking about,
and then run,
then you are not truly saved, and you are not ready for the rapture.

CAPTIVATOR:
U say perhaps lols ... Truth is starin at u .
The arch - angel Commands all the armies of heaven..
In Revelatin Jesus commands and leads the armies of heaven.

Captivator, the Lord Jesus Christ comes with all His Saints
God has Saints
Angels don't have Saints

According to the following verse,
who is Jesus Christ, God or an Angel?

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

to assist you, we are already told the Word is God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word that God in that verse comes from is "theos"
and theos means "God" not "a god"

CAPTIVATOR:
english Is confusin u

Angel means "messenger" , is Jesus called a messenger ? YES

Both are called angel (angelos) in d greek septuagint of malachi 3:1 , see matt 11:10 too, u cant denie that ?

Jesus is a spirit messenger (angelos) = angel !

Or dont u know human messengers are called angels too ? ! See rev 2:1 , 2: 12-14 , 3:1

It has been shown you
messenger can mean angel, prophet, priest, teacher,ambassador,king
depending who it is referring to.

In john the Baptist's case, messenger means "Prophet"
In Jesus Christ's case messenger means "Prophet,Priest, Teacher, and King"

messenger in Malachi 3:1 means anything but Angel
but jw twists all of God's inspired Word to suit their false beliefs.
jw change Truth into lies.

CAPTIVATOR:
Rev 19:14 ... The armies which were in heaven followed him ' who are the armies in heaven ? Angels or dead saints ?

That is typically a weak and ridiculous answer which comes from rejecting God's inspired word.

The Saints in Heaven who return with the Word of God are obviously not dead
1Th_3:13 ...at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

CAPTIVATOR:
Before we proceed to hebrews 1

Who is the "angel of the covenant" in malachi 3:1 ?

There is no angel of the covernant in Malachi 3:1
Neither John the baptist or Jesus are angels,
it has been explained to you and you cannot understand.
Now go to Hebrews.

johnw74: What the Bible say's:

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels,
is clearly saying Jesus is not an Angel

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Is clearly saying God has never said to an Angel:"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee"
God has never said to an Angel:"I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son"

CAPTIVATOR:
U say perhaps lols ... Truth is starin at u .
The arch - angel Commands all the armies of heaven..
In Revelatin Jesus commands and leads the armies of heaven.

You say that but scripture doesn't.
1Th_3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

The Word of God's Armies are all His Saints. If Angels are in this battle they are not mentioned there as coming with Jesus.
However the angels were with Michael when they battled satan and his angels.

The Lord Jesus Christ comes with all His Saints
God has Saints
Michael the angel does not have saints.

sonmvayina:
that your quote means he has not even come the first time, they are still waiting for him to come......you just shot yourself in the foot..

Those verses were written by Jude and Peter long after Jesus ascended to heaven

They are talking off the last times, the last days, before the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Don't go handling any guns.

johnw74:
At least MrPresident1 is looking forward to the second coming of Christ.

Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

timbros:
Funny how you condemned her decision to be a JW yet you're not recommending any church above the other.

Don't you think that says something about JW? We are different!

You are different
you claim to be Christian
but don't believe Jesus Christ is God in the flesh
but an Angel.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Greek word that God comes from there is "theos" which means "God" not "a god"
Your Bible adds to God's inspired Word.

CAPTIVATOR:
That Jesus was made better than other angels (messengers) doesnt mean he himsef is not an angel (= messenger 'angelos' ) . The same way king solomons greatness that other kings doesnt mean he (solomon) himself is not a king.
"so King Solomon was greater than all the other kings of the earth" how is he greater? "in riches and wisdom" 2 chro 9:22

Jesus too (a spirit angelos (mal 3:1 septuagint) ) was made better than other spirit angelos how ? " he obtained an excellent name than theirs"

Hebrew 1 is just hightighting the exaltation of the firstborn SON over all other fellow heavenly SONS of God. Though he is a son and a spirit MESSENGER too .

What the Bible say's:

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels,
is clearly saying Jesus is not an Angel

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Is clearly saying God has never said to an Angel:"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee"
God has never said to an Angel:"I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son"

CAPTIVATOR:
NOTE : rev 19: 11-16 pictures Jesus leadin the armies of heaven in WAR , Rev 12:7 shows its was the great arch-angel micheal that leads the angels in WAR . Since the son of God is to fight the nations , it is very reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil and his angels .

What is very reasonable is that God's Angels led by their chief Angel Michael would fight the fallen angels led by their chief angel satan.

And that it is the Word of God with His Armies (all of His Saints and perhaps Angels too) that destroy the armys of the world.

That's what the Bible says.

It is easy to show and believe God is two persons from scripture, for me anyway

but it is a difficult thing to explain God being three persons.
In my mind it is clear, but putting it in writing is a difficult thing.

At least MrPresident1 is looking forward to the second coming of Christ.

Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word that God comes from there, means more than one,
we know from scriptures that God is One God, One Spirit,
so it is referring to more than one person in God.
And the Spirit of God (who is the Word, who became Jesus Christ) moved upon the face of the waters (began creating)

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...

The Word who became Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit
He came forth from God, He is God's own Spirit, He is God.

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

bingbagbo:
Revelation 1:17

When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

brrrr......Isnt this enough to believe that JESUS IS THE FATHER?

Can an angel be the first and the last?

It's enough to show that Jesus is God (the Word)
even children know the Son is not the Father
the Son is God along with the Father.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning me in of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

You don't believe the Bible and you don't understand the verses you do quote.

bingbagbo:
so you worship 3 distinct Gods who are together....refer to deuteronomy 6:4

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS IS YOUR SAVIOR? THEN SEE THIS, Isaiah 43:11 I, I am Jehovah; and there is no Savior [yasha`, Strong’s #3467] besides Me..


PRAY

No matter how many times it has been told you that there are three persons in One God
you cannot help but lyingly accuse just like satan does, and say, "you believe in three distinct gods"

Jehovah or LORD is the Jewish name for God
God is, God and the Word
there is no Saviour beside Him.

Of course this is for the benefit of believers.