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Appleyard:
......only that there are no more circles you can run around....

appleyard: You can say that again!

The problem is, they kept running in circles, as they can not disprove the fact that its only One being all the time. They can't disproved the fact that Jesus is the Comforter, Just as they can't disprove the fact that Jesus is the Almighty God. Just as they can't disprove the fact that God is Omnipresent!rolleyessmiley

BIBLESPEAKS:
I didn't quote you, I just relayed the thought you wrote on you thread. Look at the bolded below.

BIBLESPEAKS: Johnw24 says Jesus on earth was both fully man and fully God. What say you to that?

BIBLESPEAKS:
Many can't understand because it is logically impossible for Jesus to be fully Man and fully God as well.

I have a problem believing in that which is logically impossible.

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is an ANGEL (hebrew malak, greek angelos)! Malachi 3:1

Fight with it.

Empiree:
@underlined, is clearly your input. It also contradicts Bible scholars. Do you have any idea what some bible scholars said about Act 1:18 Indeed, then, this one purchased a field with the reward of unrighteousness. And falling headlong, he burst apart in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out.

They gave it a new meaning. They said it is parable. I have a christian who posted such a silly reply in another thread. This means you have no reasonable commentaries behind the verse. So you saying the tree he hung himself cracked or broke and he fell is unfounded. You just trying to fit your own interpretation. These are clear contradictions.

johnw74: that is just one possibility

Empiree: Try harder next time fella

Scholar8200:
Definitely! I believe in the Father , Son and Holy Spirit. My reply was based on the statement in Colossians that it pleased the Father, that in Him (Christ) should all fulness dwell.

Scholar8200: CHRIST IS ALL!

Scholar8200:
CHRIST IS ALL!

bingbagbo:
Nehemiah 9 vs 13;

''13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:''

Wow! Do you get that? 'Thou' (God)* camest upon Mount Sinai, 'and' (the word 'and' is a connecting clause, connecting the formal-Mount Sinai, and the Latter-Heaven)* - spakest with them from HEAVEN!

bingbagbo:
....JESUS IS THE FATHER HIMSELF

An2elect2:
That was keen.

Scripture says SON OF GOD, Trinitarians say GOD THE SON. Lets see who is right!

but i totally dont agree with the JW's view of who Jesus is! nah

Barnabaseloka:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2 Pet.1:1 ......To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Heb.1:8 But to the Son (Jesus) He (the Father) says: Your throne O GOD is forever and ever.... The Father (God) calls the Son (God).
Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ
Acts 20:28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Was it the Father or Jesus (the Son) that shed his blood that was referred to God here?
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him (Jesus); My Lord and my God.
In the OT and some passages in the NT, the name 'God' was used for the Father. The Son was revealed with the name Jesus, but this does not mean that Jesus is not God (not the Father but also a Creator).

MuttleyLaff:
OK, you asked for it. The gloves come off. Lets do a bit of exegesis on "kill" in Gen 38:10 (i.e. a bit of what does it mean?)
What is the Hebrew word used for "kill" in the original text?
What does that word used for "kill" in the original text mean in Hebrew?

Appleyard:
You can say that again! The problem is, they kept running in circles, as they can not disprove the fact that its only One being all the time.

They can't disproved the fact that Jesus is the Comforter

Just as they can't disprove the fact that Jesus is the Almighty God

Just as they can't disprove the fact that God is Omnipresent!

as they can not disprove

They can't disproved

Just as they can't disprove

Just as they can't disprove

Appleyard:
You can say that again!

An2elect2: Truer words have never been spoken!

Glory to Jesus! For Him alone is God!

Appleyard:
Why are you so much confusing yourself? You said somewhere above that you are not refering to three Gods. Then, how come three persons are now becoming one God? For them to become one God, have'nt you made them a God each?

Xcozee: I'm waiting 4u to probably teach me,

anukulapo: I'm sorry. I can't teach you

Pr0ton:
One thing leads to another, and we are still in the same context. The fact that you are yet to refute my rubuttals shows how unavoidable the flaw is. Stop the ramblings about moving from one phase to another. Refute, or give up that God was wicked and cruel afterall.

Barnabaseloka:
I understand what you mean by God being the Father as you want to differentiate the two. When we call 'God', we are not only calling on the Father but also the Son. God is a general name under which the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit exist.

MuttleyLaff:
So if not all times, are you saying, God at times DOESNT kill sinners
What killed Adam in Eden?
I guess by your logic, God did, isnt it?

It's funny you're trying to find refuge in Pro 30:6
It's even more hilarious that you dont realise that out of ulterior motives, hidden agenda, ignorance, lack of understanding Hebraic culture, lack of understanding Aramaic/Hebraic idioms, lack of understanding Aramaic/Hebraic way of speaking or manner of writing etc, a lot was added to the Bible by translators and transliterators

The number one myth about Bible translation is that, it is a word-for-word translation. Words have been added to the Bible, all translated bibles to-date, either had words added or removed. This is for another post

Like I did before, I'll refer you to another one of my earlier post,
where I wrote "Please understand how people talk, especially in this case, the Aramaic/Hebraic manner of writing or talking"
https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33821241

and https://www.nairaland.com/2217256/87-christians-probably-dont-know/1#33823773
where I wrote:
That hebrew word, in Gen 38:10 translated to English, is the verb "to die"
so God allowed Onan to die, as earlier all along implying

MuttleyLaff:
What if I did mention about God not killing?
Is that justification for making up quotes I never said or made?
Is that right for you to take liberties and put words I never said, into my mouth?

but then you have nothing else to grab at, which seems to be your thing.

MuttleyLaff: post responding to yours was correcting your impression that God killed Onan instead of God permitted he die

MuttleyLaff:
My friend, again God doesnt kill
People separate themselves from God by their sins and thereby sooner or later, have death and destruction descend upon them.
They plant the wind and get caught in a whirlwind they harvest

"The wages of sin is death", sin kills, not God,
and God, like Jesus Christ, DOES NOT KILL. God is the source of life (For more details, refer to Genesis 2:7)

It means when God lifts or removes His divine forbearance, people are left to their devices and will have a brush with death, if not outright get killed.
Those people killed themselves with sin, not God.
Remember Galatians 6:7?
It says: Don't be misled--you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant.

God allows both the righteous and unrighteous or sinners to die (i.e. God lets both the righteous and unrighteous or sinners die)
but why do you have to resort to underhand tactics brother?
When and where on this thread did MuttleyLaff ever mention anything about God killing or not killing sinners?
To shore yourself up, you just plucked that quote out of thin air and presented it, as written and posted by MuttleyLaff. SMH, na wa ooo.

MuttleyLaff: My friend, again God doesnt kill

Appleyard:
Thank God, now that you have agreed on God spoken word.. We are moving on the right track.
Now, yes! I agree that the word is like a container like you said, and the word of God do come to people or someone like you said. I never disputed that at the first place.
But the area you still have refused to come to terms with is the ' Word and word' terms. What is the differential meaning between this two? The truth is, there is no DIFFERENCE IN MEAANING between Word and word. Infact, it is not even 'they,' it is ONE WORD, not two!
That is where you are having problem. You are still trying to put a differential meaning between them, when in reality, the term 'Word or word' means
a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.
Now, what does this tell you? Simple. The word back there in Genesis and the Word as use in John 1vs1, HAVE THE SAME MEANING, whether capitalized or not, and you know that to be true. For i know that your bone of contention is the 'w' capitalized, plus the fact that 'He and Him' were used to indicate personality; and on this note, you were right, but your undoing is that, you still have not understand nor accept the fact that it is that SPOKEN word (remember the meaning of Word) that has metamorphose into a PERSONALITY. How, and when?
Pls, Lets go back to the bible.

John1vs1--

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Bear in mind we have already concluded that d term 'Word' or 'word' is of one meaning. Therefore, when John said 'in d begining 'was' the Word- (was is past tense, and ')- he is already aware of who Jesus is because, before he wrote his book/account in the Synoptic Gospels about Christ, Jesus had already left the scene. Otherwise, he couldnt have written anything or everything while Christ was still around, because it could have amounted to work-in-progress, and besides, the Holy Spirit had not come.

So. When he made Use of the capitalized term 'Word,' he was by knowledge personifying Jesus as that 'word' ( non personification) of God, that 'was' with God back then in the begining (creation in Genesis,) which has become FLESH (personification.)

Yes! There is more to the usage of the term 'Word,' because that was the only time God's word became FLESH-LIVING BEING, A Body, a Robe, a Human Vessel etc, He created for the sole purpose of redemption.
Thus, the capitalized 'W,' and the statements like, ''--as of the only begotten of the Father--,'' where to amplify and apply the full concept of the personality of God in Human nature (Jesus.)
Otherwise, you can't tell anyone that 'Word' is in meaning different from 'word.'
The earlier you realize this, the better.

And yes, there was no mistake in writing 'Word' for 'word,' because, it has left a stage of non-human to full human quality. Hence, the personification.

But the notorious fact remain; 'Word' is a 'word.' There is no other meaning ti it.

For in the Greek context,
Every reference to"the word"or"the word of God" or"the Word of the Lord"in the New Testament is either logos or rhema, both of which mean"words spoken by a living voice."

And Jesus is that spoken Word of God!

2. Heb 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God , so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psalm 33vs6.

The heavens were made by the 'word' of the Lord , and all their host by the 'breath of his mouth.'

The above two verses prove that the word of God or the Word of the Lord is the Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in heaven and earth, and whose name is " the Word of God.

Rev.19 vs 14
Finally confirm the capitalize W.


Remember the key is THE MEANING OF THE TERM word or Word.

Appleyard:
Hahahahhaahah! ! Oh, dear brothers of Little Faith and spiritual understanding!

Actually, i have been waiting for this,

you that are Unitarians and Trinitarians can't do without it. rolleyes

Oh my! Here we go!

Wow! Do you get that?

Boom!

Oh, Lord of Glory! What was that?

Can you beat that? hahhahaa..

Pls, dont hold your breath yet!

John. 3vs13;



Do you get that?

Hahahahaha glory glory glory hahhelluyah..



Oh my oh my!

bingbagbo: GLORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Appleyard: hallllllllellllluyyyyyyahhhhhhh!

bingbagbo:
..interesting, today you meet your colleague jw so u are twisting your lips...same guy who wrote on my other thread that, the Greek word there was kurios, today you are now telling a jw it is theos. You see how confused you are?

..interesting, today you meet your colleague jw so u are twisting your lips...same guy who wrote on my other thread that, the Greek word there was kurios, today you are now telling a jw it is theos. You see how confused you are?

....YOU AND THE JW ARE NO DIFFERENT.

JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY, THE FATHER, KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS, I AM THAT I AM

wordcat:
he wouldn't have killed the people of Sodom and Gomorrah as a punishment for their sins

MuttleyLaff:
They lived all the days, they were permitted to to live

How then do people die please?

What is "he didn't live out his full number of days"?
How does "Jehovah cut them short"?
How does Jehovah kill?. How did "Jehovah kill him"?

MuttleyLaff:
Please understand how people talk, especially in this case, the Aramaic/Hebraic manner of writing or talking.

God forbid, but if anyone should happen to kick the bucket now, please be honest, regardless of how that one got put to death, who allowed or permitted that death to happen?

You do know that Satan has the power of death (For details, refer to Hebrews 2:14, Job 2:6 etc)
BUT, IT IS ONLY WHEN GOD PERMITS OR ALLOWS, that Satan is able to wield this power
or in a lighter mood, it's only after that permit, that the Grim Reaper is allowed to show up and make a claim

If God put His foot down, you think Onan could have given up the ghost. No!

If not for God, we'll be dropping like flies, dead, right now
It is God holding death at arms length and shielding us from it.
He makes sure we dont go before our time.
Bottom line, God does not, in the real sense, kill,
and certainly, God, in Genesis 38:10, did not in the literal sense, kill Onan, my brother.

MuttleyLaff: so dont see the big deal in Onan's death, especially when it was a case of, he died when his time was up

MuttleyLaff:
"Therefore He killed him also" means God permitted him to die. God allowed him to give up the ghost.
In any case, sooner or later, Onan would have died, it's just a matter of time.
We all, are going to die, we all die anyway,
so dont see the big deal in Onan's death, especially when it was a case of, he died when his time was up

Note the "WHENEVER", in the above verse, this implies he disobeyed God SEVERAL TIMES (i.e. more than one time),
anyway his number or time was up. His time came up, hence he died, and passed away.

Queen of Heaven is a title given to the Blessed Virgin Mary by Christians mainly of the Roman Catholic Church