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bingbagbo:Yes, and Jesus is the same as JEHOVAH because Jesus is the Word who is God, and the God of the Old Testament is JEHOVAH who is God, the same God yes, but two persons in the One God. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. God the Word was with God, two persons. King David wrote: The LORD said unto my Lord, or God said to the Word (Jesus). Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Two persons in One God there. Believe the scriptures, or not. Believe the scriptures or believe yourself. Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ... Two persons, One God. The Holy Spirit is a third person, but some couldn't possibly understand that. |
Akwaowoa:The saved work because they are saved, jw think they save themselves, is jw saved? I don't believe so. Salvation is from God through God given Faith. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. |
RikoduoSennin:RikoduoSennin is unrepentant. Perhaps this type of serious blasphemy may be impossible to repent off. RikoduoSennin said about the God of the Bible, blaspheming and mocking Him: RikoduoSennin: Then I will say your "Mighty and Almighty God" must be a nut job. He split himself into two or more beings/persons for what? To confuse people? Could he not have done everything by his lonesome self? |
RikoduoSennin:I will never get tired of sticking up for God. Of course I don't have to, it wont change you, and God doesn't need any help, but it gives me satisfaction being on God's side. |
RikoduoSennin:And Jesus is called the Word, and the Word was God. God is one, How?The scripture I posted says God is One and you don't believe the scriptures. Do you believe that Jesus has a God whom he answers to? Yes or No.You again answer with a question. johnw74 |
RikoduoSennin:jw answer post with question because jw has no answers. |
RikoduoSennin:Your beliefs are the same as written in your nwt bible, are you trying to deceive? |
JMANO5: OK, but will u change if you see that your position is wrong sir?You were stuck, I hope I was able to give you a bit of a push? |
jw with false doctrines push and push and push them, there is hardly a front door they haven't knocked on. Christians will tell you a couple of times the Truth, then if you reject the Gospel, they let you go your own way. The devil is busy in these times, before the return of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. |
JMAN05:You wont, jw is full of unbelief. just tell me whether u agree to the terms.No I don't, and you will endure to mine, like it or not. My terms are that once someone rejects the scriptures I consider them a lost cause and no longer try putting them straight. I may at times however point out your wrongs for my pleasure and in hopefully helping someone else. |
JMAN05:Mental as anything ![]() Because if u are not sincere in this discussion,That's rich, jw who change the Bible and teach false doctrine, talking about sincerity. |
A mark is something that can be seen, like a tattoo, a chip under the skin cannot be seen. With tattoos having become very popular, I would not be surprised if the mark of the beast is a tattoo of the mark, or a tattoo of the beasts name, or a tattoo of the number of his name, which is 666. Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. |
My God is the God of the Bible: johnw74: There is only One True God now, it has always beenRikoduoSennin said about the God of the Bible: Then I will say your "Mighty and Almighty God" must be a nut job. He split himself into two or more beings/persons for what? To confuse people? Could he not have done everything by his lonesome self? Your God is the Father and Son of himself! He confuse people like Stephen when he show himself has two persons or was he doing A SPEED MIRAGE THING like they do in The Flash-Tv series. He spoke to himself repeated- He must be confused. RikoduoSennin: I RikoduoSennin is saying that, that God is CONFUSE. Why send himself to the Earth in the first place? God spoke to God, and since There exist only ONE God- Conclusion is God spoke to himself, heheheheheheh!RikoduoSennin Blasphemes and mocks God. |
RikoduoSennin:You are still confused and again disbelieve scripture that says "the Word is God" and scripture that says "God is One". Jesus-God the Word, mediates between man and God the Father. Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Believe it,---- or not. You mis-apply scriptures, its not the first time I have seen some one do that even in the Bible.Your continual untruthfulness and false accusing is following your father. See how you skillfully remove the most important part of my question/statement. (Sigh)Deluded to the first line. This to the second: You are confused and again disbelieve scripture that says "the Word is God" and scripture that says "God is One". Jesus-God the Word, mediates between man and God the Father. Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. To the third : I say what is true. 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.No, to me you are not likewise. You to me are not a unbeliever just because you don't believe what I believe. To me you are a unbeliever mainly because you Blasphemed God calling Him many bad things, and because you change His scriptures. You blaspheme God, you don't believe scriptures, and change them. |
RikoduoSennin:Whether it is said in the Bible exactly, that Jesus said: I and the Father are one God, doesn't matter because it is made known without Jesus exactly saying it. They were trying to kill Him without Him exactly saying it. And I believe He did say it in round about ways so as not to be killed before time. But like I have said to you in round about ways before, I'm not giving jewels to be trampled on by one that blasphemes God and rejects and changes His scriptures. Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. The Bible does say that Jesus is the Word and the Word is God, and the Bible does say that the Father is God. Jesus and the Father is One God, the Word was with God and the Word was God, it's very plain to see. Jesus is God: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Father is God: Joh_6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. God is One: Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. |
RikoduoSennin:Another untruth, I never evade Bible Truth. Changed Bible is not the truth. |
jw believe because Michael is the only angel in the Bible called an archangel, that he is the only archangel. That is weak logic. Gabriel is the only other good angel named in the bible to my memory, so jw by their logic must believe that Gabriel is the only angel besides Michael? Jesus said there are many legions of angels. Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? There are two bad angels named in the Bible: lucifer/satan and apollyon/abaddon. Isa_14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. apollyon is king over those in the bottomless pit, he is their chief, chief means arch, he is the archangel of those in the bottomless pit. lucifer is in charge of one third of all the angels, he is chief over one third, he is an archangel. Michael is one of the archangels-chief princes. Princes does not only apply to angels, but you can look that up for yourself. |
JMAN05:Here is just one. jmano5: As for Hebrew 1:5, it isn't a good proof. one can say that the answer to the question is Jesus.God is clearly saying that the man Jesus that He begot is not an angel but God, God the Word. jmano5 reject the scripture giving it other meaning. Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, [size=14pt]O God[/size], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son" is the same as saying "I have never called an angel my Son" jw takes the plain sense of scripture and change it to suit their false doctrines. Christians take their doctrines from the plain sense of scripture. |
jmano5: OK, but will u change if you see that your position is wrong sir?There is something wrong with this person. You have no proof. johnw74: I have already said to you that I'm not interested in discussing - hearing your beliefs, I already know them, and I know that they are false. |
JMAN05: johnw74: jw answer a question that they cannot answer with another question. |
The name Michael means who is like God, which is one of the reasons I believe Michael is the Angel of the Lord. Not the Angel is the Lord, but the Angel of the Lord. The Angel of the Lord has the authority, power, and glory of the Lord when representing Him, and talks as if He is the Lord, as many scriptures show. The Angel of the Lord (I believe Michael) is sent on assignments by the Lord. Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: God gave Revelation to Jesus Christ, and what did Jesus Christ do with it? He sent it by His Angel unto John. God and the Word are God, the Angel of the Lord is the Lord's (God and the Word's) Angel, and is like God. The Word is God as John 1:1 says, the Word became Jesus Christ, John 1:14 The Word created the Angel of the Lord, He created all that exists. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. That verse also shows that the Word is not created, nothing was made that He did not make. The Word is God as scripture says, not "a god", as jw change scripture and say. Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. |
JMAN05:What is between your ears? I stopped discussing your false beliefs with you days ago. I have personally decided to discuss with people who are open minded ALONE.You ask that others have an open mind, yet jw rejects scriptures that show jw belief is false, and that shows that your mind is closed, isn't that right? Anything short of that, count me out. Immediately i discover ones insincerity, I could decide to end it up. O if you cant change ur position, no discussion sir.It's been made clear already that there is no discussion with you, because of jw insincerity. jw think they are in charge jw tell what to do, not ask jw answer a question that they cannot answer with another question. jw is quiet weak. |
Just two of many of RikoduoSennin's rejection of scriptures. johnw74: Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. RikoduoSennin in confusion and unbelief: in what SENSE are THEY ONE GOD! johnw74: Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, If a man loves Me, he will keep My Word. And My Father will love him, and [size=14pt]We[/size] will come to him and make [size=14pt]Our[/size] abode with him. RikoduoSennin in confusion and unbelief: So If Father and Son plans to visit your abode, how .... 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. |
Just some of RikoduoSennin's sayings from the last few pages of this thread. The Spirit in riko: For your simple mind See your lack of HONESTY you don't know the meaning of the word "Christians" you must mean GOD was lieing? riko mocking God: your "Mighty and Almighty God" must be a nut job Hehehehehehehe, He confuse people like Stephen He spoke to himself repeated- He must be confused Do you see that your God was quote as talking to himself? then God spoke to himself ko? I RikoduoSennin is saying that, that God is CONFUSE. Why send himself to the Earth in the first place? God spoke to himself, heheheheheheh! riko also has rejected most of the many scriptures I have posted, and giving them a diffrent meanings. It does seem all jw's do the same things. |
johnnyblakes:Yes they will, jw included, is that what you mean? |
RikoduoSennin:?? Well that's as clear as mud, your confusion isn't lessening. Stop evading and attacking JW organisation and EXPLAIN YOURSELF when you said "God is one". johnw74: I'm not interisted in explaining Truth to you anymore since you blasphemed God |
johnydon22:hasn't a clue. |
ifeness:Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. |
simplex2:Not for simplex 2 but for those who believe. Not all who say they are Christians are Christians. For instance Jehovah's Witnesses say they are Christians, but: jw say Jesus Christ is an angel. Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? jw say Jesus Christ was not bodily resurrected. Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. Incidentally, the Angel of the Lord who is Michael I believe, said of Jesus, "he is risen", and Mary seen Jesus and talked with Him soon after that. jw say we are saved by works. Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Once saved we do good works, more exactly, Christ works in us. But we are saved by God through our faith, not by our works, the very next verse says it. Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Jehovah's Witnesses fail the test. |
JMAN05:I have already said to you that I'm not interested in discussing - hearing your beliefs, I already know them, and I know that they are false. It's so hard for jw to just answer a question honestly, instead jw doesn't answer, and comes back with other questions. johnw74: |
RikoduoSennin:Wow, this is getting even weirder, jw say, Jesus share the same God with him (him being Almighty God) and angels share the same God with us (humans) Jesus is the Image of God not God Almighty himself- In whose image is man?jw say, Jesus is the image of God, but Jesus is not the image of Almighty God, man is the image of Almighty God, but Jesus isn't. Truly amazing. |
RikoduoSennin:When jw knocks on doors, the persons at home mostly know nothing at all about the Bible, and jw can preach their false doctrines with the people being unawares as to legitimacy. But it takes a immature person to think he can say anything and fool the people at this forum. Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. In black is John speaking of the Lord Jesus Christ, in red is the Words of Jesus. How can GodI doubt you will ever know. Can you call your Father your God?What confusion. One way jw avoid answering a question they cannot answer, or accepting a truth they reject, is by asking another question, usually a very confused question. |
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