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Christianity Etc › Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by johnw74: 3:45am On Apr 17, 2015
Jesus the Word of God leads the armies to Earth, not Michael

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses
, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


I agree with OP that this angel is Michael.

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


Jesus Christ the Word of God, and Michael the archangel are together on Earth at this battle.

The Lord and His armies defeat the armies of the world, and throw the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire, and then an angel (I agree with OP it is Michael) casts satan into the bottomless pit for a thoudand years.

Jesus Christ the Word of God in verse 16, is LORD of LORDS, that would make Him YHWH.
He battles with the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God, He has a name written on Him, "kING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS"
YHWH is the name of God.
God and the Word is God.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Spirit Of Man by johnw74: 2:35am On Apr 17, 2015
harrisonsbible:
The spiritual controls the physical as we are all aware of and it is only those that are spiritual that understand spiritual things.

“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”I COR 2 VERSE 12-14.


We are victims of our emptiness, an empty spirit is a risk and on the the day you face challenges, it will fail because it has nothing to draw from, and most often this result to stagnation, depressions, infirmities of different name and all sort of negative reports.

Let s maximize the death and resurrection of Christ through believing and confession of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, whom has guided us all through this month of March through today ,for our total freedom and also reactivation of our spirit man.
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour also, whom I believe in.

It would be good to see who are the ones on nairaland forums, that believe in and confess Jesus Christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Christian God. by johnw74: 2:25am On Apr 17, 2015
ifeness:
It is said Positive and Negative attract to form balance. It is insane to imagine a God without a Goddess,a Lion without a Lioness. One without the (m)other will obviously lead to an end of it existing.

The Christian God is portrayed to exist alone,a male figure who just appeared from nothing but does in a mysterious way recognized the need of a female beside Adam. Makes you wonder why Eve was created. What was the need of creating a woman when the Christian God easily had created more humans from dust(according to the Bible)

A God without a female companion has got no experience on what it is like to live with a female since he himself doesn't have one. A God who does not know what is like to have an erection have no business teaching sex education. Why pray to the Christian God for a wife when he doesn't have one himself. A male Christian who wants to be like Jesus and his Father should stay away from women.
God who created male and female and their natural ways, doesn't know what it's like to be with a female? hmmm,
I wonder how He knew how to make them?
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
I am from my Father, I am human like He, but a diffrent person.

Jesus Christ is from His Father, He is God like He, but a diffrent person.

jw is blinded to that simple Truth.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Christ is the image of God, but jw will argue the meaning of all scripture that goes against their false beliefs.

Christians know that:
When the plain sense of scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense.

Christians can do this because their doctrines are from the unchanged Bible.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 1:12am On Apr 17, 2015
John called Jesus Christ the Almighty:

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Twenty-four (24) Elders In The Book Of Revelation? by johnw74:
The 24 elders are in Heaven before God's end time tribulation and wrath begins.

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.


The 24 elders could represent the Church who are raptured up to God. They were redeemed out of every nation and made Kings and Priests of God, and they shall reign on the Earth.

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


The four beasts (living things) with the 24 elders, are probably cherubim-angels.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 12:26am On Apr 16, 2015
JMAN05:
No sir,
No, you won't post the verse?
you want me to believe you without Bible reference?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 1:51pm On Apr 15, 2015
Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

JMANO5, Lord here in that verse is kurios which other verses shows is referring to the Word Jesus Christ.
You say that verse has a reality in the OT, and the Lord being YHVH.
Will you post that verse?
And with that being the case as you say, then the two verses would be showing that Jesus Christ is YHVH,
wouldn't they?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 1:26pm On Apr 15, 2015
JMAN05 posts are very confused, when you don't know do you then just say anything?
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 1:19pm On Apr 15, 2015
RikoduoSennin:
Please Explain in what SENSE are THEY ONE GOD!
That is typically confused. God is One,
and you don't believe that verse that says so.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74:
JMAN05:
Sir, will you change if you see your position was wrong?
Will you go back and read the answer I gave you? instead of being a pharacee in confusing issues.
Because you are wrong and have no real answers, and don't believe the verses provided, you give them other meanings,
don't you?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 12:54pm On Apr 15, 2015
JMAN05:
No sir, Jesus asked for the rebuke of someone, YHWH. can he ask for the rebuke from himself? please consult a bible with cross reference.
You won't post the verse, was you lying about there being a verse?
Do you want me to believe you without you giving scripture to back up what you say?



Sir I thought you should know when the Greek grammar says the followed by "archangel". that definite article changes a lot of things sir.

that Daniel says " one of the chief princes". But have you seen "one of the archangels" before?(plural emphasized). There can be more than one chief princes, but not more than one archangels.

Do you posit that all princes are angels?
You question what was not said, very untruthful twisting the issues around like that.
Do you have many instances of archangels in your bible?
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 12:32pm On Apr 15, 2015
double post
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
RikoduoSennin: Mark 10:17,18; Luke 18:18,19.

Young Man (Ruler): Good Teacher what must I do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus: Why do you call me Good? No one is Good but God alone.

1) Jesus did not raise issue when others call him Teacher, but He made an Issue when he was addressed "Good" Teacher. Why is that?

2) Jesus did Jesus asked the young ruler that question? Does it sound like he expected/wanted the man to called him Good teacher? Or it bothered him that he was addressed such?

3) Jesus said ONLY GOD is Good, If Jesus consider himself as Almighty God why make an issue for the young man when he was called "Good"
Teacher? He should proceeded to answer the man's original question.

NB: While Jesus was on earth he never claim to be the God of the Jews!
You changed what the verse said and now you try making excuses.


I was not quoting the Scripture, I was merely using logic to prove that mention the name of the Father and of the son and the Holy spirit does not support Trinity.
You change what others say, and you change what scripture says,
and it's very difficult for you to be honest about it.



It shows you don't know the meaning of the word "Christians".

We don't follow an angel, we follow the Son of YHWH.
And you say the son of YAHOVAH is an angel. You follow an angel.

Christians follow Jesus Christ the Word of God,
who is with God and is God,
Christians follow God.

jw follow an angel, a god.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 12:08pm On Apr 15, 2015
RikoduoSennin:
Don't miss-quote me. I did not say what you claim @ the Bold section above.

There is ONLY one God- The Almighty Father.
There are many other Gods.

This is what I say. Jesus is a Mighty God because he is the only begotten of the Father but he is not the Almighty.
You do say those things, and you just said one of them again,
You say there is only one God, and then you say:
"Jesus is a mighty God", and you also say as implied there "the Father is the Almighty God",
that's two Gods.

God is God and the Word , two persons, One God,
The Father and the Son, two persons, One God.

Not mighty God and Almighty God which is two gods.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 11:39am On Apr 15, 2015
JMAN05:
OK, but will u change if you see that your position is wrong sir?
I'm not interisted in discussion with jw,
I know you are wrong, and sometimes show your wrongs up for the benefit of others, who may not know better and believe you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 11:36am On Apr 15, 2015
JMAN05:
Can I ask you this: Jesus' voice and that of any angel at all, which one is more powerful?

From John 5:28, whose voice will call up the dead?

Your point on God's trumpet is not strong because we are talking of vertical comparison, someone taking the authority of a higher power. secondly. a voice is part of the being than is his trumpet.
Your replies are weak and nonsensical,
don't believe me,
but you don't believe the scriptures posted which need no explanation.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 11:23am On Apr 15, 2015
JMAN05:
Sir, Jude quoted an OT scripture where the divine name appeared. The correct thing should be "YHWH rebuke you". consult cross references.
And Jude and others used kurios when referring to Jesus in the NT.
Post the OT verse for me. If what you say is right, then it is confirming that Jesus Christ is YHVH.




What occurred here is " princes", not archangels. Have you seen where the word "archangels" (emphasis on plural) occurred in the bible before?

There could be more than one princes, but not more than one archangels.
Do a search and you will see that angels are also called princes,
it's really ridiculous to try and imply princes in that verse is not referring to archangles and especially as Michael is one of them.
The word archangel only appears twice in the bible once referring to the voice of the archangel, as it's just one archangel is why it's in the singular, naturally.
The second occasion is when Michael is engaging satan, one archangel, why would the word be anything other than singular.
Does your bible have many instances of the word archangel?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 10:49am On Apr 15, 2015
JMAN05:
Jesus enjoyed great privileges among Jehovah's sons. This is with good reason because Jehovah taught him to be such a unique son.

But what do you think the word "angel" mean as used in the bible?

As for Hebrew 1:5, it isn't a good proof. one can say that the answer to the question is Jesus.

Does the psalmist have in mind of God begeting God in Psalm 2:7? {but of course the word "God"(elohim) can be used for Jesus and others.}
Hebrews 1:5 is plain sense scripture, You don't believe it because it goes against your doctrine.
you should do what PastorOluT said and change your doctrine to suit Bible scripture.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 10:39am On Apr 15, 2015
vfactor:
I'd like to point out a flaw in your explanation.

Pls read the following scriptures;
Gen 6:2 and compare it with Jude vs 6.
Also read Job 1:6 & 38:7.

But for convenience sake I'll quote Gen 6:2 (KJV).

From the scripture above, angels are sons of God. Calling Jesus the archangel doesn't make any less the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God.
God created the Angels, Angels can be called sons of God,
there is only one begotten son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ (the Word)
God said He has never called an Angel His only begotten son.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74:
Michael the archangel and Jesus Christ (kurios) are diffrent persons.

Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord (kurios) rebuke thee.

Michael asked the Lord the Word Jesus Christ to rebuke the devil.



Michael is not the only archangel:

Dan_10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 1:29am On Apr 15, 2015
vfactor:
Who Is Michael the Archangel?
THE spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?” But who is Michael?

At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion.

Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.

Army Leader. The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.a
The archangel Michael I believe, is the Angel of the Lord.
God gave Revelation to Jesus and Jesus sent it by His Angel to John. Revelation 1:1

Angel of the Lord, not Angel is the Lord.



1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

For the Lord Himself (the Word-Jesus Christ kurios) shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (God-theos): and the dead in Christ shall rise first

If the Lord kurios is the archangel because he descends with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, then the Lord kurios is also God YAHOVAH theos, because He has the trump of God theos.

He may well be Yahovah, But He is not the archangel.

And Christians know that God and the Word are two persons, One God. John 1:1


Michael and his Angels battles satan and his angels and throws him down to Earth.
Michael is chiel of the angels so there is nothing wrong with calling them his Angels.

The Word of God returns to Earth with all His Saints, and His mighty Angels as well.
The Word of God created the angels so there is nothing wrong with calling them His Angels.

Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 12:55am On Apr 15, 2015
PastorOluT:
Produce scriptures where it state Jesus as Michael?
There isn't any.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person ...

And so He isn't an Angel, also:

Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

A dog begets a dog,
a human begets A human,
God begets God, He cannot beget an Angel,
He can create an Angel, and He did.
Christianity Etc › Re: More Headache For Trinitarians!(NON-CHRISTIANS ARE NOT INVITED) by johnw74: 3:55am On Apr 14, 2015
bingbagbo:
TRINITARIANS BELIEVE GOD IS IN 3 PERSONS, NAMELY : GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT.

THESE THREE SEPARATE GODS COME TOGETHER TO FORM ONE TRIUNE GOD.
You are untruthful from the very start of your opening post.
Those believing that the Father and the son and the Holy Spirit are One God,
don't believe that three god's are One God.

You will say as you have said before, that the Father is 1 god, the Son is number 2 god and the Holy Spirit is number 3 god.
They are three persons in God, not three gods in god, but you are confused and cannot understand.
You have done many posts on this, and you have been given all the answers, and you still start another thread on the same subject and sit back and watch all the arguing, and probably laughing I bet.

THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS:

1. YOU SAY GOD THE FATHER'S NAME IS YHWH, GOD THE SON IS JESUS CHRIST,...WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIThuh
Is knowing the name of the holy Spirit suposed to prove something.
I don't know the name of the Holy spirit,
but I know He has a name:
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
God is a name.

2. THE BIBLE SAYS THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT (JOHN 4:24),..AND YOU SAY THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS..SO THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT COMBINES WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS YET ANOTHER SPIRIT??...THEN WHAT OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRISThuh
Father is Spirit, and Holy Spirit is Spirit, not two spirits, they are two persons, One Spirit, One God, Jesus is that same Spirit, another person, One God.
You are another one that challenge what others believe, while not having a clue what they believe, and it shows in your confusion, and false claims of their beliefs.


3 . WHY IS IT THAT JESUS COMMANDED IN MATTHEW 28:19 TO BAPTIZE IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT...
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is God.

AND ACCORDINGLY THE DISCIPLES WHO WERE FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ALL BAPTIZED PEOPLE INTO THE NAME OF JESUS....DOESNT THIS TELL YOU JESUS IS THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY GHOSThuh
Jesus is God.
Jesus is the name of the Son, not the Father, or the Holy Ghost.
You are confused, false doctrine does that.


WAITING cheesy
It's a game to you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Does A Trumpet Mark The End Of The World by johnw74: 2:03am On Apr 14, 2015
The trumpet does sound when the Lord returns in all the Power and Glory of God.
It's the end of the World as we know it, but not the end of the World.
After the Word of God destroys the armies of the World that attack Him, the World will be changed, weapons will be turned into farming equipment, the Lion will lie down with the Lamb.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

There are Good times coming, but some bad times before then.
Faith in Jesus is the only way to come to the good times.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.


There are so many scriptures showing God and the Word as two persons, One God.
Yet false doctrine prevents persons from believing the scriptures.

2Co 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 3:39am On Apr 13, 2015
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

One what, One in agreement, but that's not all, there are three, so they are not one person,
they are one God.

Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 2:48am On Apr 13, 2015
God is the Holy Spirit, the Word is the Holy spirit, God and the Word is the Holy Spirit, the One God is the Holy Spirit:

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, If a man loves Me, he will keep My Word. And My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,

Joh_19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

Joh_19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Referring to Zec 12:10


Zec 12:10 is the LORD (YAHOVAH) talking about He being peirced,
Christians Know that Jesus christ is God in the flesh,
Christians know that God and the Word are God,
but it was not God (Father) who became Jesus, it was God (the Word) who became Jesus,
God and the Word are God but two persons of the Godhead,
The Lord YAHOVAH said He was peirced.

Remember all the verses of God and the Word saying, let us create man in our likeness etc
they are two seperate persons, One God,
the Father and the Son are two persons.
Remember Jesus talking to the Father,
not God talking to Himself as riko mocks, but to another person in God,
Father was not talking to Father, the Word was not talking to the Word,
God was talking with the Word.

Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


God and the Word are two persons and One God.
The Father and the Son are two persons and One God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 1:59am On Apr 13, 2015
There are many scriptures saying that Jesus Christ is God, the son of God, the word, mighty God,
great God etc.
There is not one bible scripture saying that Jesus Christ is Michael or any Angel.
But there is Bible scripture showing that Michael or any other angel is not Jesus Christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 1:43am On Apr 13, 2015
We are saved by God's Grace through our God given faith,
so we can take no credit.

We are not saved by our own works which are described as being like filthy rags before God.

Faith is what God wants.

Christians have Faith.
jw have their own works.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 12:52am On Apr 13, 2015
CAPTIVATOR:
" He is one, and there is no other beside him" , at this Jesus discern that he had answered INTELLIGENTLY . - MARK 12:32-34

YOU have also confess the truth .

TRUTH is light and it will continue to pursue darkness .
And of course that is not all the Truth,
there is One God the Word,
He is one, and there is no other beside Him,
God and the Word are God,
God is the Father, the Word became the Son.

You only believe part of the Truth
like the Jews at this point in time.
Fortunately for them though, God at a future time
is going to take away their blindness, and a remnant of them will be saved.

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