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Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 1:08am On Apr 29, 2015
http://www.jwfacts.com/

Doomsday Quotes

There have been no end of false predictions of the world's end for over a century.

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226
"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith then Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." Watch Tower 1923 Apr 1 p.106
"... the remaining months before Armageddon." Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288
"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p.216
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/favourite-quotes.php

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Yet more failed prophecy, from those who teach Jesus is an angel, "a" god.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
http://www.jwfacts.com/

Favourite Quote about Growing up

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/favourite-quotes.php

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False prophecy, false religion.
Come out of false religion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
http://www.jwfacts.com/

Ironic Quote about Coercion

Referring to people leaving their religion to join Jehovah's Witnesses:

"No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family." Awake! 2009 Jul p.29 (p.28)


Regarding those disfellowshipped from Jehovah's Witnesses:

"Really, what your beloved family member needs to see is your resolute stance to put Jehovah above everything else - including the family bond. … Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail." Watchtower Study Edition 2013 Jan 15 p.16
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/favourite-quotes.php

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Boy, jw hypocrisy is everywhere.
And what a dumb spirit.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 1:52am On Apr 28, 2015
http://www.jwfacts.com

About JWfacts

JWfacts makes it as simple as possible to determine if Jehovah's Witnesses have "the truth."

Since its 1879 inception, Watchtower has preached "the End" is soon, originally predicting it would occur in 1914 and then 1925. This claim was subsequently adjusted to say the End will be very shortly, culminating in billions of humans being killed at God's war of Armageddon.




The teaching that the Last Days started in 1914 is fundamental to the existence of the Watchtower Society, based on Jerusalem being destroyed in 607 B.C. However, all evidence proves Jerusalem to have fallen in 587 B.C., removing any basis for this Watchtower doctrine, and hence the reliant one that the Watchtower Governing Body was chosen in 1919. This is but one of many flaws of Watchtower interpretation regarding the Seven Times of Daniel 4.

Continue reading http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/607-7-times.php



Watchtower has promoted six different explanations for "this generation" of Matthew 24:34. Many Witnesses based their life choices on the generation doctrine that Armageddon would arrive before all those born prior to 1914 had died. The irrational 2010 change to an "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to ignite urgency in Jehovah's Witnesses. Can an organization that makes ongoing critical doctrinal errors rightfully claim to be directed by God?

Follow the remarkable history of this doctrine through over 100 years of Watchtower quotes, and see how the Governing Body continued to adjust the teaching in order to make Jehovah's Witnesses think the end would take place within a few years.

Continue reading http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/generation.php
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 1:35am On Apr 28, 2015
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Michael asked the lord to rebuke the devil, the lord is God.
If Michael was the Word of God who became Jesus Christ, he wouldn't have to ask God to rebuke satan, for the Word is God.
Michael is an angel,
the Word is God, who became Jesus Christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 1:17am On Apr 28, 2015
JMAN05:
BEHOLD he is now discussing with me, when he said he won't. Thank God for ur life. I see u just ignore the topics u know u won't be able to prove biblically.
The Truth seems impossible for jw.
I have told you about nine times now and still you lie.

copy and paste
johnw74: I don't have discussion with those who reject scriptures and change them.

What you think is proof is false doctrine from your changed bible.

I post for my own pleasure, and hopefully some good for someone.

So for about the seventh time I will not be wasting time discussing your false beliefs with you,
but I may from time to time continue to show up some of your wrongs.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 1:10am On Apr 28, 2015
JMAN05:
So pls do not reply to my post if you are not ready to discuss those lies of yours.
It's an ugly spirit that calls Truth lies,
but then you even do it to God's scriptures,
I'm in excellent company.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Male Or Female? by johnw74: 12:59am On Apr 28, 2015
sonmvayina:
For those who care to listen...Elohim is plural and it means both god and goddess.....
Elohim is plural and means God but it doesn't mean goddess.

Elohim is plural because God, is God and the Word, two persons that are the One God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

The Word is with God = two persons
and the Word was God = One God.

Things are not all the same in Heaven as on Earth.

H430

אֱלֹהִים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Total KJV occurrences: 2601
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
Rikoduosennin: Don't be deceived that verse did not call Jesus Almighty God! Almighty God do not pray!
Jesus is not flesh there but with the power of Almighty God.
He is LORD of LORD'S

But of course you don't believe scriptures that are contrary to your false beliefs.

Christians get their beliefs from the Bible.
jw get their bible from their false beliefs.

BTW, Jesus said the Father/YHWH is GREATER than himself- John 14:28. Is Jesus a Liar?
Jesus was man at that time, boy you know little.

What have you been doing throughtout this thread if not accuse JW of lies and deceit.
You shouldn't engage in lies and deceit.

TRY AGAIN!!!.
You like mistaken translations, like your changed bible.

I must say you Lack comprehension skills.

PHRASE: "Like a student asking his master's questions"

Like indicates use of "Simili - Figure of Speech"

WHAT DID I MEAN:
Masters ask their students questions TO TEST their Knowledge or Comprehension.

Students ask questions TO LEARN.

If you assume your students asked question TO MOCK, then there is something wrong with your DISCERNMENT SKILLS.
Ha ha, you cannot stop defending your untruths.
Lie begets lie.

You reject everything I say including the scriptures I produce,
yet you say you wish to learn from me, like a student asking his master questions so that you may understand.

ha ha now I have to laugh again at that,
you are being a hypocrite just like the pharisees, who said similar to Jesus.

RikoduoSennin pharisee: NB: I wish to learn from you, like a student asking his master questions so that he may understand.
Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, ...
Mat 22:16 ...Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, ...
Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? ...
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?


The majority of your last few posts are rejecting scripture.
The usual old thing.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 12:11pm On Apr 27, 2015
Sincere people will always see the light
True and the light exposes jw darkness.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 12:06pm On Apr 27, 2015
RikoduoSennin:
You remind of a time when Saul (Later called Paul) resisted the Christians. Your Zeal is misplaced.

Don't derail this thread, Please.

I am going to discuss this pionts you raised in our thread where you and continue to discuss if Jesus is Almighty God.

I await your reply there. Don't derail this thread, both you and that your apostate friend who runs that dubious website.
This isn't your thread,
jw orders mean nothing to me.

Your calling PG apostate would have to be a blessing to him from God I would imagine,
I wish I once believed jw just so I could be called apostate by jw too,
but if it's any consolation to you, I do believe jw is a deluded sect.
Christianity Etc › Re: Holyghost... by johnw74: 10:48am On Apr 27, 2015
I don't understand the praying in tongues that you talk about,
when you pray in tongues, do you know what you are saying?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Male Or Female? by johnw74: 10:42am On Apr 27, 2015
God is neither male or female as far as spirit goes, which has no gender, but God has personality, and he is described all through the bible as male:
Father, Son, He, Him etc.
Plus God became man.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Bible Said About Speaking In Tongues That All Christians Should Adhere To by johnw74: 10:35am On Apr 27, 2015
Speaking in tongues is the miracle that everyone even if they are dutch german french Israeli etc, they all hear you in their own language and understand you.

Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Can I Get The Holy Spirit? by johnw74: 10:15am On Apr 27, 2015
The saved have the Holy Spirit.
If you want to really experience Him in your life:

When you pray - talk, to God during quite times, and in the quiteness of your mind,
ask Him to help you be a better person, and you will experience Him working in you in various situations.
He will inspire you to think say and do differently to your old ways.
You may go your own way from time to time, but be sure to come back to Him soon.
The best way to stay in Christ is through daily prayer.
I start with, Dear God, and I thank Him for all He does for me, I ask Him for my needs,
and I praise Him because He deserves it.
Talk to Him as you would to someone who Loves you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
The Sign Of The Son Of Man



Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

After endtime tribulation the sun and the moon will be darkened and the stars will fall from Heaven,
then will appear the sign of the Son of Man from Heaven, then they shall see the Son of Man coming in clouds.
First tribulation, second sun moon and stars, third the sign of the Son of Man fourth the Son of Man comes in clouds.

It appears to me that the sign of the Son of Man, is the angel preaching the Gospel to the whole world.

Rev_14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.



The greek word for sign as in sign of the Son of Man is
semeion and it means
supernaturally, miracle, wonder,
and the three of those words fit for seeing an angel in the sky preaching the Gospel of our LORD and Saviour Jesus Christ.

All the people on the earth mourn when they here the Gospel preached, because the Church has already been caught up to God, and they have been preaching a false gospel, believing a false gospel, and unbelievers altogether.
Among those that mourn will be those preaching that Jesus christ is "a god", a angel, just a man, etc.
but it is then to late.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Jesus Christ is LORD of LORD'S, God Almighty.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

God and the Word are One God, One Spirit.

They are two persons.

The unbelievers will never understand.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

They will mourn when they finally believe it, too late, they preferred to believe men who changed the gospel, than God.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74:
paulGrundy:
Hi, could you visit this site

www.jwfacts.com smiley

It has sincere and truthful information about Jehovahs witnesses. smiley
Paul, take away the stop after com
I will have a look at that site too,
when I have time.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 4:20am On Apr 27, 2015
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

LORD
kurios
means Supreme in authority, God.

LORDS
also is kurios, supreme in authority, God.

Jesus Christ returns as God of God's,
with the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God,

Jesus Christ the One True God, who for mankind's sake lowered Himself to that of a servant, and death on the cross.

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

The Word Jesus considered Himself equal to God,
just like scripture says:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In the beginning was the Word, the beginning is before Creation, the beginning is eternity.
In the beginning God the Word - Jesus, made the angels, He made all that exists.
Michael is an angel, the Word Jesus made him,
the Word Jesus is God.

jw blaspheme God saying He is "a god", and so a false God,
as there is only One True God.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 3:03am On Apr 27, 2015
JMAN05:
Oga when did we say we are saved by our own works? Don't shift to another topic, that is what u guys are good at. u don't stick to a topic and prove ur point.
I already told you, I will tell you again, look back for the posts, like it or not.

johnw74: I don't have discussion with those who reject scriptures and change them.

What you think is proof is false doctrine from your changed bible.

I post for my own pleasure, and hopefully some good for someone.

So for about the seventh time I will not be wasting time discussing your false beliefs with you,
but I may from time to time continue to show up some of your wrongs.
Eight times now.


Preaching the goodnews with urgency has always been the method of even the apostles. During the time of Jesus he preached that the kingdom of God has drawn "near". The disciples after him preached with much urgency that even people then thought that the kingdom will come at there time. 2thes 2:2
Yours is the badnews, not the True Gospel of Jesus Christ at all.
The main part of the True Gospel of Jesus Christ is that God became man.
Not a god became man, that is false doctrine to put it very mildly.

Even so called apostolic fathers after the apostles made speculations that failed. (This is by the way sha). You now claim to know our past more than me shey?
I have said I know what jw told me,
but you can only continue in your untruthful way, in lies, as you say.

Don't let me go there sir.
Ha ha again, you scare.

You go anywhere you want, I don't follow you.

2. if a witness tells u that u must be a witness to be saved, that is his personal conviction which may be borne out of the fact that he recognizes that there is only one faith (eph 4:4, 5). Logically this one faith bears all who are marked for survival. He cannot be certain that any who is not part of that one true religion, will be saved. He may also remember that the bible encourages us to get out of Babylon the great, world empire of false religion. failure to do so, that one will share in her sins (rev 18:4). With these knowledge, he may express doubt that people there will be saved.
I agree with you that those in jw are marked.
jw is among that false religion, babylon the great.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 2:30am On Apr 27, 2015
JMAN05:
Oga when do we say that we are saved by our own works?
You search back to the thread where I said we are saved by Grace through faith,
and then look for jw post saying works are also needed.

I say once saved Christians do good works or rather Christ works in us,
but we are saved by grace through Faith.
Scripture is right, jw is wrong again.

When did we make Jesus a false god?
You make Jesus a false god all day and every day when jw say Jesus Christ is not the True God,
there is only One True God, and the Word was with God = two persons, and the Word was God = One God.
I won't mention the Holy Spirit, you cannot digest the milk, you would choke on the meat.

jw say Jesus Christ is "a god"
but there are many god's and only One True God,
if only One God be true, then all others have to be false,
so jw say Jesus Christ is a false God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 1:55am On Apr 27, 2015
RikoduoSennin:
I am not asking where the baptism of John came from?

I am asking this: You said Jesus is God, The Father is God, Both are not the Same being/person, yet God is ONE.

So I ask: How is Jesus and The Father MAKE ONE GOD?
You have this problem with not being able to believe scriptures that go against your false beliefs.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In the beginning
The Word was with God = two persons
the Word was God = One God


Jesus still answer their questions even with their wrong motive. So since you have concluded that I have wrong motives for saying what you quoted above- you still owe me AN ANSWER.

Why I wrote that statement was to help you express yourself more clearly to me, even if you refuse to believe that I am learning new things from your comments. It is left to me, what I do with those things I am learning.
No you were being untruthful and a hypocrit like the pharisees were being with Jesus.

RikoduoSennin: NB: I wish to learn from you, like a student asking his master questions so that he may understand.
Ha ha, you can't even be truthful about something that sticks out like pinochio's nose.

One thing followers of Jesus Christ (Christians) do, is to stop lying, since Jesus is the Truth,
non Christians stick out like that fellas nose.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 1:26am On Apr 27, 2015
RikoduoSennin:
Jesus does not have to be JW God for them to be called "Christians", as long as they follow Jesus they merit the right to be called christians.
jw doesn't follow Jesus Christ,
with jw disbelieving and changing scriptures as you do, you follow another.
By the way the first half of your post was the usual confusion.

@bold section,
Lies or are you blind?
See that spirit in you,
fancy jw accusing another of lies or blindness.

Jesus called YHWH "MY" GOD- Note the possessive term! John 20:17, Revelation 3:2,12.

Also after the Father called Jesus God (Note no possessive term), the Father/YHWH specify the kind of God Jesus really is: A small God who answers to YHWH (Jesus personal God). Read Hebrews well!
See again that spirit in you?
You say when the Father called Jesus God, He meant small God.

According to jw, the Word of God who became man and died a horrible torterous death for us, is a small God, and the Father who delighted in Him called Jesus a small God.

The one you follow has blinded you.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Jesus Christ not a small God as jw mock and blaspheme, but an Almighty God, the God of Christians, the only True God.
God and the Word is God,... jw don't believe, and change scripture saying the Word is "a god"
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 9:30am On Apr 26, 2015
JMAN05:
You claim to know what we teach, isn't it hilarious what you said above?
I have never claimed to know what you teach, but that wouldn't stop you from making false claims.
I do know what jw has said to me.

what I said is not hilarious but true, jw have changed beliefs over the years,
jw told me if your not jw then you are not saved.
You don't even know all that jw taught 35 years ago,
that there are only a few holy ones alive today (in 1980) and so the kingdom will come soon now,
and much more.
Those few holy ones still alive 35 years ago must be 130 or so today, yet the oldest person in the world is about 115.


So according to what you say, but not using your choice of accusative words which are not allowed in most forums, it's jw that tell the untruths.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 9:06am On Apr 26, 2015
JMAN05:
It is this kind of lies that make people hate the witnesses.
You will tell me exactly what those lies are wont you?
johnw74: Jesus was not liked because satan inspired people against Him, he still does.

Jw's are not liked because they are self righteous,
they even believe that they are saved by their own works.

Jesus is not liked because He made himself out to be God, which He is.

jw's are not liked because they make Him out to be "a god", and of course with
there only being one True God, then all others are false gods.

jw makes Jesus Christ out to be a false god.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 6:53am On Apr 26, 2015
Christians believe that Christ's finished work on the cross is all that is needed for Salvation,

jw believe things have to be added to what Jesus did, like works for one thing, you have to be a jw is another.

Most all the false religious orginisations and sects, say you have to be one of them to be saved,
that is one way of knowing what is a false religion ... you have to be one of them.

Christians are saved by Grace through Faith, we have Faith in Jesus Christ sacrifice for our Salvation.

jw say, what Jesus did is not enough.

jw say they are Christians, pathetic.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 4:42am On Apr 26, 2015
Jesus was not liked because satan inspired people against Him, he still does.

Jw's are not liked because they are self righteous,
they even believe that they are saved by their own works.

Jesus is not liked because He made himself out to be God, which He is.

jw's are not liked because they make Him out to be "a god", and of course with
there only being one True God, then all others are false gods.

jw makes Jesus Christ out to be a false god.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
RikoduoSennin:
You evade. Just like the Pharasees did with Jesus- Matthew 21:25-27
The baptism of John is from Heaven.



RikoduoSennin Pharisee: NB: I wish to learn from you, like a student asking his master questions so that he may understand.
Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
Mat 22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74:
RikoduoSennin:
JW gave you answers, You rejected them.

You evade. Just like the Pharasees did with Jesus

Evasive as usual.

hypocritical much?
When I say that to you I am being truthful,
but the best you can do is copycat, and untruths.


You expect an answer from me but You won't answer my questions-
your untruthfulness exceeds that of the pharacees.
johnw74: I'm not interested in explaining Truth to you anymore since you blasphemed God
and reject His scriptures.
But I may from time to time show up some of your wrongs.
Hosea 12:3,4 - " Angel is God too"
Jesus is not an angel, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Is God an angel?


And John 20:17 says Jesus (Your God) has a God he is going to"
By saying that, I am glad that you have put it in writing that the Word Jesus Christ is not your God,
He is the God of King David and every other God fearing believer.
Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
And jw call themselves Christians, pathetic.

jw's say they are Christians but Jesus Christ is not their God.
God is Jesus Christ and His Father, God and the Word, John called Him God, the Father called Him God, jw call Him a god.
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Moderators Why ....cant have Jesus appear in CAPITAL LETTERS. by johnw74:
J3SUS

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehova Witnesses, I Want To Join Your Church, Help Me!!! by johnw74: 2:34am On Apr 24, 2015
JMAN05:
That sound nice to me. what do u think?

But why do u reject the offer sir?
I have discussed with jw in the past and I have seen their predictions fail and new ones emerge.

When I say I am not interisted in discussing beliefs with jw, that is true.

But you are showing that you have great difficulty in believing what is true.

JMANO5:
OK, but will u change if you see that your position is wrong sir?

Sir, will you change if you see your position was wrong?

will u change if u see proof?

but will u change if u see proof?

are u willing to change sir?
Wrong Spirit.
Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by johnw74: 1:23am On Apr 24, 2015
bingbagbo:
Are u now a Jehovah's witness??.................
That's how little you know.

Proverbs chapter 8 is not talking about Jesus..............
If proverbs 8:22-30 is not talking about God and the Word who became Jesus christ,
then who is it talking about?

why are u bent on defending a teaching that is not scriptural?.....Cant you read vividly that God is one?..not 3 persons but ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....SEE,
I know God is One, I have said it many times, how come you don't know that?
Three persons is not three gods,
you cannot see it,
you say three persons is one person,
aka you say the Son is the Father, and you don't even see how ridiculous that is.
If you said it this way, the Son and the Father is God then you would be making sense.


44:24
"This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,

"there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10

"Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4

"For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32
"You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
"You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6

"Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10

"Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8

"I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is[b] no God.[/b]" Isaiah 45:5

"I am Yahweh, and there is[b] none else."[/b] Isaiah 45:18

"Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21

"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and[b] there is no one like Me"[/b] Isaiah 46:9

"And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9
Yes I know God is One, He is three persons not three God's.
But you don't believe the scriptures showing God and the Word (Jesus) to be two persons.
Yahweh is the name of God,
God is God and the Word,
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word (Jesus) was with God, two persons.

You reject scriptures and give them other meanings as many do to their peril,
this verse below shows the Holy Spirit, Jesus and the Father together at the same time:

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Remember according to you the Holy Spirit didn't come upon Jesus, and the Fathers voice was not heard from heaven, and the three persons of God were not together at the same time.
You reject and change scripture as much as anyone, and that could be eternally fatal.
You shouldn't play games with God's Word.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Salvation By Faith Alone Or By Faith Plus Works, Is It Even By Faith At All? by johnw74: 3:38am On Apr 23, 2015
Our salvation is all thanks to God, we begin with seeking Him and He does the rest.

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

The Grace is from God
our Faith is from God

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
But many boast that they are saved by their works, jw and others that must think they are mighty, and don't need the shed blood of the Saviour.

Once saved God does works in us, Faith without works is dead.
God does it all.

First you seek God, not an angel or a wise man, but God.



If a person says he is a Christian and he is not becoming a better person, perhaps slowly, but surely over time (Christ working in Him),
then he either was not saved to begin with (perhaps he believed in an angel instead of in God),
or by turning back to worldly ways, he has rejected his salvation.

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