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CAPTIVATOR:
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JB reads: “Be on your guard for yourselves and for
all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you
the overseers, to feed the Church of God which he
bought with his own blood.” (KJ, Dy, NAB use
similar wording.)

However, in NW the latter part of
the verse reads: “the blood of his own
[Son].” (TEV reads similarly. Although the 1953
printing of RS reads “with his own blood,” the 1971
Edition reads “with the blood of his own Son.” Ro
and Da simply read “the blood of his own.”)

The version Hiswordxray posted is correct, the word for "his own" or for "his own Son", which is in the nw version, in the old Greek text is "idios" which means: pertaining to self, that is, one's own;
And the word "Son" is not in that verse in the old text, it has been added.

YOUR X-RAY IS NOT WORKING, if its working you would have examined Which rendering(s) agree with 1 John 1:7, which
says: “The blood of Jesus his [God’s] Son
Cleanses us from all sin”?

There is nothing wrong with 1 John 1:7 saying that the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin. Most Christians know that Jesus is the Son of God and that Jesus is God the Word.
Acts 20:28 is just one more verse showing that Jesus is God.

( See also
Revelation
1:4-6 .) As stated in John 3:16, did God send his
only-begotten Son, or did he himself come as a
man, so that we might have life? It was the blood,
[b]not of God, but of his Son that was poured out. [/b]

It is established that the Son is God the Word, you just don't believe it.

Maamin:
1 In the beginning was the Word(Jesus), and the Word(Jesus) was with God(Yahweh), and the Word(Jesus) was God.

Hope this should make it very clear for you..emphasis on the word "with".

CAPTIVATOR:


Thank you bro , John himself is not silly , HE REPEAT IN VERSE 2 " this one was in the beginning WITH God" John 1:2 emphasis on " WITH" again

"with" shows that God is two persons, God and the Word, "and the Word was God".

And with God, and the Word, being God, the Word cannot be "a" god,
for God is One God, not God and "a" god.

bingbagbo is wrong if he says God and the Word are one person, he seems to confuse God is One God meaning God is one person,
which many others also confuse.
jw is wrong saying the Word is "a" god, that makes two gods, God and "a" god.

CAPTIVATOR:
MR MAN, not just until death .. Christ is in heaven when that scripture was written . God is still his head.
And dont u read that the son will forever be subjected under the authority of his God and Father ( 1 cor 15:24-28) ?

The Word is subjected to God, that is not saying the Word is not God is it?
We know the Word is God.
But it is talking specifically about the flesh Jesus.

The different between me and you is that , in ur own case , u dont employ ur brain .... U absorb trash , hook line and sinker ! You dont apply logical explanation , and u dont even understand what u ar saying ,

You say that, when what I said is according to scripture.

johnw74:


The Word (God) who is equal with God (John 1:1), lowered Himself and became man, the Son of God, for a purpose, and was obedient to God unto death.

answer this : If God the Father AND Jesus are one God, Why Didnt The Father also die when Jesus died for three days if they are ? Or ar they not one God again ?

That's ridiculous, Jesus flesh body died, God never died.
Even us mere humans when our bodies die, our spirit goes back to God who gave it.

BUT FOR ME , I follow the footstep of the apostles , THEY dont just quote scriptures ... They apply logical reasoning , yes they " REASONING From the scriptures" Act 17:2

Truly you don't follow the footsteps of the Apostles,
the Apostles knew Jesus is God, which is just one thing, they knew which you don't.

The different between me and you is that , in ur own case , u dont employ ur brain .... U absorb trash , hook line and sinker ! You dont apply logical explanation , and u dont even understand what u ar saying

Always the false accuser.

The main difference between me and you is, the Holy Spirit is not in you, as shown by your bad spirited posting.

It is you who doesn't understand what I am saying, and that is understandable.

CAPTIVATOR:
Remove the logs from ur eyes first , GENTLEMAN.
U just point fingers as if u know it all whereas you have been seriously deceived .

No I point fingers at what I know.

If the statement " a god" is wrong , why did your translators employ and used it in Act 28:6? Explain pls

"a god" is wrong when referring to the True God.

Act 28:6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

Paul or anyone or anything can be called a god.
People saying Paul must be a god because he didn't die from the snake bite doesn't mean that "a god" can save you, it means they though "a god " can save you, they were not Christians.

There is only One God that saves.

bingbagbo:


THEN YOU DONT BELIEVE GOD IS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's ridiculous, how many times have I said God is One God? that's like the jw's who keep falsely saying:
you believe Jesus is "a" god.

ISAIAH 9:6....JESUS IS CALLED THE EVERLASTING FATHER!!!!!!

Because God and the Word is God,
because the Father and Jesus is God

God and the Word, the Father and the Son are two persons,
there are many verses in the Bible where God and the Word speak together,
there are many places in the Bible where the Father and Jesus speak together.
God and the Word, Father and Son are two persons.


Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

There in that verse is the Holy Ghost, Jesus Christ, and the voice of the Father from Heaven, together at the same time.

God is One, means that God is the only One true God.
It doesn't mean that He is one person.
You say that the Son is the Father, doesn't that mean the Father and the Son is one person?
that doesn't even make sense, they are One God not one person.

Perhaps you don't believe that God and the Word, is God,
two persons in the One True God.

macof:
Lmao you want us to believe absurdity and not be ashamed? Come on! maybe for you but not for me

I'm posting to you, not us (fellow non believers).
Why ask me about scriptures to begin with?
Just make a post saying scriptures are absurd, and I wouldn't have wasted my time replying to you.

Maamin:
Oh dear! Your case is worse bringing more poorly translated bible verses wont help either. Jesus was never equal to Yahweh! No!

Because Jesus is called God you think he is equal to God the father(Yahweh)? No!

Your lack of faith can not cancel my believe..smh!

Always meditate on John 3:16..who knows you might eventually snap out of your delusion.

Shalom!

He doesn't appear to be lacking in faith, and is certinally not deluded.

Perhaps your problem is having a puffed up spirit.

CAPTIVATOR:
Am not a primary school kid okay , I saw 2 names mentioned , " his ( Jesus) name and the name of HIS FATHER" clearly written in Rev 14:1 , answer me who is His Father ?

Jesus Father is God, and Jesus is the Word who also is God.
And as God is One God, the Word is not a god.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

CAPTIVATOR:
So, you are soo ignorant to this extent ... The use of " a" is supplied by all Bible Translator to make the greek text easily read and understand in english . Show me a bible translation that didnt use the article "a" at all in it translation from Matthew To Revelation ?

An example is this :

John 4:23 reads literally " God is spirit "

MANY translations say " God is a spirit"
Ar they wrong ? Ur case is indeed special, Dont continue in religious ignorance .


ONE MORE EXAMPLE :

Act 28:6 literally it reads " thought he was GOD" ( do u even know there is no capital -small letter diferenciation in the original greek)

But bible translations say " thought he was a GOD (god)"

Us Christians unlike the jw sect believe that God is "the" One God, not "a" god of which there are many false gods.

Mar_12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So God and the Word are One God,
not God and a god as jw falsely dictate.

CAPTIVATOR:
So, even if am not a christian ... You will quote this kind of poor translation for me , I SHOULD LET THIS MIND BE IN ME ..... THAT I SHOULD ALSO THOUGHT IT NOT ROBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD . Which means If I Said am equal with God, Am Very Right Since thats the same mind in Jesus Christ ..... Am sure this ur doctrine is 100% directly from Satan Himself .

Your interpretation of it is. You don't believe those scriptures.

That Scripture Never said they are equal. That humans are 'GODS' never mean they are equal with God , Does It ?

John 1:1 says They are Both God, that's quite equal.

We both agree that Jesus is a God .

I don't agree with you at all on that, is it impossible for jw to be honest?

But u ignore the part that said " the word was WITH God" , he was with someone ? The God ,

Didn't ignore that part, the Word was with God, and the Word was God

but do u agree that "this God is head of Christ"1 Cor 11:3 ?

The Word (God) who is equal with God (John 1:1), lowered Himself and became man, the Son of God, for a purpose, and was obedient to God unto death.

bingbagbo:
GOD IS ONE......they are not two persons....the same person.....the voice that said "my beloved son" was a sign unto John the baptist that JESUS was the one he had been preparing the way for....

It was more than a sign, it was the the Fathers voice from Heaven.

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

There in that verse are the three persons of God at one time,
the Holy ghost in bodily shape descending on the body of Jesus and the Fathers voice from Heaven saying "Thou art my beloved Son".
Holy Ghost, Father, Son = three persons.

As for Jesus prayed to the father....remember the father was in HIM (JESUS), and all righteousness had to be fulfilled....

Jesus wasn't talking to the Father in Him, but to the Father in Heaven.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven...

Jesus again talks to the Father, not to Himself:
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do...

God is one God, Father and Son are two persons.

JESUS IS SAME AS THE FATHER.....

Yes He is the same as the Father, but not the Father, He is the son.

That was why when he was asked show us the father in John 14:8....he answered " Even when i have been that long with you, you still dont know me?"..."how can you ask me to show you the father?, anyone that has seen me has seen the father"

Because as you said, He is the same as the Father, the father and the son are God.

further references: DEUTERONOMY 6:4, JAMES 2:19, JOHN 10:30, JOHN 1:1, ZACHARIAH 12:10, TITUS 2:13, 2 PETER 1:1, ACTS 20:28, JOHN 20:28, REVELATIONS 22:12-16...........1 TIMOTHY 3:16

re those verses, We know our God is One God,
Our God, is God and the Word, two persons of the Godhead, One God.

I won't go into the Holy Spirit here.

johnw74:


Rom_10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

macof:
Obviously because such person no longer has power over his mind

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

If Christ Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God, then He was equal with God.
John 1:1 says He is equal with God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

naijaclinic:
Oga you ignored the line where Jesus was called "Mighty God" as opposed to "Almighty God".
I guess you were only interested in the word "father".

Mighty God is Almighty God.

Of cos Jesus deserves all the titles he is called. However if the purpose your post is to make Jesus same as Jehovah, you'll have your work cut out. You may need to change the topic since your "proofs" are denying themselves.

Jesus and Jehovah are diffrent persons but One God.

The Father said to the Son:
Psa_110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The Son and the Father, the Word and God, are two persons, and One God.

macof:
What truths do the Bible hold?
You should be ashamed believing a man died 2000yrs before you were born, yet this death is a fraud cus Jesus needs to die spiritually to save us spiritually

Rom_10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

bingbagbo:
Zechariah 12:10

"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.


JESUS IS THE FATHER

THE SON IS THE FATHER

In as much as Jesus and the Father is God, but they are two persons,
the Father said when Jesus was baptised, "this is My Beloved Son",
and Jesus prayed to the Father "Our Father who is in Heaven"...
Also, God and the Word, are God, and are two persons,
they spoke with each other, "let Us make man in Our image"...etc.

So the Son isn't the Father, the Son is the Word, the Father is God, they are two persons in the One God.

Seeming irregularities in the Bible do not discourage believers, because of their God given faith.

Some read the Bible looking for Truth, those who seek the Truth find it unto Salvation.

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jesus Christ is the only name given under Heaven by which we must be saved.

Jesus is our Salvation.




Isa_12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Jehovah is our Salvation.

Many moons ago i visited a pentecostal church to see what they were about, their speaking in tongues sounded like mumbo jumbo.
On about my secong visit, the pastor invited people who needed healing to go forward.
One man who looked normal complained of pain in the leg and the pastor said your problem is that one leg is longer than the other, so he sat him down and said holy spirit make this leg as long as the other, and then he said no stop Lord you have gone to far (apparently God didn't know when to stop). The pastor said back up lord, that's it stop. And the person stood up bouncing around, he was healed, (yeah sure).
Another man among the people that came forward, really had one leg shorter than the other, he was wearing a boot with a built up sole. The pastor avoided him and dealt with the others. When this man was the only one left, He didn't sit him down and ask god to make his leg the same length as the other, he just said that the man didn't have the faith to be healed and prayed over him.
Of course I didn't go back there again, just like I don't invite jw's into my home anymore, just like I don't go to rc mass etc.
Study the Bible for yourself, and there are plenty of good Christians that you can find to study with. Some of the Churches may be good also, look around.

JMAN05:
If you are serious, you create a thread. this thread is for something else.

I'm serious alright, you read my post.
This is djmask thread not yours, I'm not creating a new thread to comment on something you said in this thread.

You don't have to reply to my comment, but if you want to and it looks like you do, then do it here, or create a new thread replying to my post and let me know.

JMAN05:
create a thread for these and invite me. just let the discussion be free of word fight, if not, I ll withdraw.

Why ask for a new thread all the time?
you said something in this thread,
and I replied to you about that in this same thread.

And would you point out the word fight in my post.

The holy spirit is being poured out and likened to a gift to different People and it is being used to anoint .
Luke 11:13 explains that God gives those who ask for it the holy spirit just like a father gives his children gifts. Surely this holy spirit is not a person.

We have a human spirit,
without it we are a corpse, and it goes back to God who gave it.
God gives his own spirit to believers, the Holy Spirit.

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

the Father is Spirit, He is a person.
Saying His Spirit is not a person is saying the Father who is Spirit is not a person.

Holy does not mean active and
Spirit does not mean force.

Holy means sacred, pure etc.
spirit means mind, and is likened to air which cannot be seen.

God gives His own mind to dwell in believers.
The more the faith of a believer, the more they are in tune with God's own mind.


1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Php_2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

RikoduoSennin:
There is no point continuing this discussion if you do not trust my motives.

Keep your opinions to yourself then!

Did you really expect that to be believed.
It's the same as the pharisees hypocritically said to Jesus.

riko:

I wish to learn from you, like a student asking his master questions so that he may understand.

RikoduoSennin:
God did not give Abraham, Isaac and Moses Faith, they proved their Faith. Read Hebrew chapter 11 and see how.

"Abraham put Faith and it was counted to him as righteousness and he became God's friend"- Apostle James said.

God did not give the centurion and the Shunnamite woman faith, they manifest it on their own.

God is in control,
He chose them,
He inspired their faith and they acted on it.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You boast it's your own faith, you are saved because of you.

That is the ultimate rubbing Jesus face in the dirt.

RikoduoSennin:
Yet the writer of that book also says That 'Great' God (as you claimed) has his own personal more superior God he worships.- Ephesians 1:3 "Blessed be THE GOD AND FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS...."

Hehehe, your great God has a God he answers to!

He is my Great God, He is the great God as that verse says,
and not yours as you show.

Of course Jesus the Son worships His Father,
the Word God lowered Himself and became flesh for a purpose,
and you cannot understand that the Son of God (Jesus) is God (the Word),
even though it's right there in the Bible,
because your changed unholy version of the bible say's that He is a god.

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

You think that the great God is not referring to the One True God - amazing.
You believe that God is not One,
but two gods, the great god, and the Almighty God,
mighty god and Almighty God,
a god and Almighty God.

According to your belief John 1:1 would read like this:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god,
and so God, is God and a god - NOT
and ridiculous.

JMAN05:
True, if someone with the fear of God had been on the throne instead of Hitler, the killings probably would not have occurred. however, that a God fearing person choose to contest does not mean he will win, and it may not be realistic that a Godfearing person will rule in every nation, don't you agree?

John 6:15 showed that Jesus rejected to be made a king. Can we say he was silly to reject?

we respect the authorities because God said we should, but if the rulers take a step against God's written word, there actions become condemnable and that being the case, we will obey God's word rather than them. acts 5:29

Yes and the jw org. is condemmed

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

jw remove Spirit of God and put in active force.


Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

This is God talking,
jw remove me and put in the one.

They change what the Bible says to make it fit their false doctrines.
You are right JMANO5 they are condemmed.

they are just two verses out of many.

John wrote concerning the book of revelation:

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


I imagine that would apply to the other books of the Bible as well.

CANTICLES:
Mr, its either u deny trinity or agree with catholicism . answer

I don't deny trinity and I don't agree with catholicism, so you are wrong again.

Mary is the mother of ? Jesus OR God himself

I answered this, please look for it.

RikoduoSennin:
Interesting, I like the bold section above.

So in otherwords:

The Lamb means Jesus

The Seven Horns means ______________(what?)

A horn represents power, the seven horns may refer to the almighty power of Jesus Christ.

Eyes on the Lamb means The Seven Spirits of God. How are the Seven spirits the eyes on the Lamb?

Just believe the scripture that says so.

So you mean, The Seven Spirits of God means the Seven Angels of God.

In the end time the seven Spirits of God go forth through out the Earth,
the seven Trumpet Angels of Revelation perform Christ's judgments through out the Earth

Can we interchange Spirits for Angels? If yes, why?

Angels are Spirits.

How can we differentiate between God's Holy and every other Spirit being which are Holy in themselves eg Angels?

God's Holy Spirit is not an Angel, but God Himself. God also is Spirit.

The Father is a Spirit and is holy. Jesus is now a spirit and is Holy too. How does the one called Holy Spirit fit in?

Still going around in confused circles.

NB: I wish to learn from you, like a student asking his master questions so that he may understand.

I remind you often to be honest, but it seems impossible for some.

Your dishonesty is like the pharasees who tried to trick Jesus,
as if they could.

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
Mat 22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

RikoduoSennin:
Yet you have read that "Faith without WORK is DEAD". So can one be saved by gace if his Faith is DEAD?

Is the faith that God gives those seeking Him a dead faith?
Of course not, once Believers are saved through faith, we do good works,
or more exactly, then Christ does good works in us.

riko:

THE COMING OF GOD'S KINGDOM not JESUS' SECOND COMING like you accused them of saying

Or somethinh like that I said,
it was thirty or fourty years ago.
you should be honest with your quoting.

riko:

Concerning Few holy ones left or the End of this system being close- our beliefs have not changed

Thirty or fourty years ago jw's were saying that a few holy ones were all that were left then and they were very old and so the kingdom is very near.
Those few still alive today must be 130 years or older.

Anyone can paint others in a bad light as long as they quote you out of context.

And that is exactly what you do.

Your intentions are not pure.

They think they know you, and they falsely accuse
and they say you lie, when what you say is true.


Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Do you see that the Great God is our Saviour Jesus Christ.

RikoduoSennin:
What is the meaning of the WORD "TO WITNESS"- Jesus and his disciples preached about the Gospel/Goodnews of the Kingdom of God- they declare God's Glory. So too does JW. It was God who called us his witness in the book of Isaiah.

If it's not the truth, then it's not Good news.

paulGrundy:
Our Kingdom will come soon or shortly, we have been waiting since 1914 (100 years) for the kingdom to come "soon" e never come. Some of us have sold our possesion, refused to take a university education some have refused to take a job, instead prefer to spend our full years in pioneer service. Because as we are told it'll come shortly or soon.

Yeah, our kingdom nearly come thirty five years ago, when nearly all the holy ones were dead from old age,
it not come then and we work out another time when it come, it didn't come then either,
they tell us it come soon though,
maybe one holy one still alive, he would only be one hundred and thirty years old now.