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RikoduoSennin:
Well, it is one man's (your) opinion!
The argument is between Mighty God and Almighty God NOT about "Great" or NWT, PLEASE!!




@ bold section, You still don't get me.

John is a Chief.

John is a Big chief.

James is a Chief.

Q: Does the Fact that James is address as "Chief" make him a "Big chief"

Q: Does the Fact that John can be called a "Chief" does that make him and James equal, because James is also a "Chief"

Q: As John is a Chief does that mean he is NOT the "Big Chief" of the community or does John being the "Big Chief" stop him from being refer to as just "Chief" on some occasions? If John is address as just "Chief" does that demote him from being the "Big Chief"

As usual when jw lose points he changes direction.
The original comment by jw was saying, "there is a diffrence between mighty and Almighty"

Now where Jehovah is concerned, (not two chiefs john and james) but one person, Jehovah, there is no diffrence between mighty and Almighty because He is called both.

Unless He is mighty on some ocassions and Almighty on other ocassions, NOT.

It's very simple, but jw go on and on and on complicating it to try and win points.
Looking for truth is the way to go, not winning points for false beliefs.


You remember me saying you - jw don't believe the scriptures, it's either you don't believe the scriptures or are blind to the scriptures, or want to remain in unbelief or are confused, perhaps deluded.
God does cause delusion to those who don't believe.

I, anyway believe along with scriptures that Jehovah is mighty God and Jehovah is Almighty God because they say so.
And if God is mighty and Almighty then they mean the same when referring to Him.
It's really easy, but you will have to think on it if you are entrenched in what you must believe.

stingbreed:
Jesus wasn't giving reference to himself when he said thou shall not tempt the lord thy God.... He was rebuking d devil from making him tempt his father....

Ofcourse?

Yes I have discussed The flesh Jesus (Son) being subjected to God, and Jesus the Word being God, if you want to look for it.

RikoduoSennin:
I don't disagree with the Bible.

You do and you must be blind to it.
Your jw nwt has the word "great" instead of the word "mighty" which means the same.

It seems you don't even try to understand that; The title "Almighty God" is greater than Just "Mighty God" ( just like in Ogoniland, "Beremene" - Big/Head Chief is bigger than Just "Chief", Even though the one called beremene is firstly a Chief like other chief, he is far superior to other chiefs by virtual of him being Head/wield more power and influence)

Yes a big chief is greater than just a ordinary chief,
but you don't understand that mighty God and Almighty God is applied to the one Jehovah.
Jehovah is called both mighty God on one ocassion and Almighty God on another ocassion.
And so Jehovah is both mighty God and Almighty God, meaning, with Jehovah mighty and Almighty mean the same because they are describing Him on diffrent ocassions.
Perhaps you think that on one ocassion Jehovah was not as mighty as on the other ocassion.
or perhaps you don't believe Deu_7:21.
There are other verses where Jehovah is called mighty God.

Gen_49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel
Deu_7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.
Psa_50:1 A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
Psa_132:2 How he sware unto the LORD, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;
Psa_132:5 Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.
Isa_10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
Jer_32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,
Hab_1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.

Jehovah is called mighty God eight times in the OT,
Jehovah is called Almighty God three times in the OT.

Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Eze_10:5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.
Rev_19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

CAPTIVATOR:
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I asked for EVIDENCE .... But u got none ! Calling Jesus " True God" when ITS NOT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE ! If u know the bible u wont have commit such error .

I have, and others also have posted much scripture showing Jesus the word is God, along with Jehovah.
You reject that scripture, and I for one am not going to keep posting it.

stingbreed:
Yes u are right,,, but d onus of d matter is d argument that the son is the same person as d father... That is totally wrong

Yes the Father and the Son are obviously not the same person, they are two persons, and One God,
God and the Word (John 1:1).

Remember the when d devil tempted Jesus....remember his responses

Yes I have discussed The flesh Jesus (Son) being subjected to God, and Jesus the Word being God, if you want to look for it.

Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Well done

Emusan:
We are not disputing about this but the Hebrew scholars say Yahweh is MORE CORRECT in pronunciation than Jehovah which Jehovah's Witness know about and agree with.

The question now is why will Jehovah's witness chose Jehovah rather than Yahweh?
Of which the origin of Jehovah is from a Catholic monk.

If the four letter name for God, YHWH is correct,
then YAHWEH would seem the proper full name.

God's name was first with Hebrew speaking people.
In Hebrew God's name is:

Yhovah

Pronounced:

yeh-ho-vaw

For much of the rest of the world God's name has been translated from YHOVAH to:

JEHOVAH, if my memory is correct by the Germans.

If YHWH is correct it would seem to be more accurately translated as:

YAHWEH

But YHOVAH is from YHVH.

I wonder why jw nwt changed even the Hebrew theonym (4 letters)?

CAPTIVATOR:
^ ^

- SHOW me where Jesus is called " the TRUE GOD" ?

If you don't see written in the Bible the exact quote "Jesus is the true God" then you don't believe it,
are you 8 years old?
jw doesn't know the Bible, is certain.

RikoduoSennin:
I will disagree with you: An Almighty God is not the same as A Mighty God.

You disagree with the bible.

Deu_7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD (Jehovah) thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD (Jehovah) appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

stingbreed:
John 3: 16
For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son.............

I do not know if this thread was opened just to argue blindly...

Jesus is God..! Yes
Who was made king in heaven by the father, he is the father of salvation hence u can call him the father of salvation but he is not the almighty God Jehovah....
The holy spirit is God's active force....? An entity that shows the presence of the almighty God so he is one with God but isn't the almighty God....

The Holy Spirit is God, the word "Holy" should tell you something, but we have been through that, look for the threads - posts, if you want.

Jesus Christ was made king in heaven, hence he is God but not the almighty God..

Jehovah is the almighty God
Jesus is the son of the almighty God, he can also be called mighty God....
Holy spirit is God's active force, who manifests God's presence here on earth......

Note: there is a difference between mighty & almighty

If Yahovah is mighty God and Yahovah is Almighty God, then where is the difference?

Deu_7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God (Yahovah) is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD (Yahovah) appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.




Also as you said Jesus is called mighty God, I agree with you,
Jesus is mighty God, and Yahovah is mighty God, because they are God, God and the Word is God.

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child (Jesus Christ) is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Yahovah (God) and Jesus (the Word) are God.
Not Yahovah alone, but Yahovah God and Jesus the Word is the One True God (John 1:1)

An2elect2:
Okay let me be clear. They are one Spirit being.

Jesus is the Father himself. There are no two Gods/ spirits.

Hope you grab now.

You are as clear as mud, avoiding a simple question,
Ok you say like some others here that two persons are one person,
you stay with that.

Maamin:
Here is little more explanation on that:
Please note that the King James Version (used here) designates the Hebrew name Jehovah (or Yahweh) with "LORD" spelled with all letters capitalized; Adonai, meaning "Lord" or "Master," is designated by "Lord;" and "Elohim," is translated as "God." Thus, in Deut. 4:35, for example, the phrase "the LORD he is God," would be literally translated, "Jehovah, he is Elohim." (In those instances were Adonai is used as a compound with Jehovah, the latter term is spelled GOD, so that the compound name "Lord GOD" designates the Hebrew, "Adonai Jehovah".

1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

There is none unto(or equal) to YHWH..this is one undeniable truth.

It's a simple truth.
You are right there is none equal to YHVH
YHVH plus a few more letters is the name of God
God is, God and the Word, there is none equal to God.

God and the Word is God
Father and Son is God
Yahovah and adon adon is God

An2elect2:
They are one.

You said Jesus Christ is God
and you said the Father is God
Why can't you say Jesus Christ and the Father are two persons?
they are One God yes
but you don't believe like some others here that Jesus Christ and the Father is one person
do you?

Freksy:
Adam was our first father. He would have been alive till date, and no mankind would have experienced death if his relationship with God was intact. When he (Adam, our first father) lost his precious relationship with God, we all need, as it were, a new father. God sent his Son from heaven to be that new Adam to replace the first one. The Bible says: “‘The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven.”

Jesus, “the last Adam,” is like “the first man Adam” in that He was a perfect man, capable of fathering perfect offspring, who could live forever in perfection on earth.— Psalm 37:29; Revelation 21:3, 4. It is because of this that Jesus is prophetically described at Isaiah 9:6 as "everlasting father". His fatherhood will give us everlasting life, unlike that of our first father/Adam. If we exercise faith in Jesus, he will become both our 'everlasting father' and our 'savior'.




Your earlier quote in bold tells us how he will accomplish John 16:7....by telling his father to send.

If a message is sent in your name, as you requested, it's as good as saying "you sent it".

None of the above submission by you is proof that Jesus is the father that sent Jesus.

Very knowledgeable post.

Maamin:
It is sometimes a jaw dropping claim if you get to hear what people consider in the ideology of God talking about the Triniterians most especially. In as much as I dont know it all, but one sure thing is that there is but oly one and only true God and he is Yahweh.

Shalom aleikhem

Y'hovah (God) is the one and only True God,
The Word is the one and only true God,
they are two persons, One God.

King David said:
The LORD said to my Lord
Yahovah said to adon adon meaning soverign ruler
God said to the Word
Father said to son.
Psalm 110

RikoduoSennin:
ALL-MIGHTY GOD is greater than a MIGHTY GOD. The difference is in the Title held by each.

Almighty God is mighty God:

Deu_7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD (Jehovah) thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD (Jehovah) appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Jesus is also called mighty God.

RikoduoSennin:
Is there are different meaning for Mediator or Intermediary (RSV)? A mdiator in behalf of not one but two parties.

God ----Jesus(mediator)--- Man

You cannot back up your claim that there is another god with God in the Godhead, so you change the subject, very weak.

Rev 1:1 "God-Jesus-Angels-John(Man)" if Jesus is the same as God there why didn't the revelation come from him?

Jesus is the same as God, He is the Word, it didn't come from Jesus because it came from the Father God, they are two seperate persons, One God, the Father can give Jesus a revelation, and vise versa would be OK with me.
You haven't anything at all have you, round and around with the same things over and over again.
It's because you reject the scripturesa given you and believe changed scripture by jw that suits jw doctrines.

riko:

ALL-MIGHTY GOD is greater than a MIGHTY GOD. The difference is in the Title held by each.

Jehovah is called mighty God and,
Jehovah is called Almighty God,
both titles are referring to the same God Jehovah.
Jesus is also called mighty God.

CAPTIVATOR:
You said " a god should not be used for the True God" !
in line with your statement you have to SHOW ME WHERE Jesus is called " the true God" ?

You have been shown the Truth many times, you reject it.

The Word is with God and the Word "IS" God
The word became Jesus Christ.
You don't know the Truth because you reject the Truth.
And you go round and around in circles.

READ UR BIBLE ...

Ha ha, I should say to you, get a Bible, an unchanged Bible.

Maamin:
Hahahaha but trinitarians says that they are co-equal yet they are different,

Talk about ha ha's, this believer says they are three persons yet they are One God.

An2elect2, you say Jesus Christ is God,
and you say the Father is God.
And you are correct, for most people Jesus Christ is one person and the Father is another person,
that makes two persons, One God.
Some here are saying that Jesus Christ and the Father are one person.
And the Holy Spirit, all one person.
I'm sure they confuse the word person with the word God.

Maamin:
Your explanation went smoothly but the bolded got me thinking..are there no longer three persons in the Godhead?

Yes there are, some people that I post too say that the Father and the Son are one person,
so I'm not bringing the Holy Spirit into it, imagine the confusion then.
And it's easier to explain that the Father and the Son are more than one person because of John 1:1 where two persons in God are mentioned,
who are God and the Word, the Father and the Son.
Although they don't believe that scripture, they say God and the Word are one person, they confuse God with person.
jw don't believe that verse either, they say the Word is "a" god.

There are verses that say, in the end times there will be apostasy.
And there sure is little truth posted here, some posters are very good, I add.

An2elect2:
Yes He is and He is also the saviour, the Christ.

Then besides Jesus Christ the Father is another that is God?

An2elect2:
Oh am so loving this thread!!! This is so true!!! We have only one God and He is [size=14pt]no other[/size] but Jesus Christ!!!

Is the Father not God?

RikoduoSennin:
I mean, John 1:1 mention Two Gods, "The True God and 'The Word' as another God". Different Gods.

That's not true John 1:1 mentions the word is God along with God, not another God,
which agrees with:
Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one

After all there are other Gods in heaven (1 corinthians 8:5).

What has that to do with this discussion , satan and his angels can be called gods, which has nothing to do with the One True God.

Almighty God is one.
Mighty God is two.
And many other Gods exist.

You believe God is two gods, mighty god and Almighty God.
A child would understand that Mighty God is Almighty God.

Deu_7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD (Jehovah) thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God (Jesus), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD (Jehovah) appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

NEWBIN:
if it was literal, then it means according to you, the father has no power and no wisdom, WHICH IS BLASPHEMY see..1 corinthians 1:24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


SO AS CHRIST WAS APART FROM THE FATHER......YOU SEE

Yes I see, I see that you are so confused.

The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, believe the scripture.
And the Father said from heaven, "Thou art my beloved Son", believe the scripture, or not.

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

RikoduoSennin:
You know nothing. You respond to personal sentiments. It seems you have no RESURRECTION HOPE.

That sounds like it is from a bad spirit.

RikoduoSennin:
How can Jesus be an Almighty God yet before,when and after he left earth he has his own personal God he answer to. Yet you think Jesus deserves to be translated as The GOD? And not A GOD?

Lets see how your way works out.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was "a" god.

Your way we have God, and "a" god, that makes God being two Gods instead of two persons.

But God is One God and not two gods,
also God is the One True God, and so cannot be "a" god.

NEWBIN:
Johnw74....have u seen this scripture? 1 Corinthians 1:24, But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.

SO IF THE FATHER IS DIFFERENT FROM CHRIST, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THE FATHER HAS NO WISDOM NOR POWER OF HIS OWN....THIS IS BLASPHEMY

You are so confused.
Another said that Jesus is the Father, and you agreed with him, whereas scripture says that Jesus is the Word, which I agree with.

You and the other say the Son is the Father, one person, and contrary to the Bible.

NEWBIN:
I AM NOT SAYING IT, BUT THE BIBLE (JOHN 1:1).....HEBREWS CHAPTER 1, COLOSSIANS 1:16.......that all things were created by JESUS, through himself and for himself. If this JESUS is not the father, then Isaiah 48:13 is a lie....see.....

Isaiah 48:13
My own hand laid the foundations of the earth,
and my right hand spread out the heavens;
when I summon them,
they all stand up together.
Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

How can these speakers be different?? ......Beyond all doubts is this mystery (1 timothy 3:16)

These speakers are different because Isaiah 48:13 Is Y'hovah God speaking about creating all things,
and Colossians 1:16 is speaking of God creating all things through the Word and for the Word.

The Bible is full of verses showing Y'hovah is the Father and the Word is the Son.
They are the One God yes,
but they are two persons of the Godhead.

I have said myself that Jesus is the Father, but only in the sense that God and the Word is God.

To say the Son and the Father are one person is ridiculous,
The Father beget Jesus.

NEWBIN:
that's laughable.............

Wow, there are two of you that say Jesus is the Father.
God is the Father and the Word is Jesus, they are both God, not both the same person.

The bible has a plethora of this quote...."there is no God but me"..........study your bible.....JESUS IS THE FATHER......

And you tell me to study the bible.

What happened during John's baptism was only a sign. CHRIST WAS THE FATHER ON EARTH.

That verse wasn't just a sign, it was literal.

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

With false doctrines, the meaning of scriptures often have to be changed.

Russell was also sued in New York city, back in the early 20th century, for selling magic seeds which were supposed to produce much more yield than ordinary seeds. The Department of Agriculture sued him and won. Charles T. Russell was a crackpot fraud, who founded the JW organization.

Ha ha, who would follow a man, lest it be the man Jesus.

nutarious:
if the early apostles in the bible called him JESUS GOD, why will a man who is not a witness nor was there when our lord and his disciples were laying there lifes so that the ministry of GOD will increase currently under the leadership of the holy spirit..................

Yes even Thomas said "my Lord and my God",
King David said "my God".