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brocab:
I suppose everyone is a lair to you-because you believe John seen the angel of the Lord instead of Jesus in verse 1:12
Some mothers do have them-man how confused you really are-you can't see it.

no, not everyone but you certainly are, see how you lied again right there

brocab:
I couldn't believe how disappointed I was to listen to your bad mouthing-you have a bad attitude, and after everything we had gone through-and you have the cheek to call yourself a Christian? To be honest your mouth is like a dirty rage, a lair everything you have accused me off isn't true-I had given you the Word of God as it's written-I suppose you deny this too.
Your lies-your insults and abuse towards a brother in Christ-and your denial against John's vision in verse 1:12, You had accused others who have other beliefs of the very same thing, denying the Word of God-you hypocrite-you told the JW's and the Catholic's off for not believing in the truth, and now look at you-you are doing the same thing as they had done.
Pull yourself together man-get back to the program-the Word of God is so clear, how it is written-you couldn't explain yourself to me Johno because you knew John didn't see the angel of the Lord, John seen Jesus as it is written in bible knowledge.....

yes i know, because you love to lie, you call truth: bad mouthing and bad attitude


ha ha, things i have said to you in truth, you throw back to me in lie,
such a copycat,
this post is of course just more of same continued lies and false accusing

you said i insult you and then you say: "your mouth is like a dirty rage, a lair" such a hypocrite


truly you are not a brother in Christ, He doesn't know you:

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 

to many lies there in your post for me to waste to much time on, but i have pointed out enough

brocab:
No but you did say John seen the angel of the lord in {Revelation 1:12}
And why don't you try reading it-he is showing the same scriptures you have put across to me.

i already told you im not giving any more Bible truth to you
because of your lying and false accusing etc. etc.
but mainly because of your rejection of God's word and Jesus Christ:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
I think this fellow can explain it better than I can.
Jesus Was Not An Angel

did someone say Jesus is an angel
but you cannot stop lying and deceiving
taking after your god:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
If you believe you are a true believer then take some advise from another strong believer in Christ-just do it for yourself-I don't deny standing back to back with you-when we stood together writing to the JW's and the Catholic's, I am not denying you don't know the Word of God, and no-one is denying God gave the revelation the Jesus, and Jesus gave it to His angel, and the angel gave it to John-no-one is denying that, it written-end of story.
But In verse 1:12 while John was in the spirit-he heard another voice behind him, John turned, and seen seven golden lambstands and John saw one like the Son of Man, I have searched the scriptures to try and find your beliefs, and I couldn't find your beliefs, the bible does not say in verse 1:12 John seen the angel of the lord-as you believe, in the midst of the lambstands.
John describes Jesus in all His glory, and when John saw Him, John fell at His feet as dead, then the Lord laid His right hand on John and said: Do not be afraid, "I am" the first and the last, "I am" He who lives and was dead, and behold I am alive forevermore.
No-one is denying {Revelation 1} God sent His angel to John-and the angel spoke for Jesus, no-one denying an angel was with John through his vision. John turned as John heard another voice as loud as a trumpet behind him.
I see after reading the scriptures how Jesus and John were close friends-as the bible describes they were-even at the cross, all through John's life he kept his faith towards his true friend Jesus, John was an old man on Patmos when John seen His vision, John fell down as dead-John seen His friend in all His glory, as Jesus described He will be when He is with His Father.
Johno I believed you were a strong believer-a true man of God-everything you wrote was good, but then you changed and you are the one to blame, you turned on me-like a demonic wild animal-calling me names a lair a none believer, you insulted me, abused me-all the the name of Jesus. Ask yourself if you have a heart-is this really you in person-an abuser one that causes disputes amongst the brethren.

Just don't write to me no-more-I need to hear from people who are positive-who love the Lord as much as I do, and I need those who know the scriptures. So we can learn of each other.

quote brocab: "Just don't write to me no-more"

liecab, as far as showing you any more truth from the Bible, that ended
because of your lies, false accusations etc. but mainly because of your rejection of God's word and Jesus Christ
I will continue to show your lies and anti Bible ways







you liecab are blinded confused and deceived, for not loving the truth

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


truy you liecab a Jesus Christ denier, is not a believer in Christ
let alone a strong believer, He doesn't know you:

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

i haven't changed one bit, i still show up lies false accusations denial of God's word etc.etc.
but you love to lie and falsely accuse



the names i called you such as liar and non believer are true,
and i understand how you look on truth as demonic



you consider the truth as insults and abuse, ok,
that's just showing more of your non understanding,
and your need to answer with lies and false accusations etc.

Mar 10:18  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Mat_20:15  Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

We know I am is Yahovah, here is another verse showing that Jesus is Yahovah, verse 6

 
Joh 18:3  Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. 
Joh 18:4  Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? 
Joh 18:5  They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 
Joh 18:6  As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Jesus referred to Himself as I am, Himself being God(Yahovah), a number of times

brocab:
Am I writing to a child-this Is killing you-I have searched the scriptures from all angles-I have read from different view points-and followed up what the brethren had seen-and I have read how they see {verse 12} they see, what I see. {Revelation 1} Obviously God sends His angel to John, which isn't questionable the facts are there-but in {verse 12} John seen and heard another voice behind him and as he turned John seen one like the Son of Man standing in the midst of the lambstands, John seen Jesus-this is the Word of God-and you have the cheek to call me a lair.
All I have done was repeat the Word of God how its written in the bible, which of course you disbelieve-If you choose not to believe it, "don't" who cares, I can't change the Word of God for you-and I can't see, what you see-and if you refuse to explain how you see it-I can't help you see reason.

ha ha, you are killing yourself

yes, you are a liar liecab
you have no understanding of the scriptrures
you have much confusion
you are blinded to all i have said
you are blinded to the Bible
you don't believe God's word and Jesus Christ, etc. etc. etc.:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



and for you liecab, lying is just speaking naturally:

brocab:
At first this is what I wanted to believe, but with your so called attitude recently mouthing off-I just don't believe it.
I give everybody ago-but calling me a satanist-when I myself believe, I can't be bothered with people like you..
You aren't worth a argument.

brocab:
.... I have no-more to say to you ....

you lie in most every post, you can't stop:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
I am trying to help you bro-I am also trying to get to the bottom of all this-and all I have been receiving from you is more hatred against me-I felt it is best we see the scriptures together-but you are causing problems between us, your abusive behaviour isn't helping at all. I am not here to judge you in anyway-like I said we learn of each other, this is the way Jesus expects us to learn, maybe you have other idea's, but I am not going down your road to hate one another. All along I have been searching for the answer-everybody I have come across all said: the same-they see, what I see in the scriptures, John see's Jesus in His vision.
I have asked you for your support and all i had received from you was your beloved Christian insults and abuse-so of course I am looking elsewhere to sort your little problem out into the open. This is what the Amplified bible, say's {Revelation 1:12} Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me.
And turning I seen seven golden lambstands, and in the midst of the lambstands I saw someone like the Son of Man dressed in a robe reaching to His feet, and with a golden sash wrapped around His chest, His head and His hair were white like white wool {Glistening white} like snow and His {all seeing} eye's like {Flashing} like a flame of fire, {piercing into my being} His feet were like burnished {White hot} bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was {Powerful} like the sound of many waters. In His right hand He held seven stars, and from His mouth came a sharp two edged sword {Of Judgement} and His face {Reflected His Majesty and the Shekinah Glory} was like the sun shining in {All} its power {At midday}
I still can't see what you see-if this description belongs to an angel-he must be one powerful angel, to have all Jesus's authority, God did say in which of the Angels did He say, you sit here at My right side. And because you refuse to share your views about this verse-I have no-more to say to you-you are just a lair and a deceiver-who causes disputes among the brethren.

so just more of the same copy catting false accusing lying etc. etc. of course

@largeunderline, ha ha, oh please save me your hyprocrisy
and self rigfhteousness and lies


@bold, truly you are not Christian brethren, satanic brethren perhaps

@largebold, well once again, good riddance liecab
and again, don't slam the door on your way out

you must find comfort in copy catting things i said liecab
but from you it's just lies, which of course though, is your way of talking

taking after your father:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

i know you don't like what i say when putting a liar like you in your place
but to bad liecab, what i say pointing out your lies, false accusing, copy catting, rejecting God's word, etc. etc. is the truth

i'm glad you don't like it, that's my point oh God hater

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 

Jesus doesn't know you liecab, or others who reject His word.

brocab:
So you enjoy putting lairs in place-just look yourself in the mirror-that will solve your mental nature.
It upsets you-I am not responding to your evil ways-you claim you are a believer, but your evidence proves otherwise-I don't disagree with you in Word, but I disagree with you, how you believe your ways insulting and abusing me with bad language-is a believers deed to another believer in Christ.
If I was to act your way towards another believer, without reason-Jesus would say-I never knew you-get away from Me.
You had fooled me, and you had pulled this off really well-Satan is up to his old tricks again-I believed you were a believer, by the likes of you, you have surely changed my thoughts really fast-a false prophet I do believe[/b].
Satan always uses others so called believers-just like you, he also hides behind the Word of God-using God's Word to try and trap the believers, to follow after him, and of course and you. Isn't this the truth-by their fruit we will know them.
Satan chooses who he works through, he pick you...you sure know how to show your true colours.
I will pray for you-that the Lord will show you things, you have never experience, nor seen, nor heard, that lines up with the Word of God.

you keep fooling yourself and being deceived, you are not a believer in Christ,
you reject Christ and God's word-the Bible:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.





God laughts at your rejection of His word liecab, and at all others that are against Him, i laught to:

Psa 2:4  He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

again God laughs at you liecab, and at all others that are against Him, i laugh to:

Psa 37:13  The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.



@largebold do you mean like saying: "stop playing with yourself"?

largeblue, ummm, name a false prophecy i have given, just one will do,
you lying again aren't you, cannot help it

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
So you enjoy putting lairs in place-just look yourself in the mirror-that will solve your mental nature.
It upsets you-I am not responding to your evil ways-you claim you are a believer, but your evidence proves otherwise-I don't disagree with you in Word, but I disagree with you, how you believe your ways insulting and abusing me with bad language-is a believers deed to another believer in Christ.
If I was to act your way towards another believer, without reason-Jesus would say-I never knew you-get away from Me.
You had fooled me, and you had pulled this off really well-Satan is up to his old tricks again-I believed you were a believer, by the likes of you, you have surely changed my thoughts really fast-a false prophet I do believe.
Satan always uses others so called believers-just like you, he also hides behind the Word of God-using God's Word to try and trap the believers, to follow after him, and of course and you. Isn't this the truth-by their fruit we will know them.
Satan chooses who he works through, he pick you...you sure know how to show your true colours.
I will pray for you-that the Lord will show you things, you have never experience, nor seen, nor heard, that lines up with the Word of God.

the false accuser is blossoming, coming into your own liecab, getting really good at it

brocab:
Well in your own words did John see Jesus in the midst of the lambstands-or did he see an angel?

i have told you that a few times before, but you are blinded to the truth and don't even see it liecab
and then you come back with lies and false accusations, oh son of the devil

do you see yet how your not believing God has you blinded, no of course not, how could you:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John saw Jesus angel representing and testifying -witnessing Jesus
just as the scriptures say, and speaking with all the authority of Jesus, as if it were Jesus Himself

brocab:
So you enjoy putting lairs in place-just look yourself in the mirror-that will solve your mental nature.
It upsets you-I am not responding to your evil ways-you claim you are a believer, but your evidence proves otherwise-I don't disagree with you in Word, but I disagree with you, how you believe your ways insulting and abusing me with bad language-is a believers deed to another believer in Christ.
If I was to act your way towards another believer, without reason-Jesus would say-I never knew you-get away from Me.
You had fooled me, and you had pulled this off really well-Satan is up to his old tricks again-I believed you were a believer, by the likes of you, you have surely changed my thoughts really fast-a false prophet I do believe.
Satan always uses others so called believers-just like you, he also hides behind the Word of God-using God's Word to try and trap the believers, to follow after him, and of course and you. Isn't this the truth-by their fruit we will know them.
Satan chooses who he works through, he pick you...you sure know how to show your true colours.
I will pray for you-that the Lord will show you things, you have never experience, nor seen, nor heard, that lines up with the Word of God.

what i said in honesty at your rejection of God's word and Jesus, you throw back at me in lies and false accusations
duh, it's you, not i, that is the Bible hater, oh poster of lies

brocab:
After reading the bible hub commentary, it says this {Revelation 1:12-16} And I turned to see the voice {That is to see Him who's voice it was} And I turned I saw-it seems the vision presented itself gradually, first he heard a voice, and upon looking behind him he saw the golden candlesticks, and than, in the midst of the candlesticks, he saw one like the Son of Man-that is one in a human form, as a man.
Likewise our Lord doubtless appears in Heaven, for not exactly in His symbolical manner, wherein He presents Himself as the head of the Church. John next observed that our Lord was clothed with a garment down to His foot and gird with a golden girdle.

Revelation made Clear, Got questions, Bible org and bible hub can't be all wrong, like you have accused me to be.
I see what they see-John turned and John seen one like the Son of Man in the midst of the golden lambstands.
You believe otherwise-you believe John seen a angel standing in the midst of the lambstands, I had asked you kindly to explain your theory to me, and you had insulted me with great pride, refusing to explain Revelation how you see it.
We all have choices-and obviously you have made yours, your beliefs are your own-I have tested, and I have read Revelation over and over-to find what you found-and still I can't see, what you see.
{Your refusal had led me to find other resources, so I have searched for other bible scholars, to see what they see, and what I see-is what they see, "I couldn't find what you see?
As I had said: we are all learning from each other about the Word of God. Obviously you don't believe that...

i am certinally not learning from you who doesn't believe God's word or Jesus
and you are obviously not learning from me, see how you just keep lying all the time

and i don't believe any rejector of God's word
these are just two verses you reject, i'm sure there would be many more that don't line up with liecab's word that you would reject also:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus said His angel testified-gave the revelation
but you liecab say: no he didn't

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
I had ask you to explain it in your own words-about Revelation-It may have given me some understanding how you see the scriptures, and why you believe John didn't see Christ after turning around. And why don't you believe John had a vision of Christ? All I received from you was your abuse, and gave me no explanation to explain why you believe John didn't see Christ, but only an angel.
By your reactions-I can see you can't explain the scriptures like others can.
I didn't give you a shotgun to shoot me down, I only asked a simple question-could you explain the scripture in your own words.
Ok you aren't a person who can explain words, that's all you had to say, "arguing over nothing-is truly pointless-Your interpretations are right out of hand, Try sitting back, think before you write anything and listen, I could act like you-jumping up and down screaming across the valley, but i would ratter sit down and listen to your abuse and insults you have installed for me, lying to yourself convincing yourself-everyone is your enemy.
Try understanding someone else who are trying to reach out-this isn't the case, it's all about you-you believe no-one understand your level of understanding, try reaching out to somebody, this could help you see something you have never experience nor seen, nor heard, about the Lord.

Abuse is like meeting people on the street, who are really frighten within themselves-they find ways to stop their fear, abuse is to act to protect, putting down the people, is their way, they feel they had won.
You are only upsetting yourself, to be honest is it worth it-abusers are liars-Angry you may feel-didn't the Lord teach you in your bible you must be patient and slow to anger?

liecab, are you frightened and upset, an abuser, liar and Angry?

as for me, i enjoy putting liars etc. in their place, you haven't noticed by now?

but then lying and accusing comes naturally to you, a follower of the father of lies:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
Listen if you can't explain the scriptures in your own words don't. I see Revelation as I understand it-John seen Christ in his vision. You believe otherwise, please don't tell me! Jesus is Micheal the archangel.

ha ha, what a weak assertion, but typical of you

oh what a tangled web you weave

brocab:
i haven't twisted any of God's word mr lie
and the way of twisters of God's word, liars and false accusers is not up

all you can do now is repeat what i say, that's understandable

brocab:
Johnw74 denies yet the Word of God, that says: the apostle John turned and seen one like the Son of Man standing in the midst of the lambstands.

no i don't deny that at all, but taking after your god satan you cannot stop lying

read my posts because you obviously haven't read them very well, or you don't understand, or you just love to lie
well i know two of those three is true

brocab:
denying God's word is denying God, and you mr lie johno are among the worst God deniers in these forums
most are atheists, but you claim to be a child of God, oh blinded and deceived one

ha ha, what i say in truth, you copycat back to me in lie
but that's you, you cannot stop being like your father satan

of course it's you who denies God's word and Jesus Christ liecab:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
It's common sense men that act as you do-is a man of fear.

truly your demonic mind is showing:

brocab:
Is there any love left in you at all?
Maybe you need to read the bible, instead of playing with yourself. Man of fear..

brocab:
I wouldn't have never guess Johno-underneath it all, this is really you-a accuser of lies and wonders, you haven't stopped accusing and abusing me over John in Revelation. is this the way-to treat other believers, or is this your way. Rrrright?
I wouldn't be surprised if you were bullied at school
Your behaviour is child's play, you accuse me of false conduct-This must be taring your insides apart, I don't have to agree with you?
Just in these last few's days, I can't believe your attitude, "Wow' how you have changed-Just over John and who he seen in his vision.
I am not your enemy-I have tested and I have read other views from other sources about {Revelation}
And they all see, what I see, John turned and seen Christ in the midst of the lambstands. John didn't see an angel, as you have argued, John seen Christ Himself.
There's nothing I can say-I don't believe you are truly a believer-you aren't acting like one, you either believe in the bible-or you don't.

liecab, you continue to fool yourself and be deceived
believers don't call God's word and what Jesus said a lie, which is what you do by not believing Jesus and the Bible:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

i haven't changed at all, i still put liars in their place, haven't you noticed
but lie and falsely accuse is all you can do

brocab:
I am now reading this from Revelation made Clear, it say's seeing Jesus and what John saw in {Revelation 1:12-20}
And since you haven't any desire in understanding anything I have said: then to put this all to rest I believe the truth will always reveal itself.
John turns and see who is speaking, when he turns John see's the seven lambstamds.
Verse 1 recalls that these images represent something. This is the book that is written in symbols and we must under stand what the symbols mean, In verse 20 we are told that the seven lambstands present the seven Churches, who were to receive this letter. In the middle of the seven lambstands is one like the Son of Man, {Revelation made Clear} mentioned in there last lesson that the voice of trumpets remind them of {Exodus 19} When there was aloud sound like trumpets as God came to mount Sinai to give the 10 commandments. WE know that the divine is speaking with the additional statement that John see's one like the Son of Man, we know that John see's the Messiah Jesus, recall in {Daniel 7:9-14} we read about the Messiah "called one like the Son of Man who come in the clouds to the Father "called the Ancient of days, The one like the Son of Man Jesus is standing in the middle of the lambstands wearing a long robe with a golden sash around His chest.
This is clothing that is similar to the description of the clothing of Angels when they appear in a vision {Daniel 10:5-6, Ezekiel 9:2} This clothing is also similar to the priestly attire of the old covenant, this makes for an interesting combination since these cloth were worn by the high priest, but also warn by dignitaries, rulers and Heavenly beings, This is the image of authority in all cases, Jesus is pictured in the midst of these seven Churches.Christ is not absent but stands in the middle of these Churches.
This was written by Revelation made Clear"
O Bible.org. Says the same {Revelation 1:12-13} After hearing the voice of the Lord, John turned and saw seven golden lambstands.
Got Questions also says: John the apostle see's the glorified Christ in a vision Jesus is standing among seven golden lambstands. {Revelation 1:13,16}
Same with Bible Gateway it say the Vision of the Son of Man.
Question are they wrong too? Are we all your enemies because we all read the same verses. You did say a blind man could see this-then how come you can't see what everybody else see's.?

duh, some see it as you do, but not everyone sees it as you do, like you claim,
that's just you being unable to stop lying, when you lie you are just talking naturally,
like your god, when he lies he is just talking naturally:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



many like me believe what God's word and Jesus said
that He gave the revelation that God gave Him to His Angel to give to John

I believe Jesus words, you don't, and say very many words in many posts over many pages
to try and show that what God's word-the Bible and Jesus said is not true

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


but continue in your lies and false accusing, taking after your father satan

brocab:
Is there any love left in you at all?
Maybe you need to read the bible, instead of playing with yourself. Man of fear..

now there is the demonic mind of mr liecab

brocab:
Come on blind man explain the bible?
{Revelation 1:12-18} you don't because John had a vision of Christ?
Show me in word where John seen the angel standing in the midst of the lambstands and while John was with the angel-who was the other angel that spoke behind John" that sounded like a trumpet-and John fell down as dead, But "He" laid His right hand on John saying do not be afraid I am the first and the last {Verses 18} I am He who lives and was dead and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Hades and of death. In my bible it doesn't say the angel said it is the Lord that said these last words.
Am I hearing you right? you believe John at no time had seen Jesus in Revelation at anytime-the voice behind John wasn't Jesus but an angel of Jesus? And everything that was said: in Revelation isn't Jesus?

u mr lie are completely blinded from rejecting the truth,
most people if they didn't understand would at least believe God, but not you

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



here is just one of the posts where i showed the truth of the verses
go back and read the others to, which you lie and say i never wrote

johnw74:
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

God gave Jesus revelation, and Jesus sent it to John by His angel


Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things ....

Jesus had sent His angel to testify-witness Jesus's God given revelation to John



Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me ....

when John turned around to see who was talking to him
according to God's word it was Jesus angel

what did Jesus angel testify-witness to John?
A. the revelation that God gave to Jesus, and that Jesus sent to John by His angel

one would think even a blind man could see it, but no, false accusers, liars, and the like, cannot:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

denying God's word is denying God, and you mr lie are among the worst God deniers in these forums
most are atheists, but you claim to be a child of God, oh blinded and deceived one

brocab:
Then stop your lying-and have part with the Lord with all believers, I will sit beside you on the way up into heaven..

i haven't twisted any of God's word mr lie
and the way of twisters of God's word, liars and false accusers is not up

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

brocab:
I had ask you to explain it in your own words-about Revelation-It may have given me some understanding how you see the scriptures, and why you believe John didn't see Christ after turning around. And why don't you believe John had a vision of Christ? All I received from you was your abuse, and gave me no explanation to explain why you believe John didn't see Christ, but only an angel.
By your reactions-I can see you can't explain the scriptures like others can.
I didn't give you a shotgun to shoot me down, I only asked a simple question-could you explain the scripture in your own words.
Ok you aren't a person who can explain words, that's all you had to say, "arguing over nothing-is truly pointless-Your interpretations are right out of hand, Try sitting back, think before you write anything and listen, I could act like you-jumping up and down screaming across the valley, but i would ratter sit down and listen to your abuse and insults you have installed for me, lying to yourself convincing yourself-everyone is your enemy.
Try understanding someone else who are trying to reach out-this isn't the case, it's all about you-you believe no-one understand your level of understanding, try reaching out to somebody, this could help you see something you have never experience nor seen, nor heard, about the Lord.
Abuse is like meeting people on the street, who are really frighten within themselves-they find ways to stop their fear, abuse is to act to protect, putting down the people, is their way, they feel they had won.
You are only upsetting yourself, to be honest is it worth it-abusers are liars-Angry you may feel-didn't the Lord teach you in your bible you must be patient and slow to anger?
Listen if you can't explain the scriptures in your own words don't. I see Revelation as I understand it-John seen Christ in his vision. You believe otherwise, please don't tell me! Jesus is Micheal the archangel.

ha ha, lies just flow through you now continually,
i have shown the truth of the scriptures very well, just read back through my posts mr lie,
even though explanation is not necessary, they are very clear, but you mr lie reject God's word for your own

and the rest of your post is just more lying and accusing, and all because i dared to point out you are
rejecting Gods word
well such is the way of satanists as you like to say it, and I do agree with you on that though.

mr lie, see yet again and again what a liar you are

brocab:
At first this is what I wanted to believe, but with your so called attitude recently mouthing off-I just don't believe it.
I give everybody ago-but calling me a satanist-when I myself believe, I can't be bothered with people like you..
You aren't worth a argument.

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

God gave Jesus revelation, and Jesus sent it to John by His angel


Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things ....

Jesus had sent His angel to testify-witness Jesus's God given revelation to John



Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me ....

when John turned around to see who was talking to him
according to God's word it was Jesus angel

what did Jesus angel testify-witness to John?
A. the revelation that God gave to Jesus, and that Jesus sent to John by His angel

one would think even a blind man could see it, but no, false accusers, liars, and the like, cannot:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

brocab:
At first this is what I wanted to believe, but with your so called attitude recently mouthing off-I just don't believe it.
I give everybody ago-but calling me a satanist-when I myself believe, I can't be bothered with people like you..
You aren't worth a argument.

you just say whatever suits you at the time
a liar has no part with God:

1Jn 5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.



Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
Don't call one the the Lord's children satanist-who do you think you are?
You have never been the one who can explain yourself-but only insult others by throwing the Word of God-against them-you are a bible basher, explaining verses is some ones best tool to work with-don't just demand-Jesus didn't throw the Word against people-so why should you.
We are all learning about the Word of God everyday-but we can't learn around people like you, I had asked you to explain your own words how you see the scriptures-and this is how you respond.
So I will start to explain my bible of {Revelation 1} The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-things which must shortly take place.
And He sent and signified it by His Angel to His servant John, Who bore witness to the Word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, and the all things that he saw.
{So the angel of the Lord showed John things}
{Verse 9} I John both your brother and companion in tribulation, and the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the Island that is called Patmos for the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I was in the spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last and what you see write it in a book and sent it to the seven Churches.
{The angel stood beside John as John heard a voice behind him}
{Verse 12} Then I turned to see the voice that spoke to me, And having turned I saw seven golden lambstands, and in the midst of the seven golden lambstands one like the Son of Man, clothed in a garment down to His feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and His hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eye's like a flame of fire.
{Verse 17} And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right Hand on me, saying to me, Do not be afraid: I am the First and the Last. I am He who Lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Since you are having trouble explaining the scriptures-as I have asked you to do-Are you telling me, while John was standing with the angel-John didn't see Christ, It wasn't Christ that spoke behind him-that John turned around to see?
Which one of the angels did God give His authority too?

of course that is a lie, that both Jesus and Jesus angel together gave revelation to John
most would believe the Bible verses and also understand that just one could do the job, either Jesus or His angel,
there is no power lacking with God, that both Jesus and His angel were needed to give revelation to John

according to you mr lie, it took two to give revelation to John
Jesus and His angel, Jesus to talk to John, and Jesus angel to point things out to John

you sure cannot see straight anymore
you have been blinded for going against the truth-God's word

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

brocab:
At first this is what I wanted to believe, but with your so called attitude recently mouthing off-I just don't believe it.
I give everybody ago-but calling me a satanist-when I myself believe, I can't be bothered with people like you..
You aren't worth a argument.

well good riddance to you, and stop fooling yourself,
when you reject God's word, then you do take after satan

and don't slam the door on your way out

brocab:
You have never been the one who can explain yourself-but only insult others by throwing the Word of God-against them-you are a bible basher

brocab:
Johnw74 isn't done yet-I can say this-with all heart-Johnw74 is a true man of God" the love this man carries-his intentions are, he is trying to help save the lost, don't be fools-read your bibles, The Word Johnw74 say's are not his own Word's, but the Lord's Word alone.
All you need to do is listen to him, he has the evidence right in front of you.

ha ha, although the bolded is true, you mr lie, just say anything that suits you at the time
in other words you lie, and who is your father of lies

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
Don't call one the the Lord's children satanist-who do you think you are?
You have never been the one who can explain yourself-but only insult others by throwing the Word of God-against them-you are a bible basher, explaining verses is some ones best tool to work with-don't just demand-Jesus didn't throw the Word against people-so why should you.
We are all learning about the Word of God everyday-but we can't learn around people like you, I had asked you to explain your own words how you see the scriptures-and this is how you respond.
So I will start to explain my bible of {Revelation 1} The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-things which must shortly take place.
And He sent and signified it by His Angel to His servant John, Who bore witness to the Word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, and the all things that he saw.
{So the angel of the Lord showed John things}

Jesus angel didn't only show John things, he also gave John witness to the Word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, you are such a deceiver leaving that out

brocab:
{Verse 9} I John both your brother and companion in tribulation, and the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the Island that is called Patmos for the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I was in the spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last and what you see write it in a book and sent it to the seven Churches.
{The angel stood beside John as John heard a voice behind him}

in your rejection of God's word you are lying yet again, and adding to God's word
it is not said John was standing next to an angel when he heard a voice behing him

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

brocab:
{Verse 12} Then I turned to see the voice that spoke to me, And having turned I saw seven golden lambstands, and in the midst of the seven golden lambstands one like the Son of Man, clothed in a garment down to His feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and His hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eye's like a flame of fire.
{Verse 17} And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right Hand on me, saying to me, Do not be afraid: I am the First and the Last. I am He who Lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Since you are having trouble explaining the scriptures-as I have asked you to do-Are you telling me, while John was standing with the angel-John didn't see Christ, It wasn't Christ that spoke behind him-that John turned around to see?
Which one of the angels did God give His authority too?

you mr lie are wallowing in a sea of lies false accusing and confusion

brocab:
Then you are not a true believer-Mr know it all.
Everyone of us learn the scriptures everyday-The lord uses us to learn and teach the word of God-but obviously you aren't neither of them.

mr lie, post a few quotes where i have put my words before God's word

johnw74:
yes, all who put there own words before God's word are

mr lie, all your lying and false accusing is to run away from the Bible verses
that you don't believe, and also of course because you love to lie and falsely accuse
that's become obvious