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God said those that have images hate me,
rcc buildings are full of images, statues and paintings of people

(Exo 20:4)  Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5)  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


rc's look for reasons to not believe these verses and many other Bible scriptures
even saying what about the ark that God said to make


God can do anything He wills, but u satanic rc's think if God can say to make an ark
then u can make images also for yourselves, even though He told u not to, oh evil ones.

Babacele:
Numbers 21. 7-9
The people came to
Moses and said,
“We sinned when
we spoke against
the LORD and
against you. Pray
that the LORD will
take the snakes
away from us.” So
Moses prayed for
the people.
8 The LORD said to
Moses, “Make a
snake and put it up
on a pole; anyone
who is bitten can
look at it and live.”
9 So Moses made a
bronze snake and
put it up on a pole.
Then when anyone
was bitten by a
snake and looked at
the bronze snake,
they lived.

"All Generations shall call her Blessed"

what have those verses got to do with mary, or with anything that is spoken about here
u rc's sure r blinded and confused

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

blackbriar:
where and how know, point it out....

u know i have oh blind one, u r confused and cannot tell the truth

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

blackbriar:
TWIST WHICH LIE NA ...BROS
ark of covenant no be image
crucifix no be image
the dove which represents the holy spirit....no be image?

ha ha, never ending continued twisting-lying to deny the truth of these scriptures:
(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

God said to make the ark
God never said to make crufixes, that's more idolatry of the rcc,
but u don't understand, how can u, satan has blinded u to the truth

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

blackbriar:
CHANGING WHAT TONE.......DID U READ THE POST AND COMPREHEND IT?

ha ha, u keep repeating yourself as liars do
read my replies again mr twister

blackbriar:
PLEASE WHAT AM I TWISTING......SPELL IT OUT.

spell it out = TWISTING-LYING

duh, u were agreeing with your pope that even atheist are saved
then u change that to Christ died for all

Christ died for all doesn't mean all are saved, but that all are able to be saved through them gaining faith in Jesus Christ
atheists don't have faith in Jesus Christ mr twister
u r all over the place like a good little lie lie rc

u even confuse yourself by your own twisting

but there it is spelt out 4 u

c u tomorrow

blackbriar:
Are all i mentioned images?
Answer.

i don't care if u mentioned images or not, what r u trying to twist-lie about now
no matter what us say to try and make the verses out to be a lie, the verses are true


i showed that u who pray before statues and paintings etc hate God,
well i didn't show it, God Himself said that u hate Him:

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

blackbriar:
haba now, you are doing this purposely,anyways..........we are saved by grace which is brought by faith. faith is brought to life by good works. And good works brings about christian love and charity.

Hope you are good know ba?

u keep changing-twisting-lying but that's what u love to do

blackbriar:
YOU SAID IMAGES AND I QUOTE IMAGES FOR YOU

THE CRUCIFIX, THE DOVE, THE ARK OF THE COVENANT, THE PAINTINGS OF THE HOLY FAMILY AND THE LAST SUPPER.

yes u don't believe God, i know, u don't have to keep repeating it, i know already:

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

blackbriar:
CHAI....Just when you thought you have heard it all.
Please just post the hate site,so we can just go there direct and read all this stuff.
cos i don tire.

yes u tire of God's word, because u hate Him, just as he said:

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

blackbriar:
The catholic belief has never been that our good works lead to our salvation. The catholic belief is:

We are saved by grace,
which comes through faith
which is brought to life by good works
and those are brought about by christian love and charity

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY.

u cannot see so i will tell u again, our faith doesn't come about by "christian love and charity" as u say,
it is the gift of God, u really should believe God:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

blackbriar:
AND THE ARK OF THE COVENANT?
WAIT HOW ABOUT THE TEMPLE THAT WERE CARVED WITH IMAGES OF THE ARK OF THE CONVENANT,THE BRAZEN ALTAR,PALMS.
THE SAME TEMPLE WHERE THE GLORY OF THE LORD DESCENDED IN GLORY TO ACCEPT SOLOMON'S SACRIFICE.
OR IS THE IMAGE OF THE HANGING SERPENT?
WAIT WHY WAS DAVID'S WIFE MICAH CURSED BY GOD?
ARE U SAYING THE DOVE AND CRUCIFIX AND FISH SYMBOLS ATTRIBUTED TO CHRISTIANITY ARE ALL GRAVEN?
U DO KNOW WAT THE DOVE SYMBOLISES IN XTIANITY RYT?

there is a big diffreence between the ark which God said to build,
and statues of mary and other people who u pray before

but i understand u cannot see the diffrence, oh blinded one

blackbriar:
CHANGING WHAT TONE.......DID U READ THE POST AND COMPREHEND IT?

yes of course, but u don't comprehend

faith is not bought about by "christian love and charity" as u said,
it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

blackbriar:
Please where is it stated that the catholic church hates God?

u sure r blinded:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

blackbriar:
The catholic belief has never been that our good works lead to our salvation. The catholic belief is:

We are saved by grace,
which comes through faith
which is brought to life by good works
and[b] those are brought about by christian love and charity[/b]

u r changing your tune as u go, u don't understand the Bible,

faith is not bought about by "christian love and charity"
it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

blackbriar:
All you have just quoted and said still supports the popes motion that christ died for all, including atheist.

Christ died so all can be saved through faith in him
it is onlt through christ that one can be saved
u r twisting things, which is lying
and u don't believe these verses:

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

blackbriar:
LOL...BECAUSE I DONT SHARE THE SAME IDEOLOGY AND BELIEF AS YOU, I AM BLINDED...WOW...CLASSIC.
Bible Verses About the ‘One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church’

…The Church is One

John 10:16: Jesus prophesies that “there shall be one fold and one shepherd.”
John 17:17-23: Jesus prays that his followers “may be one as we are one,” and “may be brought to perfection as one.”
Ephesians 4:4-6: “ There is one body, one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and Father of us all…”
1 Corinthians 1:10: “I appeal to you… that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.”
Romans 16:17: “take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties”
Philippians 2:2: be “…of same the mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.”
Romans 12:5: “so we, who are many, are one body in Christ…”
1 Corinthians 12:13: “…by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…”
Colossians 3:15: “Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body.”
…The Church is Holy

1 Timothy 3:15: “…know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.”
Colossians 1:18: “And he [Jesus] is the head of the body, the church…”
1 Peter 2:9-10: “But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God… Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God…”
Ephesians 2:19-22: “Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.”
…The Church is Catholic (‘universal’ & ‘of the fullness’)

Matthew 28:18-20: “And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Mark 16:15-16: “And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'”
John 14:26: “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.”
John 16:12-13: “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.”
…The Church is Apostolic

Ephesians 2:19-20: “… but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,”
Matthew 16:18-10: “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Luke 22:28-30: “You [the apostles] are those who have continued with me in my trials; and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
John 15:16: “You [the apostles] did not choose me, but I [Jesus] chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide…”
Matthew 28:16,18-20: “Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee… And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
John 20:21-23: “Jesus said to them [the apostles] again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

^^^ none of those verses are talking about the church that hates God:
(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

u have been blinded:
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

blackbriar:
P>LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - The Holy Father is full of surprises, born of true and faithful humility. On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
DIDNT CHRIST COME TO DIE FOR ALL?

You believe a mere man, and u don't believe God:

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Babacele:
Mat 7 .....23-24:

Many will say to Me on that
day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in Your name, and in
Your name drive out demons and
perform many miracles?’ Then I
will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew
you; depart from Me, you workers
of iniquity.’ Therefore
everyone who hears these words
of Mine and acts on them is like a
wise man who built his house on
the rock.…

yes Jesus will say that to rc's and to all those that hate God:

(Exo 20:4)  Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5)  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

blackbriar:
And i repeat for umpteeth time , I pray IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH IS THE MOST HOLY TRINITY,WHO IS GOD.

u also pray to mary and other human beings who have died, and angels, which is unbibical,
u choose rc doctrine over God's word.

blackbriar:
I know the atrocities of the catholic church. don tell me.
But it does not refute the fat that the church is APOSTOLIC,ONE, CATHOLIC AND HOLY.

not the roman catholic church, u r blinded:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

blackbriar:
St.peter denies christ three times. who witnessed the transfiguration and ll the mighty works of christ.
DUDE.
we have now rewriting our own teachings and eroding moral teachings for our own personal gain.
well done clap for your sef. this is the reason why a govt offical will steal more than bill gates worth and we the masses will say "and so?"

u sure r confused, and like i said:

u don't believe God:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

blackbriar:
THERE IS NO THIRD VATICAN COUNCIL.
you just say things from hate sites and repeat them with all authority.
THE LAST COUNCIL WAS VATICAN II CALLED BY POPE JOHN XX111
until u revert i wont answer the rest of your questions

I posted that link without reading from the site,
funny though how u were supporting it until now

blackbriar:
All religions are true,

now attend to the rest of the post:

You want some info on pope francis, ok here is a little:




Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077


God says diffrent:
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


(pope francis did emphasize there was a catch. Those people must still do good.)

However God said:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

blackbriar:
because some certain fanatics call you infidel does not erode the principle of a religious cult.
The worship of a supreme being who is the creator of all.
This is not the pope speaking.It is theology.

ha ha the muslims holy book calls christians pagan and says to kill them
and u say the God of the koran is the same god as the God of the Bible

blackbriar:
Just as the hebrew God instructed King saul to kill all amalekites including women,children and cattles

duh u cannot see that the koran telling muslims to kill Christians cannot be following the same god as the Christian God

Ubenedictus:
Let him who is without sin throw the first stone.


I can also show several cases of Protestant pastor with similar sin... I guess that also mean their church was originated by satan.



May God save us from silly fallacy.

u r blinded to think child sexual abuse in the rcc is fallacy
and because it may exist in other churches to a lesser degree doesn't
make it any less evil, your reasoning is of the devil

Babacele:
"not those who say father, father , but those who do the will of the Father".....Jesus Christ. Calling someone "atheist" is just human labelling.
Right now ever wise ,universal father of all- irrespective of religious claims - is sending babies to be born in Buddhist ,xtain,Muslim, atheist etc homes.

u and your pope don't believe God:

Act 4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. 

Mar 16:16  He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 

Joh 3:36  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1Jn 5:12  He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Rev 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

blackbriar:
ALLAH Is GOD, the word allah is arabic just as chineke is igbo and ugbangidi is hausa and olorun is yoruba and dei is latin

u blackbriar think because the word allah means god, then allah is the true god

blackbriar:
All religions are true, they all believe in a supreme being,GOD ,who is the creator of the universe, the issue has always how to worship him. our fore-fathers believed in God, until the missionaries brought Jesus.The Jews believe in God. Moslems in God(ALLAH).
That isn't papal infallibility.the pope did not pronounce a dogma.
before even the pope pronounces a dogma,he calls a council,last one was vatican ii, where all the bishops of the catholic church worldwide and theologians debate over such a dogma and give their definitions based on bible teachings and sacred traditions. it is on that authority that the pope exercises the power of papal infallibility.

ha ha u r as blind as your pope, all religions are not true,
for instance roman catholics believe their doctrines over God's word

false jehovah's witnesses believe Jesus is and angel

(Heb 1:5)  For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
(Heb 1:6)  And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
(Heb 1:7)  And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
(Heb 1:8]  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

etc.etc.etc.
all religion is not true, u and your pope lied.

blackbriar:
ABEG this issue is now very stale.
First it was pope john paul II as he was d pope during the y2k era, Karol wojtyla died in old age.
Then it was pope benedict xvi, because he was from a former Nazi country, the old ratzinger resigned.
we are still waiting for una excuse with pope francis...

You want some info on pope francis, ok here is a little:




Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077


God says diffrent:
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


(pope francis did emphasize there was a catch. Those people must still do good.)

However God said:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.