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johnw74:
Catholicism teaches salvation by faith and works.

Canon 9 – “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; let him be damned.”

CCC 846 – “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation.“

CCC 2068 – “The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them. All men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments.“

CCC 2010 – “Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life.”

Canon 9 says if you believe in salvation by faith alone, then you are damned. Blasphemy! The core of Christianity is salvation by faith in Christ alone. When it stops being faith in Christ alone it is no longer Christianity. It is a false religion. The Catholic Church teaches that you have to hold on to the Ten Commandments. Are you obeying everything perfectly?

If you are trying to maintain your relationship with God by faith and works Galatians 3:10 says you will be cursed. The reason is that you are not obeying everything. Faith is a gift of God. It is all by His grace. God desires perfection and that is why we must trust in the perfect merit of Jesus Christ. CCC 2010 says that “we can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our salvation.”

This is a direct contradiction to the Bible. This is not something we can overlook. Open your eyes! Romans 11:6 says, “it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.” When you try to maintain your relationship with God by works you are not trusting in Jesus Christ alone. Romans 3:28 teaches us salvation is by faith apart from works. This is a complete contradiction to the Catechism.

With a plethora of faith alone verses that contradict the catechism most Catholics are going to go to one verse James 2:17, “In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.” They say, “you see we need faith and works.” No! We have to read it in context to find out what is James 2 talking about. It is talking about a false faith before man. It is examining a false faith vs a genuine faith. It is not saying we need faith and works for salvation.

James 2:14 says, “What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works?” (Can that faith save him?) What faith is it talking about? A false faith! Genuine faith results in works. Salvation is a supernatural work of God where God changes a man and God works in the man to produce fruit. 2 Corinthians 5:17 teaches us that faith in Christ alone results in being a new creation.

You don’t need to maintain and work for your salvation. You were bought with the blood of Christ. Colossians 2:14 says, “he canceled our debt.” We have no more debt to pay. It’s cancelled! It’s all of grace. We don’t obey because it saves us and it keeps us in a right standing with God. We obey because we are saved by Christ alone.

We were made new by the power of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is continually working in us to conform us into the image of Christ. A changed life is evidence of faith in Christ alone. If you seek salvation by faith and obeying the commandments you are cursed like Galatians 3 says. Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

Notice that in Matthew 7:22 Many said Lord look at all the good things I did, but the Lord said, “depart from me I never knew you.” Not once did they say Jesus Christ alone is my only claim to Heaven. My works are filthy rags. God desires perfection. Jesus Christ is our perfection.

Do you agree with CCC 2068 that salvation is by faith, baptism, and works? Is salvation by faith in Christ alone apart from works? Yes or no? If you say no, then you are in danger of Hell.

2. Ephesians 2:7-10 to demonstrate in the coming ages the surpassing wealth of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.

3. Acts 16:30-31 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

4. Romans 4:4-5 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation. But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous, his faith is credited as righteousness.

blackbriar:
I am just quoting the same bible that you are quoting, so you can see the clashes.
why would God say a here and say do b here.
Read through and understand the philosophy behind the bible.
That is why as a pastor in the making.....go to a seminary and study philosophy and theology, and do not just carry the holy book and start preaching rigid christianity to us most especially in Africa.

orisa37:
Because Rosary is a Gift of The Holy Spirit to young Mary.
And Mary delivered all BornAgains from The evil Eve.

orisa37:
Catholics discovered Christianity. That Mary is The Source of Christianity. And The Rosary was "A Pet Gift" of The Holy Spirit to her. It's therefore fitting and appropriate to always remember her the way we found her. She is The Mother of all Righteousness. And Righteousness involve Honour, Glory, Majesty and Worship.

Dahustler007:
Enough Said in my Post, The Roman Catholic Church Don't Worship Idols....

If you don't believe fine it's cool. Cause we arguing over the same thing like every time won't change anything. Let's just concentrate on Loving GOD and ourselves... With the hope that nobody's wrong!
God bless you!

Dahustler007:
Bro. Maybe you didn't take your time to read through Or you've closed your Heart from hearing anything a Catholic says.

Dahustler007:
.............. -Exodus 20:1-6, ...............

brocab:
This must of taken you all day to write this unbiblical rubbish..

blackbriar:
The sixth Commandement
exodus 20:13
Thou shall not Kill.
The God i serve is "gracious and compassionate,slow to anger and rich in mercy" psalm 145:8

Ubenedictus:
Jesus 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye
believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you
of heavenly things?

Babacele:
"not those who say father, father , but those who do the will of the Father".....Jesus Christ. Calling someone "atheist" is just human labelling.
Right now ever wise ,universal father of all- irrespective of religious claims - is sending babies to be born in Buddhist ,xtain,Muslim, atheist etc homes.

blackbriar:
Just as the hebrew God instructed King saul to kill all amalekites including women,children and cattles

johnw74:
Praying to the saints

Pope John Paul II clearly prays to Mary.

“Together we lift our confident and sorrowful petition to you.”

“Hear the cry of the pain of victims of war and so many forms of violence that bloody the Earth.”

“Clear away the darkness of sorrow and worry, of hate and vengeance.”

“Open up our minds and hearts to faith and forgiveness!”

CCC 2679 – “Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus’ mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.”

“Aschandius, my father, dearly beloved of my heart, with my sweet mother and my brethren, remember your Pectorius in the peace of the Fish [Christ]” (Epitaph of Pectorius [A.D. 375]).

Many Catholics say, “we don’t pray to Mary and other dead saints we ask them to pray for us,” but I talked to Catholics who said they pray to Mary. The original stance of the Catholic church was to pray to Mary.

Pope John Paul II is clearly praying to Mary. How can you read what he said above and say otherwise? This is blasphemy.

It is idolatry to pray to dead saints or to ask them to pray for you. It is unbiblical and it is sinful. We are to only pray to God. Nowhere does it say to pray to dead people. In fact, talking to dead people is always associated with witchcraft in Scripture.

5. Revelation 22:8-9 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

johnw74:
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Catholics worship Mary. They worship images and statues, which is idolatry.

CCC 721 – “Mary, the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God, is the masterwork of the mission of the Son and the Spirit in the fullness of time.”

Pope Pius IX in 1854 “Let all the children of the Catholic Church … Proceed to worship, invoke, and pray to the most blessed Virgin Mary, mother of God. ”

The Salve Regina – “Hail Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life our sweetness and our hope……Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us.“

Look at these words “Mary, the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God. Hail Holy Queen!” The Catholic Church worships Mary more than Jesus. Mary was a sinner just like it says in Ecclesiastes 7:20 and Romans 3:23. She needed a Savior. Go to Google. Look up Mary Worship. You are going to see people bowing down and kissing statues and paintings of Mary.

You cannot convince me in any way that those images are not worship. Blasphemy! Bowing down is a form of worship. Praying to someone is a form of worship. It doesn’t matter how you try to justify it this is clear idolatry. Pope Pius IX in 1854 said, “proceed to worship Mary.” How can you deny that? The Roman Catholic Church is telling you to do everything the Bible tells you not to do.

If you’re facing the position of an object and you are bowing down to it, kissing it, praying to it, blessing it, that is idolatry! It doesn’t matter if it is a Bible that is idolatry plain and simple. Mary is not to be worshiped. A woman said to “Jesus blessed is the womb that bore you.” Jesus could have said anything to honor Mary when she said those things, but what did He say?

In Luke 11:28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” No disciple worshiped Mary. No one! This is one of many false Catholic doctrines. Also, Mary didn’t die a virgin as seen in Matthew 13:55-56.

6. Exodus 20:3-5 You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me.

7 . Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.

Ubenedictus:
I have seen you playing dumb before, I know it very well now. Atleast i know you are dumb on purpose.



You said :


with the rcc being rife with priests comitting
sexual assault on children
it's clear that their god-their originator of church
doctrine which goes against God's word, is
satan.



I maintain that the argument you made above is fallacious.

Babacele:
Numbers 21. 7-9
The people came to
Moses and said,
“We sinned when
we spoke against
the LORD and
against you. Pray
that the LORD will
take the snakes
away from us.” So
Moses prayed for
the people.
8 The LORD said to
Moses, “Make a
snake and put it up
on a pole; anyone
who is bitten can
look at it and live.”
9 So Moses made a
bronze snake and
put it up on a pole.
Then when anyone
was bitten by a
snake and looked at
the bronze snake,
they lived.

"All generations shall call me blessed"

Ubenedictus:
You should have seen that he is purposely playing dumb. He doesn't want to reason he only wants to accuse.

Ubenedictus:
oh, I know what child abuse is an the gravity of such grave sin. That isn't A fallacy.



The fallacy is your silly argument that says "since the CC has abusers that means it comes from satan.... That argument is inherently fallacious and i am surprised that an educated man made such a stu.pid argument.

blackbriar:
WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AND THE WORD "HATE"?

blackbriar:
i thought CHRIST's commission was to spread the gospel to all and sundry.......and not to point out "God haters"

johnw74:
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“Martin Luther – We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist.“

Charles Spurgeon – “Christ did not redeem His church with His blood so the pope could come in and steal away the glory. He never came from heaven to earth and poured out His very heart that He might purchase His people so that a poor sinner, a mere man, should be set upon high to be admired by all the nations and to call himself God’s representative on earth! Christ has always been the head of His church.“

Martin Luther – “I am persuaded that if at this time, St. Peter, in person, should preach all the articles of Holy Scripture, and only deny the pope’s authority, power, and primacy, and say, that the pope is not the head of all Christendom, they would cause him to be hanged.”

Westminster Confession of Faith – “There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ; nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.”

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blackbriar:
You don not care if they are images......but you have passed judgement on me based on the fact that they are images.
This your logic is something.

blackbriar:
you did not answer the question but avoided it totally and labelled me BLIND.
yOUR IDEOLOGY OF evangelisation is not good. you sure won't convert peeps with threats and abuses.

blackbriar:
Thank you for calling me a liar, all my post will exonerate me.

blackbriar:
OOHHHH......GOD SAID TO MAKE ARK,BRAZEN ALTAR,LAmp stand ......which are all images ba?
so where is the lie here.
bros stop your cheap blackmail.
What did u say about the crucifix again?
abeg,which church u dey go?

blackbriar:
OOHHHH......GOD SAID TO MAKE ARK,BRAZEN ALTAR,LAmp stand ......which are all images ba?
so where is the lie here.
bros stop your cheap blackmail.
its sickening...

blackbriar:
Bros...is it that you re trying very hard not to understand or your understanding capacity is the issue here?

blackbriar:
are all i mentioned images used in the worship of God?
Y/N?

Babacele:
to tell you that you do not understand the religion.....


Matthew 7:12
In everything, then, do to others
as you would have them do to
you. For this is the essence of the
Law and the prophets.
Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a
single decree: "Love your
neighbor as yourself."
Treasury of Scripture
On these two commandments
hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things
whatever you would that men
should do to you, …
John 1:17 For the law was given
by Moses, but grace and truth
came by Jesus Christ.

johnw74:
more on praying with rosary and bowing to mary and other rc false doctrine:

Catholicism is the biggest enemy to Christianity because it poses as a Christian denomination. Catholicism is not a different denomination. Catholicism is a false religion, which is sending many deceived people to Hell. It is impossible to follow all of their heresies and be saved.

Today many are trying to classify it as a Christian religion, but for centuries it has always been known as a false religion. Many believers were martyred for the rejection of the Roman Catholic Church. Throughout history the RCC has been filled with idolatry, pedophilia, and abuse. In Catholicism you can never know that you are saved.

There is no way you can read the Word of God and not see that Catholicism is of the devil. Do not be deceived.

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