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Dahustler007:
Yeah, I gotta appreciate you Bro.
Love the way you're taking the issue, you're a Real one
But that doesn't mean imma yield to what you've said.


JESUS CHRIST Revealed himself to Saint Maria Faustina and he instructed her to paint a picture of him which should be used when reciting the Three O'clock Prayer of Divine Mercy! Does that mean we're worshipping the Image of Jesus Christ??
No, we're worshipping GOD.
Just like an apparatus that'll aid in carrying a project.

JESUS CHRIST Revealed himself to Saint Maria Faustina and he instructed her to paint a picture of him which should be used when reciting the Three O'clock Prayer of Divine Mercy!

Dahustler007:
Thanks a lot
I'd really appreciate you
We don't worship images or Idols and there's nothing bad in bowing down to them. You can't tell me bowing down to greet an Elder means you're worshipping him.
Imma hold on to what I Know!

brocab:
James bond 007 You don't seem to be to bright-and you don't have a great interest to know any of the scriptures, you already believe the Catholic Church leads Christianity, so as far as you are concern, the Word of God does not have a place in your heart.
Which of course what I and Johnw74 had written to you-doesn't go any further, only because you aren't interested. I don't believe you are even saved.
It is wrong praying to the saints and Mary-after they had passed away-you are praying to the dead, but we had warned you what the Word of God say's about idol worshippers, and we have given you the scriptures to prove, Jesus had made a point to pray directly to the living God the Father, and still you have made no effort to even open up the bible and read it for yourself.
No one in their right mind would make images of their friends and family-kind of weird isn't it-that you even suggested it in the first place, I suppose child molesters may make images of little children around there homes, just to remind them of the sick crimes they had committed.
But if you are talking about photo images of friends and family-again we may ask if they could pray "for us" but we don't pray "to" them.
Like you do-when praying "to" the saints.


No we don't have images of our love ones at home-maybe a few photo's-but still we don't pray to them, we pray to God.
It must be hard for you not wanting to learn the scriptures, you maybe one of those Catholic's that know very little, to get you through life, but there is still time-if you are willing to accept Christ into your life, after life-who knows where you are heading-I already have some kind of a picture in my mind-where you may end up after you die?
Jesus said:thru shalt not bow down to any images. {Leviticus 26:1} 'Do not make idol's all setup an image of stone to bow down too.

Ubenedictus:
2 Timothy 2:23-24

23 Don’t have anything to do with
foolish and stupid arguments, because
you know they produce quarrels. 24
And the Lord’s servant must not be
quarrelsome but must be kind to
everyone, able to teach, not resentful.




. 2 Timothy 2:16 However,
avoid pointless discussions.
For people will become more
and more ungodly.

Ubenedictus:
Dahustler007 :, babacele, those guys arent ready to reason, all they want to do is accuse. Leave them be. Do not throw pearl before swine.

Ubenedictus:
am i sure sin is also found in your church, I guess that means it comes from the the devil too.

Dahustler007:
you think what we Catholics are doing is wrong why not keep praying for our conversion since we're Idol Worshippers.
Since you're the Real Christian that Worships GOD rightly

Dahustler007:
Tell me if praying to the SAINTS and VIRGIN MARY the Mother of JESUS CHRIST to intercede for us is wrong.

Bro. Don't you have images of your Loved ones at Home?? Or images of GOD or your Pastors in Church?

We Bow down to them but we're not worshipping them, and we bowing down to those images or statues is not for them but for the person of GOD they Portray! I keep saying this.

Let's just let this issue slide bro. We've talked a lot

Dahustler007:
you think what we Catholics are doing is wrong why not keep praying for our conversion since we're Idol Worshippers.
Since you're the Real Christian that Worships GOD rightly

Dahustler007:
God Appeared, has been appearing and he'll keep appearing to people and telling them what ought be done, you might be next who knows?

Those doctrines ain't Evil Cause it's all about LOVE
Yeah we you'd Love GOD and Our Neighbors and we making an image of GOD doesn't show we hate him, Cause GOD himself appeared to Saint. Maria Faustina and he told her to paint a picture of him which we use today in the Divine Mercy Prayer.

Bro. I'll advice Us to just forget this discussion let's just concentrate on Loving GOD and Ourselves.

Dahustler007:
We Bow and Kiss those Images believing the people(SAINTS, MARTYRS etc) those images or Statue portray are watching over us and interceding for us in Heaven not those images but what the portray..
Understand this very fact not the image Or Statue but The person The portray!!

Dahustler007:
We Bow and Kiss those Images believing the people(SAINTS, MARTYRS etc) those images or Statue portray are watching over us and interceding for us in Heaven not those images but what the portray..
Understand this very fact not the image Or Statue but The person The portray!!

Dahustler007:
Not Evil Men Bro.
Say what you know
Those Doctrines all came from GOD
He revealed himself to Many Saints and he told them

Dahustler007:
You've been saying the same thing and posting the same Bible Verses and I'll keep telling you we don't Worship Those Images since you think we do okay Fine.

Dahustler007:
We'd Pray to GOD
We'd pray To Our Mother Mary and the Saints to Intercede on our Behalf!
Let's just end the Discussion
#GodKnowsTheTruthInAll
We just hope and Pray Nobody is Wrong

Dahustler007:
We Bow and Kiss those Images believing the people(SAINTS, MARTYRS etc) those images or Statue portray are watching over us and interceding for us in Heaven not those images but what the portray..
Understand this very fact not the image Or Statue but The person The portray!!

Dahustler007:
We're just moving in a Circle, you said this same thing which I said we don't worship those images and we bow in the name of GOD not any Image for what it is... Bro. Let's just let this issue slide cause a lot of people have argued this even our Church leaders did same.

We just pray nobody is wrong and we'd make heaven.
But if you think what we're doing is wrong then do us a favour by Praying to GOD on our behalf please .. Remain Blessed!

Dahustler007:
Since we're fooled like you claimed
Please do us a favour
Keep praying to GOD on our behalf
It'll go a long way... Thank You and Remain Blessed Bro.

johnw74:
Holy Eucharist / Catholic Mass / Transubstantiation

Pope Pius XI, Encyclical on the Priesthood – “The priest is indeed another Christ, or in some way he is himself a continuation of Christ.”

The Lone Star Catholic, March 1, 1959 – “The priest is not just the cross, he is Christ Himself.”

CCC 1366 – “The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit.”

CCC – 1068 “For it is in the liturgy, especially in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, that “the work of our redemption is accomplished,” and it is through the liturgy especially that the faithful are enabled to express in their lives and manifest to others the mystery of Christ and the real nature of the true Church.”

The Faith of Millions, John O’Brien (priest) – “When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man……………. The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.“

CCC 1327 – “In brief, the Eucharist is the sum and summary of our faith: “Our way of thinking is attuned to the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn confirms our way of thinking.”

Canon 8 – “If anyone says that Christ received in the Eucharist is received spiritually only and not also sacramentally and really, let him be anathema.“

The RCC teaches that attending Mass is necessary for salvation. In the Catholic Church priests repeat sacrifices that can never take away sin. Christ is being re-sacrificed over and over again. My Bible says Christ made one sacrifice once and for all never to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord’s Supper.

This is a contradiction to the Catholic Church. Some Catholics say that He is not being re-sacrificed, but various paragraphs in the Catechism refute that. CCC 1367 says, “the sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice, this sacrifice is truly propitiatory, it is a divine sacrifice, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner.”

Transubstantiation is the belief that during the Mass when the priest blesses the bread and wine and does routine rituals these items supernaturally transform into the body and blood of Jesus Christ even though they look the same, taste the same, etc. If you deny this doctrine you are damned according to the Catholic Church.

Where do we see this in the Bible? We don’t! Catholics like to go to John 6:53–57. Here are the problems. They take this passage literally. Jesus spoke in spiritual terms throughout the Bible. He said, “I am the door.” No one thinks He’s a door. If anyone has any doubts of what Jesus meant when we keep on reading to verse 63 we learn exactly what He meant. Jesus said, “it is the Spirit who gives life.” He was speaking spiritual truths. He said, “the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.” In verse 64 it talks about believing.

Another thing that I want to point out is, who was Jesus speaking to? Jesus was speaking to unbelievers. Communion is for Christians not unbelievers. Also, at the time communion had not yet been instituted.

Salvation is by faith in Christ alone. Was Jesus saying that salvation was partaking in communion? In Matthew 26:29 after the communion supper was instituted Jesus said I will not drink wine again. Why did He still refer to it as wine if it was His blood? The Gospel in John 20:31 and in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 does not include the Eucharist. Something as important as the Eucharist would have been found in these passages.

20. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.

21. Hebrews 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.

johnw74:
The world promotes Catholicism.

The world hates Christians. The world condemns Christians. When is the last time that you have seen a biblical Christian given a parade like he’s a god? Thousands gather to worship the pope. Currently, I am looking at images of people bowing down and kissing the pope’s ring.

When is the last time that you have seen a biblical Christian on Rolling Stone Magazine? You don’t! If the world loves you that is a bad sign. The pope is on Time and Rolling Stone Magazine. The media loves him.

The Bible says the unbelieving world will not accept a true man of God. Why is this ungodly world promoting Catholicism? The reason for this is that Satan is the god of the world and he loves false religions.

19. Luke 6:26 Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

orisa37:
Please hold your Pease.
Mother Eve and Father Adam have since reincarnated into Mother Mary and Brother Jesus and Father Christ.
Evil Serpent shattered The Word in Eve and Adam.
But The Holy Spirit refashioned The Word in Mary and Jesus, The Second Adam.
As God gave the STAFF to Moses, the SCARF to Elias, so He supported Pet-Rosary in the hands of Mary to keep her concentrated in the Purpose of God and consecrated for The Holy Spirit.

orisa37:
I am a Protestant 'cos I want to learn more about God.
Glory be to The Holy Spirit for He's my Instructor, Director and Discernment.

Babacele:
why did Jesus weep if Lazarus was in heaven or with God ? isn't heaven the ultimate of all ? you don't understand this religion.

Babacele:
explain the verses and not what you think. Besides, didn't Christ tell us that He is God of the living? God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac? Moses created a snake image for the people to look up to just as the son God has been lifted up for our salvation. The mystery is not for any one who lsnt ready.

johnw74:
Penance / Confession to the priest

CCC 980 – “It is through the sacrament of Penance that the baptized can be reconciled with God and with the Church: Penance has rightly been called by the holy Fathers “a laborious kind of baptism.” This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn.”

CCC 1446 – “Christ instituted the sacrament of Penance for all sinful members of his Church: above all for those who, since Baptism, have fallen into grave sin, and have thus lost their baptismal grace and wounded ecclesial communion. It is to them that the sacrament of Penance offers a new possibility to convert and to recover the grace of justification. The Fathers of the Church present this sacrament as “the second plank [of salvation] after the shipwreck which is the loss of grace.”

Many Catholics run to James 5:16 which says to confess your sins to each other. Where does James 5:16 refer to the forgiveness of sins? Where does it say to confess your sins to priests? It doesn’t! It tells us to confess our faults to others. To say anything else is adding to the text.

To teach that the RCC has had the apostles’ authority to forgive sins many Catholics jump to John 20:23, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” The problem is that their interpretation is faulty. Nowhere does it mention confession of sin. Was Jesus lying when He said only God can forgive sins?

If man could forgive sins, then how is Christ the only way and why did Jesus die? We are saved by faith in Christ. Where in the New Testament did the apostles forgive anyone’s sins or act like they could forgive sins? What Jesus was teaching in this passage was that the apostles could declare that those who genuinely repent and believe the Good News will have their sins forgiven by God. Those who do not repent and believe the Good News will not be forgiven and are already condemned.

If Jesus forgives you for all of your sins, then why confess your sins to priests? Nowhere are we told to confess our sins to priests. Nowhere do we see that people are confessing their sins to priests in Scripture. We are told in Hebrews 4 to approach God’s throne with confidence. 1 John 1:9 teaches us to confess our sins to God.

Penance teaches that for all sins committed after baptism you have to confess your sins to a priest and then perform a bunch of works for the removal of sins. This is heresy and this false teaching is bringing people to Hell. This is clearly a works-based doctrine. You have to do something. You have to perform these works to be in right standing with God.

What does the Bible say? Hebrews 9:14 “How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?“

13. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

14. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Babacele:
You can attack the purgatory all you want but explain to me from where did Jesus raise Lazarus after being dead for 4 days since after death ,it is judgement?

Babacele:
until you explain this :




Numbers 21. 7-9
The people came to
Moses and said,
“We sinned when
we spoke against
the LORD and
against you. Pray
that the LORD will
take the snakes
away from us.” So
Moses prayed for
the people.
8 The LORD said to
Moses, “Make a
snake and put it up
on a pole; anyone
who is bitten can
look at it and live.”
9 So Moses made a
bronze snake and
put it up on a pole.
Then when anyone
was bitten by a
snake and looked at
the bronze snake,
they lived.

johnw74:
Catholicism teaches purgatory.

The Trentine Creed, of Pius IV, A.D. 1564 – “I constantly hold that there is a Purgatory, and that the souls therein detained are helped by the suffrages of the faithful.”

CCC 1031 – “The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire.”

Purgatory is a place of temporary punishment that believers go to for the cleansing of sin. It is basically an extremely painful purifying fire before Heaven. Some teach that you have to spend 1000 years in purgatory. Is that biblical? This is heresy and it angers me!

This is a seriously wicked doctrine that denies the sufficiency of the atonement. Romans 8 says, “there is no condemnation for those in Christ.” 1 John 1:7 says, “the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.” Are these passages false? If you believe in purgatory that means that you are saying that Jesus Christ is not enough to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. We need something else.

If you say that we need something extra you are not Christian. The Catholic Church teaches that you can do works to shorten your time in purgatory. You can do penance for sins already forgiven and you can even do good works for others who are in purgatory.

This is blasphemy. Jesus paid our debt in full and to say otherwise is of the devil. Some Catholics teach that you can buy your way out of purgatory with money. A Catholic author even raised two million dollars to get souls out of purgatory.

Some Catholics are going to bring up 1 Corinthians 3:15 as proof text for purgatory which says, “if anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” Once again one passage is not going to contradict the entire Bible.

1 Corinthians 3:15 is clearly not referring to purgatory when we read it in context. 1 Cor. 3:12-15 is talking about a believers works being judged. Notice it does not say a believer will be passed through the fire.

Paul says that it is the work that is being tested here. So what is 1 Corinthians 3:15 really talking about? It has nothing to do with salvation. It is talking about the Judgment Seat of Christ. It’s talking about rewards in Heaven. Good works will survive the fire. False works will be consumed. 2 Corinthians 5 tells us what is to come for believers. 2 Corinthians 5:6–8 “So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.“

11. John 5:24 I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

12. John 19:30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

Dahustler007:
Like you said Rosaries, Praying to Mary, Praying to Saints to meditate before GOD on Our Behalf aren't in the Bible true talk, Our Mother Mary appeared to many Saints and places telling them about the benefits of praying the Rosary which I stated in my Post. She also appeared in Nigeria too sure you heard that.

Jesus Christ revealed himself to Saint. Maria Faustina, which he told her about his Great Mercy and his forever Ready to pour out his Mercy on those who are truly sorry for their sins. Catholics do have the 3'O Clock prayer of Divine mercy asking GOD to forgive our sins and that of the whole world.

Dahustler007:
Bro. Don't get me wrong, hope you read the part of my post that says we don't worship Idols, we worship the person of GOD the statue or picture we're bowing to portrays... But since you keep insisting it's idols we worship fine, got nothing to say no more.

johnw74:



Catholicism teaches that water baptism saves.

CCC 977- “Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification.”

CCC 1257 – “Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed.”

When you teach that you need faith and baptism for salvation that is heresy. Above I gave a plethora of verses to teach that salvation is by faith in Christ alone. Baptism is a public testimony of your faith in Christ. It is identifying yourself with the body. It is a symbol of being buried with Christ unto death and being resurrected with Christ in newness of life.

The baptism that saves you is baptism of the Holy Spirit. This is when the Spirit of God joins us to the body of Christ. Once you put your trust in Christ alone you will be baptized by the Spirit just like 1 Corinthians 12:13 says. Water baptism is an important act of obedience that we do after we are saved, but it doesn’t save us. It is a work of man. Man has to be there and man does the scrubbing. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a work of God where God saves a man.

The thief on the cross was not baptized. Some Catholics are going to say, “yeah but he’s the only exception.” My response is, who gives you the authority to say that? Is that biblical? Many people are going to jump to 1 Peter 3:21 to teach that baptism saves us. Cornelius received the Holy Spirit before being baptized, which shows he was already saved.

First, would one passage contradict 50+ verses that teach salvation is by faith in Christ alone? No! The entire New Testament teaches grace through faith in Christ alone. This is one of the essentials of Christianity. Would Peter contradict the other passages? No! Notice what Peter says in 1 Peter 3. He says no I’m not talking about the washing of your body in water.

I’m talking about immersion into Christ as seen in Romans 6:3-4, Galatians 3:27, and other chapters. Notice he says, “the pledge of a good conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” We are united with Jesus through faith alone. Baptism in this passage means immersion. Immersion into Christ saves you not washing your body in water.

8. 1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

9. Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.

10. Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.