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brocab:
Don't call one the the Lord's children satanist-who do you think you are?

God's children don't put their words before God's Word, and truly you are one of satans false accusers, like i said, just read your own posts, if you can understand your own greatly confused posts that is

brocab:
You have never been the one who can explain yourself-but only insult others by throwing the Word of God-against them-you are a bible basher, explaining verses is some ones best tool to work with-don't just demand-Jesus didn't throw the Word against people-so why should you.
We are all learning about the Word of God everyday-but we can't learn around people like you, I had asked you to explain your own words how you see the scriptures-and this is how you respond.
So I will start to explain my bible of {Revelation 1} The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-things which must shortly take place.
And He sent and signified it by His Angel to His servant John, Who bore witness to the Word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, and the all things that he saw.
{So the angel of the Lord showed John things}
{Verse 9} I John both your brother and companion in tribulation, and the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the Island that is called Patmos for the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I was in the spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last and what you see write it in a book and sent it to the seven Churches.
{The angel stood beside John as John heard a voice behind him}
{Verse 12} Then I turned to see the voice that spoke to me, And having turned I saw seven golden lambstands, and in the midst of the seven golden lambstands one like the Son of Man, clothed in a garment down to His feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and His hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eye's like a flame of fire.
{Verse 17} And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right Hand on me, saying to me, Do not be afraid: I am the First and the Last. I am He who Lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Since you are having trouble explaining the scriptures-as I have asked you to do-Are you telling me, while John was standing with the angel-John didn't see Christ, It wasn't Christ that spoke behind him-that John turned around to see?
Which one of the angels did God give His authority too?

duh, yet again another example of you not believing God's word

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
Please explain in your own words-stop the childish talk, really bro-I believed you had some sense. Its a big jump from {Revelation 1-to 22}

you brocab say standing for the truth of the Bible is childish talk and nonsense
but then you have become one of satans false accusers as most Bible opposers do

johnw74:
and still you continue to deny God's word:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
Please explain in your own words-stop the childish talk, really bro-I believed you had some sense. Its a big jump from {Revelation 1-to 22}

The verses are very clear and need no explaining, but for you once again
Jesus angel appeared to John representing Jesus and speaking as if he is Jesus, but you don't believe God's word
and go to lengths to try and explain the verses away, you have failed except in your own mind

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
Am I also your enemy now?

yes, all who put there own words before God's word are

brocab:
What do you call this?

duh, i call it truth, confused one

brocab:
{Revelation 1} John see's the glorified Christ in a Vision, Jesus is standing seven Golden lampstands, in His hand, Jesus holds the seven stars {Revelation 1:13, 16,20} In verse 20 Jesus explains the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in the right hand, and of the seven golden lambstands is this: The seven are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lambstands which you see are the seven Churches.
Now who did you say who's changing the scriptures?

and still you continue to deny God's word:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
people without the spirit of the Lord try to change the scriptures,

and that's what you are now going at great lenghts to do

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
And its a shame you don't want to go down that road and open up a new tread about end time news, you did say you have an interest in this end time theory , there's a lot going on, and someday the Lord will come back as He said He will, but in the mean time-we could stop hiding from under our beds and speak out into the open.

it's ridiculous to accuse that i'm scared to talk about end times, or about anything for that matter,
but you have now joined the club of false accusers, and why?
A. because i have endeavored to show you that you have said contrary to the Bible on two matters,
1. where you have wrongly used the Bible to show that Jesus is black when the verse doesn't show that at all
2. where u don't believe Bible verses showing that Jesus's Angel gave Revelation to John, but believe your own words instead

on both matters u have written much, opposing God's word, for your own
just like many others do

brocab:
This shows we aren't on the same track bro-believing is something I do quite well-understanding the scriptures is another-but what you are not understanding is how I understand them, I know what the scriptures say-but I don't stop there-I see a bigger picture to it, I don't see just one verse-written in black and white-I see John fainting before the Lord-this is the description John fell down like he is dead, I look further into the bible and try to find other scriptures-that flow's with what John had seen and heard, every thing in the bible interest me, and of course you had pointed out the scriptures, and I of course have open them up along with my own thoughts I have learnt from reading the bible, so I see a bigger picture bro-I don't stop at Revelation 1.
John see's and heard the glorified Christ in a vision, Jesus was standing amongst 7 golden lamp-stands! Samuel in the other hand heard the voice of God, but did not recognise it, until it was instructed by Eli. {1 Samuel 3:1-10}
This story sounds like Johns story-John heard the Lord's voice and did not recognise it, at first, until he turned-but bro John knew he heard the voice of the Lord, John knew it wasn't the angels voice, this voice came from behind John, so he turned around, like Samuel he knew it was God's voice, but he didn't recognise it-it would have been quite rare in those day's without having the bible.
It's quite simple to understand, plus it is common sense-I have had friends behind me-calling out my name-sometimes voices can be deceiving, and I turn around to see who's calling.
John had enough sense to know it wasn't the angel speaking with him-but another voice came up behind John, and John turned to see who it was and John seen it was one like the Son of Man.
{Revelation 1:9-12} I was in the spirit on the Lords day-and I heard behind me a loud voice as of a trumped saying I am the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last, "What you see write in a book and send it the to 7 churches.
Then I turned around a saw the voice that spoke to me, one like the Son of Man.

brocab:
Don't take this any other way bro, but when I read through the scriptures-I test it, some interpretations of bible knowledge sound slightly different, people without the spirit of the Lord try to change the scriptures, they think it should sound the way they believe it will help others to understand it clearly-to be honest-they are removing and adding the word of God-when Jesus said not too.
I myself prefer the KJ's bible-but of course I find the KJ suits my own understanding.
When it comes to the Word-I try to see the bigger picture-I don't just sit on one verse, the spirit of the Lord opens up many verses that lines up to my knowledge of understanding.
God shows us in ways we understand, we are all made in the image of God-but we don't have that same IQ-some are smarter in ways then others-vise are versa, but at least we all know, we are equal in the eye's of the Lord.
As I see the bible, as someone ask-I try to explain to people how simple the bible is written-I explain to them the language they know, I speak in parables, just like Jesus did-and I see why parables were used, it helps people to understand, it gives them the knowledge to know how simple the bible explains itself.
People in genial do ask difficult questions-they try so hard, to try and confuse the bible, I suppose if one doesn't have the answers-hell breaks loose, I have found it harder to share the Word of God with Christians, then talking with the atheist, because they are cold for God-not lukewarm like most Christians come across to be.
It must be hard at times with you to brother-I am sure you would have those difficult questions people try to argue about-it must blow your mind-just as much as it blows their minds, what I had learnt over the years-people are looking for simple answers because the Word of God is simple. People run away because people don't explain it the way the Lord had written it.
Jesus said if you don't come as little children, you will never enter the kingdom of God {Matthew 18:3}
And its a shame you don't want to go down that road and open up a new tread about end time news, you did say you have an interest in this end time theory , there's a lot going on, and someday the Lord will come back as He said He will, but in the mean time-we could stop hiding from under our beds and speak out into the open.

bro you are doing a lot of twisting to try and make scripture say something else,
but it is the truth just as it is, you are running all over the place to try and change it

Jesus Angel is representing Jesus and speaks as if He is Jesus

John said Jesus gave him the revelation by His angel, but you don't believe it

Jesus Himself said He sent his angel to give John the revelation, but you don't believe Him

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6  And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

brocab:
Well with my own experiences-either I am asleep or awake-I hear the voice of the Lord-either I was in the spirit-I don't know, God knows, I heard the voice of the Lord speaking with me through the scriptures, I am either awake or a sleep-my spirit knows the Lord's voice-usually the night before I pray to the Lord, and through the night the Lord speaks to my unconscious sleep, many times I have woken up repeating the scriptures I had received from the Lord through the night. Bro everybody who follows Christ, either in the spirit or in their flesh knows the voice of the Lord-As He said: My sheep know My voice..
I have also had encounters with the demonic-trying to make some kind of a deal with me-of course I say get away from me in the name of Jesus.
I believe through the thundering voice John heard, John knew it was Jesus, Jesus had already told His disciples God the Father had given Jesus all His authority.
And on the Lord's day, I was in the spirit, and I heard behind me a voice like a trumpet-this voice made John turn around-and John seen one like the Son of Man, bro to be honest even the disciples were fearful, "they may have recognised Moses and Elijah on the mount talking with Jesus, but they seen them in spirit, which is unusual. I am sure John's story would have felt the same.
{Mark 9:5} The disciples did not know what to say because they were greatly afraid.
John's story would have felt the same, not knowing the unknown is fearful-John seen Jesus in the spirit-this was something John was not used too, John heard right, he knew the voice, but John didn't recognise the description, it frightened him, and he fell down as if he was dead. Jesus then put His hand on John assuring John it is I the Lord.
It would be quite scary not knowing the unknown in any case.
When I see scriptures such as these-I think of my own interpretations, and my own experiences, walking with the Lord-is something I like to take very seriously-and when I see the scriptures such as this one-it brings me back to the other scriptures-about what the Lord had said: for Some reason, I can't believe John didn't know the Lord's voice-when Jesus say's in scripture His sheep knows His voice-how could anybody forget?

bro it's a matter of believing the Bible, you may not understand the verses,
John said Jesus gave the revelation to him by His Angel:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:



And Jesus Himself said at the end of the revelation, that He had sent His angel to testify to John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
Well this is one of my interest too-I love the Word of God-I want to know the in's and out's what Jesus meant about these end of times, and this is what I had found that is quite interesting-There are plenty of forums over the net-I think the best is to see how the world had changed around you. We just need to go to church to see what {1 Timothy 6:3-5} Is talking about-Christians not obeying the Word of God but ratter allowing prosperity preachers rule other them-Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth-who think that godliness is the means of financial gain.
This is the real revelation we should be focusing on, Jesus had given us these warnings all through the scriptures, so when these times come to pass we will recognise them standing at our door.
The Governments in every country controls the media, the Lord is using watchman through the internet, so you and I can-see the end is near.
The chip-is here, either it is placed on our foreheads or our right hand, it's here-people in genial are retrieving these chips because of technology, people haven't the slightest idea-what they are walking into-I have heard Christian pastors claiming to receive the mark of the beast-and believe they can still worship God.
What about the rumors of wars Russia China, Nth Korea America everywhere around the world are lining there armies up along there borders, ready for war. Jesus had warned us these things will come to pass-and sure enough we are standing on the edge-of it all.
The believers we think we have knowing for so long-have falling away from the truth-Christians-refusing to share the Word of God, but rather keep quite fearing someone may recognise them to be a believer, the Love of God-is far from them-some believe hiding will save them away from the enemy, Jesus talks about the end of day's Christians don't read Revelation-Daniel, Matthew, Mark, Luke.
The larger Churches in the world are packed with Christians from all walks of life, running after prosperity, bro, they are serving Mammon rather than serving God.
Every street corner has cameras-every store-the modern technology have hidden cameras built in computers Televisions phones, etc, the Illuminati-controls every system-the world has to offer.
Had you read about the "CERN" a seven mile round system scientists believe they can find ways to discover how the world began, "CERN" this could help destroy the world-when in operational.
This is the revelation the Lord warns us about-people don't read enough of the bible to know these things are coming, I myself had spoken out-and Christians call me crazy-I am crazy because I believe everything to Lord said: it will happen.
Even on this same forum bro on end times-I have written some pretty interesting things-you may already be aware off.
News about end time event's are everywhere-not only Christians, but the atheist are talking.
I am always open to end time news-so feel free to inform me-on any news you may find-I am always interested.
Strange things are happening, people are talking about these dates-Aug 21 2017-and Sep 23?
Movies can be used as signs about end times, cartoons had played an interest.
Jason A on you tube is quite interesting, read about the Fema camps in America, read about Obama buying 33.000 guillotines, already the Christians are being slaughtered around the world-not only Christians but everyone may be in trouble sooner then we think.
Christians having dreams of invasion of UFO's-the Clem-trials-and the strange signs in the clouds, loud strange noises are heard across the nations.
The Governments are building deep underground bunkers, like cities. This is crazy stuff bro, but to be honest Christians are turning their heads away-this is not happening-Christian aren't reading their bibles bro, Earthquakes in various places-everything the bible tells us is all coming to pass, floods, hurricanes-strange weather patterns, hail stones as big as golf balls-and larger, people are running to and fro, no-one is safe-terrorist-from all walks of life-are even using vehicles to terrorise.
These are the little things and the days are becoming shorter, Blood red Moons, rivers turning into blood, the fish are washed up on the beaches, the birds are dropping out of the skies, these are just the little things Christians turn away from.
Homosexual marriage-the Church had turned their hearts away from the Lord-the Church had accepted this lie into our community. Homosexuals leading Churches, priest-pastors, Pope Francis say's who is he to judge" the Lord said: by their fruit we will know them-this is against the Word of God-God loves everybody, but God hates the sin. Adam and Eve "Not" Adam and Steve. Does anybody believe anymore.
And these are just the beginning of sorrows.

@bold, You have to be careful of believing all that is said on the internet though, bro

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The chemtrail conspiracy theory is the claim that long-lasting trails, so-called "chemtrails", are left in the sky by high-flying aircraft and that they consist of chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed for unknown purposes undisclosed to the general public.[1] Believers in the theory argue that normal contrails dissipate relatively quickly and that contrails that do not dissipate must contain additional substances.[2][3] These arguments have been dismissed by the scientific community: such trails are normal water-based contrails (condensation trails) that are routinely left by high-flying aircraft under certain atmospheric conditions.[4] Although proponents have attempted to prove that the claimed chemical spraying does take place, their analyses have been flawed or based on misconceptions.[5][6]

Because of the persistence of the conspiracy theory and questions about government involvement, scientists and government agencies around the world have repeatedly explained that supposed chemtrails are in fact normal contrails.[2][7][8]

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brocab:
Ok, I hope we are on the same track explaining this topic with each other-I assure you I am not in argument with you-but If we look at a bigger picture-it is important how Jesus is described to the world, most people see Jesus images before they would even think of believing in Jesus Himself, having a false outlook of Jesus can turn the world around, and when the Antichrist comes in full view-he will show himself the way the world see's Jesus. Look at the Pope-he shows himself as the god of the world-another false image, And who will follow after the beast.
The artifact's we have seen of the Egyptians-in paintings or other artifacts they found in the past-none were white-some are black, and some tan, blown colour-Jesus wasn't white-the heat of the day-would have changed any mans colour-Joseph Mary and Jesus blended in with the Egyptians when Herod was looking for him, the Jesus the Catholic's had describe Him to be-white-is given Jesus a hole new identity, blonde hair blue eye's, this isn't the description we retrieve in spirit, nor is it His description when He roamed the land.

Moses up on the mount didn't see God-as the bible tells us no-one had seen God at anytime-but the Lord sent an angel in the presents of God. {10 commandments.}
John in the other hand also had an encounter with God-John seen One like the Son of Man standing before him, either it was an angel-like Moses had seen-because No-one had seen God at anytime-all John did see Jesus standing before him in spirit and flesh, John recognised the voice of Jesus, John knew.
{Revelation 1:17} Said: "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last.
John gave a good description of Jesus-One like the Son of Man-doesn't actually say it was an angel, like the Moses story the Lord sent His angel.
Jesus said: My sheep follow Me-He also said: My sheep know My voice-John turned around because John knew Jesus's voice.
Have you ever had a encounter with a strange presents around you-knowing something is watching you-either it is good or evil, they are scary, Jesus's disciples fell down in fear-seeing Moses and Elijah in spirit standing with Jesus, John's first encounter in spirit-would have been terrifying at first, he may have been shaking up-about his hole ordeal, One like the Son of Man-John's last encounter with Jesus in the flesh-and not in the spirit-would have knock John around.

@bold,
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

^^^ God gave Jesus revelation, Jesus testified to John through His Angel vvv

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
Ok, I hope we are on the same track explaining this topic with each other-I assure you I am not in argument with you-but If we look at a bigger picture-it is important how Jesus is described to the world, most people see Jesus images before they would even think of believing in Jesus Himself, having a false outlook of Jesus can turn the world around, and when the Antichrist comes in full view-he will show himself the way the world see's Jesus. Look at the Pope-he shows himself as the god of the world-another false image, And who will follow after the beast.
The artifact's we have seen of the Egyptians-in paintings or other artifacts they found in the past-none were white-some are black, and some tan, blown colour-Jesus wasn't white-the heat of the day-would have changed any mans colour-Joseph Mary and Jesus blended in with the Egyptians when Herod was looking for him, the Jesus the Catholic's had describe Him to be-white-is given Jesus a hole new identity, blonde hair blue eye's, this isn't the description we retrieve in spirit, nor is it His description when He roamed the land.

Moses up on the mount didn't see God-as the bible tells us no-one had seen God at anytime-but the Lord sent an angel in the presents of God. {10 commandments.}
John in the other hand also had an encounter with God-John seen One like the Son of Man standing before him, either it was an angel-like Moses had seen-because No-one had seen God at anytime-all John did see Jesus standing before him in spirit and flesh, John recognised the voice of Jesus, John knew.
{Revelation 1:17} Said: "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last.
John gave a good description of Jesus-One like the Son of Man-doesn't actually say it was an angel, like the Moses story the Lord sent His angel.
Jesus said: My sheep follow Me-He also said: My sheep know My voice-John turned around because John knew Jesus's voice.
Have you ever had a encounter with a strange presents around you-knowing something is watching you-either it is good or evil, they are scary, Jesus's disciples fell down in fear-seeing Moses and Elijah in spirit standing with Jesus, John's first encounter in spirit-would have been terrifying at first, he may have been shaking up-about his hole ordeal, One like the Son of Man-John's last encounter with Jesus in the flesh-and not in the spirit-would have knock John around.

@underline,
John didn't turn around because he recognized Jesus voice bro,
John turned around to see who it was that was speaking to him

Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 

then John fell down as if dead, John would not have been fearful if he knew that it was Jesus,
and Jesus-the first and the last, let John know through His Angel just who He was(I am he that liveth, and was dead ....)

Rev 1:17  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

1Sharon:
Isnt it obvious that he is trolling?

i'm not suprised at a God hater calling the truth of the Bible trolling,
however your inflammatory mocking of the Opening Post is trolling

Finfadei:
Reading, listening and watching the news and happenings around me everyday. The things I read, hear and watch breaks my heart, weakens my body and shatters my spirit and makes me wonder when Christ will come!

1Sharon:
He has got lost in space

OtemAtum:
Currenlty I am a mocker of all immature gods who don't have sense, e.g Yahweh,

big diffrence between mocking the true God, and god's that don't exist:

Jud_1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.


Rev 22:12 I'm coming soon! I will bring my reward with me to pay all people based on what they have done.

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Jhaytee4all:
#IPerceive. . .

You are someone familiar. . .

maybe in him is another kind of familiar, a familiar spirit

Definition of familiar spirit. 1 : a spirit or demon that serves or prompts an individual

bro, there would be no point in starting an end time thread on nairaland
just look at how the satanists jump in to derail:
https://www.nairaland.com/3994546/christ-ever-come

1Sharon:
He has got lost in space

sonofluc1fer:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.


Jesus is not coming back again. Never. He lied. The Bible is a lie.

Now, relax and enjoy your life.

and to all the other antichrists here, u also will have your reward:

Jud_1:18  How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.


Rev 22:12  I'm coming soon! I will bring my reward with me to pay all people based on what they have done.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

lightblazingnow:
Resume of Jesus Christ


Address: Ephesians 1:20
Phone: Romans 10:13
Website: The Bible
Keywords: Jesus Christ, Lord & Savior

My name is Jesus - The Christ. Many call me Lord! I've sent you my resume because I'm seeking the top management position in your heart. Please consider my accomplishments as set forth in my resume.

I accept you Jesus for the top management position in my heart

MrPresident1:
Lamentations 5:10
10 Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.

Job 30:30
My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.

Lamentations 4:8
Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.

THEIR VISAGE IS BLACKER THAN A COAL!!!!

WAKE UP NOW!!!!!

does it matter what color Jesus skin was?

but your posted verses show that Jesus fore fathers were white(verse 7), before God at that time caused them
to suffer famine due to their sins


they were compared to fine gold, verse 2

they are punished for their sins, verse 6

they were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk verse 7

Their visage is become blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick. verse 8
 
They that be slain with the sword are better than they that be slain with hunger: for these pine away, stricken through for want of the fruits of the field. verse 9


read all of chapter 4



again, why was their skin black?
A. because of the terrible famine

Lam 5:10  Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine. 



Job 30:30  My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat. 

job's skin is black and his bones burned with heat because of the
curses and diseases God has allowed satan to inflict on him.


read the book of job

brocab:
Ok, I hope we are on the same track explaining this topic with each other-I assure you I am not in argument with you-but If we look at a bigger picture-it is important how Jesus is described to the world, most people see Jesus images before they would even think of believing in Jesus Himself, having a false outlook of Jesus can turn the world around, and when the Antichrist comes in full view-he will show himself the way the world see's Jesus. Look at the Pope-he shows himself as the god of the world-another false image, And who will follow after the beast.
The artifact's we have seen of the Egyptians-in paintings or other artifacts they found in the past-none were white-nor black, but a tan, blown colour-Jesus wasn't white-Joseph Mary and Jesus blended in with the Egyptians when Herod was looking for him, the Jesus the Catholic's had describe Him to be-white-is given Jesus a hole new identity, blonde hair blue eye's, this isn't the description we retrieve in spirit, nor is it His description when He roamed the land.

Moses up on the mount didn't see God-as the bible tells us no-one had seen God at anytime-but the Lord sent an angel in the presents of God. {10 commandments.}
John in the other hand also had an encounter with God-John seen One like the Son of Man standing before him, either it was an angel-like Moses had seen-because No-one had seen God at anytime-I believe John seen Jesus standing before him in spirit and flesh, John recognised the voice of Jesus, John knew.
{Revelation 1:17} Said: "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last.
Jesus said: My sheep follow Me-He also said: My sheep know My voice-John turned around because John knew Jesus's voice. John also said: He seen One like the Son of Man-that would have been John's first encounter he had with Jesus in spirit.
Have you ever seen a spirit-it's a strange presents around you-knowing something is watching you-either it is good or evil, they can be scary, John wrote Revelation-this may have been his first encounter in spirit-not knowing is terrifying at first, he may have been shaking up-about his hole ordeal.

the end times-eschatology, is a subject i'm interested in
there are things happening in the world now that are hinting to the nearness of that time
the build up of russian forces and their allies along the syria Israerl border for one,
do you know of a good endtime forum?

brocab:
Well if you look at copper, bronze-it isn't white-Jesus wasn't recognisable-as what the Catholic's had made Him to be-He wasn't easy to pick out of the crowd-the pharisees who had seen Him, couldn't find Him-they needed help from Judas.
It does matter-to the believers today-how the bible describes Jesus-{Isaiah 53:2-10} For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground, He has no form of comeliness, and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him, He is despised and rejected by men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and we hid, as it were, our faces from Him, He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
It does matter how the Catholic Church had identified Jesus, they had completely given Jesus a new identity.
Jesus said: you believed because you have seen Me-blessed are those who have not seen Me, and believed. False images or information will always lead people up the wrong path.
Hows is this verse-{John 5:43} I have come in My Fathers name-and you do not accept Me-But if someone else comes in his own name you will accept him.
Lets look at this verse-Jesus had come in His own Name-and the world had rejected Him. The Pope had come in his own name-and the world had accepted him. Isn't this true? It is important how we describe Jesus-the world see's Pope Francis as the god on earth.

the brass-bronze reference is to Jesus immortal spirit body
not to His fleh human body, it is diffrent, i would say it's how the Word of God looked before He became man
and as he now again looks:


(Rev 1:14) His head and his hair were white like wool-like snow. His eyes were like flames of fire.

(Rev 1:15) His feet were like glowing bronze refined in a furnace. ....
.... His face was like the sun when it shines in all its brightness.

even though it is actually Jesus Angel, i reckon He also looks like Jesus,
He has all of the authority of Jesus and talks as if He is Jesus

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

brocab:
And with the description Revelation had given us-Jesus's feet were like bronze in a furnace-when bronze burns it's black-Joseph was called in a dream-to take Mary and the Child to Egypt-and wait there until the Lord calls, the Egyptians back then were black-and if Jesus was white with blue eye's, Herod would easily pick Him out from the crowd.
How about the story when Judas gave up Jesus-the Pharisees couldn't recognise Jesus-they hated Jesus, and yet they asked Judas-which one is He, Judas said the one I kiss is He. If Jesus was white-the Pharisees wouldn't have any problems picking Jesus out from the crowd, instead they asked Judas which one is He.
How about the story when Jesus hid Himself in the crowd-so the Pharisees and scribes couldn't find Him. The Catholic Church had surely twisted their doctrines-they have given Jesus a new identity-one that doesn't match up with the Word of God. And plus It's quite strange hating somebody you don't even know..
The Jews in this day and age-have mixed cultures, some are blacker then others-some have white skin. if Jesus looked like these descriptions the Church had describe Him to be-than why the many different pictures painted of Jesus, Mary and the saints-why are all the statues different from the other? There is only one reason to this question, because none of their descriptions describes any of the above.
Have you ever wondered in this day and age why the Catholic Church refuses the Word of God-Jesus's true colour is either black or blown?
We have heard time and time again-Catholic's actually believe they are above all, Catholic's need these artifacts from the past-images of god's-goddess, just to keeps that old pagan tradition alive, none of them reflect to Christ, nor Mary nor any of the saints.
Its a control thing bro-the Church control the people-and everyone who disbelieves-were either castrated from the past, Pope Francis is trying to call all Churches together joining the church once again, Pope Francis wants the control-in the New World Religion-under the New World Order. The past is now the future.
{John 20:29} "Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen Me, and believed.

i don't think it matters if two thousand years ago
Jesus and jews were white or black, or in between,
He didn't have blue eyes and long hair as portrayed by rcc and most others

Jesus feet in His immortal state are described in revelation as being like "fine brass" or "glowing bronze"
which is a gold colour or similar to polished copper and brass,



KJV Rev 1:15  And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; ....
GW Rev 1:15  His feet were like glowing bronze refined in a furnace. ....


"fine brass "glowing bronze"
G5474
χαλκαλίβανον
chalkalibanon
khal-kol-ib'-an-on
Neuter of a compound of G5475 and G3030 (in the implied mean of whiteness or brilliancy); burnished(polished) copper, an alloy of copper (or gold) and silver having a brilliant lustre: - fine brass.
Total KJV occurrences: 2


"burned in a furnace" "refined in a furnace"
G4448
πυρόω
puroō
poo-ro'-o
From G4442; to kindle, that is, (passively) to be ignited, glow (literally), be refined (by implication), or (figuratively) to be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust): - burn, fiery, be on fire, try.
Total KJV occurrences: 6

Ubenedictus:
And your church is the Church of the saints right. Free from sin.


God save us from hypocrites.

@bold,
the roman catholic church with many of it's priests sexually assaulting children,
certinally isn't the church of the saints, but is the church of satan.

the roman catholic church that puts it's doctrines first before God's word,
certinally isn't the church of the saints, but is the church of satan.

brocab:
Uben had always felt above everybody else, every Catholic I have met over the years are all the same, they believe their religion started all religion.
The problem with religion is, they believe only because they have seen images of Christ, with blue eye's and golden blonde hair, and stands 6 foot tall-without these images-none of them would believe, it is impossible for everybody to believe without accepting Christ into their lives and receiving the spirit of God.
{John 20:29} Jesus said: because you have seen Me-you have believed, bless are those who have not seen Me, and yet have believed.
Religion hates the invisible God-if the Catholic Church really believed in the invisible God, than the Church wouldn't have to build images to prove otherwise.
Have you heard of the old saying-I won't believe it-until I see it first. Every time one enters into a Catholic Church-who are the images they see and believe.

yeah bro, no one knows exactly how Jesus looked, but being jewish on His mothers side
it's unlikely He had blue eyes, and He didn't have long hair like a woman as is depicted of Him in many paintings

1Co_11:14  Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
^^^ Paul would not have said that if Jesus had long hair.


u were right bro in describing how Jesus looks now in His immortal body:

(Rev 1:13)  There was someone like the Son of Man among the lamp stands. He was wearing a robe that reached his feet. He wore a gold belt around his waist.

(Rev 1:14)  His head and his hair were white like wool-like snow. His eyes were like flames of fire.

(Rev 1:15)  His feet were like glowing bronze refined in a furnace. His voice was like the sound of raging waters.
(Rev 1:16)  In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp, two-edged sword. His face was like the sun when it shines in all its brightness.

brocab:
Does this mean Uben had finely come to her/his senses?

no bro, dictus was being sarcastic, lying-falsely accusing, again

i said thank you, not because he was being sincere, but because his statment(bolded) in reality is true

Ubenedictus:
And your church is the Church of the saints right. Free from sin.


God save us from hypocrites.

the church of the saints is also free from sin in Christ,
but dictus wouldn't understand or believe any of that

he good false accuser though

of course a church that doesn't believe or obey God's word, such as the roman catholic church,
has satan as it's god

of course a church that believes it's own doctrine over the Bible,
has satan as it's god



God, is the God of the Bible, and the God of Christians

satan, is the god of the roman catholic church, and the god of roman catholics


Speaking of rcc-rc's:

(1Ti 4:1)  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

(1Ti 4:2)  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

(1Ti 4:3)  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Ubenedictus:
And your church is the Church of the saints right. Free from sin.


God save us from hypocrites.

@bold, thank u 4 saying that dictus, and i agree with u for once
the other is of course just more typically confused garbage-lies and false accusing from u, rc dictus

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1Ti 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

^^^ the roman catholic church is the worlds main teacher in the doctrines of devils, while opposing the Bible,
such as believing their demonic doctrine of making things God said not to make, and bowing down to them,
and rejecting God's word which says not to do those things. 



2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 

(Eph 6:10)  Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

(Eph 6:11)  Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

(Eph 6:12)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


without God's word the roman catholics don't wrestle against spiritual wickedness in high places,
they are one with it.



Christians can have the full armour of the Lord
which includes Truth, Faith, and the word of God,
these are just three things that roman catholics don't have and which roman catholics hate,
such as in blue above, they don't have the truth because they don't believe what God said, and so they don't have the word of God, and as Faith is God given, and He doesn't give it to those who reject His word and to those that hate Him, they don't have Faith either.

(Eph 6:11)  Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
(Eph 6:12)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(Eph 6:13)  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(Eph 6:14)  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
(Eph 6:15)  And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
(Eph 6:16)  Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
(Eph 6:17)  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

the false goddess, the queen of heaven, was worshipped long ago, angering God
and the roman catholics today call mary, the queen of heaven

Jer_7:18  The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

roman catholics say that mary is the queen of heaven,
the queen of heaven is a false goddess that roman catholice pray to, to pray to God for them,
do you think God hears the prayers of a false goddess, that doesn't exist in reality
do u think that God hears the prayers of roman catholics when they pray to God through a goddess that doesn't exist

of course not, those with the spirit of satan-Bible and God haters, pray to their false gods, people and angels,
and others that never even existed


those with God's Spirit pray to God only:

Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

^^^ sons pray to Father

(2Th 2:10)  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
(2Th 2:11)  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(2Th 2:12)  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



delusion abounds in the roman catholic church:
they hate the truth-God's Word, and they love their false doctrines that oppose the Bible,
and because of that God has sent then delusion that they should believe the lies that they love,
and that they all might be dammed who believed not the truth:

Dahustler007:
I WAS BORN A CATHOLIC, I'LL DIE A CATHOLIC AND LEMME PERISH IN HELL IF BEING A CATHOLIC MEANS I HATE GOD!!!!

^^^ being a roman catholic does mean u hate God, but u don't believe Him, of course.

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Ubenedictus:
This is what you said,




with the rcc being rife with priests comitting
sexual assault on children
it's clear that their god-their originator of church
doctrine which goes against God's word, is
satan.









it is still fall actions.

yes dictus, for about the third time, i did say that, and of course it is true

rcc priests comitting sexual assult on children is from satan
and it's also clear that the rcc doctrines that go against God's word is also from satan


see dictus, how disbelieving God and hating God causes u great confusion

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

^^^ of course that leaves out the rcc being a church of the saints

Dahustler007:
Bro. You're not GOD to tell who hates or Loves Him

it's God who said that u people who make the things he said not to,
and who bow down to them "hate Him"

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

God said it, and of course I agree with Him, and of course u don't believe Him,
a God hater wouldn't believe Him

Dahustler007:
Only GOD can Judge us
Just Hold On to what You Believe
Let others Hold on to what they Believe
We Throwing Shots at each Other's Believe makes
No Point.

Growing-up I knew I was Serving a Living GOD now you telling me all my Life I've been Serving Idols.... It's all Cool... Say what you Feel about the Catholic Church that won't Change Nothing.


I WAS BORN A CATHOLIC, I'LL DIE A CATHOLIC AND LEMME PERISH IN HELL IF BEING A CATHOLIC MEANS I HATE GOD!!!!




Twas nice meeting y'all, I'm done talking..
GOD Bless Us All
I won't answer any quote

@bold, that's your choice, and those who don't believe God will perish in hell-be thrown into the Lake Of Fire

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.