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MuttleyLaff:
You are still oblivious or ignorant over this
This FYI has nothing to do with you ''caring'' or not ''caring''
nor anything to do with me ''liking'' or not ''liking''

OK I see that you are slow
so again:

johnw74: MuttleyLaff, Try and understand, I don't care that you don't like the word "Christian"

This is not an acceptable explanation, it doesnt mean its right because they are happy over it

Who asked/told the saved-happy to be CALLED CHRISTian after CHRIST?

So wherever you go, make DISCIPLES of all nations:
Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit
- Matthew 28:19

Note Matthew 28:19 states:
make disciples AND NOT make christians

7 billion people call followers of Jesus Christ "Christians"
you 1 person say no they are not, delusional

Kudducini:
Chai Another Proof Jesus Was Not A Christain + There Is Nothing Like Christianity




Xo Christianity Is False??



Xo Islam Is False??
Chai These People Ehn Na Wetin Make Me Join Nairaland Oh Chai Xo Xo Confusing


I Saw Some Posts That Verified There Was Nothing Like Xtianity

Cos Jesus Never Called Himself A Christain

They don't understand that CHRIST is not a follower of Himself
followers of CHRIST are called CHRISTians
they follow Jesus who is the CHRIST

But that's too difficult for them to understand.

MuttleyLaff:
I am known by whatever name God Almighty knows me

I agree with you that you are not known by God Almighty as a "Christian"

side note:
Q. what would a person haveing a picture of the moronic Anonymous hackers for their profile picture
have in common with God

A. probably nothing

The saved are happy to be called CHRISTian after CHRIST
and then there are many outside of this group that are not happy to be called CHRISTian after CHRIST

MuttleyLaff, Try and understand, I don't care that you don't like the word "Christian".

johnw74:
I'm happy to be called Christian after my Lord Jesus Christ
and I'm happy to call others of faith in Jesus Christ Christians
after our Lord Jesus Christ.

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost won't be forgiven
calling the Holy Spirit, the spirit of satan
especially concerning Jesus Christ.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The blasphemy Jesus is talking off is when the Pharacees said, Jesus does His Miracles through satan-beelzebub

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.




Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.




Luk 11:14 And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
Luk 11:15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils

macof:
Ok so animals can't go to heaven because they lack a spirit but humans do?

Then this spirit is what exactly? The stuff that animates humans? Lemme ask you. ..aren't animals animated?

I don't know if animals will go to Heaven or not, but apparently animals have spirit.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth

Lanre747:
You are doing it again. Trying to prove NT by quoting NT. Also, "it is inspired by God", because you say so? Or how?

I advised if you seek you will find
seek truth in the NT and you will find, and that verse will prove itself to you.
You have to put in some yards, not everything is given us on a platter.

Mat_7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Remilekun101:
[size=16pt]Look here..... There is no miracle anywhere... have there every been a virgin birth since then....
and i repeat the Jewish meaning of a virgin is a woman who has never conceived not someone who has never had sex, since your bible come from the Hebrew language you cant possibly understand their language more than them....[/size]

Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

MuttleyLaff:
The early believers or disciples called each other ''brethren'', ''disciples'', ''apostles'', ''servants'', ''believers'', ''followers'', ''the faithful'', ''the elect'', ''the called'' and ''saints''

No the early believers or disciples didn't call each other:- "hey there elect",
"how you going apostle"
"I'm okay saint"

they called each other by their names.

MuttleyLaff:
I'll let posterity be the judge of who is much confused

... that's because you cant, you wouldn't dare say that, you're unable to say that,
even deductive reasoning is unable to come to your rescue or bail you out.
Need I say no more. I rest my case

First you say I said something that I didn't say,
and then you based an argument on that which I didn't say,
now you say I wouldn't dare say that, and you rest your case.

There seems something wrong with you,
I know you say you are not Christian,
which might be the reason for all of your confusion.

Many people think they know it all, but unless they do,
they just look foolish.

MuttleyLaff:
Him and johnw74 absolutely have NO scriptural verse backing that Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints, ever called themselves Christians

You are much confused, post quote where I said that Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints, called themselves Christians

MuttleyLaff:
It does matter because of the following 5 reasons:

#1 Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints never called themselves Christians
#2 This Christian word, just like negro/nigger, was used by, others, of early believers, disciples or saints
and not used by early believers, disciples or saints of themselves
#3 Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples avoided the Christian word and the use of it.
#4 You wont find any of the New Testament authors using the christian word to describe themselves or to describe fellow believers, disciples or saints
#5 Last and importantly, the word ''Christian'' is a term of the world,
people who belong to the world imposed the word ''Christian'' on early believers or disciples
so, instead of conforming to the world,
it is best to use the words of God, used to describes those who are His
and particularly take heed of 1 John 4:5-6.

⁵These people belong to the world.
That's why they speak the thoughts of the world, and the world listens to them.
⁶We belong to God. The person who knows God listens to us.
Whoever doesn't belong to God doesn't listen to us.
That's how we can tell the Spirit of truth from the spirit of lies.
1 John 4:5-6

Jesus never called or described those who had faith in Him christians.
God has never called any believers, disciples, brethren or saints a Christian

Non sequitur

The Christian word shares a similar contemptuous undertone as the negro/nigger word did and still does, thats why

Some are so stucked in the church system and tradition
they hardly ask the why-questions or face the truth,
as this will mess up the pet-doctrines and strong opinionated beliefs they were raised upon.
Him and johnw74 absolutely have NO scriptural verse backing that Paul, the Apostles, early believers, disciples or saints, ever called themselves Christians
Suffice to say there is hope

Put it this way, it's black-and-white ​issue, as the fact is clear and truth out there

I'm happy to be called Christian after my Lord Jesus Christ
and I'm happy to call others of faith in Jesus Christ Christians
after our Lord Jesus Christ.

If you have a diffrent Lord then call yourself differently.

Lanre747:
I don't doubt what is written in the law and the prophets. It is the NT that is under scrutiny here. How can you try prove the NT is legitimate by simply quoting it?

We can know that the NT is true because like the law and prophets it is inspired by God.

If I read Isaiah and wanted to mislead people, won't I write my own book and start quoting left right and centre so it appears as though prophecy is coming to pass. you say "the bible" as if one man sat down and wrote every single book and sent it off to Vista Print.

The Bible isn't written by one man, but it is inspired by one God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If you don't believe the NT then you may not believe that verse either
what is needed then is faith, faith that is given to them that seek the truth.

Mat_7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

I can tell you that it is true, if you will believe me

MuttleyLaff:
Please answer this johnw74:
Did Paul explicitly call himself a Christian, did the early believers, disciples or Apostles explicitly called themselves Christians?

What does that matter, those who have faith in Jesus Christ became known as Christians,
and faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.

Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Jesus is the Christ
His disciples-followers are Christians

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

^^^
Is that what is called trolling?

Remilekun101:
But why are people so gullible to believe such a story... does holy spirit has sperm?

If you don't believe God is all powerful and cannot cause a virgin to give birth,
then perhaps you don't believe He created the World.

Isa_7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Luk_1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Luk_1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

If you don't believe what is written in the Bible, and that God can do anything, then what more can I say?

Remilekun101:
That's is where the error came in

Do you still not see that a young woman conceiving is no sign at all.

johnw74:
A young woman being with child would not be a sign from God, as that is a normal thing
A virgin being with child would be a sign from God as that is miraculous.

Lanre747:
According to the gentleman, a sign of something to come to pass in the days of King Ahaz, would only take place hundreds of years thereafter?

I can see why one might come to that illogical conclusion when you read the bible the way their so-called leaders ask them to read it. That is, without logic or common sense.

Lanre, you will be the next president of Nigeria. Give me a sign Lord. Ok, the sign is that in 500 years, a commet will strike the earth. Insane!

Can you still not see that verse 14 is talking about the descendants of David, the Jews
and not King Ahaz

13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Lanre747:
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you [KING AHAZ] a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

[i]In other words God himself will give King Ahaz a sign, since King Ahaz refused to ask for one.
The sign Is that the virgin will conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
This is where the CONFUSION BEGINS. This is where the New Testament writers falsely claims that this is a future prophecy of Jesus.
As we have just read from Verse 1 of this Chapter we now know that THIS WAS NOT A FUTURE PROPHECY OF JESUS. NOR DID THE SIGN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH A FUTURE PROPHECY OF JESUS. IT WAS A SIGN FOR KING AHAZ.

When you get it wrong in the beginning you usually have it wrong all the way through.

Jesus said, you are the salt of the Earth, talking about believers being the cream of the crop so to speak
but there is another truth in what Jesus said

Our bodies are made up of sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesiun, iron etc
the same minerals that are in the soil.

Mat_5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth:....

Gen_2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,....

Remilekun101:
[size=14pt]*Strong's Definition*: Feminine of [[H5958]]; a _lass_ (as _veiled_ or private): - damsel, maid, virgin.
Virgin only means a YOUNG WOMAN, NOT A WOMAN THAT HAD NEVER HAD SEX.

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[size=16pt]This is true, ask any jewish man[/size]

A young woman being with child would not be a sign from God, as that is a normal thing
A virgin being with child would be a sign from God as that is miraculous.

God is Spirit, that does not mean that He doesn't have a Spirit body
For instance, the Spirit body of the Angel of the Lord who is representing Jesus Christ to John,
is described in Revelation 1 as having white hair and head, with eyes as a flame of fire, and His countenance was as the sun shineth in full strength.


God created man in His own image, so man resemble how God looks
more importantly we are made in God's character and holiness, although many of us start changing that early on

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

We were created righteous and holy like God is, but we fell away from that
and we can return to that being born again of the Spirit.

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

God created man in righteousness and true holiness, in His image.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel(God with us).

winner01:
Who was God talking to..... During God's great work of creation, many faith's record that God Almighty used the plural word "US".
In Genesis 1:26 God says "Let us
make man in our image, after our likeness.
What does God mean when he says "us"? Let us make
man in our image. Who is "us"?

Hi, I believe God was talking to the Word

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

This was in everlasting before there was an Earth or anything at all, other than God.

God and the Word, two persons, one Spirit-one God.
The Word, thousands of years after the creation, became the man Jesus Christ.

Lanre747:
13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you [KING AHAZ] a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

[i]In other words God himself will give King Ahaz a sign, since King Ahaz refused to ask for one.
The sign Is that the virgin will conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
This is where the CONFUSION BEGINS. This is where the New Testament writers falsely claims that this is a future prophecy of Jesus.
As we have just read from Verse 1 of this Chapter we now know that THIS WAS NOT A FUTURE PROPHECY OF JESUS. NOR DID THE SIGN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH A FUTURE PROPHECY OF JESUS. IT WAS A SIGN FOR KING AHAZ.

You inserted [KING AHAZ] into verse 14, which is wrong
verse 14 is speaking about the house of David, as previous verse 13 shows
the house of David, is David's descendants, the Jews.

JEHOVAH speaking:
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus Christ speaking:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord(kurios-God), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Michael and the other Angels are told to worship Jesus the Christ,
jw falsely say against scripture that the Angel Michael is Jesus Christ

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
God said the angels are to worship Jesus Christ
jw falsely say, going against the Fathe, that Jesus Christ is not to be worshipped


1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifested in the flesh, and John tells us,
the Word was God and became flesh, John 1
jw falsely say changing scripture that God did not come in the flesh, he is "a god"

stephenponti:
Mission Statement:- The Locust Army is a corporate company of Messiahs born to declare rapture and the Golden age of the church.

stephenponti:
Applying the name Locust Army to a mission captured With the vision of Seeing the return of the Lion of Judah is parallel to the very nature of the message of the mission in its ability to recruit mere individuals into an army with ensign of life and immortality that corporately works on the line of making the Messiah we await return. Maranatha!

no thanks

The final reality of being born again, is when Christians of Faith are changed in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump, from mortal to immortal

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co_15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.




Believers of faith are born of God when they come to believe on Christ

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Answer to the question, what is the diffrence between "soul" and "living soul"

there is no diffrence, "soul" and "living soul" in the Bible is the same thing
(a breathing creaturer)

a simpler question I couldn't think of for jw, I knew they couldn't even see it, Oh blinded ones.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jozzy4:
When A Soul is alive , its called a " Living Soul"

But When a soul is not alive ! , it became a " Dead Soul"

CANTICLES:
you are only trying to escape jozzy4's point .

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Soul = nephesh

Humans are " soul [nephesh] " Gen 2:7

Animals are "soul [nephesh]" Gen 1:24

Finally!

" and the fatal striker of the soul of a domestic animal should made compensation for it, soul for soul " Lev 24:18 .

Its staring at you in the eyes .

What point, he never made one

everyone has a dictionary and can know what soul is, you also think you have new revelation

finally what makes you think I would want to get into conversation with yet another of those
who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, and are the church of satan.

and who have no understanding of what has been said, because they have been blinded
and so answer posts accordingly (babel)

Jozzy4:
Mr Seun and Mr. OAM4J , pls how does this post contribute to all the questions ask @ op .

What are you doing about people like this whose aim is to derail threads and deliberately attack other peoples faith ? .

If posting Bible verses is attacking your faith, and it is
then it just shows that your faith is sectarian, which we already know

johnw74:
1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios-Supreme God), but by the Holy Ghost.

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie
cannot say Jesus is the Supreme God.
They cannot say it in John 1:1 either, changing their Bible to say Jesus is "a god".

They of course have not the Holy Spirit or the Son or the Father.

1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Scriptures show that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh,
those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie
cannot say like the Holy Scriptures that God has come in the flesh
Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, have the spirit of antichrist

1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie, don't believe the Bible and change what it says.