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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 4:36am On Sep 07, 2015

Jozzy4: Lol

Rev 3:9 King James Bible
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, Which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

From the above , Even Jesus followers are worshipped ! grin

Let them continue in delusion : John 4:23 said it all

JMAN05:
Frankly, I pity for these people having ones been among them. How I wish they ll just open there mind and see reasons.

Of course those who say they are Jehovah's Witnesses but do lie, don't believe the Bible verse posted.

Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

And no wonder those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses but do lie don't believe the verse, because the verse is about them, Jews were the believers of that day, some said they were Jews but were in fact the synagogue of satan
today the verse is talking about those who say they are Jehovah's Witnesses but do lie, they are the church of satan
and God will have them come and worship at the feet of Christians, perhaps just before being thrown into the Lake of Fire

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 1:27am On Sep 07, 2015

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses but do lie, do not know about many of the jw lies of the past,
their elders don't tell them about those things.

They are kept in the dark

Like mushrooms they are kept in the dark, and fed ~~shi~~-manure.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:57am On Sep 07, 2015

[size=14pt]Talk about being in the dark[/size]

Decades ago those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses but do lie, built a home for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old,

1925

"Millions Now Living Will Never Die"

After the failure of 1914 to result in Armageddon, Rutherford was able to re-ignite urgency into Watchtower followers by making the announcement in 1918 that "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!", which predicted the end would be 1925. This was published in the 1920 booklet "Millions Now Living Will Never Die", which can be downloaded as a 32Mb searchable pdf. It made the following extraordinary claims:

"The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth." Millions Now Living Will Never Die p.88

Continue: http://jehovah.net.au/changed-doctrine/1925

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:50am On Sep 07, 2015*

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Jesus Christ is the only ruler, Lord of Lord's
that sure makes Him God, doesn't it

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

The Holy Ghost purchased the church of God(believers) with His own blood

The Holy Ghost is God's Spirit, God is Spirit.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God created....the Spirit of God moved....the Word-Jesus Christ created

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:45am On Sep 07, 2015

JMAN05:
U should have left him in the dark cos he doesn't value the truth.

JMAN05:
Live that guy in the dark. He loves staying there.

Who is in the dark, who doesn't value the truth, but those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses,
those who change what bible scriptures say, which is of satan.

Those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses, but are Jehovah's Witnesses in name only, do not believe that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh
as Christians believe, and change scripture to have it in line with their false doctrine of the devil

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God(theos), and the Word was God(theos).

They leave the word "God" as God where it relates to the Father
and they change the word "God" to "a god" where it relates to the Word of God
the Greek word that God comes from in both instances is "theos"

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:34am On Sep 07, 2015

dolphinheart:
I mentioned the different ways or method that people use to defend their belief that jesus is God . Those methods contradict each but those people refuse to tell each other that their views and methods are wrong .
I've asked you if you believe that jesus is the same as the father as explained by some and accused you that you have not refuted/challenged their explanations.

Of the three methods I mentioned , you accused me that the first one was made up by me . Now that someone else has made use of the same method to explain his belief that jesus is god , will you redraw ur accusation to me as it is evident I did not make it up?

Will you also prove my accusation above wrong by telling doubledrex that he is wrong, or is he right to say jesus is a part of God ?

@bold, you are right, I don't refute/challenge everyone's explanations,
what was it I said you made up, use quotes, if I said you made it up then I'm sure you did.
and the rest is still so confused.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:28am On Sep 07, 2015

dolphinheart:
So the sect was successful enough to change the words of 1 Tim 3:16 in most bible translations, even in translations made by known trinitarians? Wow, what a very powerful sect !

I showed with other verses that the word "God" is the right word for 1Tim 3:16
but you of course again reject those scriptures.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:24am On Sep 07, 2015

dolphinheart:
You posted a wrong translation of 1 Tim 3:16.
In the older manuscripts , the word "God " is not found there .
And in the manuscript where the word exist, it was found out that that word was later added to that verse and was not there originaly.
Go find out the truth .

johnw74: I know you don't see the verses I posted showing that the word "God" belongs there:

You have been blinded

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:21am On Sep 07, 2015

RikoduoSennin:
The Statement: "and God died for our sins" is it TRUE or FALSE? Prove your answer will scriptures.

John 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences(sins), and was raised again for our justification.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 12:14am On Sep 07, 2015

Those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses, say God's first creations(referring to the Father) were two angels Michael and lucifer. However the Bible shows that the Word Jesus Christ created all that was created.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Nothing was made that was not made by the Word, that of course includes angels.

The Jehovah's Witnesses sect, are Jehovah's Witnesses by name only, not literally,
they distort His Truth.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 12:08am On Sep 07, 2015

JMAN05:
Oga don't respond to my comments until u decide to discuss.

johnw74: The lengths you go to, to try and discredit all the Bible verses that say Jesus Christ is to be worshiped.
It's evil for sure.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 12:05am On Sep 07, 2015

RikoduoSennin:
You defined "Worship" with different Characteristics eg bowing down, deep respect/honor etc

I asked a simple question, yet you result to insults, eh eh eh! See Wahala!

Do Yoruba youths 'worship' their Elders, Yes or No.

When you understand that KJV applied the word 'worship' wrongly at some places were obeisance should have been used eg Do you worship your creditor- Matthew 18:26..

Jesus is worshipped on his God's Command just as We are to be worshipped on God's command. That does not Make Us God does it?

johnw74: Bible verses show Jesus Christ is to be worshipped,
I know you don't believe the Bible

Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world,
Christians have no trouble at all worshipping Jesus Christ.

Of course satan and those who are his, oppose it at lengths.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 7:28am On Sep 06, 2015

Jehovah's Witnesses say Jesus Christ returned to Earth in 1914:

Jesus Christ (now Michael) returned to earth invisibly in 1914 (the date has been changed repeatedly) and is working through his "Organization" to re-establish Jehovah's kingdom over the earth.

Continue: http://www.chick.com/bc/1985/jehovahswitness.asp

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 7:01am On Sep 06, 2015

Jehovah's Witnesses -- What Do They Believe?

They offer a cunning mixture of Scripture verses and "almost" Christian doctrines. Their approach, like that of the Mormons, is to stress elements of their doctrine which avoid controversy. The rest comes later.

But they are an "organization" of slaves, working desperately to "earn" eternal life. They seek salvation, not by grace, but by becoming "Kingdom Publishers."

They don't have a personal relationship with Christ (who they say is not God), but rather they observe a system of law and works.

Continue: http://www.chick.com/bc/1985/jehovahswitness.asp

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 6:58am On Sep 06, 2015

Marriage between a man and a woman is made in Heaven-God ordained

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

He made Eve.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

homosexual marriage is made in hell

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

the similarity to those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses:

Rom 1:26 unbelievers having vile affections

jw are known for child sex abuse:

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=jehovah%27s+witnesses+and+child+abuse&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=YqHrVYmyFKW4mwW1lrnoBQ

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 6:52am On Sep 06, 2015

dolphinheart:
The sect did what?

Your sect changed Bible verses,
Your blindness is getting worse, go back and take a look

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 6:47am On Sep 06, 2015

dolphinheart:
I believe you are learned enough to dig into things and find out the truth. Ill encourage you one more time to find out why most translations removed the word "god" from their translations of 1 Tim 3: 16.

I know you don't see the verses I posted showing that the word "God" belongs there:

johnw74: 1Ti 3:16 ....God was manifest in the flesh....

God is the right word for 1Ti 3:16

Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh....

You have been blinded

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 2:25am On Sep 06, 2015

RikoduoSennin:
Is there any part of the above rendering of the word "worship" that is strange to persons who practise Yoruba culture in Nigeria? Are they worshipping their elders by their act of greeting/courtesy?

Bible verses show Jesus Christ is to be worshipped,
I know you don't believe the Bible

Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world,
Christians have no trouble at all worshipping Jesus Christ.

Of course satan and those who are his, oppose it at lengths.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 2:21am On Sep 06, 2015

RikoduoSennin:
I Thought the Bible says "Only God is to be Worshipped" Why is God (either Jesus, Holy Spirit or The Father) now making some persons worship some other persons in that scripture?

I already know that you don't believe the scriptures.

Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 2:16am On Sep 06, 2015

Jozzy4:
TRUE WORSHIPPERS, okay ( joh 4:23)

TRUE WORSHIPPERS worship the Son along with the Father,

Mat_2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Rev_14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Heb_1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

jw chooses what verses to believe and which ones to reject, that leaves jw not among the true worshippers.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 1:35am On Sep 06, 2015

dolphinheart:
@ johnw74 , can you now see that I did not create that part of jesus being part of God like the ocean example?
Will you now retract ur accusation?
Do you accept the explanation by doubledeex or not.

If you do not accept, can you prove my accusation wrong by telling him that he is wrong?

"My accusation , your accusation,"

are you posting under diffrent user names or are you just very confused.

post quotes so I may know what you are talking about.

I don't read all your posts, especially those long ones.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 1:06am On Sep 06, 2015

dolphinheart:
I do not change the scriptures , most translations do not have the word "God" in that verse. Go and find out why .

@bold, your sect did, same thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 1:04am On Sep 06, 2015

dolphinheart:
Bro, the word "God" (theos ) is not present in the older, more original manuscripts . That is why most mordern translations translated after these older manuscript where found removed that word "god " from 1 Tim 3:16. You have been using that verse consistently without finding out why majority of bible translations did not put "god" (theos ) in that verse.

Even in the manuscript where such word was found , it was discovered that it was a Later addition , as the ink that was used to convert that word to theos is different from the ink used to write that part of the manuscript . Pls do an investigation and come post ur findings .

1Ti 3:16 ....God was manifest in the flesh....

God is the right word for 1Ti 3:16

Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh....

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:56am On Sep 06, 2015

Jozzy4:
Stop this nonsense , two persons cannot be One God .

" but to us there is One God , The Father ( note that its 1 person)" - 1 cor 8:6

" but to us there is One God, The Father and Son ( two persons)" - johnw74

Who is correct ?

That means Jesus is not God Almighty ! He Died

Lol , same with jesus .

Jonas didnt die , that means Jesus didnt die too, WHO DIED FOR OUR SINS THEN Since Jesus didnt die ?

Lol , Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ , so jesus is not God again ?

Hmm Mary didnt give birth to God , nice . Keep confessing

Final question:

Mary gave birth to Jesus Or God ?

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed;....

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 5:58am On Sep 05, 2015

misreal:
hehehheeheh..abeg I didn't say the holyghost is lesser than the Father, Na you talk that one oh.. a wise man once said, when God gave us Jesus,he gave us everything but when he gave us the holyghost, he gave us himself.

@red, You might not have meant that, but you did imply that:

misreal: and even the holyghost should be worshiped

I like that saying @bold, that someone once said

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 4:56am On Sep 05, 2015

Jozzy4:
God the father is different from God the word , shey ? So thats how many Gods ? 2

they are two persons, one God,
you will never understand, that's why you keep asking the same questions

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed;....

So God died for three days? Matt 12:40

A lot of false prophets say God is dead, God cannot die

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus Christ flesh body died for three days and nights, and did not see decay
His Eternal Spirit of course did not die

as Jonas was three days in the whale's belly, so was Jesus Christ three days in the tomb,
as with jonas, the same with Jesus,

Did Jonas die?

If you truly belive that God was manifested in flesh ,

and I do, it is written

why are you denying Mary as the mother of God ?

Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, Mary didn't give birth to God who has always existed,
Jesus Christ received God's spirit at His first breath after birth.

You keep asking the same questions because you do not comprehend,
you have been blinded.

what do you call the woman through whom you come into the world ?

Duh, I call her Mom, like Jesus would have called Mary similar, seeing as she gave birth to Him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 2:32am On Sep 05, 2015*

Jozzy4:
Lol

Rev 3:9 King James Bible
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, Which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

From the above , Even Jesus followers are worshipped !

And the blinded think that because, God will have those who were of the syanogue of satan, come and worship at the feet of believers, that Jesus Christ is not to be worshipped. --sectarian thinking.

Let them continue in delusion : John 4:23 said it all

The delusional think because John 4:23 shows that the Father is to be worshipped,
rules out the scriptures that show Jesus Christ should be worshipped.

it's confusion, and it's evil, jw and other unbeliever, are going to lenghts to try and show against the scriptures, that Jesus Christ should not be worshipped.

You should adhere to the following, if possible:

Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

It's talking about you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 2:07am On Sep 05, 2015*

misreal:
I have been following this thread and believe me, you guys will never stop arguing.. only an experiential knowledge with the person of the holyghost can truly tell whether or not Jesus should be worshiped.. from the little experience I have with the holyghost, I can tell the world boldly that Jesus is lord, and should be worshiped. God the father should be worshiped and [size=14pt]even the holyghost[/size] should be worshiped. this is a mystery which you can never understand by studying the Greek and Hebrew rendering of the Bible....a word is enough for the wise.

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, is God, and God should be worshipped.

Just pointing out one thing, @bold, above:

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Saying "and even the Holy Ghost should be worshiped" is making Him less than the Father and the Son

You are generally right though, God is to be worshiped, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 1:40am On Sep 05, 2015

Jozzy4:
But to us there is one God , The Father - scripture

But to me there is one God, The Father and Son - Johnw74

Who is lying between both of you ?

Who is lying you ask?
you quoted something, whether I believe it or not, that I didn't say:

But to me there is one God, The Father and Son - Johnw74

of course it's you who are lying

johnw74: You don't understand how the Father and the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is needed,

it's you who say the Father and the Son is two God's

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord [size=14pt]our God[/size] is one Lord:

Deu 6:4 , hehehe Jesus said " OUR GOD" , lol he include himself . But you are too brain.washed to see that . Check the bold sized

Jesus has said that His Father is His God,
and we know from scriptures that the Word is God also.
when I say, "we know", I mean Christians know.

neither that verse, nor any verse, show that the Father and the Son are two god's
that's sectarian belief.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Worship Jesus Christ? by johnw74: 12:53am On Sep 05, 2015

JMAN05:
[KJV] 1 Chronicles 29:20 And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the Lord your God. And all the congregation blessed the Lord God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the Lord, and the king.

Start worshiping David.

Also read Daniel 2:46 where Nebuchadnezzar "worshiped" Daniel, KJV.

So start worshiping Daniel.

You want more?

The lengths you go to, to try and discredit all the Bible verses that say Jesus Christ is to be worshiped.
It's evil for sure.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:43am On Sep 05, 2015

Jozzy4:
Okkkk , God the word , the Gods you serve are so many that you have to distinguish the one you are talking about . God the word became flesh , while the other God , God the Father didnt became flesh .

Polytheist .

You don't believe the Bible verses showing that God the Word became Jesus Christ,
and that He is the image of the Father,
we know you don't believe the bible, yet you quote it.

Oh ! You are actually saying God died , remember that the word became FLEEEEESH ! And you said yes that flesh died .

oh boy, --Yes that flesh did die and was resurrected, you don't know any of the bible do you

Johnwconfusion ,wat do you mean by eternal spirit ? Holyspirit or the spirit/breath in Jesus NOSTRILS (Job 32:8 )

unbelievable, --God is Eternal, God is Spirit, truly His Eternal Spirit never dies, , it is really weird for you to say someone else has confusion

Gud!God was manifest in FLESH right ? Hmm u are claiming that God suck mary's bre.ast , God cam out through Mary's priv.ate part & Mary automatically become his mother ,or what do u call the woman thru whom u came to d world ?

You are not even in kindergarten, you know nothing at all, and are so, so, confused,
not believing scripture will do that.

Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God....

1Ti 3:16 ....God was manifest in the flesh....

Those scriptures are true, but not to you

someone actually gave you 1 Like for your confusion and lack of knowledge, that would have to be jw (dolphinheart)

Christianity Etc › Re: God Was WITH God by johnw74: 12:17am On Sep 05, 2015

dolphinheart:
You quoted a false translation of 1 Tim 3:16 . go quote a mordern translation .
Majority of the translations do not support ur quote .

The 1 timothy 3:16 KJV verse that I posted is translated accurately from the Greek:

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery(musterion-secret) of godliness: God(theos-God) was manifest(phaneroo-appear) in the flesh,(sarx-meat, body) justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Only sectarians and non believers call the KJV a false translation.

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