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Jozzy4:
Soul is soul . !!! I know you are seeing that for the first time . lol

Soul is soul, wow that's deep, your right, who has ever seen that before

Just like animals , humans are also called Living Soul .



" .. God went on to form the man out out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a Living Soul " - Gen 2:7

When A Soul is alive , its called a " Living Soul" Gen 2:7

But When a soul is not alive ! , it became a " Dead Soul" Numbers 6:6

ha ha more deep revelation

so you don't know the diffrence between a soul, and a living soul

Jozzy4:
Some animals are NATURALLY ( according to nature) irrational , thats how they are created ; why cant this kind of animals reason since they have ruach ? Ans pls .

I have told you that at least twice, you have been blinded through your unbelief
irrational animals like irrational humans are not that way all the time and can reason

oh boy, you complained to suen and OAM4J about derailing the OP
what has animals being irrational got to do with the OP
that makes you a hypocrite, right

NOTE : God did not create the nature of human beings irrational .

wow more deep revelation
and again not relevant to the OP

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios-Supreme God), but by the Holy Ghost.

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie
cannot say Jesus is the Supreme God.
They cannot say it in John 1:1 either, changing their Bible to say Jesus is "a god".

They of course have not the Holy Spirit or the Son or the Father.

1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Scriptures show that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh,
those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie
cannot say like the Holy Scriptures that God has come in the flesh
Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, have the spirit of antichrist

1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie, don't believe the Bible and change what it says.

Jozzy4:
Gen 1:24 Then God said "let the earth bring forth living SOULS according to their kinds , domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals of the earth according to their kinds" and it was so .



Gen 1:21 And God created the great sea creatures and all Living SOULS that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds .


Rev 16:3 The second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became blood like that of a dead man , and every living SOULS died, yes , the things in the sea .

Are you an authority on souls too
what is the difference between a soul and a living soul?

Jozzy4:
Hian!!! @ color , so you know some animals are naturally brute or naturally irrational ?
Goood , those animals that are naturally unreasonable , dont they have ruach - spirit ? Why cant they reason since they have ruach ?

some animals like some humans are naturally irrational, that's the way they are, you are like that
they can reason when not being irrational just like humans can
try to understand what is said if that's possible for you

Jozzy4 said spirit is just breath, but if that were so
we would have to be Holy in breath
and our breath would have to be preserved blameless
and we would have to glorify God in our breath

Jozzy4 said animals cannot reason, yet otters reasoned if they get a stone and break open shells then they could eat the yummies inside.
cattle reason if they jump the fence they can eat the green crop on the other side


Jozzy4 said a mad man cannot reason

Jozzy4 said the spirit that goes back to God is breath

Jozzy4 is wrong about most things, and he is happy to tell you about them.

Jozzy4:
Animals are NATURALLY ( by nature) brute , open your eyes nd read the underlined .

You haven't a clue, 2 peter is not saying animals are naturally brute, the verse is comparing some persons to naturally brute animals, not all animals are brute, irrational, unreasonable

So whats the meaning of brute : you said
"
Brute comes from the Greek "alogas" which means brute, irrational, unreasonable "

From your own statement above , we see that brute is same with IRRATIONAL and UNREASONABLE . And we told that animals are naturally that way ( 2pet 2:12) *cheers

No 2 peter doesn't say that, you have no understanding of scripture

Now what is irrational .

1. Without the faculty of reasoning ; deprived of reasoning .

2. Not endowned with the faculty of reasoning ; irrational animals .

Http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/irrational

Yes and when a person is not irrational, he can have reason
same for animals

Dont try to cover your ignorance that have already been exposed . Animals are created to act on instinct, brute by nature ( NATURAL) - 2pet 2:12 BUT Humans are not created to act on instinct .

That render your statement void .

You just say whatever comes into your head,
read this on animal reason
http://www.humesociety.org/hs/issues/v29n1/boyle/boyle-v29n1.pdf

Na jozzy write this bibles , shey ?

New International Version
But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like [size=25]unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, [/size] born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

New Living Translation
These false teachers are like [size=25]unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, [/size]born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed.

English Standard Version
But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction,

Berean Study Bible
These men are like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be captured and destroyed. They blaspheme in matters they do not understand, and like such creatures, they too will be destroyed.

Berean Literal Bible
But these, like irrational animals, having been born as creatures of instinct for capture and destruction, blaspheming in what they are ignorant of, in their destruction also will be destroyed,


New American Standard Bible
But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,

You can post all the wrong translations of that verse that you want to
"alogos" means unreasonable, your translation is wrong
also "creatures of instinct", is not in the Greek text that we get our English translated from
the translations that you quoted have added that.

2Pe 2:12 But(de) these,(houtos houtoi haute hautai) as(hos) natural(phusikos) brute(alogos) beasts,(zoon) made(gennano) to be taken(eis) (halosis) and(kai) destroyed,(phthora) speak evil(blasphemeo) of(en) the things that(hos he ho) they understand not;(agnoeo) and shall utterly perish(kataphtheiro) in(en) their own(hautou) corruption;(phthora)

Jozzy4:
@bold , Animals dont reason - "unreasoning animals " 2 Peter 2:12 .

Oh boy, unbelievable, 2 Peter 2:12 is talking about persons, being like natural brute beasts
these persons are described as being like brute beasts

brute comes from the Greek "alogas" which means brute, irrational, unreasonable
these persons being unreasonable does not mean they cannot reason
just as brute animals being unreasonable does not mean animals cannot reason
you changed "unreasonable" to "unreasoning"
changing, twisting is the jw way

2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

1Co_7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

that she may be holy both in body and in spirit, means to be holy in both body and mind.
jw Jozzy4 would say, to be holy in both body and breath.

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless means, I pray God your whole mind and soul and body be preserved blameless.
jw Jozzy4 would say, I pray God your whole breath and soul and body be preserved blameless.


1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit means, therefor glorify God in your body and your mind.
jw Jozzy4 would say it means, therefor glorify God in your body and your breath.

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Spirit is not just air or breath
spirit is mind
God's Spirit is God's mind
the spirit in man is the human mind
the Holy Spirit in Christians of faith, is the mind of God in us.


Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Eph_4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Psa_51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Jozzy4:
The spirit that return to God is ruach , your breath . not you . As for you " you re dust and to dust YOU shall return" - Gen 3:19

You implied that a man's spirit doesn't go back to God when he dies
now you say it does

you have to twist, and change, and lie, and deceive, to cover up past lies of twisting ,changing, lying and deception.
Remind you of anyone.

Christians know the Truth-Jesus Christ

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Jozzy4:
Hmm all spiritS either good or wicked go back to God , wow that means everyone will go to God in Heaven . I thought sinners wont see God , but I can now see that they will since their spirit also return to God !

They are questions that Will make you use ur brain.

If ruach can think and reason , why cant a mad man reason since he had ruach ?

If ruach can think nd reason , why dont animals reason since they have ruach too ? Ecc 3:19

Based on the above , its clear that ruach doesnt do the thinking but like an eletricity activating the transformer of a radio , it activates our highly intelligent brain which do the reasoning and thinking .

Of course a mad man can reason, probably differently to a sane man.
Of course animals can reason, they will walk away from a trap if it seems suspicious.
You though are not reasoning well,
You think God who is a Spirit(ruach) cannot feel or think.



you go on and on about things you know very little at all about
You think spirit-ruach just means breath

Jozzy4:
Hmm all spiritS either good or wicked go back to God , wow that means everyone will go to God in Heaven . I thought sinners wont see God , but I can now see that they will since their spirit also return to God !

You appear to know nothing at all
and of course you don't believe the Bible.

Ecc_12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


As for the rest of your posts,
so much twisting and confusion, as in this your post quoted.

Messiah

H4899

מָשִׁיחַ
mâshı̂yach
maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.
Total KJV occurrences: 39


Christ

G5547

Χριστός
Christos
khris-tos'
From G5548; anointed, that is, the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: - Christ.
Total KJV occurrences: 569


set up

H5258

נָסַךְ
nâsak
naw-sak'
A primitive root; to pour out, especially a libation, or to cast (metal); by analogy to anoint a king: - cover, melt, offer, (cause to) pour (out), set (up).
Total KJV occurrences: 25



Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up(anointed King) from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

verse 22 could not be "the Lord created me before His works of old" for that would be a work of old
also His works of old would include creating Angels of which Michael is one.
God posessed the Word before creating the Angels, in fact God created the angels through the Word,
the Word created all things that are created, John 1:3.
verse 23 the Word was anointed King-Messiah-Christ from everlasting
God the Word became the Messiah, the Christ.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God(theos), and the Word was God(theos).

The Word Jesus Christ is God

jw's jesus, who is an angel-a god,
is a false God.


Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God is a Spirit,
so common sense alone tells us that
God's Spirit in us, is God in us.

jw's impersonal active force is a false God

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2Jn_1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

jw deny the Holy Spirit, jw deny Jesus Christ, and so jw have not the Father also
their calling on the name Jehovah is in vain
satan is their god.

MzNelly:

Not you, I have put that line above your quote to be clearer.

Jozzy4:
Thats the spirit that she is talking about . The one in our Nostrils , it activates life in us but the breath itself cannot think or do anything , rather it activates OUR BRAIN which do the thinkings .





John 4:24 is talking about the Nature of God . He is a spirit being ! But you are so confused to the extent that you compare God with the breath in our nose .


I belive your confusion 101 has been cleared since you can now differentiate the breath in the nose of man and animals from spirit in the context of Heavenly Beings .

You go on and on and on with lies when the issue was made clear long back
MzNelly wasn't talking about the air we breathe
the thread is about "soul" and she bought "spirit" into it
MzNelly was talking about the spirit in man that is from God
and that goes back to God

Stop your lies, and twisting things around.

MzNelly:
only spirits can inherit heaven.

dolphinheart:
I apologise , to paulgrundy, youguyz, muttleylaff and everyone else. I'm totally sorry for that post. It was unnessssary. I admit , I stooped low .

Bull, you are happy you did, you have been demonizing him often of this forum with other jw's joining in
you and other jw's love it
look how Jessicha jumped in

Jessicha: Gud deepthought questions that they cant answer ! Meanwhile, do you mean the underlined? shocked

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, are self righteous pharacee hypocrites.

Jozzy4:
BIG Lie , Am a regular subsriber of the watchtower and Awake magazine , its bible based and it encourage independent thinking. Dont be suprised that many pastors read them too .

No, it is not a BIG Lie that those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, are antichrists
For just one thing, they change in the Bible where it is said: "the Word (Jesus Christ) is God"
to: "the Word (Jesus Christ) is "a god"
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God(theos), and the Word was God(theos).


1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2Jn_1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

John said the Word is God
antichrist jw deny the Son, and hath not the Father also.

Jozzy4:
You see your life , simple question you cant answer , WHAT IS THE SPIRIT IN OUR NOSTRILS ? Job 27:3

Stop with your lies I showed that more than once, and stop changing the subject.

again: spirit in Job 27:3 and elsewhere is "ruach" it means "breath-spirit of a rational being"

Now stop lying and changing and twisting the issue, but that's what jw does, twist issues, and twist scriptures.
the issue is:

The battery, like the spirit has no feeling and cannot think.

I have shown with scripture that the spirit(ruach) does indeed think,
which you ignore and post back babel-confusion.

Jozzy4:
Lol , hatred kills , . So the spirit in man talked about at job 32:8 is holyspirit ? *Smiles*

Bro pls explain : the verse said : 'There is a spirit in man ' which means every man has it , bro so are you telling us that holyspirit is in every man ? . That shows you err .

Let this scripture enlighten you further .

" as long as my breath is within me , And the spirit from God is in my nostrils " - Job 27:3 note : in my NOTSRILS

Jozzy4:
I pray God in his infinite mercy , forgive you .

Truth has no need for forgiveness, it's true that those who belong to the sect that call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses are antichrists, you have been blinded, but Christians can see it.

quote:
Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?
https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

Just read through that one site and see all the false doctrines of those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses, but are not, and do lie, and see all the instances of where they change the Bible to suit their false doctrines, and then if you were not blinded you would see as Christians know, that those who belong to the sect that calls themselves Jehovah's Witnesses are antichrists indeed.

MizJanet:

[s]Silly churchman , we all see how you keep biting your fingers and struggling hard to cover your shame .

I cant stop laughing when you said the statement ofthe bible jesus if taking literal is inaccurate . Really ? Am happy this is coming from a so - called christian .

A male introduce sper.m into the female and a zygote is formed , it kept on growin until it is finally given birth to as a little baby, the little baby bcome old and died , then buried . My question is:when exactly did the idle soul man enter d baby?[/s]

antichrist supporting jw fellow antichrists

paulGrundy:
Michael the Archangel

Michael the Archangel is described in Daniel 10:13 as "Mi´cha·el, one of the foremost princes" and at Revelation 12:7 it says " Mi´cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled." In the fifty years between 1880 and 1930 there were five changes as to who Michael was.

1. An Angel that worships Jesus

"Hence it is said, "Let all the angels of God worship him;" [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God] and the reason is, because He(the Son of God) has "by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they."" Zion's Watch Tower 1879 Nov p.4

@blue, added for clarity

They actually had that part right in 1879
and look at all the diffrent false beliefs since

2. The Pope and Antichrist

"Michael and his angels"--the papacy and its supporters--fought against the dragon--pagan rulers, etc.,-- and the great dragon was cast out of heaven. Zion's Watch Tower 1879 December p.6

3. Michael was the pre-human Jesus Christ

"Can it be that he who was called Michael--Jehovah's chief-messenger--was none other than our Lord in his pre-human condition? we conclude that HE must have been "chief messenger." " Zion's Watch Tower 1883 June p.3

4. The Pope again

"Michael.--- "Who as God," the Pope." The Finished Mystery 1917 p.188

5. Jesus in heaven

Since the 1930's Michael is explained to be the heavenly name for Jesus.

"For many years Jehovah's Witnesses have taught that Michael is a heavenly name for the only-begotten Son of God, who was named Jesus while on earth." Watchtower 1984 December 15 p.26

The Governing Body of the Watchtower Society demonstrate that they have no idea as to how to interpret Revelation.

SOURCE: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/revelation-daniel-prophetic-interpretation.php

satan has a very strong grip on jw's, for them to ignore all the false prophecies, changing of scriptures etc.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Those are just a few more scriptures jw doesn't believe.

How can anyone get this:

Jozzy4:
Lol , hatred kills , . So the spirit in man talked about at job 32:8 is holyspirit ? *Smiles*

Bro pls explain : the verse said : 'There is a spirit in man ' which means every man has it , bro so are you telling us that holyspirit is in every man ? . That shows you err .

Let this scripture enlighten you further .

" as long as my breath is within me , And the spirit from God is in my nostrils " - Job 27:3 note : in my NOTSRILS

From this:

johnw74:
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

dolphinheart:
You can see through his shifting , he can't hold on to his words. He is a far from the truth as his real child is as far from the one displayed by his moniker.

Like a house made of cards , so is their beliefs, remove one lie, the rest come tumbling down!

Blessed are the apostates of the sect that call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not, and do lie

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Jozzy4:
You actually misunderstand her , the spirit that she is talking about is that spirit in our NOSTRILS , both man and animals , the breath of life ( Ecc 3:19-21 ; Gen 7:21,22 )

I understand her, the spirit is given from God, it is called "ruach" in Hebrew, and it means breath-spirit of a rational being
Now a rational being can think, one needs to be able to think to be able to reason.

jozzy4: Learn to read and understand , " it is the spirit in people , the BREATH of the Almighty" that she is talking about ( Job 32 :8 )

jozzy4: ]Lol , hatred kills , . So the spirit in man talked about at job 32:8 is holyspirit ? *Smiles*

Bro pls explain : the verse said : 'There is a spirit in man ' which means every man has it , bro so are you telling us that holyspirit is in every man ? . That shows you err .

Let this scripture enlighten you further .

" as long as my breath is within me , And the spirit from God is in my nostrils " - Job 27:3 note : in my NOTSRILS

That babel and confusion shows your lack of knowledge and understanding.

The spirit in man is from God and it goes back to God when the man dies.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

And of course the inspiration of the Almighty given to man is from the Holy Spirit. But I know you cannot fathom it.

Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man : and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

johnw74:
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jozzy4:
Learn to read and understand , " it is the spirit in people , the BREATH of the Almighty" that she is talking about ( Job 32 :8 )

Talk about not having understanding,
God is Spirit,
God's Spirit in us, is God in us.

Jozzy4:
Learn to read and understand , " it is the spirit in people , the BREATH of the Almighty" that she is talking about ( Job 32 :8 )

Yes I know, it is the Spirit of God in people that she says cannot feel or think,
and you agree with her,
of course I'm not surprised at that.

The Spirit of God inspires us to understanding, but according to you it cannot feel or think,

Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Your non personal active force holy spirit, is a false holy spirit,
just like your jesus is a false jesus, who is not God but who is "a god" "a angel"

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios), but by the Holy Ghost.

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, cannot call Jesus God, because it takes the Holy Spirit in a person, to know Jesus is God and to call Him that.
And of course those who call themselves Jehovah's witnesses, and are not, but do lie, do not have the Holy Spirit, they do not know the Holy Spirit is God and think He is an impersonal force.

paulGrundy:
Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Jessicha:
Devil , A SPIRIT CREATURE will be harmed by a literal fire ? Sorry , you are mistaken because you dont get the symbolism in that verse . " He makes his angels SPIRITS, his ministers a CONSUMING FIRE" psalm 104: 4 , satan himself is a consuming fire , so fire will be cast into fire right ? You are grossly mistaken .

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Some believe the Bible, others don't and change what it say's.

The battery, like the spirit has no feeling and cannot think.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jessicha:
You said I dont believe the bible whereas I do , you are a fake christian .

U dont know ?

You don't believe the Bible
you couldn't be told anything

johnw74: Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:....

Jessicha: Haha ! Can you tell what it means that man is in the image of God ?

Jessicha:
Haha ! Can you tell what it means that man is in the image of God ?

You don't believe the Bible
you couldn't be told anything

johnw74: Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:....

Zoharariel:
Bulls.hit! Una don start again.

^^^
The intelligence of a split pea