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BERNIMOORE:
so satan is an angle, angle 90' 180' or 360'? see what fight is doing to your concentration, while it will be on record that i have never insulted you. neither was i part of the jw people you have issues with.

you dont care what i think but you want me to care about what you think!

you still dont get it, i dont need to beg you with what i believe, i only responded because you 'came on my thread' only to realise that you had already concluded in your mind to fight whoever tried to ask of proof that satan was an angel.

john74 you are NOT fair to me at all, are you saying that i dont have the right to my own opinion? when you have your own right?

its very funny anyway.

johnw74:
Thread Title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? [size=14pt]Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel[/size]




Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".


Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

truthislight:
Well, its like you agree that Jesus is also called morning Star like the other sons of God. Since you agree by your silence and silence is consent, I may not have to show it to you again unless otherwise stated.

Peace.

johnw74:
You were shown that Father God never called an angel "my Son'


you reject the scriptures
you stick with your lie
and you think God doesn't see

truthislight:
Lol.

This teaching exercise is taking longer than I had imagined.

Next, I will show you that Jesus is also called "Morning star" Just like the other Angels.

Yes, that is what the Bible says, even though your belief will give you more heart ache, that is not my fault.

Your silly excusses above after lying against Yahweh is very very appalling, since I already know you are a good liar, I won't bother myself to complaining much, but rather, poor the truth on your head until.......... Yes, that is what that will be done.

Take note, Jesus is also a morning Star. all sons of Yahweh are called Morning stars.

They all go on errands for Yahweh, hence they are also called messengers = Angel. Yes, by default, all messengers are Angel, and are morning Stars.

Peace.

johnw74:
I know you don't believe the bible and you keep showing that to be true over and over again


The sentence you went satanic over
vvv
Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

and again you don't believe that verse you don't believe the Bible

Angels are called sons of God because God the Word created the Angels
Father God has never called an angel "my Son" as the verse above which is true tells

other verses show also that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God,
father God calls Jesus "my Son" but never did to an Angel ,as the verse above shows, which you don't believe

[size=14pt]yours @red, the jw tongue is evil indeed.[/size]

truthislight:
[size=14pt]Though you came here to lie against Yahweh.[/size]

BERNIMOORE:
Then you are on the wrong thread! you knew satan was an Angel but was too shy to prove it here so that others can gain, maybe you have just realised that your proof is very weak.

Again The TOPIC...Re: (A)Was Satan By Default An Angel? (B)Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

your reply Fail to address (A)in the very Topic, because you have no proof at all yet you want me to swallow your juxtapose that does not mention lucifer as satan wholesale, can you see your mistake? and instead of you to adress that you are diverting insults meant for jw to the wrong person(myself) maybe to evade the answer that you can present

Again your post contain no mention of 1, lucifer as satan 2,or satan as angel and funny enough its not even your work, you copied and paste another person's defective work as mutleylaff exposed. you are yet to prove anything

i am still waiting for you to adress the (a) part of the topic.

JMAN05:
You dont discuss with witnesses, yet you reply there comments and follow their thread wherever it is found, even discussing with them. Even before I see a thread/comments by JW's here, you are already there commenting. That is pharisaic 'trupocrites', shey?

Just so that you can escape being proved wrong, when questioned, you divert to your default reply, 'i dont discuss with JW', you follow there thread, quote and comment on there comment etc. just a tartuffe.

BERNIMOORE:
i think you should let please let me be responsible for my statement and if you can allow me to respond directly at john74 and stop insulting each other for now, i dont really have the time but will treat the issue well.

truthislight:
. . ^^^^^^^

This is a case. Lol. SMH. I no fit laugh. Does he really understood the Msg that @Bernimoore was passing? I doubt. SMH.

truthislight:
The funny aspect is that your knowledge of the Bible is highly limited, meanwhile, see the noise you are making.

At this rate of making spurious statements, you risk compromising your reputation.

Anyway, I had already told you what to do: see a doctor.

See you blundering out of ignorance below on red:



The above is a misrepresentation of Yahweh and a lie, it is also an error against the Bible.

Such shows why every Tom Dick and Harry should not open a church and teach people out of ignorance.

The Bible says that, if a blind man leads a blind man, that the two will fall into a pit.

See below and learn:

Job 38:4-7

Where were you when I founded the earth?
Tell me, if you think you understand.
 5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
 6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
..................................................

^^

There you have it.

in the Bible, Angels are called morning stars, hence, the plural- Stars and plural- Sons of God.

They all "Cried out together".

And they all "shouted in applause ", after the creation of planet earth.
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So, it is obvious that Yahweh calls Angels "SONS". [size=14pt]Though you came here to lie against Yahweh[/size].

you can also read Genesis 6:4:

The Nephʹi·lim were on the earth in those days and afterward. During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame.
.........................................................

So, again I say, STOP LYING!

For the blind following a blind man, I say, SORRY!

People should go and study the Bible and stop following self appointed "men of God ".

If you have reservations on what I have posted up there^, ask questions, let the Bible clear all your doubts.

later, I will show you that Jesus is also one of the " Morning stars"

Peace.

BERNIMOORE:
TOPIC...Re: (A)Was Satan By Default An Angel? (B)Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

your reply Fail to address (A)in the very Topic, that is; lets see the scriptures you quoted in your juxtapose,

a, Ezekiel 28:13, 15
b, Ezekiel 28:14
c, Ephesians 3:9
d, Psalms 99:1
e, Isaiah 14:13, 14.
f, John 8:44

g, Revelation 12:3,4
h Revelation 12:7-9

a-f .....did not mention that Lucifer was Satan while;
'g' and 'H' ...did not Mention lucifer at all among names that satan was called in 'h' neither was satan called an angel in the passage
so your proof lacks the substance that is.... to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is/was an angel

BERNIMOORE:
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BERNIMOORE:
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who told you that i am a jehovahs witness? if i may ask you, i dont go to any church i practice my faith alone. i am not one of jehovahs witness and i think that you should have ask me earlier. i know nothing about watchtower and so spare me that attack.

i am still in surprise that despite the fact that this i have not engaged you in any serious discussion you are directing wrong accusation on me without confirming who i am. i give you the benefit of doubt and expect your apology for your action anyway.

you even call me a devil when i have not even offended you i think you need to watch it,



friend, i think you have wronged me and its just very funny. Mutleylaff left this thread satisfied with my explanations, he was never a jw neither was i, but he believed that jesus was an arch angel who run errands for God. you dont need to agree with me or allign me with watchtower for God sake.
i repeat i am not a jw and if you continue your attack on my thread[b] i will be out of here, and willbe back later[/b].

johnw74:
Thread Title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? [size=14pt]Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel[/size]




Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".


Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

BERNIMOORE: 2, That the Topic the OP is all about is to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is an angel WITHOUT 'juxtaposing scriptural verses but rather a single verse that says that ''satan is/was an Angel

BERNIMOORE:
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truthislight: you can run along now

Keep deceiving your self

you cajole and compel people to belief a lie

You really need to free yourself

in your confused state

you really need to cool down

you don't learn very fast

your not learning easily

relaxed, chill

Your lack of proper comprehension

I laugh in Chinese language

This man you can lie o

Lol. you can lie o.

Mr man, stop lying

Please, stop lying

Continue in your ignorance, it is bliss

lawless person that you are

I don't wish to join you in your lawlessness

you failed on that

your frustration is understandable

Keep believing that the undeserved kindness/grace of God is an excuse for loose conduct.

Guy, go see a doctor, you need one

johnw74: being a messenger doesn't necessarily make one an angel

truthislight: SMH. you really need to cool down

truthislight:
This man you can lie o.

Lol. you can lie o.






Mr man, stop lying,


Lol
you spew anything that enters your head

Please, stop lying.

SMH.

Peace.

truthislight:
Guy, go see a doctor, you need one.

Peace.

johnw74: when jw cannot understand he cries
lies lies lies lies lies

the satanic accusing spirit in you








however I must say that lying comes naturally to jw

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you make it very clear who is your father

BERNIMOORE: accord respect to our individual beliefs

BERNIMOORE: 2, That the Topic the OP is all about is to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is an angel WITHOUT 'juxtaposing scriptural verses but rather a single verse that says that ''satan is/was an Angel

your reply Fail to address that;

truthislight:
Well, I did show to you your lies.

That it annoyed you is not my fault.

truthislight:

Angel = Messenger, Messenger= Angel.

Someone insist still that a messenger is not an Angel

Hehehehe. lol.

I laugh in Chinese language.

Messenger is not An Angel.

truthislight: This man you can lie o.

Lol. you can lie o.




Mr man, stop lying




you spew anything that enters your head

Please, stop lying.



Peace.

JMAN05:
You dont discuss with witnesses, yet you reply there comments and follow their thread wherever it is found, even discussing with them. Even before I see a thread/comments by JW's here, you are already there commenting. That is pharisaic 'trupocrites', shey?

Just so that you can escape being proved wrong, when questioned, you divert to your default reply, 'i dont discuss with JW', you follow there thread, quote and comment on there comment etc. just a tartuffe.

truthislight:


Angel = Messenger, Messenger= Angel.

Someone insist still that a messenger is not an Angel

Hehehehe. lol.

I laugh in Chinese language.

Messenger is not An Angel.

truthislight:
This man you can lie o.

Lol. you can lie o.




Mr man, stop lying




you spew anything that enters your head

Please, stop lying.



Peace.

truthislight:
You remind me of the illustration of a mad man that made away with the clothing of an unclad man bathing in the stream, on running after the mad man naked, people shouted: see two mad men!
Joining you at this rate may lead to such conclusion.

Well, apostle Paul must have been silly and foolish for engaging in three (3) missionary journey, forgetting he was saved by grace. I wander why Jesus sent his disciples to preach, forgetting that they were saved by grace.

Jesus must have had a memory laps for telling his disciples to go make disciples in all the nations. Continue in your ignorance, it is bliss.

Anyway, Not all can sustain what Apostle Paul and Jesus apostles did for a life time. It is not by might.

Again.
If you find a thread for the topic you are posting, you will not stand to defend all you are posting here, but see you here derailing this thread as a lawless person that you are.

I don't wish to join you in your lawlessness. Thread's go by their topic, and this thread is not for anything other than your likes showing where Satan is called an Angel.

Since you failed on that, your frustration is understandable.

Keep believing that the undeserved kindness/grace of God is an excuse for loose conduct.

johnw74:
[size=14pt]Jesus Christ is-was not an Angel[/size]
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, [size=14pt]O God[/size], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

truthislight:
This man [size=14pt]you can lie o[/size]. that 1Cor10:4 was taking about what the sons of Israel in the wilderness drank, when Moses struck the ruck and water came out for them to drink, that Jesus was that rock.

You are here saying it was not in the wilderness, but when a Roman soldiers struck Jesus with a spare that was when the water came out. Lol. [size=14pt]you can lie o[/size].

Let me ask you, who and who drank from the water that came out from Jesus body when the Roman Soldier struck him and water came out ?




[size=14pt]Mr man, stop lying[/size], see the full passage of that 1Cor 10:1-5 below:

10 Now I want you to know, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea 2 and all got baptized into Moses by means of the cloud and of the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink For they used to drink from the spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was the Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them, for they were struck down in the wilderness.
..................................................

Na Wao, Your church members dong see nonsense plenty, how did that water that the Israelites drank come to be the water that the Roman Soldier pierced from Jesus ?

How did the water from Jesus rib test on the mouth of the Israelites on the wildernes? Lol

This your cut and nail doctrine that you spew anything that enters your head is unsafe o.

[size=14pt]Please, stop lying[/size].

Anyone that wakes up will open Church and teach whatever they want. SMH.

Peace.

Jessicha:
Sir , ... He also followed them from the back .

" Then the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Isreal departed and went to their rear" Ex 14:19 , he clearly followed them .

johnw74:
[size=14pt]Jesus Christ is-was not an Angel[/size]
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, [size=14pt]O God[/size], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

truthislight:
You have been directed to a thread where your worries was addressed, but since you don't learn very fast, you are still here posting those.

Since the thread is there, go read it up, one cannot be repeating himself every now and then because of your not learning easily.

This is not a matter of desperation, relaxed, chill. the Bible calls Jesus a messenger.

Your lack of proper comprehension or misunderstanding/misapplication of those Scriptures does not change what the Bible says.

truthislight:
But Malachi even Called Jesus Angel nah!

It calls him the Messenger of the covenant/Angel of the covenant, depending on the translation you use.

Sorry, the issue here is not me or the Bible, but rather, your long cherished tradition that is the problem.

anyway,

Peace.

truthislight:
What was this all about if not a struggling to find a means of denying that Jesus continued with the work of a messenger even while back to heaven?

Why was Rev. 1:1 quoted by me if not to show that Jesus continued doing errands even when he was elevated and back in heaven?

What is the reason for the below struggling if not to refute what is written in Rev.1:1?

You really need to free yourself.

I have simply allowed the Bible to speak here, but you, yes you, not wanting to hear that Jesus is a messenger of Yahweh have been undergoing serious heart ache.

You even forgot that the word Angel mean messenger and the word messenger means Angel.

With turmoil, you have come round to say that Jesus is a messenger, but in your confused state, said Jesus is not an Angel. Lol.

How can that ^ be? seeing that the Word Messenger=Angel and Angel = messenger?

SMH. you really need to cool down and think properly be for you make statement henceforth.

johnw74:
Talk about dishonest heart, jw doesn't believe the bible and change what is says

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

God gave Jesus Christ a revelation, and Jesus Christ sent it by His Angel



Jesus Angel was talking to John:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,

Jesus is the Son of man
Jesus Angel is not the Son of man,
Jesus Angel is one like unto the Son of man.