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Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by johnw74: 11:34pm On Nov 06, 2015

[size=14pt]Does the Watchtower say the Bible teaches the Trinity?[/size]

by Matt Slick

The Watchtower organization claims to be the Faithful and Discreet Slave spoken of in Matthew 24:45.

"We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the 'faithful and discreet slave' organization," (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981). (See the quote in context).
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the 'greatly diversified wisdom of God' can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave," (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. eight).

This Watchtower organization, the faithful and discreet slave, claims to be the means by which God communicates His truth to us in this world. Therefore, by deduction what the Watchtower says is truth. Alright, let's take a look at one quote from the Watchtower.

"From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah's people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude . . . They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such 'Bible reading,' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago . . . ," (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1981, p. 29). (See the quote in context).

The Watchtower says that the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the physical resurrection of Christ are all false doctrines. Yet, the Watchtower says that if you read the Bible by itself, you will end up believing these doctrines. In other words, if you read the Bible by itself, then you will become a Trinitarian--believe that Jesus is God and believe that Jesus rose from the dead physically. Why is that? Could it be because the Bible teaches these things? So I ask the Jehovah's Witnesses, what is it in the Bible that would lead someone to this conclusion? Again, what is in the Bible that reading it by itself would lead you to believe in the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and His physical resurrection?

This quote from the Watchtower is proof that it is teaching contrary to the natural reading of the Bible and that it is controlling the beliefs of those who follow it.

https://carm.org/does-watchtower-say-bible-teaches-trinity

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Teach About The Trinity? by johnw74: 11:33pm On Nov 06, 2015

The Watchtower says that the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the physical resurrection of Christ are all false doctrines. Yet, the Watchtower says that if you read the Bible by itself, you will end up believing these doctrines. In other words, if you read the Bible by itself, then you will become a Trinitarian--believe that Jesus is God and believe that Jesus rose from the dead physically. Why is that? Could it be because the Bible teaches these things? So I ask the Jehovah's Witnesses, what is it in the Bible that would lead someone to this conclusion? Again, what is in the Bible that reading it by itself would lead you to believe in the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and His physical resurrection?

This quote from the Watchtower is proof that it is teaching contrary to the natural reading of the Bible and that it is controlling the beliefs of those who follow it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:48am On Nov 06, 2015*

dolphinheart:
The translations of 1 Tim 3:16 and john 5:7 that you quoted have been found to be false, and that falsehood had been perpetuated by your trinity forefathers in their attempt to make the scriptures support their false doctrine. Thank god most mordern translations re correcting it. But you refuse to accept correction.

And I answered him on why I had not responded to the verses you quoted on these thread.

Wrong understanding, if you had asked for further explanation, I would have told you that my response was based on why I had not responded to the verses you quoted on these thread. The "why" in anas question.

Anas : why didn't anyone answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beggining of these thread?

Dolphinheart to anas: I did not answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beginning these thread because I had asked him questions about those verses and he did not respond.
Any sincere human would have understood the logic in me and anas discussion.

Never said I asked you questions on this thread, and I was answering anas on why I had not asked you questions on these thread.
Note: anas did not ask about me asking you questions on the verses you quoted(I did not even try to check the verses again) , anas wanted to know why I had not responded, and I told him that I had not responded to your verses cus I had asked questions on the verses you quoted.
If you where this confused about our conversation, you should have asked for clarification! . That's what sincere people do!.

Oh what a tangled web you weave

However it's very clear

dolphin, Anas talked about verses i posted in this thread:

Anas09:
@Muttleylaff.

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why?

and you dolphin replied about those scriptures i posted:

dolphinheart:
I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested.

Anas09 spoke off this thread, saying why didn't anyone answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beginning of this thread, and you replied: "I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer"
when I said you didn't and you should post the quotes to prove it, you then came up with, you were talking about a post of 4 months ago

a lie is needed to cover up a lie, then another and another, that's how liars became entrenched in lies

like i have said to you many times, when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally
and you glory in lying, doing it time and time again

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:24pm On Nov 05, 2015

dolphinheart:
@ Johnw74

I did not lie, I did ask you questions based on the verses you quoted. And I showed proof. If things dnt go the way you view them does not mean the other person is lying. I never said I questioned you on these thread cus I never . I said I had asked you questions on the scripture you quoted, and showed you that I had indeed asked you questions on the verses you quoted.
That trap that you are thinking of is the one that's holding you from seing that you have been quoting some false scripture all along.

All scripture I quote is copied and pasted from the bible,
but your false accusation is in line with your lyiing tongue.
You cannot get out of your lies by telling more lies.

dolphin, Anas talked about verses i posted in this thread:

Anas09:
@Muttleylaff.

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why?

and you dolphin replied about those scriptures i posted:

dolphinheart:
I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:19am On Nov 04, 2015*

dolphinheart:
And I'm talking about verses you quoted on other threads in which I had asked you questions about.

My reply says I've asked you questions on the verses you quoted, I never said it was on these thread, the location of the thread does not change the fact that you quoted verses and I asked you questions on it.

those months have gone by and you have still not answered the questions.

Everyone already knows ur usual runaway lines. I've brought the questions to this thread, you are yet to answer it .

The devil too can quote scripture and make himself look good. But by their fruits you shall know them. Tell us ur church and we will see if you have good fruitage.

You are trapped in your lies

dolphin, Anas talked about verses i posted in this thread:

Anas09:
@Muttleylaff.

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why?

and you dolphin replied:

dolphinheart:
I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:55pm On Nov 03, 2015*

MuttleyLaff:
No, not about God being an angel
but God being an Angel

bull and confusion to the end

don't slam that door again

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:11am On Nov 03, 2015

full of bull to the last

and you cannot admit your contradictions

first you want to discuss: God being an angel
then you say: Angels are created beings who never create anything

duh, that means that God is not an Angel
but you can't see it

MuttleyLaff:
Am out

yeah get out of here, and don't slam the door behind you

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 2:33am On Nov 02, 2015*

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

absolutely everything was created By God the Word-Jesus Christ
absolutely everything, of course includes Michael and lucifer and all the Angels

God is the creator, not an angel, and not one of the chief Angels, but God is the creator, that's what the bible says

Joh 1:3 All things were made [size=14pt]by him[/size];(Jesus Christ) and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:16 For [size=14pt]by him[/size](Jesus Christ) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth ....
Gen 1:1 In the beginning [size=14pt]God[/size] created the heaven and the earth.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 2:30am On Nov 02, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, you do mean what you said
You meant Jesus is not an Angel according to you
but I and others are in the camp of Jesus is/was an Angel

If God can be man, why cant God be an Angel
What is stopping God being an Angel johnw74

Is that your final answer or you would like to call a friend
You can do better than that, as obviously the Angel of God is an Angel
but the question is/was:
Who is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?
What is the identity of the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?

Of course, angels are celestial and invisible beings
They are created beings who never create anything, who never forgives sin, who never you know the drill and rest
Angels and the Angel of God have this one and only common denominator, they both are sent by God
Same manner, God came down to earth, when God the Father, sent Jesus, God the Son, to earth

As all you can reveal is the Angel of God is an Angel and dont know the identity of the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)
then I have no further questions to ask you, you can step off and leave the witness box

@red, well you now want to debate that God is an Angel
and then you say in the same post: Angels are created beings who never create anything

you are constantly all over the place and with contradictions
like a drunkard swaying to and throw

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:02am On Nov 02, 2015

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

God gave Jesus Christ revelation
Jesus sent it by His Angel to John.

John turned to see who was speaking to Him, and the angel that he saw was one like unto the Son of man
not the Son of man, but one like Him

the Angel of the Lord is the angel of the Lord Jesus Christ .... the Word is God
the Angel of the Lord is the angel of the Lord Yahovah .... Yahovah is God

to those who believe the Bible that is

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:57am On Nov 02, 2015*

MuttleyLaff:
What do you mean by the bolded
Can you for clarity sake, come again please

i mean exactly what i said

There is no need for all these all over place scriptures now.
All I want to hear from you is:
as far as johnw74 understands or knows, who is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?
Only after answering the question then you may/can throw all and whatever ~~missiles~~ scripture you have at me
Until then back off

scriptures showing that Jesus Christ is not an Angel but is God are not all over the place scriptures just because you don't believe them
and are relevant to the OP

An angel from among the angels
is not the same as the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)
- that agreement has always from the onset been our common ground

common ground among non believers

let me tell you again, the Angel of God is an Angel
and an Angel never created anything

You can only know if am all over place or not,
when and only, if you just will kindly answer:
Who is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)

MuttleyLaff: You're becoming like a broken record,
instead of answering the question, you're unnecessarily repeating yourself

@red, Haha when you accuse which is often, you are actually talking about yourself

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:09am On Nov 02, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
Yeah right
The below are past interactions between you and I
Read and see yourself ducking and diving, avoiding giving a response to:
Who is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?

Let God and posterity be the judge of whether or not I believe the bible and preach the opposite to it

You're becoming like a broken record,
instead of answering the question, you're unnecessarily repeating yourself

All these efforts of yours to squirm out of responding to the question is useless
so just answer the question asked earlier above about who is the Angel of the Lord
then as previously said, I too will give you ~~something~~ scripture(s) to really ponder on or writhe at

@red, Haha when you are accusing, you are actually talking about yourself

please do share;
tell us who you think is the Angel of the Lord?

show us this writhe at

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:56pm On Nov 01, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
Try for once to be honest
I replied non-sequitur to both of them
and further said, only if you would respond to:
Who is the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord)
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/8#39574509

I had already with the below responded to this with:
You're a right character and a half,
so you're trying to palm off an angel sent by the Lord to be same as the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord), abi? SMH

98% of the all Bible translations or versions out there,
used an angel of the Lord, one used a messenger of the Lord whilst the 2% erroneously, like you, preferred and used the angel of the Lord

Do you at all know when the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord) stopped making appearances in the Bible?
This angel of the Lord you tried palming off as the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord) is the same angel in the same account in Acts 5:19
It is also the same angel in Matthew 2:13 warning Joseph to flee to Egypt with baby Jesus

The point is, the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord) is not the same as, an angel of the Lord as in Act 12:8-11, Acts 5:19, Matthew 2:13 or other similar verses

You really, must be a jokester, if your aim was to pull this off this manner
What an epic fail this is, trying to switch an angel of Lord to be the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)

PLEASE, who, as far as johnw74 understands or knows, is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?

you, like dolphin are foreign to the truth, you don't believe these verses, because they go against your belief that Jesus Christ is an Angel:

Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power:

Michael is [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief Princes

Jesus Christ is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power

God the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ, created everything that was created

Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God is the creator

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

[size=14pt]An Angel has never created anything[/size]

^^^
although you did recently agree with me on that
but you also said that the Father called an Angel My son
so even you don't know what you believe
you are all over the place

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:54pm On Nov 01, 2015

dolphinheart:
These post was made by me on Aug 27 , 10:42 PM on these thread(page 3) .

https://www.nairaland.com/2549459/god-god/3

You replied me, my next post to you was

You replied me and even went on to quote a wrong translation of 1 Tim 3:16. And I replied with these post .

This was ur reply

Can you now see that I tried to ask you questions and you did not answer?
I even went on to ask u a question on john 5:7
If you are truthful, kindly let us look at the scriptures you quoted john 5:7 and 1Tim 3:16 and let's see if ur quotes are right or wrong and if trully they are what the disciples wrote or are insertions made by ur trinity forefathers.

dolphin, Anas talked about verses i posted in this thread:

Anas09:
@Muttleylaff.

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why?

and you dolphin replied:

dolphinheart:
I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested.

and now you bring up a post of 4 months ago, and say that's what you were talking about

like i have said to you many times, when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally
and you glory in lying, doing it time and time again

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 2:37pm On Nov 01, 2015*

muttley, just a couple of posts from this short page that you didn't reply too:

https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/8#39569610

https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/8#39569753

MuttleyLaff:
PLEASE, who, as far as johnw74 understands or knows, is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?

you don't know who the Angel of the lord is
and it's sending you ~~crazy~~ even more crazy

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 2:05pm On Nov 01, 2015

anyone who is reading this thread can see that MuttleyLaff is not answering anything
but as i have said before he is just saying a lot of bull again and again

he doesn't know who the Angel of the Lord is and because no one will tell him,
he says you don't know who the Angel of the Lord is, duh mutt

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:59pm On Nov 01, 2015*

dolphinheart:
Everyone knows that if I ask you a question or two about what you have been saying, you wunt answer the questions but give ur usual reply.

u said you questioned me on this thread matter and i didn't respond
i said you lied and that you did not question me and that you should post the quotes to show you didn't lie
you didn't post the quotes because there are none, you lied yet again, and are still lying
it's easy to post the quotes if there were any, but to you, lying is speaking naturally.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:38am On Nov 01, 2015

muttley and others believe the Angel of the Lord is the Word-Jesus Christ

Act 12:7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands.
Act 12:8 And the angel said unto him, Gird thyself, and bind on thy sandals. And so he did. And he saith unto him, Cast thy garment about thee, and follow me.
Act 12:9 And he went out, and followed him; and wist not that it was true which was done by the angel; but thought he saw a vision.
Act 12:10 When they were past the first and the second ward, they came unto the iron gate that leadeth unto the city; which opened to them of his own accord: and they went out, and passed on through one street; and forthwith the angel departed from him.
Act 12:11 And when Peter was come to himself, he said, Now I know of a surety, that the Lord hath sent his angel, and hath delivered me out of the hand of Herod, and from all the expectation of the people of the Jews.

Peter knew the Lord very well, but he did not recognise the Angel of the Lord
and the Angel of the Lord did not say to Peter, it's me Jesus

Peter realised that the Lord had sent His Angel to rescue him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 9:32am On Nov 01, 2015

muttley, you said to berniemoorer that you won't respond to him again
because he is ignorant and clueless

that's the same reasons why i don't respond much to you and some others also
do you understand now?

but mainly, the reason i don't get into discussions with you and some others is because you and those others are Bible disbelievers, that change what the Bible says, and even say the opposite
i don't help those or get into discussions with those who oppose the Bible,
but i will sometimes show up your wrongs, as you know, but deny

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 8:45am On Nov 01, 2015

and another one for you muttley:

johnw74:
God the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ, created everything that was created

Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God is the creator

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

[size=14pt]An Angel has never created anything[/size]

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 8:40am On Nov 01, 2015

another one for you muttley:

johnw74:
Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power:

Michael is [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief Princes

Jesus Christ is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 8:34am On Nov 01, 2015

^^^
above two posts

what a load of bull mutt talks

also these are contradictions:

MuttleyLaff: Yes, He, God the Father has called an Angel ''His Son''

Yes, He, God the Father, has/had said to an Angel ''sit at my right hand''

muttleyLaff: Angels dont create, angels dont know all, angels arent God, no angels died for man

in the first instance, the Bible verse you say the opposite too, is speaking off Jesus Christ
you implied Jesus is an Angel

and then in the second instance you say: "Angels don't create"

well as the Word-Jesus Christ created everything He cannot be an Angel
and that's just one instance where you contradict yourself again

what a load of bull you talk

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 4:01am On Nov 01, 2015

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, [size=14pt]O God[/size], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

these verses are clearly showing that Jesus Christ is not, and never has been an Angel
and Father God called Jesus Christ "God", just like John 1:1 called the Word "God"

but so called jw has been blinded through unbelief.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 3:36am On Nov 01, 2015

dolphinheart:
Everyone already knows your stand and what you say when you re about to be shown how wrong you are.

not you or any so called jw has shown me to be wrong
except in your own deluded minds, believing your changed and twisted scriptures

yes, everyone knows i say Jesus Christ is God the Word, and other Christians know also and agree with me
and yes, everyone knows i say jesus Christ was bodily resurrected etc etc etc, and other Christians know also and agree with me

however antichrists,
those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, and are the church of satan
say Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel, even though God the Word, come Jesus Christ created all the angels

once there was nothing at all except God, and God the Word created all there is, Angels, the Earth, people and so on.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:09am On Nov 01, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
I am not going to bother uttering much, except say:
You should by now know the distinction between angel(s) and Angel of the Lord
and for the umpteenth timel ask you again:
Now who is the Angel of the Lord?

while i'm at it, why were you saying: God did say to an Angel thou art my Son etc
and then say: an Angel never created anything etc

why all the contradictions?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:04am On Nov 01, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
I am not going to bother uttering much, except say:
You should by now know the distinction between angel(s) and Angel of the Lord
and for the umpteenth timel ask you again:
Now who is the Angel of the Lord?

duh, you must think that is a hard question
for the umpteenth time i don't get into discussions with jw and the likes

why don't you tell the people if you think you have something to say
then i might show you where you are wrong
i don't mind doing that

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:57pm On Oct 31, 2015*

one of the problems with sectarians is that they are not opened minded
they believe what they are taught, and they keep reinforcing their beliefs with their changed bible, and with the twisting of scriptures that they have been taught, instead of believing the plain truth.

jw teach that the Father created Michael and lucifer and then Michael created everything else

however the Bible shows us that the Word created everything, that includes Michael and lucifer who are Angels

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:28pm On Oct 31, 2015*

of course i'm not going to reply to jw twisting of scripture

just to say dolphin didn't refute his lying because he can not

when jw speak a lie they are speaking naturally

and twisting the scriptures goes hand in hand with lying

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Jesus comes with all His Angels, that includes the archangel mentioned above who shouts the message of Jesus Christ's coming

those who twist the scriptures say that because Jesus comes with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, means that Jesus is an archangel
by that same reasoning, it could be said that because Jesus comes with the trumpet of God, that Jesus is a trumpet

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:50am On Oct 31, 2015

God the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ, created everything that was created

Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God is the creator

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

[size=14pt]An Angel has never created anything[/size]

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:58am On Oct 31, 2015

Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power:

Michael is [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief Princes

Jesus Christ is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:06am On Oct 31, 2015

Anas09:
@Muttleylaff.
I have read from the beginning of this thread till now. I must say, you know your Onions. You Really have studies to show urself aproved to God, a workman...

i don't agree with that about MuttleyLaff, he said that God called an angel His son,
that God said to an Angel sit at my right hand
going against verses i posted and saying the exact opposite

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

and in his last post he agreed with my view: "Angels dont create, angels dont know all, angels arent God, no angels died for man"

he changes what he says all over the place

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:48pm On Oct 30, 2015

dolphinheart:
Do you support his quotes on 1Tim 3:16 and john 5:7 ?

i havn't commented about those verses here
but post the quotes and show yourself not to be lying yet again

I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested.

you never did
but post the quotes and show yourself not to be lying yet again and again

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