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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:42pm On Oct 15, 2015

Jessicha:
Sir , the greek and hebrew word translated angel in the scripture simply means " a messenger" .

No wonder the Scripture call Jesus an angel/messenger
( Malachi 3:1 )

more lies from jw
no scriptures call Jesus Christ an angel

Sir , ... He also followed them from the back .

" Then the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Isreal departed and went to their rear" Ex 14:19 , he clearly followed them .

you don't believe scriptures that show clearly that Jesus Christ is not an Angel
and you don't understand scriptures
you also twist them and try to have them say something else

johnw74: Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, are not, and do lie
and are the church of satan

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:22pm On Oct 15, 2015

truthislight:
From your post, Jesus the rock followed the Nation of Israel, who sent him?.
He sent himself?

Well, even when he was elevated on going back to heaven, he was still going on errands to Yahweh, So, it is obvious who sent Jesus to follow the Nation of Israel in the wilderness then, doing the work of a messenger.

If you wish, keep living in denial

you are so confused, being a messenger doesn't necessarily make one an angel
and you don't believe the verses posted showing that Jesus Christ was not an angel
and you don't believe scriptures showing that Jesus Christ is God, but change those scriptures, at your-jw's grave peril

Peace though.

pharacee hypercrite

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:16pm On Oct 15, 2015

truthislight:
OK, I see. you can run along now.

You must have a terrible conscience. You are saying that Jesus at Rev. 1:1 is not doing the work of a messenger. Suit yourself.

enough with the lies, I said Jesus is not an Angel

You are telling us that the message that God gave to Jesus to show to his slaves magically went to the Angel without Jesus transferring it over, forming a chain of messengers. Keep deceiving your self.

what? you are so confused

But we can all See what the Bible says there clearly..

We can also see clearly who is denying what the Bible says now.

Unfortunately, here is not your church that you cajole and compel people to belief a lie. You can't hoodwinked any body here online,.What is written at Rev. 1:1 is written.

like I said, "you don't believe the Bible and change what it says"

johnw74:
Talk about dishonest heart, jw doesn't believe the bible and change what is says

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

God gave Jesus Christ a revelation, and Jesus Christ sent it by His Angel

Jesus Angel was talking to John:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,

Jesus is the Son of man
Jesus Angel is not the Son of man,
Jesus Angel is one like unto the Son of man.

Peace.

truthislight: you can run along now

You must have a terrible conscience

Keep deceiving your self

you say this and then end with "peace"
what a pharacee hypercrite you are

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 10:15am On Oct 15, 2015

Jessicha:
1. angel means what ?

Duh, I will tell you what you think an Angel is,
you think an Angel is a messenger, and that's it

Angels are much more than messengers,
Angels are God's warriors, they perform God's Judgments
and they do whatever God wants of them
Angels are not humans, Angels are not God
the Word Jesus Christ created the Angels, of which lucifer was the most brilliant
and probably the first of Jesus creations

2. Who is that angel that led the isrealites out of Egypt ? Exodus 23:20, 21 , 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 ,

In Exodus it is the angel of the Lord of course, that from the front led them
in 1 Corinthians the rock is Christ that followed them
by your question you didn't know them simple facts

I have told you before that I don't discuss with those who don't believe the Bible
and who change what it says

have discussions with your fellow sectarian non believers,
you and me, a Christian are like chalk and cheese.

Christianity Etc › Re: End-time Bible Teaching: The Book With The 7 SEALS, PART 2 (rev 6 Vs Math 24) by johnw74: 3:49am On Oct 15, 2015

***[size=14pt]THE BOOK OF LIFE[/size]***

johnw74

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:47am On Oct 15, 2015*

truthislight:
Here we go, the link below is a thread that handled all those Scriptures and beyond, feel free to proceed there and refute the evidences:

https://www.nairaland.com/1446860/archangel-michael-jesus-christ/12#1830555

I dont have discussion with those who don't believe the Bible and change what it says.
I have shown you and bernimoore to be wrong in this thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:30am On Oct 15, 2015

truthislight:
Good day @Muttleylaff.

As much as I do wish to give an answer to the above question, I am keenly aware that it may derail this thread, hence, I beg to withhold my comment for now.

While reading through your post, I observed that you and the OP have arrived at the same conclusion as to the fact that the lack of a direct reference to Satan as an Angel in the Bible is no hindrance to drawing the conclusion that he was formerly an Angel(a messenger).based on the available evidence.

So then, why is the absence of a direct reference to Jesus as an Angel a hindrance in deducing from the abundance of Bible passages that the Entity Arc'Angel' mentioned in the Bible is same person Jesus. Considering the fact that they both have/share similar responsibilities. (almost all the task assigned to Jesus are the same things that Angel Michael will/assigned to do also).

So, the thread's argument is this: Why is it allowable to see a parallel from the Bible and deduced that Satan was an Angel though no direct reference to him being such was made and the same deductions can not be made to deduce that Jesus was an Angel/messenger and is still doing the work of messenger down till this day ?

On going back to heaven he continued going on arrand for the father:

Revelation 1:1.

A revelationa by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John.
..........................................................

NB: Even the act of Christ rulership as king on going back to heaven is still an assignment by Yahweh, A message, while a king, he will carry out certain assignment.

So, Your critical mind has lay to rest a fact inherent in the bible that some dishonest heart finds difficult to say, owing to strongly held notion and tradition.

Thank you.

Peace.

Talk about dishonest heart, jw doesn't believe the bible and change what is says

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

God gave Jesus Christ a revelation, and Jesus Christ sent it by His Angel

Jesus Angel was talking to John:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,

Jesus is the Son of man
Jesus Angel is not the Son of man,
Jesus Angel is one like unto the Son of man.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:57pm On Oct 14, 2015

BERNIMOORE:
The sentence above (in bold) is where i am driving my argument to, i decided to put the thread in a way that it will draw answers in a practical and comparable way, you think i dont know that satan was an angel?of course you rightly quoted part of it, or that jesus was also an arch angel that run errands for God while some angels are under his control, some of my works in 2012 dealt with that. the thread was directed to the trinitarians that i have engaged before like OLAADEGBU and co.

i want to thank you for your sincerity since i discovered that we both agree on some of these issues, but there are areas we will still need to reconcile

1, satan as an Arch angel
2, Jesus The Almighty God same as his father

You must either, don't believe those Bible verses, or change what they say,
to believe what you say.

The writer of Hebrews made it clear that Father God never said "thou art my Son" to an Angel
Father God never said "sit at my right hand" to an Angel.
Father God, calls the Son "God"

You agree with a dictionary that Angel means merssenger
and you disagree with the Bible(Hebrews) that Jesus Christ is not an Angel.

johnw74:
Heb 1:5 For unto[size=14pt] which of the angels[/size] said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, [size=14pt]O God[/size], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Heb 1:13 But to [size=14pt]which of the angels[/size] said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

1. satan was made more brilliant than any other Angel
it's highly likely he was an arch Angel.

2. There are many Bible verses showing Jesus Christ is the exact image of Father God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need The Intercession Of Mary, The Mother Of God by johnw74: 10:51am On Oct 14, 2015

Anas09:
Pls don't bother with these folk, they won't see or understand what u r saying. I know, I was there. A very strong devotee. It takes the holy Spirit himself to break them free from that inductrination.
Pulling up scriptures that are not even close to support their claims. Just pray for them

@blue, you are right

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need The Intercession Of Mary, The Mother Of God by johnw74: 10:16am On Oct 14, 2015

jaegermesiter:
Stop been naughty, I didn't say pray to angels or the host of heaven,they ask for their intercessions.this is how catholics pray. Thay pray by invocation of the most blessed trinity,and ask for the intercession of all d heavenly host,all through the name of Christ the Lord,Amen.

Praying to, is talking to
if you ask the Heavenly host to interceed to God for you
then you are praying to the heavenly host

But to be even more simple does the Bible tell us to ask the Heavenly host to interceed for us?
did Jesus ever do that?

Myself and other Christians pray to God directly and He hears us.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need The Intercession Of Mary, The Mother Of God by johnw74: 10:07am On Oct 14, 2015

jaegermesiter:
Hail mary full of grace,the lord is with you,blessed are you amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb,Jesus
Holy Mary,mother of God,pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our deaths ,AMen.

@ blue, praying to Mary to pray for us is not from the Bible

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need The Intercession Of Mary, The Mother Of God by johnw74: 10:03am On Oct 14, 2015

jaegermesiter:
All thses una vex about Mary for naija ,na wa o, if una go eastern europe dat means na crase una go craze be dat.
Catholics not only pray for intercession through mary but also through the entire host of heaven(angels,archangels,apostles,saints),is this wrong too?

Are we told in the Bible to pray to Angels, Archangels, Apostles and Saints
for Christians, Jesus is our example on what to do
Jesus only prayed to Father God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need The Intercession Of Mary, The Mother Of God by johnw74: 9:54am On Oct 14, 2015

royallord1:
the holyspirit interceeds on our behalf and prays for us to GOD the father... HE mediates.... in roman 8:26
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.…
mary does not interceed or mediate between man and God the father but rather between man and GOD the son by the workings of the holyspirit.... as she has always done in the scripture....

@blue, Please post the scripture-the Bible verses

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need The Intercession Of Mary, The Mother Of God by johnw74: 2:00am On Oct 14, 2015

royallord1:
if i told u the holy spirit is a mediator and an intercessor would u believe?

Jesus our mediator is God
the Holy Spirit is God, who comes to us in Jesus name

Mary is not God, and unless God did something that He did not tell us about,
then Mary is awaiting the resurrection as are all those who have died in Jesus Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Was Hung In A Tree - Not A Cross! by johnw74: 1:43am On Oct 14, 2015

Alphazee:
I can tell you authoritatively that Jesus was hung on a tree.

Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree"

Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree"

Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree"

1 Peter 2:24 "who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree"

the Greek word in those verses is "xulon" which means timber

another Greek word used, for what Jesus carried to the execution site is "stauros"
which means pole or cross

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:29am On Oct 13, 2015

If there are Angels of light, and there are, then they are God's Angels
and then it stands to reason that there must be angels of darkness, otherwise Angels of light would only need to be called Angels. And there are angels of darkness, satan is one of them
satan cannot masquerade as a dark angel for that is what he is naturally since his fall,
and so when he masquerades, he masquerades as a angel of light

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:16pm On Oct 12, 2015*

MuttleyLaff:
If you want to debate 2 Corinthians 12:7 or Revelation 12:9, it wont remove the fact that Jesus wasnt the average ~~Joe~~ ~~Bloggs~~ angel on the block,
In this context and in Jesus' capacity where it applies, Jesus would have to be an Arch-Angel
I am aware of Revelation 22:16, hence the ''in this context and in Jesus' capacity where it applies...'' caveat emptor

Heb 1:5 For unto[size=14pt] which of the angels[/size] said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, [size=14pt]O God[/size], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Heb 1:13 But to [size=14pt]which of the angels[/size] said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:14am On Oct 12, 2015

Where in the Bible does it say Satan was once a glorious angel in Heaven?

“Thou wast created.” Ezekiel 28:13, 15. “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth.” Ezekiel 28:14. “Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty … every precious stone was thy covering … the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. … Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” Ezekiel 28:12-15.

Lucifer was created by God, as were all the other angels (Ephesians 3:9). Lucifer was a “covering” cherub. There was one great angel that stands on the left side of God’s throne and another on the right (Psalms 99:1). Lucifer was one of those highly exalted angel leaders. His beauty was flawless and breathtaking. His wisdom was perfect. His brightness was awe-inspiring. Ezekiel 28:13 seems to indicate that his throat was specially prepared to make him an outstanding musician.

But pride, jealousy, discontent, and self-exaltation arose in his heart. And he decided to attempt to unseat God and then demand that all worship him.”Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.” Ezekiel 28:17. “For thou hast said in thine heart, … I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: … I will be like the most High.” Isaiah 14:13, 14.

Then, “there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:7-9.

Lucifer won the support of one-third of the angels (Revelation 12:3, 4) and caused an insurrection in heaven. God had no choice but to oust Lucifer and his followers. This was the greatest battle, by far, ever fought. Lucifer’s aim was to usurp God’s throne, even if it might eventually lead to murder (John 8:44). After his expulsion from heaven, Lucifer was called Satan (adversary) and devil (slanderer), and his angels were called demons.

http://proof.directory/where-in-the-bible-does-it-say-satan-was-once-a-glorious-angel-in-heaven/

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Do Away With Your NIV Bible For Good by johnw74: 5:32am On Oct 11, 2015

Jesus the Word, created lucifer and all the angels, lucifer is son of the morning, son of the Word Jesus Christ
all the Angels are the son's of the Word-Jesus Christ
all the Angels are called the son's of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Mistakes People Make With The Holy Spirit by johnw74: 2:07am On Oct 11, 2015

juligon:
GOD BLESS YOU SIR. YOU'VE SAID MY MIND

GOD BLESS YOU SIR

Some avoid giving the Holy Spirit a personal attribute
they think He is an impersonal power, force, seal

Christians of faith know He is a person, know He is God in them
Christians of faith are happy to say off Him:

He is wonderful

He is our counsellor

He is our teacher

He leads us

He has fellowship with us

He talks with us

He is our seal(security) unto the day of redemption

Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed(secured) unto the day of redemption.

Some don't know anything about the above, they don't have a personal relationship with Him.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

The Father and the Son come and make their abode with a Christian of faith
the Holy Spirit, makes His abode with a Christian of faith.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Do Away With Your NIV Bible For Good by johnw74: 6:52am On Oct 10, 2015*

I didn't read all the OP
but enough to see that there is wrong translations in the NIV,
I'm not sure about Isa 14:12 though

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Isa 14:12 The NIV reads, “How you have fallen from heaven, MORNING STAR, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!”

Rev 22:16 Jesus the Word is the bright and morning(orthrinos, dawn) star
Isa 14:12 lucifer is morning star(heylel) as well, but lucifer is son of the dawn-morning, son of Jesus

Jesus the Word, created lucifer and all the angels, lucifer is son of the morning, son of the Word Jesus Christ

The Word did not create lucifer evil, he later fell, and took a third of the Angels with him.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If God Created Everything For Men, What Purpose Do Other Planets serve?. by johnw74: 6:59am On Oct 09, 2015

Horus:
If God created the universe simply for the Earth he wasted a lot of material on the project. There are an estimate 100 billion solar systems in our galaxy and over 1 million galaxies in the universe. That's a lot of material just to maintain one, healthy planet. Even if God is all-powerful, he is either a very poor planner or we have seriously misidentified our significance to him.

Even much more than that

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=how+many+galaxies+in+the+universe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=FFQXVo-OC6PbmAXOg43QCw

He is AWESOME

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Mistakes People Make With The Holy Spirit by johnw74: 4:20am On Oct 09, 2015*

Mat_12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mat_12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Mar_3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Luk_12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

One doesn't normally sin against a thing-a power, sin is normally against God
the Word became man, He could be blasphemed-sinned against.
the unpardonable sin is against the Holy Spirit
the pharacees attributed Jesus's good works not to God but to satan, that is the unpardonable
sin against the Holy Spirit

Isa_63:10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

A power or force cannot be vexed and grieved

Mar_12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mar_13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Ghost speaks through David and those of faith

Luk_12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

The Holy Spirit teaches

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said

The Holy Spirit comforts

Act_1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Again the Holy Spirit spoke through David foretelling of the judas event

Act_2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Holy Spirit gives them words to speak

Act_5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Ananias and his wife both fell down dead for lying to the Holy Ghost

Act_7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

The Holy Spirit promps-leads us in His ways

2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Those of faith enjoy fellowship with the Holy Ghost

Heb_3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

We can hear the voice of the Holy Ghost, God talking to us.

1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Act_20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

The Holy Ghost made the desciples overseers of the church of God
the Holy Ghost purchased the flock-church with His own blood

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.

Joh 14:23 [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let [size=14pt]us[/size] make man in [size=14pt]our[/size] image, after [size=14pt]our[/size] likeness:
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

God is Spirit, to teach that the "Holy" Spirit is not God, is the same as the pharacees teaching
that Jesus good works were not from God

you see the similarity:

jw's:
Holy Spirit....not God
pharacees:
Jesus's works....not from God

jw's are modern day pharacees

God is Spirit
the Holy Spirit is God
but satan blinds all who walk another path

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

when you reject God, He rejects you

Christianity Etc › Re: If God Created Everything For Men, What Purpose Do Other Planets serve?. by johnw74: 11:39pm On Oct 08, 2015

ribbit:
so planet is now the same as stars ?

boy, I must have had a dumb day,
posting in this thread.

frank317, Chizzled06

Christianity Etc › Re: If God Created Everything For Men, What Purpose Do Other Planets serve?. by johnw74: 10:35am On Oct 08, 2015

Chizzled06:
You just exposed the cosmological ignorance of biblical authors.

'David' claims there's a "firmament" stopping the stars and heavenly bodies falling into earth, as was explained in Genesis. Science has shown no such thing exists.

Secondly the moon is not a source of light as your bible mentions. And referring to the sun and moon as 'great' in reference to stars just shows that those guys were clueless.

Our whole solar system is like a tiny dot when you place it in a map of the observable universe. Those stars are bigger than our sun and planets.

You don't believe The heavens declare the glory of God....ok
you don't believe He made the stars also....ok

johnw74: Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

The Bible mentions the stars, and we don't need scientists to tell us they are there,
you just have to look up at night to see many stars and planets for yourself.

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Christianity Etc › Re: If God Created Everything For Men, What Purpose Do Other Planets serve?. by johnw74: 10:27am On Oct 08, 2015

frank317:
You obviously have no shame. You didn't even make an attempt to answer the questions, yet your mouth couldn't help running

You don't believe The heavens declare the glory of God....ok
you don't believe He made the stars also....ok

johnw74: Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

The Bible mentions the stars, and we don't need scientists to tell us they are there,
you just have to look up at night to see many stars and planets for yourself.

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Rapture Taken Place Or This Prophecy Of Jesus Was never Fulfilled ? by johnw74: 10:12am On Oct 08, 2015

Raymondenyi:
wow! Nice one, well done! What of the other verses I quoted.

I agree with ifex370 on them

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Rapture Taken Place Or This Prophecy Of Jesus Was never Fulfilled ? by johnw74: 2:08am On Oct 08, 2015

Raymondenyi:
Math 16: 27-28 (you can start from chapter 21, to understand better)
27 :For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28 :Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

While jesus was talking to his disciples , he was telling them revelations on his return(second coming) to earth on the judgement day, and he categorically told them , that their generation shall not pass away (some of them will not die ) before he comes back... This was resonated in some other verses and chapters...

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Six days after this Peter James and John did see Jesus in His Kingdom:

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If God Created Everything For Men, What Purpose Do Other Planets serve?. by johnw74: 1:33am On Oct 08, 2015

ribbit:
The religious folks want us to believe that everything God created is for humans to enjoy and to make our stay more comfortable here on earth ... That's why we have some religious folks coming up with stuff like banana theory.

E.g, He created the light for day and moon for the night ..

He created plants and animals so we could have dominion over them and eat them so we won't die.

He created earth as accommodation ...
Etc etc..

Now the question is, what purpose does other planets in the galaxy serve?
How come bible or any ancient religious books never mentioned any of these planets until scientists started exploring ?
I mean, its like god doesn't want us to be go out of earth, that is why there is no oxygen in space.

Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

The Bible mentions the stars, and we don't need scientists to tell us they are there,
you just have to look up at night to see many stars and planets for yourself.

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How To Explain Contradictions In The 4 Gospels. by johnw74: 12:55am On Oct 08, 2015

My opinion:

The purpose of reading the Bible is to come to know the Lord,
once God has given us faith because we sought Him
then contradictions or seemingly contradictions don't matter,
they are there for those who don't want to believer, and who use them to try and discredit Christianity
and so they themselves never come to know the truth.

2Co 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

If you reject Christ, you will see contradictions and will never believe
If you reject Christ, He will reject you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Was Not Even A Christian by johnw74: 11:22am On Oct 07, 2015*

MuttleyLaff:
Food for thought, warning, dont throw up or choke on it

When Jesus asked the disciples whom He is,
Peter via the Holy Spirit revealed that He is the Messiah, whom God has sent.
(i.e. The Anointed One or if in Greek, then Christ, the Greek form of the Hebrew word for ''Messiah'')

Many people for various reasons, followed Jesus in the Bible days, and that hasnt changed today or now

Disciple is on a higher echelon than follower, as far as Jesus is concerned
- Jesus never mandated anyone making Christians of others, talkess calling themselves Christians.

Keep on rolling and swirling in the gutter
hope you're enjoying the confused.com mud

I know that it hurts you, but the truth does that when you are against it.

johnw74: But that's too difficult for the confused Muttley to understand.

satan of course would have to be behind one trying hand over foot to teach that Christian is not a good name for followers of Christ

using his same logic muttley would think that Africans is not a good name for people from Africa, and
Americans is not a good name for people from America, and
Australian is not a good name for people from Australia, and
Historian is not a good name for people who study history, and
buddhists is not a good name for those who believe in buddah, and
martians is not a good name for men from mars,

Go Christians
Christians rock
Jesus is our Rock.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Was Not Even A Christian by johnw74: 11:06am On Oct 07, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
You agree that one is not known by God Almighty as a ''Christian''
- a small admission of guilt that speaks volumes

no, I didn't say one, I said "you", are not known by God as a Christian

but it's difficult for you to be honest

Dont take advantage of a Guy Fawkes' mask used on an Anonymous forum to deflect matter on hand.

You inarguably are rolling in the gutter with all this your rofo-rofo ad hominem.
Instead of responding to or addressing the question asked you,
you're are snooping on people's profiles and attacking their character,
only a negro/nigger can stoop this low to do such

Haha you are so full of yourself, and unable to be truthful
@red, you are preducised as well

with all the rot that you talk, I'm just glad you are not a part of Christianity
and it shows.

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