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JackBizzle:
You are not reasoning logically. You say numbers are not boundless and yet, you contradict yourself by saying that there is always an increase. There is no limit to numbers.

I would argue that infinity itself is a number. There is a symbol for it


To give you a practical example of inifinity being a number, just take the simple division of 22/7 or the symbol called "pi" π.

That "Pi" number is infinite because, equivalently, its decimal representation never ends and never settles into a permanent repeating pattern.





Limitless can increase. You can multiply 2 infinites. For example, let us assume that the universe is infinite in all directions. If I try to travel to the top of the universe, I would not get there because it would take me an infinite time to get to the top of the universe which is infinite. If I then plan a second journey to the bottom of the universe, that would add an infinity to another infinity- it would take longer to go to the top and then backwards to the bottom.


The problem with this your infinite God is that infinity does not exist in the real world. It is a contradiction. Something can be infinitely big but can still be bigger. Can God make a God more powerful than himself? The apparent contradiction is soo clear. What if God gives birth to God 2.0? A self-refuting contradiction.





cc johnydon22, hahn.

infinity can be greater than infinity contrary to Joshthefirst thoughts. there is an infinite number of values in between 0 and 1 and 1 to 2 but still one is still greater than 0 and 2 greater than 1 even though in the real numerical sense all are infinite - so yes infinity can always increase.

so the omni paradox holds, because it literally contradicts itself

la click la bend

other women will blush and smile when i tell them that i will die for them, there is only one woman in this world who would never blush or smile when i tell her i will die for her, because she'd rather die for me.




Mother...

i am inclined to partly agree with you, Religious people are motivated into conformity to a moral guideline by the prospect of heavenly reward or the dread of hellish punishment.

But let us fall back and take a critical look at things, not every religion banks on these values to instill morality or conformity, there some ancient religions out there that are deep and profound, that teach compassion and empathy in the most profound ways.

again i also think religions are quite useful and important in the world today, it has proven to be a very effective tool in pushing people into conformity or control and you wouldnt like a world where there is no bond or shackle of some sort holding people down, that propbably will be a recipe for disaster

I quite agree. bitterness will do you more harm. Buddha once said, "Anger/bitterness/rage is like holding a live coal in your palms expecting to throw it at some other person - you only get burnt".

blueAgent:
You are not serious.Scientist discovered that the killfish that has never been in polluted waters was the same as those in polluted waters. so how did they Evolue in the absent of polluted waters and still remained a killfish like others who had never been in polluted waters?

In ancient China for example during a war between two chinese dynasties, the battle was bloody and hard but the attacking army won. a little boy of no more than 9 years old was the king, instead of risk being captureed alive, he and his mother drowned in the sea and died.

the remaining people from the conquered kingdom secretly held festivals every year in commemoration of their brave warriors who died defending them and the courageous boy king.

Fishing was their primary occupation being a city with large mass of water body around - in this water, there's a particular species of crab with patterns on their back and this pattern looks like the face of a human twisted and angry like that of a soldier.

these villagers believed that these crabs were the reincarnation of their dead soldiers and that was the reason their faces appeared on it as a pattern and out of respect and reverence to the bravery of these dead soldiers the fishermen didnt eat these crabs.

- whenever they caught such a crab, it was thrown back respectfully into the water
- if they caught a crab with a plain back, it was kept and ultimately eaten.

This led to only one result, crabs with patterns survived and thrived while ones without patterns continually diminished.. this is selection in action, an evolutionary mechanism.

The patterns on this crabs had nothing to do with the dead soldiers or the boy king, these crabs had the pattern for a long time before that event but that one feature aided their survival.

selection in evolutionary terms means that in the course of a given circumstance or condition, organisms or species with the best-suited features for such conditions thrive and survive, the much less fortunate ones die off.

these features are not evolved immediately, there have been accumulated subtly through the diverse evolutionary journey of each species.

so these fishes did not swim past evolution, they rather confirms it, you are seeing a classical clear example of natural selection. . The diversity in their genetic build up was more adapted to toxic water than the rest of those fishes and that is why they survived and thrived while others perished.

in a different condition, some other fish species may have the upper hand in terms of adaptive abilities and thus survive and continue..... This is Natural selection, a tool of evolution.

I implore you to please try read up evolution, try and understand it cus this up there is laughable. you only quickly copied and posted it with the mindset that it refuted evolution because you had not the slightest idea of what evolution is because if you did, you wouldn't have posted this.

Typical example of Natural Selection - Lennycool i don always argue with folks like this, the problem is not if they agree with evolution but rather if they understand it.

if this bro understood "evolution" he wouldn't have posted this in an attempt to debunk it - cus this is just another typical example of evolution at work, natural selection more so.

joe4christ:
Please educate me, cos from all evidence and history, its certain that Africa is the most gullible continent amongst other continents and an average African is gullible.
Prove me wrong please!

pove you wrong, that shows you still have no idea of the history you point as evidence to your assumption

joe4christ:
I pity Africans. No continent can beat Africans in gullibility

i disagree, gullibility has no special fort in a particular continent - europe believed worse

HardMirror:
He has been twisting and dodging like a snake in a field of reeds.
Intelligence goes hand in hand with how easier you can make your daily tasks not how hard you live each day.

Christians cook up the dumbest analogies

i couldn't agree more

felixomor:
I also said the example of social media and pornography in the op was particular to the atheist in the op.

so your premise is based on the lifestyle of one individual and you hope to rope in every other atheist in it - great

And i told u to bring another atheist to take up the challenge. Since then, story.

you will have to tell us how a life bound to the shackles of religious rituals and doctrines same as being mentally healthy - they don't correlate so your task is complete bogus..

if you want to test your mental strength by swapping role we could do it right this minute

felixomor:
There is only one question on this thread.
It was in the OP
You have not answered it.

we are digging at the claims you made while bringing up this question to ascertain their validity and not applaud the obvious lies that you are now desperately trying to dodge or prevent us from bringing up..

please we will like you to substantiate your claim of atheistic life being alcohol, porn and internet and i am ready to prove otherwise with statistical facts.. dont dodge it.

You assume atheists are mentally stronger than Christians.
Abi? Good

LOL you created the problem right from your own assumption not me, so let's get serious forget this puerile drags - point to a post i inferred this or is this another lie?

And I said demonstrate it.
Period.

You are tasking us with demonstrating your own assumptions? how on earth is mental health correlated with the adherence to some religious rituals and doctrines..

if you want to ascertain your mental strength why not go to the psychiatric home..

so far you have been unable to substantiate the premise on which your question is based..

felixomor:
You are contradicting yourself o.
Go back and read your first comment.

U r trying to shift to which "life is harder"

The question is who is mentally "stronger"?
Period

..my first comment was for you to substantiate your claim of an atheistic life being alcohol, porn and internet, something you are still dodging - probably a subtle way of agreeing to the ludicrous inaccuracy of your claim

there is no correlation here between whose life is harder and mental strength, you cant even see your own arguments..

pray tell, how does demanding doctrines and rituals make a religious person or a Christian more mentally strong, tell me the relationship between the two.

Besides who told u freedom is easier than bondage?
Dont allow Seun to spoil your thought process?

still dodging my question i see - please can you answer i pray thee

felixomor:
Brother.

Lets not go too far.
Bring forth the "best atheist" (if anybody like that exists) here on Nairaland let him take up the challenge.

Live the Christian life for 1 week and come back to tell us if the Christian is mentally weak.

Simple test.

we are not in anyway dragging whose life is simpler than the other, like seun mentioned up there the life of a freeman is way easier than that of a slave - so the value or worth of a life is not judged by the severity of tasks required, actually easier is better..

your mistake is that somehow you are under the impression that any atheists here is under any form of contest with you over whose life is harder - that's not an achievement or are you under the naive assumption that a more demanding life is equal to mental stability?

i will choose a less demanding life anyday.

so but dont try to dodge my questions, we need to substantiate your claims that the atheistic life is watching porn, alcohol and internet - lets us thrash out that claim and see the weight of it's validity, cancel out the falsehood and bring it out of the open field for all to see, unless of course you are scared it wont go down well with your claims.

let's keep going, going from your claim - atheistic countries should watch more porn, more alcohol and stay online more than religious ones?

yes or no - please dont try to dodge or digress

Seun:
It is true that being an atheist is much easier than being a Christian, but it's a good thing. Being a free man is much easier than being a slave. Discarding your religion adds one free day to your week and increases your income by at least 10%. You're free to decide how to use them.

mental freedom more so

felixomor:
Sorry, u dont have such "statistical facts"
I insist.

alright then lets go- if your assertions are correct, it appeals to logic that most religious countries in the world will watch less porn, consume less alcohol and spend less hours online than the atheistic ones.. yes?

Besides, that lifestyle was for the man who took up the challenge.

Another atheist willing to take up the challenge should bring up his lifestyle, although I doubt if it doesnt include at least 2 of those mentioned above.

so are you now suggesting that the lifestyle you listed was in direct discription of the man in question and has nothing to do with any other atheist or atheists in general?

then on what ground are we supposed to answer questions based on a wrong perception of our distinct characters and lifestyles?

avaa:
And you wonder why many theists are tagged gullible. Imagine how the op arrived at his conclusion.

relax i've got this

felixomor:
Its not false bro.
People like seun and his people have severally accused Christians of being mentally weak.
So its worth demonstrating.

exactly so i will like us to substantiate the notion that the atheistic lifestyle [though there is no such thing] is watching porn, taking alcohol, sleeping online - what happens if i prove that christians do these things more than the average atheists with statistical facts..

felixomor:
LooooLz

Answer the question....or you know the rest.

Your question was based on a false premise and wrong plain dishonest assumption - so first let us test and treat the validity of claims before we can know if the question is worth answering cus surely enough dishonest questions based on assumptive lies have no answer..

so let's keep going and let's use Nigeria - our home as a case study.

Spending countless hours on social media, watching pornography and taking alcohol.

i will like you to substantiate this claim, this alleged lifestyle of an atheist with facts - so please i will be awaiting your response..

if someone proves Christians watch more porn, stays more on social media and watch porn more than atheists in general will that once and for all show the absurdity and outright inaccuracy of your claim and will you accept your dishonesty..?

chief gate man of hell fire or personal assistant to Jesus - i do not think that anybody basically humane or empathic can believe in an eternal punishment for trivial transgressions.


there is something innately wicked, disturbing and barbaric about such beliefs that reveals the sadistic nature of the believers of such a notion as hell

Dawdy:
Flat disc. That is why you can't see other side of the moon.

so you honestly take a look at the moon at night when it is full or crescent and the type of shadows on it's surface seem to you like what a flat surface can achieve?

secondly about one side of the moon perpetually facing the earth, have you heard about Tidal Lock before?

osemoses1234:
Old mama yanch

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Dawdy:
You guys have been lied to in all your life. The fact Is that Earth is not a spinning ball, it is stationary. Gravity is a hoax. It was invented to support heliocentric model. But the problem Is that it is easier to fool people than to tell them they have been fooled.

alright lets get this going - so answer me kind sir..

is the moon flat or spherical?

Lennycool:
Sort off like the God Einstein believes in.

that is Spinoza God - a subtle way of saying God is another name for nature..

Let's hear from the OP his views on religious Gods, now that he's leaning towards pantheism as you say.

agreed

Lennycool:
True, but I simply wanted to inform him that his postulation might serve a deistic version of God and not necessarily a theistic one.
Theistic Gods have to account for more than just creation.

his postulations are more spinozaic or pantheistic not theism or deism... deism is just theism without the interference

Lennycool:
Your theory is not new, others have similarly reasoned that God could simply be the universe itsel( I hold no argument for this theory), its all good and logical for a non interfering deistic creator, it leaves nothing however for religious Gods. Nothing for Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or Zeus. That my friend is where the argument lies Ifleak

God being the universe is not exactly the same stance as deism

lfleak:
I will like to listen to the thought of others, I reasoned all this setting religion aside first..
cc: seun...

i love your mind and the boldness within

lfleak:
yea... you are getting along...

which means basically God is not an anthropomorphic entity with basic need for undiluted piety but just a cosmological energy in the circle of cosmological existence - that's literally another way of saying, God is part of nature, god is nature...

lfleak:
So not even 2 minutes had gone and I came up with an answer to my second question, again the answer was so logical and scientific and simple, and so convincing, and the answer was of course what creates matter? then i remembered I had learned in my school physics or chemistry class that ALL MATTER IS COMPOSED OF ENERGY, so I was so relieved that God must be some form of ENERGY in order to have created physical matter from within HIMSELF, since we now know that all matter is composed of Energy (atoms) and therefore GOD MUST BE MASTER SOURCE OF ALL ENERGIES, and guess what Einstein also claimed that ENERGY cannot be Destroyed nor Created, therefore GOD is FOREVER, Indestructible and Uncreatable , so this lead me to a conclusion that GOD exists in the form of ENERGY and so is invisible, formless and occupies empty space as well as all matter and is INFINITE, the ENERGY is INFINITE, GOD is thus ALMIGHTY and POWERFUL.

People often say so if you believe universe was created by GOD, so where did GOD come from and the answer is so simple again, If something cannot be created or destroyed, then logically that means that something was already in existence, and if it was in existence it will remain in existence as it cannot be destroyed.

In Physics- theory of relativity matter and energy are relative.... energy can be transformed into matter and matter into energy, so basically you are saying that what we call God is energy.... God is just another word or name to connote energy?

lfleak:
yea, have your seat sir...

sure i am here... go on

energy= God...nice