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rhektor:
There's no reason to read again as you've just summarised all you wrote in the thread. Like I said before your flaw is you viewing that all powerful God as human and attributing human characteristics to the same. Of whom shall he be jealous? The answer is of whoever he chooses to be jealous of.

exactly the point these characteristics creates a God that is basically humanoid, that very quality of being under the confines of jealousy reeks of pettiness and this also keeps painting a childish image of an all powerful entity.

He does as he pleases you can't query him. Imagine a super computer querying the manufacturer.
Like the example I wrote up there, would a manufacturer not be concerned about the smallest component of his invention? Please reason with that
# peace be with you

argument of conception, this qualities are products of mundane vulnerability and want, it is puny and puerile - so when next you want to picture a God lay out uncontradicting qualities.

it is either mundane and not all powerful
or it is above mundane wants and need and is all powerful and perfect.

Put the two together is paradoxical and annihilates the subject.

kaboninc:
You do hate God!

Anyone who hates God is a misotheist [which is still theism] Seun is an atheist and making arguments against u reasonable concepts or agreeing to them is not same thing as hating the subject of argument. dont confuse the two.

rhektor:
Your problem is that you want to define an all powerful omniscient God by your own idea, you want that all powerful being to be what you feel he should be. You think the producer of Boeing 737 will be unconcerned about one of the earpiece jack on the seat ? You need to think really deep

By virtue of all powerful and perfect there are certain vulnerabilities that these factors eliminates. we humans bear emotions like anger, hate, jealousy and need because we are imperfect and vulnerable creatures all round, our wanting comes from our deep seated need to satisfy and chasm within us.

For an all powerful entity to be subjected to similar emotions kills the very idea of all powerful or all perfect, it is a paradox that can never work in any way.

If you are the all powerful and all perfect creator of the cosmos, of whom could you possibly be jealous of? what exactly could you possibly need?

the underlying pettiness and mundane attributes of these characteristics confines and entity within such confines to that of a vulnerable and vane being no more than a human.

and this is in direct contradiction with the definition of all powerful and all perfect. read the post again.

adepeter26:
I followed the thread to the very last end.... I never came across any positive comment(s) of yours on that thread.

Lets keep to this thread and not digress.

felixomor:
U r still on the ad hominem....
Nothing new

simple truths are not ad hominem, your posts make them evident enough... How you could bring up such unrelated posts as a refutation for the articles brings your cognition into question

felixomor:
Somewhere in your mind, throwing a question u couldn't answer means i have not read your post.
Mscheww, SMH
If only i had said, u made sense,
Then u will know i read it ba?.....

I have read your post.
As i said, u r like the petulant little child of that rich father.....
Nothing more....

Then it maybe blamed of impaired comprehension, the post was simple as it was written in simple language. You didnt ask a question that could not be answered, as a matter of fact it is not only answerable but primary but doesn't remove the fact that it was non-sequitur to the arguments on the post which shows either you didnt read the post or you couldn't comprehend the argument which would come as a surprise since it is so simple..

You once again made a first class prat of yourself with the unrelated analogy of the child and his rich father, i advice you read the post try and bring out all your understanding game.

stephenmorris:
you no dey read before you comment

It baffles me my brother, it is remarkable how people can be making posts so confidently in blatant blindness that you begin to wonder..

felixomor:
I can see u r trapped

hahaha here comes the clowning about, deluding yourself to make yourself feel good. make an unrelated remark and then troll yourself with it, you really need to grow up and learn how to make reasonable arguments.

Your post can be summarized as the little boy (of course whose brain is still in developmental stage) who became petulant because his rich father didnt buy him a car.

He asks his father,
"Can you buy me a car"?
His father says "i can"!
Then he says "ok, buy it for me"
His father says "I wont"

Then the boy throws a tantrum
And says "father, just say you cant"

Does this change the fact that his rich father can buy him the car?
Of course not.

That is how you sound.
Like that little boy.
Saying God is not "all powerful" when you a mere mortal doesnt even have the mind of an "all powerful"....

May your eyes be opened.

You basically have no argument, read the post again - this time very slowly. it is either you didnt or you have impaired comprehension...

felixomor:
Using your example of a circle,
What if your concept of limiting a circle to 360 degrees is wrong in the first place?
Will that make you right?

LOL here we go with a non sequitur. try another argument because this is not only nonsensical but is non sequitur to the arguments raised.

felixomor:
@ the Op,

Simple question for you

Please
What are the ideal attributes of an "all powerful God"?

Because it seems you know all the dos and donts of an "all powerful"....

Please what are the ideals?

Definition of a concept reveal the attributes there in, this question was sorely answered on the post unless you didnt read it all if you did then do it again this time slowly.

for example when someone say circle, there is nothing else to think but a 360°, anything more or less cannot be said to be a circle

Bestinstinct:
Very enlightening writeup. Myopic minded people will soon come for you.

it is not new actually, i am used to it therefore ready to defend my argument

this is idiotic

https://thetab.com/blogs.dir/32/files/2016/05/maxresdefault-2.jpg

let us first put things into perspective, let us first see just what our place is in this humongous cosmos that almost certainly is indifferent to our existence, equally as malicious and treacherous to everything.

Just a few million kilometers away, if you were some sort of being on the moon or just an astronaut sent to the moon looking at the earth rise just as the sun would rise on the earth.

you would be looking at the earth that would be no more than a bright blue sphere with a pinch of white and brown but mostly dominated by a loud hue of blue.

the earth is basically like a blue marble lighting up the skyless moon world, no vegetation can be seen, no huge monuments made by humans are visible from such not too shouty distance judging from a cosmic perspective, our airplanes and pyramids, huge skyscrapers and shinning golden temples.

there is not the slightest indication that the earth is inhabited, just seems like another planet in the solar system with little or no events of any importance, it floats just like a typical planet with little or nothing to show, you would be totally lost to the bustling activities that lurk just on the skin of this blue world.

Approach the earth a little closer, a few thousand kilometers just like the distance of the international space station, now you can see the rivers and seas, you can now make out intricate patterns of canals and canyons, green patches of vegetation and the biggest of the man made structures all like an intrinsic feature in such a humble painting.

From this distance you can make out the biggest human made structures but still no sign of humans, you cannot see them walking in the street or out in the open field.

what does this mean?

The answer is obvious to us; we are very tiny creatures, we are to the earth like tiny microbes pitching on the skin of a stone we overturn from the ground, dirty and moist.

we are nothing more than microbes on the earth when you visualize the earth from the outside.

To an outside observer it is almost like we are not here.

Now just imagine the earth from a cosmic perspective, we are hosted by an average star that is insanely humongous compared to the size of the earth but this sun is just a mediocre star in our local neighborhood of stars and galactic neighbors.

Together with billions of other stars, our sun is part of a galaxy. visualizing the sun from a galactic point of view it is less than a spec of dust lost in a vast sea of sands.

This our galaxy is just one out of more than 500billion with the promise of double that size being the reality.

A tiny spec lost in a vast cosmos dancing to a tune played by an uncharted gravity that draws a cold doom near with every breath.

I explained all this to add a perspective to the points that i am about to make, we are a young specie, lost and minuscule in a universe that is far too deeper and bigger than our imagination can ever conceive, with our time no more than a cosmic blink.

we exist almost like we don't.

The universe doesn't go around for us, doesn't even seem that the universe has the slightest inclination that we are here.

Now let me quickly bring up a definition of God from a theistic point of view which is the sole nucleus of my argument.

God is an all powerful, all knowing and eternal being that is beyond time, literally caused the universe from pure nothingness and then largely interfere with humans

it all sounds all right and cozy from a human perspective but look at it from a cosmic landscape; this very definition and characteristics of God as stretched in very many vivid descriptions, confident and daring tendered by many religions ridicules the very idea of a God that is All powerful, all knowing and all perfect.

We can at least try and imagine just how huge, ominous, deep, spooky, intricate and powerful this universe is, there is a lingering possibility that it may just be one out of many.

A being capable of making something like this literally out of nothing must be just as ominous, deep, spooky, intricate and powerful or even more than the universe.

imagine, just let your mind roam free on what outstandingly weirdly powerful entity such a being would be.

We are humans, fleeting and young, vane and puny, we are subject to emotions that reveal the depth of our vulnerability; anger, hate, sadness, joy, love, affection, envy, jealousy and many of them.

May we not forget that we are basically no more than atoms in a cosmos so vast that even our imagination cannot grasp it.

Now here comes the creator, in all his power and weirdness, all that perfection and timeless aura, comes to the universe, goes to a vast corner where a local cluster seats, pin points the vigo super cluster, goes to a remote galactic corner and locates a lone spiral galaxy gleaming like a lost pearl in a sea of darkness, enters this galaxy, locates a tiny part of this galaxy where countless stars reside, pin points an average sun out of many, comes to the local solar neighborhood and comes to the tiny blue world, there is a specie of beings so tiny and fleeting, microbes living on the skin of this blue world, then this all powerful creator of the cosmos comes to this world where these very tiny creatures are then starts to help them kill each other.

That is what theism would have us believe.

I'd say that is tremendously absurd!!

theism proposes a creator for the cosmos, a seeming answer to the question of causality, all perfect, glorious, timeless and ancient, deep and all knowing, boundless power that passes the borders of infinity then goes right ahead and ridicule it.

Theism paints a picture so petty and vane, a God that is no more than a human.

here is an all powerful and knowing entity that is still subjected to emotions that reveals the crudity of our vulnerability, anger and hate, this entity that made everything can get jealous, struggles and indulges in human feuds.

If you are an all powerful creator of everything, of whom exactly are you going to be jealous of?

but here we have a God that allegedly created everything still subject to jealousy, hate and anger - such mundane characteristics paints a childish picture, an unparalleled pettiness.

The All powerful creator is so engrossed in human activities that it is busy fighting alongside humans, picking favorite humans, helping them kill each other, snoops around to see what these microbial entities are up to, gets angry when they masturbate.

needs praises and worship, even ready torture for it.

it is mind bugling how theism by itself reduced the God of its own very making into such a mundane, petty, puerile and puny concept, God is so vane that it bears a mark unbecoming of such a powerful cause for the cosmos.


The very idea of such a powerful entity being subject to emotions as anger, jealousy, sadness and a raging need for reverence and love brings God down to similar emotional vulnerability as humans.

Therefore such an entity cannot be said to be all powerful or all knowing, cannot be said to be perfect or stable.

An all powerful and perfect being would need nothing, perfection needs nothing because perfection is in fact beyond infinity. A circle is perfect at 360°, you cannot add 1° to stand if you remove 1° it ceases to be a circle.

that is the closest we can get in explaining perfection.

so what exactly does an all powerful God need anything for, what use is your sacrifice and supplications? If God is perfect and all powerful it means it cannot need anything, if this is so then your prayers, reverence, sacrifices, worship and undying piety is just as useless as the hair of a human in the dark.

For God to have a want, a need or demand be it in form or reverence, acknowledgment or worship rids it of any attribute of perfection or omnistatus.

It is a paradox to assert a God that is perfect and all powerful but still needs or demands anything - such a paradox only annihilates the subject therefore such a god cannot exist.

- either God is all powerful, perfect and needs nothing.

-or it is not all powerful or perfect and needs something.

Theism ridicules and demeans the very idea of God they conceive, it scales down the whole universe to a tiny point so shallow as the mind of the primitive humans that birthed Gods to explain it.

If there is an all powerful and all knowing creator of the cosmos, then theism with its ideas of what this entity is and should be would be an insult to it.

we are faced with the problem of universal causality, the very effects we witness all point to a single point of origin and this very lingering question thrills our minds to a quaking point, having to deal with more questions than we have answers to.

but i'd rather admit ignorance than resort to any preposterous answer with a comforting glamor.

In all this questions and ingrained bother, with the answers theism has provided in the person of God. speaking from a point of view beyond earth as the point of consideration; a cosmic perspective - i dare say and affirm.

Your God is simply too small and petty for this cosmos.

frank317:
How do i credit you when I post this on my Facebook wall? That's if i am permitted.

My facebook moniker... Johnysky Agbaeze

Kondomatic:
I wonder why nobody has been able to snap them when they're still in their animal form

asin eeeehn just see a strange old lady hanging around, batter her or kill her then say she was just a cat that passed few minutes ago.

Some people are morons

jejemanito:
Buh seriously I'm tired of seeing this guy 's head above every shoulder he stands with

From Lag to Abj and now Cali

E come be like say we no dey tall for this country

Johnydon22 and Fernandowski, abeg, make una go snap humility put for this guy body na

Hahahahahahahaha

UyiIredia:
You guys might want to try out Quora. Since it's an American based site the religious themes there are plenty and many are stimulating.

lets stick with the Nigerian brand

What is wrong with us?
How did we get this far?
How did it all get down to this level?

These were the questions that troubled my mind through out today as I looked with total dismay what primitive savages Nigerians have been turned into by our stubborn cling to disturbing superstition that contradicts reason.

My sadness was affirmed by the fact that I looked on at Africans doing what in every essence is unafrican, I looked on with untold horror at the blatant barbarism meted on the weak and frail, utter disrespect heaped on the head that bear grey hairs.

This is not who we are!
This is not how we used to be!
This is not what our culture is about!
This is not us!!

It is a common sight to see an old woman or a little girl being lynched by a mob of senseless youths in so many corners of the south with a preposterous accusation of “witches”
This pricking bother, a lingering pain in my mind was unearthed today as I looked on with horror at stories about old women that were supposedly witches littered all over the internet today.

Frail, old, weak and tired women naked and bloody from the sting of an unforgiving pack of morons led by fear and their simplistic clutch at demeaning superstition.

Shamed, beaten and let out in the open for all to feast their eyes filled with malice and unmerited anger.

It saddens me how we could be reduced to such outrageous state, a level that makes us no more than cave men with smart phones.

How did we get so Unafrican in the long run.

The African society boasts of a rich culture that reveres the old, respect the grey haired and protect the children.

Here we are on the cross road of history, we have turned on those deserving our protection, the grey hair of the aged becomes a mark that comes with undeserved stigma, a pointer that garners misplaced suspicion.

I will like you you to reason with me right now as you read this, ask yourself.

why is it that mostly old women and children are always at the center of most accusation on witchcraft?

we have thousands of politicians, none has ever being pin pointed as a witch and given the same treatment we so heartlessly met out on weak fragile creatures like old women and children.

Maybe being poor and old is now a pointer to being a witch.
Maybe being weak and vulnerable makes you more likely to be a witch.

I have many a time written against the dangers of superstition, I have at many times called out the disparaging effects of such beliefs – we are a generation of smart morons.

the inclusion of foreign beliefs, myths and superstition into our social structure has in so many ways damaged the very sanity of our societal form, disrupted the very foundation of our moral compass, we are riding on waves we are ignorant of, fools following blindly riding on the back of heavy propagandas filled with promises of post-humorous reward or untold horrors of an ever burning fire.

The very Europeans that we so sheepishly follow in belief and ideas made away with such degrading practice such as believing in witches, witch hunting, maiming or killing women or kids accused of witchcraft hundreds of years ago.

This is known to history as the dark ages.

In a world rocked by unprecedented boom in civilization, scientific breakthroughs and technological wonders, in the year Anno Domini 2017 Africans are still reenacting the very practices discarded as dark and undeserving of humanity.

We still have confined ourselves in a dark age that has been as a result of our inability to reason independently and objectively.

We still let undiluted piety to the charges of bible wielding con-men who prey on our fears and our vulnerability to make profits, we still let this piety run our thoughts and the way we see the world.

We still fill our world with so much fear and unhealthy suspicion that even harmless animals like cats, albino cockroaches are manifestation of witchcraft.

This is a lamentation on a generation that is so disappointing, a rotting society that is taken for ransom by unparalleled ignorance and superstition.

I only can hope that we realize the faults in our thoughts, the faults in our belief and the faults in our actions.

Lift ourselves above such primitive savagery and for once move along wit the time, the world waits for us no longer.

quite the complaining guys, let's get the page back on

Lmao

engineerboat:
So what is your question

You just had to quote the whole stuff to ask that question?

MrPRevailer:
To you everything that is not Technology is a lie.
Buy sense and sell it not.

This one is straight out of the arss nonsense

Here they go again, they have lynched a helpless old woman and accuse her of being a cat turned woman..

They damage these nonsensical beliefs hewn from western cultures, mythology and religions has done to us is unmatched.

Put into perspective the damage Christianity and Islam has done to the Nigerian society will take years to be repaired.

In Africa it is our culture to protect the weak, respect the aged and revere them.

Have you not noticed how the so called witches are always the weak and poor of the society? Old women and children.

Bunch of morons calling themselves youths.

i am back too, lets rock this place one more time..... for the new comers of this section feel free to snoop around our profile and check the threads we have already treated here.

MZLady39:
Johnydon22,
Hi...and you are?
Anyhow, thanks for schooling me about my ancestry

and i am Johnydon22 ma'am

adepeter26:
You never see anything... A typical Christian both online and offline would reply;

Actually you need to beg god to help you because the humans are so populated. How do you expect God to know you need help when there are zillion of humans on planet earth . Some prayers even dae cue and pending

then that murders omniscience... God cannot be omnipotence and omniscience without appearing to be either evil or indifferent which floats the deistic argument more than theistic.


because this also is a pointer to the epicurean argument:

MZLady39:
Adepeter26,
Hi,
I'm glad I happened to look on this thread! I didn't know my name was on there cause I didn't get a mention....
Well I've seen quotations like that before, but I can't make a person understand spiritual things (with all due respect).
Anyhow, I happen to pray to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob's God.

it just had to be a God that belonged to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, folks that had not the slightest business with you. the way we throw away our birth right for a platter of some jewish mythology baffles me, the God of Abraham, isaac and jacob needs more reverence than yours because some white folks had to beat our forebears into conformity.

Rest assured...He absolutely knows all..Omniscient (even before it happens & how it will all end)....

if God already knows all, this nullifies the need for prayers entirely. why would you need to remind an "already know all" God that you need help.

and if God knows exactly what will happen, don't you think praying for some other thing directly will mean asking God to go contrary to his foreknowledge or predetermined future.

I'm not God however, and cannot try to define how He chooses to allow this world to function.


I pray for His will to be done in all situations although I wish that no one would have to experience death, suffering or misery.
However we live in a world of sin...which unfortunately means that nothing...or no one..is immune.
Things will end at the appointed time....but for now (your friend "Lucifer" has been allowed to cause all of this havoc, chaos, misery, & death!
I know you'll disagree with me though.

ironically all the deaths, chaos, misty and havoc on this earth are caused by people remarkably with God's name ever on their pious lips

felixomor:
Someone looking fot answers will have to first prepare his brain for answers....

By the way it is questions that require answers,
Not sarcasm....

this one is just as much a question as any can be. if not for anything i see the question mark and the argument raised by the question sounds really valid.

it would definitely be appreciated if you could attempt answering

adepeter26:
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/cp0/e15/q65/p720x720/17621727_1356857757734413_9001271597814446214_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=7027a5ab65e3811381b06269d2d08ec9&oe=5958CD50
Cc Junia, Wilgrea7, enshy, felixomor, MZlady, etc
Cc Hahn, obinna58, hopefulLandlord, akintom, jonbellion etc Lalasticlala

supposing prayer works though it doesn't - remind me again why you'll need to

- beg an all good God to convince him to help you?

-remind an all knowing God that you need help?

felixomor:
The answet is simple;

Just as mathematics looks like foolishness to a newborn baby,
So also will the issue of prayer sound like foolishness to the brain of an atheist......


Very simple !

you didnt really give any answer, just evasion

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

The term "ANGEL" means "MESSENGER."

An Angelic Being is a TELEKINETIC COMMUNICATION made of LIVING ENERGY.

It is a WEAK being that HAS TO appear in person somewhere. A POWERFUL being SENDS A SPIRITUAL ENERGY DUPLICATE of Itself, to do whatever It wants. That is its Angel.

GOD DIRECTLY COMMUNICATES LIFE TO EVERY LIVING THING. Without this operation, nothing lives.

Spirit Beings have WAVELIKE PROPERTIES- so the INTERFERENCE between the "GOD-WAVE" and the "CREATURE-WAVE" creates a "WAVE-ENTITY" that is a Living Being in its own right- which is that creature's ANGEL.

ASSOCIATIONS of Creatures together creates such an INTERFERENCE-PATTERN ENTITY- which is also THEIR Angel.

This Knowledge can be used to control and guide Entities on the Eight Dynamics Levels, by manipulating one's Awareness Level.

what a really nice theory this is..

" touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm" is a line that the Nigerian business men or pastors utilize so well that you cannot help but applaud their evil genius unless you blame the simplistic moronity of the masses.

this is a catchy line used to garner preferential treatment and reap exclusive excuse from their own short comings - this will only thrive once the people chose to remain following sheep to these con men in roman collars clasping a bible in hand.

we should hold everybody accountable for the actions their exhibit as a social system.