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Myth!!!

I'd prefer catholic masses though, more peaceful and solemn especially the Easter vigil mass

why not become a Christian atheist: (for people who might not have heard that before) are atheist who still practise their christian religion mostly recognizing the teachings of jesus as a great teacher but lacks belief in any God.

A few of them believe God once was but dead..

e.g neatherlands 1 out of every priest or pastor is either agnostic or atheist and a good percentage of people that recognize as Christians or religious there also agree to be atheistic.

42% of protestants in neatherlands are non-theists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

Or catholic atheism: Being an atheist but still recognizes and practise the rituals and ceremonies of the catholic church while still agreeing unbelief in any God.

Teempakguy:
How did thread on newton's laws end up with discussions of abiogenesis?

Bros e tire me ooo

Johnydon, sir, keep up the good work. You are really trying for this section. Effort and inspiration and all.

Bosses Lalasticlala and mynd44 don't want to help us out though!

Joshthefirst:
This is quite foolish and contradictory if you as usual.

What meaning is there in an accidental worthless existence?

Have you heard of Foucault and Nietzsche and hemmingway?

One died of self gratification, the others of insanity and suicide. Chief atheists who came to real terms with the implications of their atheism.

You are the one who deserves pity, living a hopeless and futile existence

Hahahahaha we all know that which diminishes the human perception of their eventual worth and value and that is belief in a better existence somewhere else.

mentioning 3 atheist who committed suicide or anything does not help your case but rather a childish desperate clutch cus humans commit suicide on daily basis and most as worldly percentage are theists.

Or you want us to mention millions of theists who willfully sacrifice their today for a plater of wishful fantasy of another life?

Oh how wrong they have been

Holding a belief of a better paradise after here leaves you more bleak, makes this earth negligible and makes one more suicidal as it has been evidently shown in the millions of examples around where Such persons sacrifice themselves to attain a better place , as we have seen many times in staunch Christian/Muslim adherent, who sacrifice themselves for their beliefs because they think they are heading to a better place……

what a pity!!!

Neglecting the earth for paradise is like neglecting substance for shadow!!!

Joshthefirst:
I pity every atheist I meet, especially those who fancy themselves cool and swag and free, like johny.

Haaaaa such a punny childish display!!!

Joshthefirst:
So what is your minds definition of purpose and meaning as an atheist? And how does this transcend your accidental existence and the futile short meaningless of your life?

The childish card of cognitive dissonance does not help your case, so the circular assertions and repetitions will only make your arguments weaker.

this have been answered time and again.

My point and meaning of life as i have found myself in a human society is to blend as
part of the society i have found myself in.

Partake in everything life provides, savor the joy, pain, tears, needs, adventure and social bond, family, friendship..

the point is as i have found myself in a life i didn't ask for, i'd ensure i am happy with in while it lasts

This truth holds sway for me as a child of my own idea and a point birthed from my own perception.

An exciting meaning roped within the pleasures and eventuality of Now and here . a super reality devoid of wishful fantasy and wishful delusions.

I particularly love the bolded, a testimony of what a rare chance life is and only one who recognizes that can value life and the one but intriguing chance it provides.

There were more than 2million sperm cells at the moment of conception and each sperm cell would have resulted into a distinct individual, not considering maternal factor, mortality.

the chances of your existence is up to 1:5,000,000 when grand parent values are added and almost amounts to 0 when it goes further than 10 generations.

Yet you are here.

the lucky sperm cell out of 2,000,000.. It is an outstanding chance that you are here today and because you are up to 2,000,000 aren't.

that is an explosive reality, that you will die shows you are the lucky one because it means you got to live at all.

that 2,000,000 will never die cus they never got to exist. So make the rare chance count not chase greedily after another..

Now you talk about life being a 'rare chance'. Its obvious you're not being logical at all.

Does your life have intrinsic value and worth? As an atheist, you'd say no. So how do you value a life that is no greater life than that of a fly or goat? What's the point of your hard work when and art and athleticism when your life and the collective life of humanity is futile and has no real meaning or worth?

Your futile attempt at comprehension makes you quite slow at learning. Everything in nature is not a plan of nature, nature has no good or bad plan or a value better than the other.

You are a child of nature, a living breathing organism like every other.

The value or worth of your life is subjective to your own perspective, a goat certainly sees his life worth more than yours.

A tiny mosquito will murder you just to survive even though it's just an existence of a few days yet it values it more than yours of about 80 or 90.

Value remains a subjective child of a mind and differs from every mind.

I am an athlete because it is a vital aspect of Human sociology in an existence defined by humanity and societal interactions.

Many may derived meaning from isolation, every meaning is subjective to the conceiver.

No. Only one who looks for a better life will make the most of this one to ensure it. The suicide bomber is not a viable example as it is misplaced, the staunch religious adherent would rather die and wake to a glorious eternal future rather than relinquish his belief to live a purposeless and accidental existence that has no meaning or worth and is destined for annihilation.

Is this another way of twisting it? it still means same thing they throw this life away in a bid to ensure a better one.

exactly what i said, oh thanks for putting it better

The truth is so glaring and evidential.

You go through my response and show me how it was an emotional outpour. Smh.

So glaring

Unfortunately your flawed logic does not apply to the reality of human life and expectation. The real truth is that the power of an endless life is what makes life worth it. Look at those with too much money, the ones who throw it away in self gratification are those that believe you only live once. You cannot apply diminishing returns to human life. Concepts of the afterlife are not concepts of your very own purposeless and meaningless existence. We look to an eternity with meaning and purpose also. And a life of meaning and purpose is valued. An eternal life is not an eternity of accidental worthless nothing less for those who believe it.

Such an infantile attempt, the analogy not only applies but is seen in every aspect of human life and expectation.

Endless life makes a short one very negligible and deplorable, makes it seem worthless and bleak to the mind who holds such lunacy.

A complete denial of reality to maintain people who think they have $100,000,000 sees #1 as anything.

it doesn't even measure up to the margin of the concept of the afterlife fantasy and the present life.

Bolded is so laughable, the ones who do not spend their money do they believe they are taking it to the afterlife?

the value of an existence is not in it's limitlessness, rather in the eventuality of it's present existence which is the most important of all.

No you do not look to eternity for meaning and purpose, you only lack meaning and purpose for this one cus only someone who lacks one would look at something else independent of what he has for meaning and purpose.

Your desperate greedy clutch at the fantasy of an unlimited second life in order to derive meaning shows you are the one who cannot find value and meaning in your own self or in what you have.

That is a meaningless earthly life and i wonder why you are not yet ready to go over to the realm of bliss and purpose but clings to this one that is meaningless and pointless cus it is fleeting and diminishing.

Once again you say 'throw this life away' as if this life has any meaning or worth to you. Lol.

For you, who believes life is an accidental purposeless existence, eternal life might be hell. But for those who believe in purpose and meaning, eternity would be endless advancement and peace and release from suffering.

And we go at it again, people often like dragging others down their mess. I am the one who recognizes a rare chance life is and only such a person values such more ..

You are the only person who thinks you will pick up an unlimited life after this limited one therefore relegates the limited to a state of worthlessness.

a distortion of value evidently since we know RARE things earn more values in the human mind than Common thing.

I wonder if it is i who see life as extremely rare a chance and you who think it's something you just pick up another limitless after this who values life more ..lmao

Once again, you contradict your atheistic yourself in stating that while our lives are no better than mosquitoes or flies they have some value. Do you believe life has value or not? How can an accidental futile existence have value?

You know sometimes you tend to wonder how people like you learn in a classroom...
I have kept ringing like a bell here the subjectivity of value to distinct minds that conceives it.

Has shown that to a mosquito it's own life is more valuable to it than yours and it would kill you to show that in a bid to survive.

To a human his own life is more valuable and so it would kill the mosquito to ensure it's survival.

value is a child of the mind and differs from mind to mind according to their natural instinct of survival..

lets hope we do not see more cases cognitive dissonance

Again, it is only when you believe in value and purpose in life than an eternal life of value and purpose will make sense. You can't make an unending life make sense to a man who believes in futility. Thats like condemning him to hell.

It is abject greed and ego, infantile and childish fantasy. .

The value of something is not in a prospect of it lasting forever, it is in it's present eventuality.

I completely see no reason why one should waste his time struggling to get a car in this world that is abjectly meaningless compared to the eternal paradise of needless bliss.

why would you waste your time clamoring to acquire a house? why even study medicine?
Are you going to practise medicine in the afterlife? or live in the house you bought in the afterlife? or drive that car?

So since you think without afterlife this life is meaningless, why bother do all these things since you still won't practise, drive them in the afterlife therefore they are useless and unneeded.

it is evidently clear that the meaning in these things is in the Now and Here

if not why bother getting a car and house or even an education or eating food at all since they are all limited and won't transcend with you to that eternal realm therefore going by your laughable logic is pointless and meaningless.

Unfortunately as I have shown your fact is actually illogical nonsense.

Jesuuuuuuu... lmao i'm dead with infantile attempts? Naaah you are not up to it yet you can try again though

What's the point of a labour in life when all including labour is futile? Your life is not worth more than a dead chicken, so what's the point of living?

You see you always show that a belief in an afterlife diminishes the worth of this in the mind of a greedy human.

Have been said times and again, your labour in this life are as a result of your needs in this life and so all are rooted in the eventuality of your Now and Here not by an unlimited fantasy.

it is too sad that here is a human who cannot derive a point to his life (even when he didn't even ask for it but now selfishly asking for an unlimited one ) but ropes his point and meaning in a vague fantasy of another life to the negligence of the one he has.

don't pretend not have always see this, we all know you hardly can boast of an honest cognitive ability.

Your labours in this life is for this life, if there are no "Money" in human societal dealings you wouldn't labour for one.

if there was no need for food you wouldn't labour for food, your labours in life are as a result of the needs of this life.

it is an abject greed to hope for double reward for the effects of actions carried out for your own needs.

Look at how the bold contradicts your position again. Or do you believe this life has any real meaning rather than what we make of it? Which is in fact meaningless?

SMH.. Nature as a whole of which everything including life is part of is a random manifestation, unplanned and has no definitive schedule towards a desired end product.

Your opinion wasn't sort for before every came to be, even before you came to be so your delusive idea of a universal purpose remains as irrelevant as your own existence in a deep cosmos that won't even notice your disappearance.

The values of things are what we make them to be and still doesn't make them any special from every other manifestation of nature.. Just our idea.

Tell this to yourself and ask yourself how this statement makes your life more worthwhile than a mosquito's. This thinking takes meaning out of everything, especially this life.

Here we go again with the cognitive dissonance and willful playing the daft card... how many times am i to repeat it that worth is a child of a mind and subjective to distinct minds.

Just like a mosquito will place his own worth more than mine, i also do so because this ensure survival and continuation in a natural world that is riddled with competition and dangerous factors.

This is a simple mark of a natural manifestation dubbed Survival instinct……

When referring to nature in totality there is no V.I.P seat reserved for you in the list anymore than there are reserved for planet Mars.

we all are tiny units that make a whole that is Nature

Unfortunately your life remains pointless, as your reason for living denotes you do not even believe your existence is actually accidental, and your art meaningless, and your study purposeless and human advancement ultimately futile. Do you believe life has intrinsic worth or value?
You should take your belief to its logical end and context, so you do not write these long contradictory posts for nothing.

It has been shown time and again the one who regards his life to be pointless, the one who cannot derive meaning and value from that which he has but depends on assumed fantasy to provide an escape route.

that is very sad and bleak a not too good for our existence as it has been shown through out the world the way such persons behave and kill themselves to gain a paradise.

I still wonder what you are doing here though, why you've not rushed off the limitless and valueable paradise and leave the limited pointless earth behind, someone is not sure

we are still waiting for you to make sense though.

the quality of my eventual eternal life is determined by this one. And I want to fulfil the purpose of this life before I enter the next.
Everyone who ends this life considers it to have no answers and to be without purpose for him. Is that not what you believe? Why not end this meaningless existence now? Or end it after indulging in meaningless self gratification for a few years?

The unparalleled self degradation in order to accommodate a wishful greedy fantasy.. You need not degrade your own existence in order to assume up another.

The value of our life as a human mind derives is in our Now and Here and is not dependent in a wishful hope of another

Such greedy mindset of another better life makes nonsense out of this one life that people have that they abjectly neglect it to chase after their assumptive fantasy.

-The worth of the food we eat is not that it does not finish, it finishes and that is a fact and that makes it all the more valuable. each bite very delicious because it will never be here again.

-the value of loading a recharge is not defined by it's unlimited tendency, in the human concept of value such infinite value reduces in worth and value that it becomes pointless..

Following your infantile thought, there is no point eating since is finishes.. lol

As I have said, my time on earth is not a waste, as I have [b]purpose]/b], neither will my life in eternity be meaningless, because of same purpose. Purpose gives worth to life's actions, and makes eternity worth living for and sacrifice and labour worth it. What is your purpose and how does it transcend your meaningless accidental existence?

It is a complete waste your time on earth since you neglect it, you think low of it to swim in the delusion of another.

You greedily waste your precious rare time in a futile greedy chase of another.

I have always said humans are the most blind and deluded beings, they chase what they do not have while neglecting what they have.

Chasing after the shadow of another life while neglecting the only one they know of and are sure of which is NOW and HERE.

Purpose being a child of human mind is subjective and as an earthling that knows the value and the slim rare precious chance life is wasting it over pointless things like chasing for another is a show of lunacy.

How would one eat the food he is carrying when he is busy dragging and fighting to get the pot.

Partake in the Now and Here that you are sure of, the love, adventures, sex, craze, pain, joys, tears, happiness, sadness, hot and cold of the life you have, that eventuality makes it worth living and makes it worth the while.

My existence is worthwhile because I have purpose given to me by my creator.

Hahahahahaha a star shines and gives energy to a planet and without this there won't be any organism or you wearing an unmatched lunatic ego to boast of a more valuable existence.

without a star you won't be here but without you, a star is, will and always be so who is more deplorable and expandable here.

Lets assume a purpose giving creator, since stars ensures life that means this creator gave it a purpose that is directly responsible for yours of which without yours won't exist.

so you are more valuable ?

I have more value than a plant of course, I am a being with mind and self awareness.

Awareness simply is being responsive to the surroundings and plants have a photoresponsiveness to their surrounding..

You still have no case, it lives as you live.

In another way without a plant you won't be here today but without you there were, will and can be..

so your worth won't be here without them, you are directly dependent on their existence for survival but they are independent of yours.

Talk about value

Haaaa ego is a bad thing.

Your last question doesn't make any sense as I believe life already has meaning, while you think you don't.

Time doesn't give life meaning, purpose does.

Hahahahaha here goes the contradiction emanating from a childish stance.. Same you thinks that since life is limited (within a time frame) in this planet then it is meaningless.

and then still assumed up an eternal one in order to derive meaning without evening knowing that eternity is a product of time.

this what we get when you engage in a logical squabble so much above your level of deduction.

i ask a again..

-since the limited value of earth life makes you think it is worthless without an eternal one then at what number of time would it have existed to mean anything to you?

- how exactly does an infinite life equate meaning?

What is your purpose? If given an opportunity for eternal life would you not reach out anxiously to grab it?

Paradox of infinity, if there is an infinite number of something there is bound to
be an infinite number of repetitions in the infinite loop..if there is an infinite life,
it will be an existence of infinite repetitions

that is the most boring bleak and meaningless way to exist if you ask me. ..
but the greed in the need for another life clouds the human mind from thinking
the absurdity or the pointless bleakness in such existence.

the value of cold is in the hot, the value of up is in the down so too can there not be a life if there no eventuality of death.

a stone never dies cus it never lived....

Neglecting the earth for paradise is like neglecting substance for shadow

lekkie073:
some questions are better left unanswered .

Only a lie would shy away from scrutiny. . . Nothing deserves to be shielded from scrutiny and this cowardly way of dodging a question is absurd

Nawa ooo see architecture !!! This is incredible!!!

What do you mean Mysterious

Even here in Enugu it poured hard with strong winds too, even disrupted a wedding there is nothing mysterious about shiit just nature showing it's talent.

Or you think nature cares whether you have a wedding ceremony or burial of a politician before happening?

TastyTuoyo:
During my childhood days I was brainwashed by my Mom Dad, Sunday school teacher and pastor that God sent Adam and Eve away from the Garden of Eden because they ate a fruit from the the forbidden tree but that story was a big fat ugly lie.

Eating from the forbidden tree wasn't the reason God sent Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden the reason was that God dose not like competition or should I say God was afraid of a little Competition?


(Genesis 3:22-23 ): “And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he putforth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever


[23] And the Lord God sent him. out of the paradise of pleasure, to till the earth from which he was taken.”

Crystal clear right?

After eating from the forbidden tree ,God was afraid that they ( Adam and Eve) may eat from the tree of life. If Adam and Eve had eaten from that tree of life do you know the implication they would have acquired great powers and LIVED FOREVER.








Truly God has globcaom network eyes, very green..A very Jealous God.

To the parents, pastors, aunties and uncle reading this please tell the young ones the truth..Adam and Eve wasn't sent out because they ate the forbidden fruit, they were sent away because God does not like competition or better still afraid of a little competition.

Going from all the biblical stories ...

the biblical deity always seem to be a very insecure childish egoistic whimp ...

Universal creator Jealous of tiny creatures like man ... Haaaaaaa Joke has never been more clownish

Never trust people who know so well what God(s) want, i have always noticed it is always in coincide with their own reason and ideas.

Godgay:
yeah,the reason is that I have not seen any body explain my Bini philosophy in an intelligent way,all I see is barbaric practices and traditions.

You'd be surprise when what you find when you dig deep about your own indigenous philosophy contrary to the distorted views as propagated in this society saturated by adherents of other religions.

more over i find it so hypocritic how Christins frowns at some shabby practices as found in some African traditional religion but holds in high esteem similar and even worse practises found in the bible

there are not all old earth creationist remove the literal Adam and eve,as you know the bible is a collection of books written in three languages which ain't English, written over a period of 16 centuries, many old earth creationist who are not evolutionist interpret the "one day one night"as it is found in the original Bible as "yom" which because of the limitation of the old Hebrew language can mean a day ,a year or an infinite number of years.they are diversity of these believes so not all old earth Christians diminish the Adam story,even reading the English bible of genesis people draw up different theories

And now the bible becomes a subject of individual interpretations to sate every individual's assumption or need to belief.

no wonder Barnard Shaw said "No man ever believes the bible means what it says, they are all convinced it says what they mean"

this holds true as bane of the christian religion (conflicting doctrines emanating from conflicting interpretations of one text)

yea the multi-verse is still a dream like sci-fic until proven otherwise. trying to accommodate religious beliefs with science is not my kind of thing ,we are all still not sure how the universe developed the only thing am totally sure about is the existance of a deity,so I can't say am totally correct or my views are ultimate.
concerning the geanologies of Jesus connected to Abraham some people still have different views about that.

Fair enough though a genealogy is direct and not a subject to interpretations.

Joshthefirst:
Your sense of discernment should show you that life is meaningless without God and Divine justice and immortality. One proof of God is that he is behind the very rationalé of living.

I'll reply Johnny in a bit, but I've had conversations like this before, and if you're honest with yourself you realize that your casting aside God will only with a futile, accidental and meaningless life.

No i think you are the one that need to be honest with yourself and realize that it is a sad pitiable and bleak existence to hold a belief that without something/someone your life is meaningless and lacks point.

it deserves pity

You are the person who gives meaning and point to your life in coincide with your choice...

Since your own meaning and point is dependent on something/someone else, then it is a sad pitiable existence

Holding yourself to atheistic beliefs only leave you empty, suicidal, leaves grand atheists in a state of self gratification, insanity.

Pious deception and cognitive dissonance is at play again, actually the reverse is the case.

Holding a belief of a better paradise after here leaves you more bleak, makes this earth negligible and makes one more suicidal as it has been evidently shown in the millions of examples around where Such persons sacrifice themselves to attain a better place , as we have seen many times in staunch Christian/Muslim adherent, who sacrifice themselves for their beliefs because they think they are heading to a better place

That really is the complete mark of unparalleled insanity and self degradation

stop the lies.

There is more to life than the ropes of your beliefs, learn to see a life beyond that

Godgay:
let me be honest with u the Trinity doctrine is the most un understandable f**k I know,yea more like three in one at the same equally different and having its own different entities.on my christain worldview about the trinity as more like three different personalities who are ONE god like the father (which is not neccesary Yahweh but any name for a deity in any language,note Christians in middle east call god allah according to their Arabic dialect) ,son and holy spirit,

Bolded it is necessarily Yahweh, Yahweh is the particular name of that Christian deity which is of Jewish roots

God
Allah
are same word for "God" which is a lingual expression for any deity out there..

Just like Zeus is a name of a particular God, you can also call Zeus Allah in arabic, Allah is just an arabic word for God and God is not the name of any deity in particular.

So Yahweh is to the Christian God, as Zeus is the Hellenistic God ...

If a Christian ever says God, Allah the father in what ever language he/she is referring to yahweh.

It is also good to note that according to the Original jewish belief **from whence Christianity derived foundation** Yahweh is not seen as a member of a triune God office (trinity) or a manifestation of three (unitarian) but rather a sole lone God…

So this two beliefs differ, the original Jewish belief and the newer christian beliefs. .they've got different versions of the God yahweh..

the difference between polytheism and this worldwide is that the three essence of the trinity are ONE god that exist tri-centered form,while the Hindu polytheism worldview is the many gods belief.the Trinity is the nature of this ONE god

When you mention One God in nature as three it is a uniterian position... In trinity the three persons are separate, equally powerful, equal dominion and only 1 in their essence as God.

So it is still same as saying 1000 or 20,000 all are 1 in their essence as God ...

HIbreed:
spot-on. Why humans price their existence as more meaningful and deserving of an unlimited after life than the animals is beyond an average freethinker,you can be gored by a bull or lion in a fraction of a second without the animal feeling guilty of a crime. Our sense of smell and eyesight is not better than most animals and countless of natures gift they posses that dwarfs ours is unlimited.We are the product of the universe,being a human or animal,plant or organism does not give one an edge than the other,it is different form of existence.

A nairalander once asked me a question on BBM about life and meaning, he said

"Why is it that when a man kills a chimpanzee, it is not a crime but when a man kills another man it is a big problem, could it be humans are more valuable?"

my answer was same as i have said here before

[b]Value and meaning is determined by the observer and is subjective to distinct minds that conceives it.

In a Chimpanzee park, if a Chimpanzee kills another Chimpanzee it is a big problem but if a chimpanzee kills a human, it not a problem because they have no value for a human.

does this mean Chimpanzees are more valuable?

No.

Value is subjective..

To the Chimps their own existence is more valuable and meaningful that they find it ok to murder us without a second thought or remorse.

Just as to us our own existence is more valuable and meaningful and we can also kill a chimp and there is no problem.

so which is more valuable since both holds his existence more?

this is just natural "survival instinct" there is no point or goal to what nature does in totality.
(An asteroid can crash right into New York without minding the people living there)

A chimp would value a banana more than gold while the reverse holds true for a man.

So value is always dependent on the perception of the mind that conceives it. ..[/b]

Their delusion stems from that ego that their own perception is the bench mark for measuring value and not that of every other.

that is ego speaking not reality!!!

Godgay:
don't get it twisted the multiverse theory is great but CAN not be observe is just a proponent ,

Correct it cannot be observed brother only if somehow we observe a wormhole in the macro level which still doesn't guarantee it will lead to a separate universe and not another part of ours.

the observations that gave rise to Multi-verse is

-Proportion of dark matter
-Weakness of gravity
-maybe our universe is one out of a collection of other like our galaxy is 1 out of many.
many others.

But that doesnt make it correct. . . and really i do not pay mind to it when people interpret a little part of their "holy book" to reconcile with a scientific thesis and claim his religion already knew that.

nemesis is not the only person to have ever done this, Christians and muslims do it like everyday

please if you know of any way it can save my ignorance, it is believe by a lot of anti deity people,the thing about the Christian view of the age of the earth just Christianity is diverse with many branches so they are both young earth creationist ,old one's and even theistic evolution ,

A young earth creationist is one that follows the bible literally, they derive their "earth age" from calculations of generations from ADAM to NOAH to ABRAHAM and to JESUS which is just 4k years and then to this present time sums it up to 6,000years.

so anybody who believes Adam and eve story is literal should also hold that age of the earth to be true since the earth is barely 6days older than Adam.

Old earth creationists are those that tries to incorporate scientific findings into their religious beliefs to make it more accommodating to the modern world.

to do that you'd have to fault the Adam and even story though, call it a metaphor or allegory and if that is true then 'Jesus died for an allegorical sin of adam' that makes nonsense out of the Christian belief.

its a tight corner though.

Hinduism is nice never the less but I heard it also said elephants are the reasons for earth quakes,please confirm this, and throw more light on karma law.

I'd like if we paid more mind to our own traditional religion and philosophy..

Karma law is like Newton's third law of motion "for every action there is an equal reaction"

or igbo adage "ihe onye metera oburu" (what you do, you carry)

or the biblical passage "what so ever a man sows, he reaps"

Godgay:
yes I am a monotheist,the trinity is different from polytheism,I get your point, the triune God can be liken to a God with three centers of consciousness but the poly-God(s) are separate entities like different people, the truine god is much like a god with different parts (not bodily parts of course)

I doubt this, this is a unitarian theology not a trinitarian theology.

In the theology of trinity, the three persons in the triune are separate distinct entities, equal in dominion and 1 in their essence as God.
A trinitarian recognizes that Yahweh, Jesus and Holy spirit are three different/separate persons.

Only a unitarian would say that the three heads of God are not distinct entities but 1 being manifesting in three ways. maintains that Yahweh, Jesus and H.S is actually 1 entity...

So know the difference my brother, if you agree on trinity then you recognize a setting of 3 separate beings in essence as God..

that is not any different from Poly-theism or Heno-theism

Cc.lalasticlala Mynd44

frank317:
Thanks Johnny for apt and precised replies to Joe. Life is only interesting and sweet because death exist. Joy is only a sweet experience becasue of pain.
If Joe was honest, he would have thought through his questions before throwing them out.
Everything, Christians pray for a better life here, they want to drive big cars, live in big mansions, eat good food. Infact, the reason why they are religious and would pay their tithe is becasue they expect a better life from their God.
Yet these are people who believe in a far far far more better after life. So why is this life so important to them when they just 'passing' through? Why pray against death when it's even a transition to a better place?
To answer Joe's question I might say I don't want to dies becasue this is the only life I have got and I want to live so as to have the opportunity to enjoy it more.
Therefore, I love, struggle, write and do everything I do just becasue they contribut in making my short life sweeter.

I completely see no reason why one should waste his time struggling to get a car in this world that is abjectly meaningless compared to the eternal paradise of needless bliss.

why would you waste your time clamoring to acquire a house?

why even study medicine?

Are you going to practise medicine in the afterlife? or live in the house you bought in the afterlife? or drive that car?

So since he thinks without afterlife this life is meaningless, why bother do all these things since you still won't practise, drive them in the afterlife therefore they are useless and unneeded.

it is evidently clear that the meaning in these things is in the Now and Here

I once told a Christian pastor who was telling me how all riches were vanity that people would still die.

i said

"Poverty also is vanity since you would also die, so since we are not dead yet i'd like to be rich and enjoy it while it lasts "

The meaning of life is in the HERE and NOW..

the point in a car is not that it lasts forever, it doesn't. the point in it is that you got to use it at all for that brief time of it's activeness.

the point in loading a card is not that it is limitless, that is nonsensical. the point in it is that you got to use it at all.

It is infantile that people cannot derive meaning in their life except it is roped around a vague shadowy concept of paradise and reward.

that to me is a bleak and sad existence in essence.

there is every point and meaning to life as given by the human mind (we are the point givers, nature in totality does not plan, care or schedule it's dealings or have a point, it just happens)

it is sad that some humans have chose to rubbish, waste their Now and Here over a greedy chase of a vague unsure second unlimited life.

Mosquitoes live for 9days, fowls not more than 10 years, dogs not more than 20 etc.

but in their delusive ego and insecurity, only humans deserve a second life and what makes it even absurd is the selfish need for an Unlimited one.

Paradox of infinity, if there is an infinite number of something there is bound to be an infinite number of repetitions in the infinite loop..if there is an infinite life, it will be an existence of infinite repetitions

that is the most boring bleak and meaningless way to exist if you ask me. ..

but the greed in the need for another life clouds the human mind from thinking the absurdity or the pointless bleakness in such existence.

Neglecting the earth for paradise is like neglecting substance for shadow

Having a good talk with the pastor over beer is better than going to buy jewish myths with your money

Dekatron:
hey geniuses. . . . I am.not dead yet


Anyway. . . . It means both would stop to exist. This would happen as a BIG EXPLOSION or they simply disappear/cease to exist.


If matter and anti-matter meet, they would both disappear or cause a massive explanation. The reason I am compensating both scenarios is that they both involve contrasting xters (immovable is directly opposite unstoppable, because you need UNSTOPPABLE FORCE TO MOVE IMMOVABLE OBJECT. Lol. Okay, you dig me? ). They both have infinite vector magnitude (direction and lemme just say velocity- derivative of our equation - say we were given in quadratic form. . . and immovable has a position in space with infinite mass) . so na why I compared with matter and anti-matter.





SO I BELIEVE THEY BOTH DISAPPEARED or EXPLODE!! no crucify me abeg. My physics get K-LEG!!


Teempakguy, I never see you o . . johnydon22,oya crucify my comment and others too should.

unstoppable moving an immovable is still improbable since it is also like saying the immovable is needed to stop the unstoppable.

If an unstoppable can move an immovable then it was not really immovable in the first place.

same holds true if immovable stops the unstoppable

it is paradoxical ..

Annihilation of both solves the paradox

It is quite paradoxical which can only be solved with complete annihilation of both values.

the unstoppable force colliding with an immovable force will create an equal amount of impact and effect on both forces ..

So if you say both have an infinite mass/energy and still can't shatter due to closely packed molecules.

the equal amount of effect created from the impact with also equal to infinity and so is enough to cancel their infinite values and enough to shatter them.

-It is either the immovable force move in order to withstand the infinite shock of the impact and the unstoppable force gets bounced towards a different direction (though if i understand correctly you imply cannot happen but it has a fixed unstoppable direction)

If the immovable force cannot move and the unstoppable cannot stop or change course then the equal infinite amount of resulting force from the impact is enough to cancel both values and Boom both are annihilated ..

Godgay:
okay you win,maybe its because of my monotheist background,anyways nice talking with you

It's not about winning, our discussion is not about a winner there is no price for it so there is no need for such.

Just a discussion that involves critical philosophical questionings that's all..

Nice talking to you too

Godgay:
yea mehn 10000 gods are alien civilizations that will work out well for alien fans but when we talk an intelligent designer I don't think there can be 100000000 intelligent designers, well you knows?,talking of extraterrestrial beings,they can be classified as aliens civilizations who exist but haven't had contact with us probably because when they look at us they see 2000 years of our past so to say,or they are probably located deep in the cosmos,now I don't know your view of god,but I see the concept of "god"more like an intelligent designer and like I said earlier they cant be numerous intelligent designers.Hinduism some how similar to Buddhism view their god like more of a spirit source that affect every cause and effect in the world

Humans are intelligent designers too yet there are 7,000,000,000 of them, so why not 1 human going by what you think there should only 1 in a kind of being capable of intelligent design.?

Since there are 7,000,000,000 humans and yet they are intelligent designers not also affirm that 100,000,000 God(s) also can be intelligent designers even more efficient that just 1.

That there can be only 1 intelligent designer faults all your thinking here since number does not limit intelligence or design but rather makes it even better ..

So again why can't there be 100,000,000 supreme intelligent designer eternal God(s) and not just 1 lonely being.

Do you think 1 makes any less an assumption than a million of them?

Godgay:
am fascinated by the many gods,but something don't just feel right about,I would love to visit India to see Hindu people and their culture, I admire it I don't just feel cool with it,am sure there is a being somewhere out there but when you a situation of 1000 gods?,haba,kilode wentin seft, any way I will try to keep am open mind to his many gods religion,but the ways these guys love elephants ehh

If there can be 1 why can't there be 1000 or 1,000,000? same way it doesn't sound absurd there is no 1 human but 7billion.

so too should it not sound weird to you that there may be up to 10,000,000,000 Gods even an not a lone single one ..

Godgay:
so how many gods do u guys have?,I don't like polytheism

Hahahahahaha but come to think of it, if there can be an eternal supreme being why then can't they be an entire race of such beings?

How should it be just one and not two, three or a thousand?

One is no less an assumption than 100

0rex:
You are right. I have noted my error. It would be nice if homosexuals don't go shoving the act in people's faces though... at least for now or... ever.

Would it be also nice if we Heterosexuals don't go shoving the act in people face too?

What is good for the goose i'm sure you agree is also good for the gander ...

nspodcast1:
Sin is relative. In religion, sin is considered to be something harmful either to self or to another. In the case of homosexuality, it harms no one.

No this is incorrect, In religion sin are actions that goes contrary to the word of the particular God that religion worships as spelled in their holy books or codecs..

Sin also varies from religion to religion (subjective according to the charges of their distinct God(s) )

That a religion however considers something to be a sin or righteous does not add or remove to the moral weight of such action.

UyiIredia:
It's still that same special kind of silly that makes one think it's a valid scientific theory as opposed to a thoroughly failed one.

Again agreed when one understand what science is and how it works .. Good one Brother!!!

Carry On!!!

UyiIredia:
I have to say. It takes a special kind of stupid to believe in evolution.

Lol agreed!!!

If only it was a "belief" though

there is no need to "believe in" a scientific thesis, it is neither a dogma or doctrine..

Joshthefirst:
Does this mean nothing has any meaning? Including life? If this is true what is the point of life and society and existence?

As i said earlier, "meaning" is a child of "human mind" there is no direction or goal to natural manifestations.

So the point of "life" or "existence" how ever you put always will be a child of human mind, a human idea.

Your permission was not asked for before things became as there are, so obviously your idea of point, meaning is barely as relevant as you are in the cosmos.

Society is a collection of human interactions so it's meaning and point rest sorely in the definition of humans.

Why are you an athlete and I a student doctor and frank a writer? What is the point of science and education and human advancement? When it all ends in futility? What is the point of love and hope for the future when we will all die in the end? Better to indulge in meaningless self gratification then? And commit suicide when meaningless life tires us.

I gave a good example with a plate of food, that a plate of food will eventually finish does not limit it's worth or value (which also are human ideas).

following this line of thought you probably should not eat that food at all since it eventually finishes.

the worth is not in the limit as a matter of fact limit ensures value (Gold is held higher than iron because it is of more limited deposition than iron)

So your mention of human discipline and asking for their point, their point lies within the "human society where in they are necessary"

the point in our varying professions as defined by human society is in the NOW of our existence not later.

the point of me being an athlete is in this Now if it was unneeded in the human society you wouldn't bother be one.

so the point of it is not in the assumptions of another life but in the eventuality of the one you have and where you are.

One who recognizes the limit of life and it's rare chance to me is the one that will value life more.

Only one who thinks and wishes for something greater will dispose the smaller, a typical example is the Extremist suicide bombers or Staunch religious adherents who would rather die than relinquish their beliefs all the while expecting a better place and reward.

That shows that belief in a better life than this actually is the idea can diminishes the meaning of life to the human mind (since meaning is a human idea)

Very incorrect and even unfortunate.

The knowledge and power of an afterlife is what makes this worth living well

Consciousness of immortality in a next life gives the present life meaning.
I know that my present love for music and my art and my love for people and even science and God is not futile, because of the promise of everlasting life where I will be rewarded for standing up to various challenges of this life, where mankind will be free to dominate creation forever.

Immortality doesn't make life futile, its promise makes life richer, gives life meaning, promises a reward for sacrifice, promises justice.

I was hoping that i be shown how it was incorrect but i only get an emotional outpour.

Go through it again

The assumption of an eternal life is actually the idea that makes this life
meaningless.

An unending life makes 100years look like nothing, how would one value
1naira when he thinks there is $100,000,000 waiting for him in an account.
so too can one not value the 100, 80 or less years of human existence in
contrast to 10000000000000000....years of a fantasy afterlife.

So the "meaning" of life lies within the limits of life and that "meaning" is
rubbished by the concept of another unending life waiting somewhere else.

it so degrades the worth of the present life to a human mind that they willingly throw this life away in a chase and hope of getting another.

This has been shown to be a dangerous fantasy in the examples of extremists who would throw this one chance at life away in a wishful hope of getting a better eternal one in paradise.

Only someone who holds such belief will find his life and existence so deplorable that is can be ended without a second thought because a glorious everlasting paradise awaits.

As it has been show nobody who think they have $1000000000 will ever value they #1 they actually have..

the sparks and glories of the paradise dwarfs that of the present world that people see this as doomed, marked for end, meaningless and wasteful.

such belief makes people view this life as meaningless and deplorable

No. Very logical and promising that I know my labour in this life will not be in vain, and will be rewarded in the new one. Very hopeful and good that the suffering of this life will be eradicated in the next one. Very good that the injustice in this life will be dealt with in the next.

Your labours in this life is for this life, if there are no "Money" in human societal dealings you wouldn't labour for one.

if there was no need for food you wouldn't labour for food, your labours in life are as a result of the needs of this life.

it is an abject greed to hope for double reward for the effects of actions carried out for your own needs.

I am not merely an organism. I say I'm a being. I have a greater consciousness than a mosquito or a goat. I have 'mind'. That changes everything.

One truth stands out that no matter how much you try to twist a simply fact and believe that twist, it never ceases to be Fact.

You are an organism, a manifestation of biological interactions, you have no greater consciousness but rather greater Intellect as judged by human criteria.

a bird has the ability to build a nest so precisely, it requires a calculative mind, intellect and a good knowledge of geometry.

Every specie with the utilization of a nervous system has a "mind" only differs in their level of application as defined by need and Mechanisations.

So "Mind" changes nothing since all can boast of one.

Your emotions are no different from what every other specie out there feels.

It is disconcerting that you would call one who seeks a greater and more blissful life of eternal fulfillment selfish and greedy.

Very greedy and selfish that you are not done with what you have already
wishing and clamoring for an unlimited one.

What about you? What is the point of your life? How are you different from a mosquito or a fly? What makes you continue on in an accidental troublesome existence? I daresay hope is your answer, but tell me.

Here "Point" as i have mentioned before is firmly rooted as a product of human mind.. so my point of life always will be of my own idea and will not hold sway for every other specie out there.

None ever asked to be born neither will any ever be asked to be

My point of life as i have found myself in a human society is to blend as part of the society i have found myself in.

Partake in everything life provides, savor the joy, pain, tears, needs, adventure and social bond, family, friendship..

the point is as i have found myself in a life i didn't ask for, i'd ensure i am happy with in while it lasts

This truth holds sway for me as a child of my own idea and a point birthed from my own perception

A mosquito exist just as i do, so too does a tree saying which is more important will be on whose ground ?

Mine?

I am sure a mosquito will also show otherwise, it prizes it's own life more than yours that is why it doesn't mind hosting on you for survival even if it means you will die.

-Oh what makes me continue with this existence? its very simply, i didn't ask for it, i found myself in it and i found it very intriguing and interesting and i'd love to see it as much i can..

Family, social bonds, sex, study, food, science, social interactions, adventures, craze, truth, awe of things that are to be known and seen millions of reasons why i love to stay alive, lots of things that i have through the connections of their dots derived a meaning to my own life.
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so now my own questions

-Since there is a better place waiting for you infinite times greater and better than here, what exactly are you still doing here? why not go there immediately without delay?

- why waste your time over earthly wants since they end in earth and you transcend to a realm of needlessness and satisfaction.

-Is your own existence different from others and in what way is it judged and by whose standards?

-is your existence more meaningful than that of a star? a planet or asteroid out there or some small green plant in your backyard?

How?

-To what extent would life on earth or the universe have lasted before it becomes meaningful?