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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:23pm On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
Actually if I was a atheist I wud be lost in a world of confusion, holding on to my own opinion.

Actually i'd rather get lost in my own opinion knowing fully well my opinion is of my own making than get lost in someone else's opinion claiming to be that of some unfounded deity..

wat if I was born in Nazi Germany or ISIS Iran, I'm pretty sure they wud disagree with u completly on wat right nd wrong.

Am sure you have no idea what is called Societal ethics that is why you are laying out this type of nonsensical defence..

And yes same way the Christians who burnt Heretics, Muslims who behead people think they are doing good for God.

You still cannot define for me your standard for moral determination, i can define mine for you if you are too afraid to own up to yours unless you don't have any..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 2:56pm On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
No u wrong If u implying all serials rapist's think like that.

There are some rapists wu think rape is OK.

For people like you i strongly recommend religion honestly... I am 100% in agreement that you hold on to religious basis of morality because if someone like you happen to turn atheistic you might be a serial killer and not see anything wrong in that..

Can you define for me your basis of moral determination.. (Personal basis if you have any, just like i can define mine for you.. )

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 2:37pm On Nov 15, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Your thinking too far - more like a preemptive for a supposed attack

But either way the Christian God - this should be clearer now - is an alien right ?

Actually you brought up the Alien Gods hypothesis just now so that was my question you should answer.

When you say "God" here what do you mean by it..

Extra-terrestrial life forms that probably seeded the earth also inhabitants of this universe (Like ifenese think)

or

An infinite value of universal Causality with anthropomorphical attributes...

Choose one so i will know which of the God concepts am addressing.. You should decide which category the Christian God belongs to

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 2:30pm On Nov 15, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Not really

They would refer to us as their creators/makers and yes aliens (kind of ) . Would you refer to God as an alien - an extraterrestrial being ?

It depends on what you call God...!!! If by God you are shifting the goal post to Ifenese extra-terrestrial theory of seeding the earth, then those are Aliens which in turn remains an unproven hypothesis and also their own origin becomes a subject of question.

But if by God you refer to an infinite value of Universal Causality then you give it Anthropomorphical attributes, thats the part the story becomes a different thing all together.

So take a pick... Gods in this case, Is it the Extra-terrestrial inhabitants of this universe just like us..

Or an anthropomorphical humanoid that caused the universe... ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 2:21pm On Nov 15, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Let me ask you this :

When humanoid robots finally get minds of their own if the mystery of consciousness or self-awareness gets unraveled in artificial intelligence, how do you think they would see us . Perhaps we send them to another "Earth-like" planet as an experiment to emulate social order , adaptation or whatever , how do you think they would refer to us as ?

Aliens..

So you saying Gods are just Alien life forms that seeded the earth?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 1:31pm On Nov 15, 2015

oglalasioux:
There is a God who sparked the big bang. There is a God whose power is setting the universe on course. What I don't believe in is the religions. They are all scam. I'll rather let physics and mathematics lead me to God than let a deranged cleric get me more confused. I'll rather follow the scientists as the true prophets of God than someone who only predicts disasters.

In this case one might deduct that need to evaluate what you refer to as God is very vital..

It can be energy as a quantum value, gravity or other forces responsible for universal causality, manifestations, laws of physics as we know them..
(Even though there are other many places laws of Physics are meaningless in this universe affirming nature has no one way of manifestation...

So we should check and see what really is being referred to as God here..

forces and values of universal causality or anthropomorphical humanoids somewhere in a mansion..?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 1:08pm On Nov 15, 2015

naijapips02:
i sighted the example of the Mr who started preaching at the ripe age of 12. Going by your analogy, it means that the number of christians are overtly overated. Who then are the christians? if a REV, a Pastor, A Preacher is not a christian, who then is? How do we know these? Does committing atrocities make them any less of a christian? are there christians that don't commit atrocities? What really are you yapping about?

Its simple, who ever that does not conform to his own idea of morality is automatically not a christian..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:59pm On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
I also thought atheism is not a religion
But these atheists are proving me wrong.

Is THEISM (Belief in God) a religion?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:57pm On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
Haha nw u hate it
Its not wrong according to u right ?

You don't really have an idea what defence to bring up right?

Cus this thread is very open... My question was..

Why is it that the new testament agreed with the old on homosexuality and not on burning daughters of wayward priests.

And oh yes... What i find right or wrong are actions towards one another and not who people choose to sleep with or do in their bedroom with mutual consent.... its not my business.

You really have no idea how to keep up a discussion... dabbling into different premises shows you off to be quite naive on that..

why not stick to the subject of our discussion ...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:54pm On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
u still with this OT , NT stuff , every time u speak about the bible it makes me wonder wat is the level of ur research on the bible.

The idea here is Both the Old and New are alleged words of Yahweh...

For there to be need to discard the old laws and make a new shows the old one was wrong and needed to be changed.... So Yahweh got the first law wrong?

The way you are struggling to distance yourself from these old testament laws. could it be that you find the old testament yahweh a little disturbing?

Forget research about the bible or every other ancient religious texts out there, you wouldn't know much of any of them anyway.

So the question now is... How come you find the old laws not worth keeping, how come it had to be changed..

Could it be Yahweh changed his mind or the ideas of the people who speak for Yahweh changed..?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:48pm On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
Lol John are u cool with sex with men , cuz it seems its bothers u the bible condemns it?

No not at all... I am straight so personally i hate homosexuality.... We were only comparing societal ethics here please don't drag it into something else entirely..

We were only checking how come you agree with some old testament laws and disagree and discard others..Please do not pull out unrelated discourse..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:40pm On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
The ancients had moral codes cuz they understood they had needed something to judge people.

exactly the point, if people didn't live together as a society there wouldn't be need for moral codes or societal ethics.

Humans becoming social beings saw the birth of ethical codes for a pleasing mutual societal interactions.

I wouldn't blame you for thinking a deity was the progenitor of these codes..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:38pm On Nov 15, 2015*

Richirich713:
Yes God has a lot to do about, cuz my argument was religion should be used to judge people, wat religion?
I no u no I'm christian nd it should be obvious that I believe the my religion came from GOD.
Are u really that slow, that I have to inform I GOD has a lot to do with the argument.

You have already agreed human morality is independent of religions like you rightly agreed above.

You have only furthered to affirm that only those who lack independent moral basis in conformity to pleasing societal interactions will need religion or Politics (Laws of the state) to ensure that.

Hahahaha please don't be aggressive...

In fact the very fact that the new and old testament moral tilt differs drastically even though all allegedly from the same Deity is enough for all to see these are people speaking for these deities..

Exactly people need moral codes.

Am so happy you agree to the other God concepts in the picture though you go against the bible by agreeing to these other Gods..

Yes it is old testament stuff nd NT stuff.

For the simple fact that you need to hide behind the old testament laws in order to discard these laws shows these laws drastically goes against your own ethics or idea of moral actions. . . .You think God got it wrong the first time..

If he didn't there wouldn't be need to change it

Lol its has to be 2 different Yahweh's, haha

Or the idea and societal expectations and timeline of the people who speak for Yahweh changed... Could it be that.?

we wouldn't know...

Clearly showing u don't no wat the new testament teaches about the old testament laws.

Oh maybe even more than you do cus i know the Council of Jerusalem was responsible for discarding most jewish laws for the gentiles.

I don't agree with homo's cuz the NT says it's evil.

Hhmm and we keep wondering how the new testament agreed with the old on homosexuality and skipped burning priest wayward daughters or murdering unbelievers..

God changed his mind i suppose..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 12:01pm On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
And this is where ur beliefs come in, there's no God, so bible must have been written by men who just said a God said it.

Hahahahaha are we still going over this? I have not mentioned the existence of personal Gods here you keep bringing them up..

So should we also take it that other moral codes that predates even the old testament are also from the different God concepts of the cultures they are found in?

Like Hammurabi code
Code of Narsim
Maat
Code of Uruk...

There are many ancient moral codes found in every culture and civilization, should we also conclude these codes are the words of the different God(s) of these civilizations?

U don't even believe in God, so to u the bible is just lies by men.

[b]
Not believing in a God is not synonymous to saying the bible is a lie anymore than saying Code of Uruk are lies by men... There are many parts of the bible or the Hammurabi code that i agree with

You see for such code to claim the involvement of a deity, it shows to be much shallow and rooted in preexisting codes and most times is not compatible with a 21st century ethic.. Morality or societal ethics remains a social construct that differs from society to society.

E.G The word of God (bible) said it is ok to burn a wayward daughter of a priest to death (Don't give me it is in the old testament stuff because unless you agree the old testament and new testament yahweh are different deities then i would take you serious on that.. )

So why are you not doing this, why is it you don't like homosexuality just like the old testament asserts but don't agree with it when it comes to burning wayward daughters of priests..

For God to allow such laws show he thinks such law is moral, how come even you do not agree to the moral idea of this God and you most times discard these laws of God that are not in coincide to your own ideas of moral actions [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 11:44am On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
And that's where the problem comes, u believe I'm just following man's opinions cuz to u there's no God.

Last i checked here i have not mentioned the actuality of Personal Gods on this thread.

You only believe the dictates of these men because you also believe they are the dictates of God.

It is a circle of moral dance... Bible said (written by man) -----> (You believe bible is word of God) therefore God said -----> Then you obey.

I myself can also draft out my own idea of moral code and say God said it..

Last i checked there is no moral code in the bible that have not been present in older philosophies in different cultures and religions in different timelines.

And there are also many chargers of this word of God that spells abject barbarism in the name of a moral code that you yourself can never bring yourself to carry out... why is that..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 11:40am On Nov 15, 2015

naijapips02:
No! i wanted to show him how silly it was to open a thread on who deconverted to what.

I myself have been a christian before, even more so than most people on this board. . . There is nothing special about someone loosing faith or finding it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 11:35am On Nov 15, 2015

naijapips02:
have you heard about the 'common good' ?

Common good like morality itself is a societal construct and so differs from society to society in conformity to their mutual interactions or autocratic dictates of an elite class of moral progenitors or leaders..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 11:32am On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
No u can distinguished according to ur views

Good now i am glad you have agreed someone can have a moral standard with or without religion which has murdered your assertion of asking how to determine morality without religion... Hope you can correct yourself accordingly..

It is called INDEPENDENT MORAL BASIS in conformity to human social interactions..

but it's only going to be ur opinion.

And the doctrines of moral dictates you now follow as a Christian or so are they not also Opinions of the progenitors of such doctrines?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 11:28am On Nov 15, 2015

naijapips02:
in response to winner01's allusive thread on atheist converting to Christianity.

Are you in any form of competition with anybody on who deconverted to this or who converted to that?

The position of being atheistic is not a religious position but rather a position of unbelief in God(s) so equating that position with converting to a certain religion is totally uncool and uncalled for.

This is not a competition, people find FAITH people loose it to subscribe to honest skepticism and intellectual honesty and curiosity people also find Faith even after being atheistic, it is a matter of psychological tilt of the subject..

It is not a competition, so i would say this thread was totally unnecessary..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 11:24am On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
Yes to some people it will be no problem.

Please my question was directed to you not to some people... Without religion You cannot distinguish between what you find to right or wrong in relation to human interactions?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 11:16am On Nov 15, 2015

Richirich713:
And then wat should we judge man's actions on?

How do we know what is good and what is not?

Just one question. . Are you trying to tell me that without religion you wouldn't know murdering your child is wrong?

You trying to tell me you cannot distinguish between what you find to be right from wrong in relation to human interaction without religion... am curious

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Christianity Etc › Re: Popular Christians That Converted To Atheism by johnydon22(m): 11:14am On Nov 15, 2015

Seriously whats the meaning of this thread?

There is no big deal in people loosing religion or finding religion, it all depends on finding Faith or loosing faith..

upholding faith or discarding it... i wonder why you find it ok to open a thread on people who deconverted from religions as if it is a big deal or there is a race for such feat

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Politics › Re: Muslim Hero Who Probably Saved Hundred Of Lives During The Attack In France by johnydon22(m): 10:38am On Nov 15, 2015

[b]

- Muslims are people

- Islam is a religion

-Islamism is a theocratic political ideology that seeks to be governed by the sharia.

- Jihadists use military and forceful violence to achieve Islamism around the world.

- Jihadi terrorists are militant jihadists who attack everyone including civilians mostly.

-ISIS, boko haram, al queda are Muslims militant islamist jihadi terrorists...

These people are kind of following Islamic fundamentals, to the muslims if you find your religion's fundamentals and those who follow them to be disturbing and you don't find it right to follow the fundamentals of your religion then there is something wrong with your religion's fundamentals, in fact everything is wrong with it..

Who said Islam is not the cause? last i checked Islam is the reason why there are muslims and muslims are the reason why there are Islamist which in turn is the reason why there are jihadists and which in turn births terrorism..

Something is wrong with Islamic fundamentals[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Deliberately Ignoring The Atheist??? by johnydon22(m): 4:18pm On Nov 14, 2015

geesampower:
What wirinet wrote there says it all. Existence of God may not be the real issue but what we call god.

Exactly the point... That is the question that always arises in the midst of arguments for causality

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Deliberately Ignoring The Atheist??? by johnydon22(m): 2:38pm On Nov 14, 2015*

wirinet:
We are basically saying the same thing. Everything is made up of Energy and all we observe and experience are different manifestations of this energy. Now if you choose to call this energy "GOD", i have no problem, but what i quarrel with is labelling a Jewish Man sitting on a throne, bothering his head about how we praise and worship him, God.

[b]

Exactly the point. . . . If by God one is referring to an infinite value of universal causality - Energy, matter, gravitational singularity or effects. . . Then that is absolutely ok ..

But when you make an anthropomorphical personifications of these values.

-God becomes a humanoid who has a mansion somewhere
-Has a son
-Like jews more than others
-Is so insecure that it gets jealous
-Cluelessly bearing grudges with humans
-Demands worship
-wants to burn people
-Has a 72 virgin reserve. . ETC..

You see the personification attributes has distanced the idea from the values it was meant to represent making out something different all together.

That is the part someone says - This is bullshiit, i don't believe it...

This was exactly my reply to BETATRON

"If by God one means Gravitational or any other proven force controlling
natural interactions then such premises can be looked into but asserting an
almost humanoid persona it slips down the drain of primitive assumption and
personification."
https://www.nairaland.com/2490200/how-atheists-handle-morality-absence/1#39681058
[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Answer This With An Open Mind by johnydon22(m): 2:19pm On Nov 14, 2015

MzNelly:
Christians, why are we suffering for the sin Adam and Eve committed in their own foolishness, when the Bible clearly states in Ezekiel 18:20: "20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. ?

Answer correctly and put these atheists to shame, once and for all time.

Lol.... Bible also said the reverse in exodus 20:5

I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.

and also Deuteronomy 5:9

I agree though, answer and put the atheists to shame once for all time

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Christianity Etc › Re: Terrorists Did Not Attack Paris; Muslims Did! by johnydon22(m): 12:39pm On Nov 14, 2015

tartar9:
its so easy to spot one BIG igbo Fool

What exactly are your issues with the Igbo people, what is this show of idiocy all the time blaming igbo people when ever you see an anti-Islam post..

Are you ok?

Christianity Etc › Re: Answer This With An Open Mind by johnydon22(m): 12:13pm On Nov 13, 2015

Isn't it funny how the Christian God denied man the gift of eternal life when man is alive (By taking away the fruit of immortality in eden) and then promise to give man eternal life when man eventually dies. . . .

I have never heard something more moroni_c and idiotic..

man should not live forever because he now has a sound reason but when you die you will live forever, so is man now going to return to that imbecili_c state after man dies?

Tell a Christian that there was a golden apple fruit in Greek mythology that could give eternal life they will laugh at you but they believe there was such a fruit in Eden that can give eternal life...

Religious beliefs centered around such ridiculous myths is that a whole bunch of people are involved (Billions) that's why it's called religion instead of madness..

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Discussion Thread For Johnydon22 And I by johnydon22(m): 12:01pm On Nov 13, 2015

geesampower:
Well done o.
You really have time for all these. But I understand, if you don't answer their questions regardless of how silly it is, it would be presumed you've been proven wrong.
But honestly you don't have to.

As I said earlier, this sort of argument only lead to brain drain. There is nothing to gain from it. This is not a discussion this is a "I MUST PROVE HIM WRONG" sort of argument. Explain all you want to, you are just wasting your time.

One day I was burning some trash and as I stood there staring at the flames I heard a voice loud and clear. The voice told me all sinners would burn in hell. That happened when I was a kid. I've had a dream of me and jesus living happily in heaven. Lol, so what? Does my dream of a talking pencil also prove pencils talk, or my dreams of mickey mouse and I playing prove the existence of mickey mouse?

All these I tell you are true, but they don't prove anything. Dreams and "voices" in our heard are all products or our thoughts, which are products of what we hear, read etc.

I used to have sleep paralysis some 6 years ago, when ever it happens I feel I am struggling with a demon, a female demon to be precise.
I stopped believing in demons and all these bull crap about 5yrs ago.
I researched sleep paralysis and got to know the cause (has nothing to do with demons of cos)
I realized it happens when ever I sleep very late and I try to wake up before having enough sleep.
Since then I sleep on time so I don't have to force my self to wake up before having adequate sleep (which my body fights and caused the sleep paralysis). That was the end, no prayers, no deliverance.
I got the impression they were demons cos of what I hear in church, people giving testimonies about demons pressing them in their sleep and how "God" saved them from the demon.

Our minds can be very funny, tell a kid there is "ojuju" in a dark empty room and his mind would create the image of the "ojuju" vividly to the extent he would believe he can see it physically.
You can even influence how the "ojuju" would look like. Tell the kid it has horns and he would see one with horns, tell the kid it has a tail and he would see it with a tail.
This works for ANY kid. Just don't look like you are playing. Tell the kid with all seriousness and he would see whatever you describe.
Leave such a kid with this impressed on him and his mind would create more demons of different shapes and sizes. Reason why I laugh at the so called cockville miracle many are excited about.
An impressionable mind only needs suggestions and the mind would do the rest.

Lol... I feel compelled to oblige and explain some things when asked or engage in a discussion when necessary.

It may be rude or arrogant of me to ignore someone just because i think he is wrong, i can spare a few time to discuss and at least reach a logical conclusion.

Just like i am sure i and Remi have reached on his Ouija board postulation..

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Discussion Thread For Johnydon22 And I by johnydon22(m): 11:57am On Nov 13, 2015

Remilekun101:
Even though i agree that it is Automatism.

what about PHYSICAL EVIDENCES below
check here: http://thoughtcatalog.com/christine-stockton/2014/03/terrifying-true-tales-of-people-messing-around-with-ouija-boards/

14. Photos of what it did

http://i.imgur.com/FssFx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PSSqa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z3xIv.jpg

These are the photos of what happened to me after using a homemade Ouija Board tonight. We asked a variety of questions asking the spirit if it was the one who had scratched by chest which had been done prior to using the board. It replied yes and it said that it was “here” for “me” and that it was not going to leave. I pray that it will.

I am sure everyone has been shown all these are involuntary action by the one using the board and not any spirit.. It is the person's psychological placebo..

You did that to yourself in the state of automatism...

we also need to ask ourselves why Automatism works only in the case of Ouija Board.

Hell No sire automatism is a psychological condition and can happen at anytime to anyone in any situation not only Ouija board mumbo jumbo

We also have Medical automatism, where by an unconscious patient is performing some actions unknowingly..

Sleep walking and etc.. thousands of that..

Now am sure this has been treated and finished...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Have The Courage To Question Your Beliefs And Worldview? by johnydon22(m): 11:28pm On Nov 12, 2015*

SirWere:
If only you can voice out without being called an atheist or a fake christian.

If only

I think you have every right to voice out your grievances and your issues with anything you are into..

For the name calling; I take it you mean you care more about people's opinion about you than your own opinion of you.

If not then i see no reason why you can't voice out.

I always tell people. . .I am responsible for what i write, people are responsible for what they understand. . . (Have always noticed people understand what they choose to)

I have only to write, not supposed to understand it for people. . . .Voice out i pray you... Lets hear your own mind, we each deserve and have that right..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Have The Courage To Question Your Beliefs And Worldview? by johnydon22(m): 9:01pm On Nov 12, 2015

UyiIredia:
Faith simply means belief and everybody believes in something. It is based on belief a person works towards a vision against all odds.

Can you define Belief for us?

And does your belief in anything make it true?

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