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CaptainJune:
Johnnydon22, God does not condemn or reward on the basis of your goodness or wickedness. Faith in the death of Jesus on the cross is the basis of salvation, not morality.

You can be the kindest, meekest, humblest person in the world but still end up in hell because your spirit is still dead because of sin. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash the sins away, make your spirit alive, make you righteous through belief in Him, not through your works of goodness.

Religions of the world strive to attain righteousness through good deeds, but to God, man's righteousness is filthy rags before Him. The righteousness that qualifies one for heaven is simple belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. As you can see, that righteousness is not ours, it belongs to God. It is not of works of goodness but by grace. That is the message of the Gospel.

fearlesschicken:
Nice topic! Deserving of front page!
I don't even know why someone would ask that kinda question, it is very silly and beyond human reasoning. It just shows the low mentality they have.

Cc:lalasticlala

tartar9:
Si vis pacem,para bellum

OCHOGZ:
How is ds different from Christians who are ready to die for "Jesus" or Muslims who fancy death for Allah's cause? The Ooni is a deity n d Abobaku is a true worshipper. Religion sha!!!

Imortal001:
Wake up please, we are in the 21st century.

Imortal001:
Am allergic to people that dont respect peoples opinion..

Imortal001:
Are you a shrinist?

Imortal001:
Where the gods travel go?

TheDauraMallam:
Johndonny22, hahn, finally finally I'm a moslem.

hahahahahahahaha allahu akbah..

Islam heaven sounds like God is preparing a big O_rgy for the believers where pvssy and joystick never runs out... Christians are expecting golden mansions, white robes and palm fronds.

People cannot see beyond their own wishful thinking and abject delusion that have reduced the thinking faculty of some to such a retarded state that terming then SIMPLETONS is a very truthful tag.

Muslims are all having orgasms over 72pvssys, even a young terrorist muslim placed a block on his joystick incase he gets blown up his joystick will be preserved for the O_rgy in heaven.

Now women will get a young stud whose joystick will never go limp, you can imagine such perverted wishful thinking guiding the minds of people...

Surely God must be having his own O_rgy with almost a million Virgins then

Don't forget the river of wine in the muslim heaven... Pvssy plus wine, lmao...Epic

MrPresident1:
The Bible is the Old Testament, the Old Testament is where all the 'action' in the Bible is. The New Testament is made up of the Gospels and the Letters

CaptainJune:
First off, thanks for the mention.

There's something we have to understand about the relationship between faith and evidence - they are the same thing. They're both evidence of something. Faith is evidence of the unseen; science is evidence of what is seen. Whichever is used one thing is certain - Faith is older than science.

With science we're able to interact with and understand the physical world, its mysteries, its laws, man, animal, plants, land, air, etc. However, with faith we're able to interact with and understand the spiritual world, its mysteries, its laws, the forces that inhabit this world, the beings, etc.

Atheists and unbelievers perceive faith in God as some kind of belief without evidence.

This is why it is said that they are blind fools. While you can never manufacture a 'physical' evidence for something of spiritual nature, you can never deny the reality of the supernatural, or the existence of the spiritual realm whose evidence lie personal experience, people's experience,

history of people having the same experience, physical manifestations confirming the Word of God such as unexplainable cure of cancer,

HIV/AIDS

resurrection from clinical death,

the manifestations of the gifts of prophecy (that accurately describes the details of life of strangers), tongues and interpretation, word of knowledge, discerning of spirits etc etc, or physical manifestations of spiritual phenomena such as poltergeist activities, ouija board, the activities of rain makers, physically undetectable cause(s) of an illness bearing the same symptom with common illness, womb overdue for delivery but remains in that stage probably for years (rare and usual at the same time), unexplainable manifestations defying explanation which the medical and scientific world recognise as real but fail to explain using scientific knowledge gained from reading textbooks,

but which others also call the paranormal, there're also out of body experiences, near-death experiences, too numerous to mention.

The bottom line is faith in God is not blind neither is is it the exercise people resort to to feel good about themselves and their situation. Faith in God is no longer a question of religion because the evidence of the existence of God is overwhelming in our daily lives so that whoever does not believe despite this pieces of evidence scattered all over the universe has no one but himself to blame in judgment neither will he have any excuse to offer for doubting the evidence of the existence of God - faith and science.

cold:
Full frontal,take no prisoners,pull no punches,no holds barred article. It goes right to the heart of the matter and takes the god concept or whatever is left of it to shreds. @Johnydon22, a stellar job you did here.

Weah96:
Those are conventional Gods. I don't believe in any.

FOLYKAZE:
Oga stop been foolish. Deva is a God but not in the sense of monotheistic God. This mean it is not a creator being or supreme being as God is depicted in western world.

Deva in Sanskrit is देव and in english mean God. https://translate.google.com/m?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&prev=_m&q=%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B5

The difference here lies in concept and not word. As the concept remains, it is different only to supreme being or the personified creator in the sense of monotheism.

Let me school you now. I hope you will pay for my service.

This is the gods in buddhism.

1 Yama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama

In Buddhism, Yama ( Sanskrit: ) is a dharmapala (wrathful god) said to judge the dead and preside over the Narakas ("Hells" or "Purgatories" and the cycle of rebirth.

research for the others pls.

Yama the God of Death, Mara the tempter deity....Deva in sanskrit means a god/demigod (Like an angel or something). Brahmā, Asura, Śakra, Yaksha, Sariputta, Tara, Kwan Yin and many other Gods are found in Buddhism. Asura means Demons, naraka (hell) and nirvana (heaven).

krayzieklay:
Your arguments most times can be so annoying. It's like as if I'm hearing a child scratching a metal on a tarred road. Damn!

FOLYKAZE:
I dont have interest in this game of copy and paste with color paintings.

Note the word "in the sense". This in the sense postulate that:

Western Buddhist communities, on the other hand, are often made up of converts who have left a prior theistic belief in an Abrahamic Sky God behind. They often view celestial beings as outdated cultural vestiges which can be safely jettisoned without changing the essential meaning of the Dharma. Western Buddhists are the foremost promulgators of the idea that Buddhism is non-theistic.

This is the reason why asked you to speculate if you mean buddhism as viewed by the west or practised in Asia.

In pure land buddhism, buddha is worshipped and it pratises is theistic

The day you will learn to stop unfounded sterotypes your arguments will become sound and straight..

Buddha is not worshipped as a God just like Catholic revere Mary but not as a God..

Catholics pray to saints and even other christian denominations invoke angels in their prayers. . .Reverance (worship) of a thing does not connote Theism..

I worship my mum, this doesn't make me theisitic or make my mother a deity, it is basically reverance...

Buddhist practises are within the dimension of "Organized Religion" Not Theistic... You still have to go grab what "Theism" really is like i adviced ealier..

Again stop sterotypes, you always murder your argument with it

FOLYKAZE:
Even from the link, Deva-buddhism is a word from Sanskrit. This is what is there "A deva (देव Sanskrit and Pāli)".

So maybe you need to put your thinking cap on when arguing.

A simple translation of देव to english will give you God.

FOLYKAZE:
Oga Ade stop relying on Western fallacy.

Read and read Mr http://www.existentialbuddhist.com/2011/05/is-buddhism-non-theistic/

another is here

http://www.religioustolerance.org/buddhism8.htm

I dont have the time so I cant copy and paste here.

Buddhism is theistic religion as practised by those in Asia

Weah96:
I believe in certain Gods, and have serious reservations about the rest.

Example, I've been to an Outkast concert, I've had my hair cut in barbershop with Big Boi seated in the next chair, I have watched their videos.

When I say that I don't believe in God, I am under the impression that the OP if referring to the Abrahamic ones.

FOLYKAZE:
Dont be foolish Mr.

Do some research far beyond wikipedia.

Devas in Sanskrit is देव which mean God https://translate.google.com/m?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&prev=_m&q=%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B5

Hahahaha as usual..

Sanskrit remember is a Hindu liturgical language and Hinduism is a theistic religion..

We are discussing the BUDDHIST concept of Deva which they regard as merely non-humans that are not worthy of worship.

In your usual hasty sterotypes you didn't bother to Check the etymology of the word...
"Deva is a Sanskrit word found in Vedic literature of 2nd millennium BCE. Monier Williams translates it as "heavenly, divine, terrestial things of high excellence, exalted, shining ones".[1][9] The concept [size=20]also [/size] is used to refer to deity, god."https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Hinduism)#Etymology

Now we can see that the word "Deva" is used both to refer to heavenly, exalted etc things and Also used differently to refer to a deity..

Can you now calm down and agree Deva in Buddhism is not GOD but simply a non-human entity ...

FOLYKAZE:
Where did I say Ra is a pantheistic God?

Theism is a broad term which extention pantheism is part of. I dont know where I confused this together.

Buddhism spritualism is not theism? Do you mean the western buddhism or the one practise by those in Asia?

Some guys mehn

Buddhism /ˈbudɪzəm/ [1][2] is a[size=20] nontheisitc religion[/size] [note 1][3] or philosophy
( Sanskrit : dharma; Pali : dhamma) that encompasses a variety of traditions ,
beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on teachings attributed to
Gautama Buddha, commonly known as the Buddha ("the awakened one".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

Like i told you earlier, you don't even know what theism means...Until you get to know you will never fully grasp that which you wish to argue about.....

let me hear you say that Buddhism is theistic again!

dalaman:
I am not a Buddhist so I wont dwell on what I don't know. The Wikipedia entry says Devas are not Gods. As for the second question you still haven't answered anything. You just played with words. Why are you an atheist since you insist that atheist disbelieve in all Gods?

FOLYKAZE:
Devas is not God? Are you serious at all?

Oga because an deity is not a god in the monotheitic concept or sense does not mean it is not God/deity.

Devas is a Sanskrit term meaning god, deity, divinity or celestial being. In Buddhism, devas are gods who live in the various realms of heaven as rewards for their previous good deeds, but they are still subject to rebirth. http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/d/devas.html

FOLYKAZE:
I dont think you are an atheist like johnydon22, dalaman and weah96, you are not just too good with some concept and idea of God. Atheism negates all god idea but you are here believing Ra should be worship because it is god. I think w need to look beyond idea and concept. All these God were just expression of ancient men who triess to explain the natural world

FOLYKAZE:
Unless you want to tell us atheism is disbelieve in only Jehovah and not all God.

FOLYKAZE:
I got fine link buttressing this point of yours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_becomes_the_Universe
https://guyus./my-pantheistic-views/why-i-view-the-universe-as-god/

What most people call God are natural entities that exist here and there. Do you wonder why some culture worship cow and snakes? Does calling them God makes them non-existing?

You are blatantly mistaking the idea of a personal God with that of deifying an object, animal or human... Many people deify Cows, snakes i just refer to them as Cows and snakes and thats all....i too regard my mother and girl friend as God...

But the question I ask lot, and I will ask you. Do you believe in pantheist God? Do you believe in Gaia exist. Do you believe the God exist?

The idea of a pantheistic God is not seperate but a unifying notion depicting everything in entirety (the whole universe)...So the word God is only used to refer the universe, i do not need to have belief that the universe exists same way i don't need belief to know my mother exist or girl friend...

Gaia is a goddess whose name man adopted to refer the earth with just like Mars was the god of war now used to name a planet... In such personal God concepts, i totally disbelief

If yes, do you still hold that you are an atheist?