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Martinez19:
Pathetic liar

he isn't necessarily lying. He just have to believe he did.

Originakalokalo:
If the Following can be Proven, then atheists Should Be worried About their Belief.°

Worried? No. That is idiotic. If the basis for a lack of belief is proven to be true, one doesn't need to be worried, simply change your mind and agree.

Existence of powers like juju, blood money, fortifications against bullets,

this will in no way affect the atheist argument. Atheism is the unbelief in God(s). As far as we know, these listed things are not God(s). They are people who believe these stuffs but not in God and that is just what atheism is about.

disappearing from one location to another and other activities that transcends physical abilities.

Nope. At all. These are proof of themselves not God.

Let me share some Examples of Cases that defile physical laws..As an eye witness.

1. someone being flogged in the dream and there are marks all over the body when the person wakes up...This is more than just a dream and I have seen this one firsthand....she was my girlfriend back in school.

2. . Someone was shot in the dream after he got promoted in the office....six months after the dream, he could not go to his office

...and when "special prayers" and baths were done for him, some local bullets dropped off his body....( I have seen this too, firsthand.)

3. This one is funny. An aboki was fighting a man from Ogun state on the ist of January of a particular year..

.It involved a family friend and I was in the house at the time...

The aboki took an iron rod to hit my friend's uncle ...he moved back and entered his car, slipped a ring on his finger, and tap the aboki on the head .. .

Then the aboki fell down flat...he stood up and fell again...this time, he was shaking violently on the floor...

People ran away.....this uncle then approached the aboki and tap his slightly on the chest....the guy stood up, got his balance...

and left. It almost degenerated into a street fight.

If these activities can be proven, then they supports the existence of another realm that is unseen....which can influence the physical world.

Actually No. Humans don't know more than 10% of the natural world and that is not enough ground to determine what it can or what it cannot do.

You have not the slightest idea what is achievable under the cosmos, you don't even understand quarter of how it works. How dare you assume to know what can be achieved under cosmological permissibility.

And by the way, I think all your stories are above are such nonsense.

That realm is spiritual.... and there must be laws to enforce order in that realm...else there will be chaos and things will Fall apart

No. It is not. You are just making a wild assumption thinking you have any slightest foundation to assume what the natural world is capable of or not.

Now, if there is order in the spiritual world, it must be put inplace and enforced by a ruler who has ultimate power(God) ...

No. Another wild assumption. That is also like saying that for the natural realm to exist it needs an ultimate power God. That is just absolute nonsense.

If there is such a thing as spiritual realm which in my own idea I'd simply call an extra dimension of the natural realm, it still wouldn't require any God.

else, a spirit may just decide to destroy a whole country in seconds..

Even if there are spirits and I don't think there is such thing. They apparently don't possess such abilities. Stop watching nollywood. Come back to reality, you sound like a kid.

The ground may be poisoned and all the produce becomes poison....and everyone dies..

You can actually do this

Take a look at the physical world.... Laws of matter, gravity, light etc ensure sustainability....

These laws keep everything in cycle and ensures continuity.... Else, a creator will have to be creating every second...

The moment these laws cease to exist, there will be trouble. Engineers produce engines to work in cycles...

to an extent for continuity.

The creator of the heavens and earth is not stupid...

Laws of rotation and revolution brings day and night and seasons and weather. He doesn't have to declare them into existence every time these phenomena are needed.

In conclusion,

If there are powers that suggest the existence of a realm outside the physical,

There is God....

No.

centurionpapa:
From a single celled organism to human how many years does it take?

Billions

hahn:
Iroko tree, I asked you to define the god you are asking about and you are yet to reply me o

Troll. You know the type of Gods I'm talking about.

Transcendant personal Gods.

gensteejay:
Yea, you're right.

What I meant is, I don't like such labels or subscribe to the atheistic and deistic ideologies.

Your very definition of God leans towards Spinozism

gensteejay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA

This video may offer insight into this age-old debate about God.
It's not a piece of evidence about God's existence.

I personally have the notion that God is existence itself and we (our consciousness or soul) are all aspects or parts of God (a Great Consciousness).

I don't mean the gods of religion here.

P. S.: I'm neither an atheist nor deist. I'm simply human.

Being atheist or deists is not mutually exclusive with being human.

These things are not what you say you are, it is simply a label for a school of thought

AryEmber:
No need to question my belief then. (you, I or anybody else)

Actually there is every need.

AryEmber:
Are you implying that there's nothing like money? ritual

Nope. I'm implying I've never witnessed it so cannot oblige your request to explain it

AryEmber:
Explain money ritual scientifically

I have never indulge in money ritual so I cannot tell you how it works since I have not witnessed it up close.

And I bet my balls that you have not witnessed it either.

francis247:
Yes, exactly. There is no basis whatsoever for my premise that life is meaningless. In


There is no way in which these things are/can be measured, there's no benchmark whatsoever for determining them.

so in what way did you arrive at that conclusion.

No. It is not difficult for me to explain my assertion because as a matter of fact, the basis for my assertion is unexplainable. And yes, I have made an absolute statement that is not formed from an objective but a subjective basis because man, in as much as he is obligated to to be an objective being is first and foremost a subjective being. We all have our wants, feelings, desires and interests which vary to varying degrees and constitute the basis for all conflicts, clashes and crisis.

Therefore you assertion on the meaningless of life is not objectively true but a subjective opinion.

Good, this where I wanted us to arrive.

Nice talking to you.

francis247:
Yes, exactly. My assertion that life is meaningless is without absolute basis because life itself is without basis whatsoever and the blocks of it's foundation is rooted in arbitrariness.

Actually those two context are different. If your assertion is without absolute basis then it cannot be trusted or said to rightly describe the subject it describes.

Don't misunderstand the implication of a sentence being baseless.

It simply means it has no ground, its description doesn't have a valid ground to describe the subject.

Therefore, your assertion possesses no valid ground if it has no basis and cannot be said to have made a valid description as regards life.

Until you establish this ground, that remark is not as valid as you believe.

francis247:
There is no benchmark for meaning as I earlier implied so there is therefore no need trying to ascertain it.

If there is no benchmark then there Is no basis for your premise that life is meaningless.

Innit?

There is no doubt that from the literal point of view, the value of a thing is determined by its price, its cost, the cost of acquiring the said thing and that life itself can no doubt be said to be of immeasurable and inestimable value. But this isn't the angle from which the subject matter of life is examined here, no. It is examined here from the angle of meaninglessness, uselessness, worthlessness because this is the truest, most ultimate and profoundest definition of life. It all depends on the angle from which one looks at it, life and this brings us back to the assertion that life is meaningless except for that which we ascribe to it.

In what way are these things measured, what benchmark determines this?

See, it is very difficult for you to explain that because you have made an absolute statement that you agreed was not formed from an objective basis.

PastorAIO:
Ouch! Menh, nor be pissing contest o! I don't think that the OP said "life is meaningless by default" anywhere.

My description of the premise was not a verbatim quote.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. There is a perhaps a chance that you read that into what he was saying that that is why we are at odds.

Life; everything related to it is meaningless and of no value except that which we ascribe it.

This very opening statement that you brought actually demonstrates this premise clearly enough.

hence; "Rather a challenge to the fundamental premise of the OP which is "life is meaningless by default except that which we ascribe" so I am trying to ascertain the benchmark for meaning implied by the OP"

PastorAIO:
Perhaps you ought to read the OP with more clarity, Johnydon22.

Oh I did. My question to the OP wasn't on our imposition of meaning to life and everything.

Rather a challenge to the fundamental premise of the OP which is "life is meaningless by default except that which we ascribe" so I am trying to ascertain the benchmark for meaning implied by the OP.

Maybe read my questions with more clarity.

frank317:
I am in Agreement with him...appear in any form he thinks is convincing enough.

So, If someone shows up now and be like "I'm God" waves his hand and every sick person in the planet gets healed you'd go like "Yea. I think you are indeed God"
??

festwiz:
Said it before though. Appears before everyone and proves whatever scriptures he was written from to be true.

Shows all 7+ billion people his creation process, Heals every sick person, resolves all conflict, removes evil, etc whilst the whole world watch him perform his voodoo or magic or science.

Answer questions on space and science. Do aliens exists? Coordinates of his home/abode.

That should be convincing enough, as long as the evidence is infallible.I dunno.

These are not questions I ask myself, 'causw they are caused by doubts and uncertainty.

Appear before everyone, in its form or in human form?

francis247:
I mean there is no specific, correct or established yardstick for measuring or determining the usefulness or otherwise of something.
Our thoughts, words and actions are solely based on our feelings, our wants, our desires which in turn is based on that which is unknown and unexplainable.

So summarily, your assertion that "life is meaningless" is at best without absolute basis therefore arbitrary at best.

Yes?

babyfaceafrica:
I believe what I believe.. no need for argument

It wasn't a call to argue but to probe the basis of belief

I think this is a necessary question to understand the nature of the disagreements exercised here.

Atheists: What sort of evidence would you think is sufficient enough to convince that God/Gods truly exists?

Theists: What kind of evidence or lack thereof would make you think or lean towards the idea that God/Gods probably do not exist?

MuttleyLaff:
In many and diverse ways is purpose derived.

How though?

francis247:
There is no yardstick for measuring or determining the use of something. What is useful to one is useless to another, what is of value to one is of no value to another. One man's nothing is another man's everything.

So what yardstick led to your absolute statement on the meaninglessness of life?

MuttleyLaff:
Its intrinsic with its purpose

how is purpose derived?

francis247:
Meaningless: Useless, worthless, senseless, of zero value.

How do you determine the value, use of something?

gensteejay:
Yea. If we get answers to those specific ones, those answers will still generate new problems.

Those paranormal concepts are quite wide and complex to explain with the present models in science.

Even Quantum Physics fails to come up with a veridical explanation.

Methinks the theory of everything, when or if it ever gets successfuly formulated, has a key role to play in this regard.

So, summarily speaking, what you think is supernatural are just things we are ignorant of.

Ok. cool.

Was nice talking with you.

gensteejay:
Yea.

Once we get explanations for these things, what happens next?

they cease to be paranormal/metaphysical/supernatural?

gensteejay:
I will ignore that deranged dolt henceforth.

Paranormal events/concepts are those issues or aspects that have not been explained in conventional sciences.

Some of these are soul, consciousness, spirit, time travel, out-body experience, near-death experience

They are usually controversial

So, anything that do not have any accepted conventional explanation yet is paranormal. OK, thought as much though. Just wanted to be sure.

Once we get explanations for these things, what happens next?

PastorAIO:
He might mean (oops) a state of alienation. A disconnection between the activities that he is engaged in and his inner emotional states and his aspirations.

Well, I will wait for him to tell me. It is one thing to throw words around, clever English is easy. But the subtle implications of these clever words is the hard part and that is where our arguments are tested.

PastorAIO:
Doesn't the definition of one automatically define the other?

Nope

gensteejay:
You studied philosophy in 100L? And you don't know the meaning of meta-physics.

Wow, you're a textbook example of Nigeria's failed Western education model.

Don't cram; they wouldn't listen. You don't even understand the definition of meta-physics you crammed verbatim.

This guy is extremely stupid. Lol

Your poor command of English is the problem here.

The meaning of the prefix, "meta", is "beyond" or "higher". So, "meta-physics" means physics of things that are para-normal.

I hope I have not created another grammar problem for you by mentioning another prefix, "para".

It's not a coincidence that when you delve into meta-physics, you come across terms, such as "para-physics", "para-normal", "para-psychology", "para-psychic", etc.

A so-called educated person does not know that spirit, soul, consciousness and related spiritual aspects are para-normal concepts, studied in metaphysics.

They don scam this one for school

I will post the laws when I am less busy.

So, I am curious about something; In your own thoughts, what sort of events would you refer to paranormal, supernatural, metaphysical, if you happen to witness?

PastorAIO:
Define Meaning?

Nope. Meaningless

Is meaning not just a Reference? Events refer to other events in some way or the other therefore we can say that event A means event B.

e.g. There are puddles of water on the ground. ... that means that it must have rained last night.

The quest for meaning is just based on the believe that events are not isolated by connected to other events. And the more the various events in our lives are connected the more meaningful life is and the more content we are about life.

So we have a basic need to connect events in life. That is our quest for Meaning.

Even though I think the context of your definition is not even close to the context which "meaningless" is used in theOP. Ok though.

So, when the OP said everything is meaningless what does that imply?

francis247:
Life; everything related to it is meaningless and of no value except that which we ascribe it. From language, culture, religion, morals, ethics, politics, etc. They're all meaningless. The shame or guilt we feel whenever we've broken some moral, religious, social or cultural code is based on the established rules and principles that revolve around these elements of the life and the world we live in, the world we've created, the world which we've known from birth. Same also applies to the guilt and shame we feel whenever we've committed some terrible social or grammatical blunder but sometimes we just laugh it off or simply wave it aside because at the end of the day, it means nothing, absolutely nothing. If you know, you know.

In as as much as religion like language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions were made by man for the benefit as well the advancement of a peaceful and blissful stay of mankind here on earth, it, religion has its flaws, terrorism probably it's most fatal. It's just like everything else created by man supposedly for the good of his specie: From drugs, to gadgets and other technological advancements, they all have their side effects. Religion no doubt has its many negative effects on our humanity but the lack of it in my unhinged opinion is much more; suicide and depression being the worst of them all.

BTW, who here has seen the TV series "The Good Place"? Some hilarious afterlife cock and bullshit story. Very hilarious.

The question here is; When you say "meaningless" what are you implying?

Define "meaningless"

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