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tevinsolt:
you are not getting the point. if we all evolved from a common ancestor why is it ok for humans to indulge in a deliciously cooked dead animals but wrong for humans to do so to other humans? why isn't there this sense of morality in the animal kingdom? there's no empathy, there's no good or evil from where you coming from.

lolzz i dont think you know much about animals do you?

Every animal have a basic sense of morality..

Elephants would never leave a wounded comrade behind, Monkeys are known to ostracize a member of the pack if its action goes against the whole pack... and so it goes on and on.

Compare their intellect with ours!

Oh for the eating of other animal thingie am sure you know about food chains and food web which man topples above all

OREMUSSANCTUS:
as a result of too much fallacy in d koran and hadith, Empiree and Rilwayne001 have resigned from defending d prophet. So many facts re dere, muhammed claimed to ve divided d moon lol datz one great fallacy 9jaforlife shld address. And if he supports muhammed by saying rubbish den I know for sure he's so sumb and dull as Ifeann used to tell him. A man dat witnessed eclipse and he ran for his sorry life. 9jaforlife, muhammed claimed to ve divided d moon into 2, how come dey didn't put his name in d guiness book of records as d first man to ever reach d moon .

Divide the moon? hahahahahaha i don die ooooo this people no go kill me..
nawa oooo no be small thing..

Even moses name deh guiness book of record for dividing the red sea...
hahahahahahaha .

bro you funny ooo, muhammed ran like hell when he saw an eclipse? choi but he deh divide moon... i have both bible and koran on my phone abeg tell me where e deh make go see ooo...

That guy funny shaaa... which surah abeg

PastorKun:
Leave these people alone na

hahahahahahaa OREMUSSANCTUS and ifeann are muslim nemesis in nairaland... Malvisguy and truthman also ...
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha Rilwyne001 and empiree are the counterparts.

Clash of the titans!!! am waiting for all of them to enter this thread and enjoying comments begins.. thats my favourite part...

Hahahahahahahahahaha i swear this stuff sounds like true somehow...
Islam shaa makes those guys behave like goats with guns without brains.
They are not happy in their own countries always rioting and warring... hahahahaha nawa ooo

FrenchyL:
was only following our argument. If you are not yet born again, then i just want you to know that God loves you and he created you for a purpose. One which you can only fulfill by accepting Jesus Christ into your life by making him Lord and savior of all that concerns you. It is not mandatory but it is in your very best interest. we live in are dangerous times and all these signs of wars and unnecessary killings were foretold by Jesus, the end is here. The question you need to ask yourself is this: Where would you spend eternity? I guess you know that life does not end on the earth. Would Horus or whoever save your soul? Just questions that you should ponder upon.

ok sir i will do just that, Just for the sake of not derailing this thread i will not reply all your above yarn
Can you now just stick to the thread and dont bring in your superstitious implausible brouhaha into it?

(i.e: Your comprehension is quite shallow, If not you wouldnt think i believe in horus.
Horus and Jesus fables are just same implausible myths, i choose to live in reality... and oh lest i forget. "when you die, you are bleeping dead and nothing more)

If you want you can open another thread on it so we can discuss it more, but please lets not derail this one

cupid1:
i am darker than the egyptians who live very close to the desert and yet, they are still light skinned

And even the ones that live in more harsher hot desertic weathers in arabic countries.

timonski:
well, skin color is dependent on the level of melanin in your body. The mid-easterners must have migrated to afica through North Africa.
The intense sunlight must have caused more production of melanin in the body. This small changes must have been imprinted on their DNA's. After many generatons, the effect of these changes would have been more pronounced, causing our forefathers to go from light-brown to dark brown.
As for the whites.. The ancient arameans migrated to places with cold climates. The lack of intense sunlight reduces the production of melanin, resulting in their pale complexion

Bros skin colour is not a determinant for race, characteristics like eyes, mouth, hair, then colour etc...

Am still wondering the asians, africoids, negreloids, negroes, caucasians, eskimoos, latin ameicans all sprang up from a single middle esternern parent...

Why do people always seem to intentionally pay a blind eyes to knowledge just to glorify beliefs.

The same way you believe the jews that said life began there, the same way the yorubas believe life bagan at ile-ife, igbos believe it was at nsudde.

(archeological evidences shows that the earliest known humanoids are from africa millions of years ago... Australopecians)

FrenchyL:
Very interesting! So what kind of words does horus give his people? Does he give them certain powers ? And where is he today? Dead or Alive? If he is dead, then when did he die? If he is alive, then where is he today? How relevant is he in today's world?

I also need to ask you if you believe in Jesus Christ? Just for the record.

Read the post again and again till you get it.

unmask:
Like i have always tried to tell theists.. Goodness doesnt depend on reward or punishment.
If you are good because of the promise of heaven, you are only good because you want reward thereby you are only good for your own gain at the end.. We call it "Selfishness" and is that real goodness?

If you are good because of the threat of hell, you are only good because you fear hell therefore you are only good for you own gain at the end saving your own skin...its called "Selfishness" is that real goodness?

I that try to be good without expecting any reward or hoping to escape punishment and you that is good cus of reward or fear, Who really is moral?

Real goodness entails being good because you know it is right and want good to happen. cus you believe the earth and humans deserve goodness.


Most intelligent comment

Am a humanist bro!!!

FrenchyL:
Cool! The question that needs to be answered is this: Where is Horus today? What positive impact does he offer his followers in this life and beyond?

The horus fable greatly influenced the egyptain society for thousands of years...

This Jesus concept is still a modern fable compared to that of horus.
So if it stays as long as the horus concept have it will too slip down the drain of human history and nothing and nothing more just like horus.

If this horus fable was directly brought to africans by the missionaries, am sure you will still feel the same way for it as you do now for the Jesus fable.

danjumakolo:
Do u believe in god

They are thousands of God(s) believd by humans, i for one believe in none cus i find that concept implausible and archaic.

I choose to live in reality!!!

Etetejake:
u r right guy not bkx u mentioned bill gate and some other unbealiver doing good but bkx it is 100% possible. it depend on how u C life and understand life.

well put bro..

Acekidc4:
An Article laments the decline of Civility in some Parts of the world including Nigeria where Manners were once Considered an Important Cultural Marker.

Now My people; Tell us how you'd Define "GOOD MANNERS." Is it knowing proper etiquette when you're in a Restuarant?

OR

Saying "Please" and "Thank you."?

OR

Being Kind and Thoughtful of Others?

Manner can be defined as your mode of action, way of performing or affecting anything.

Good have a more complex, complicated and diverse meaning but in this case it may be defined as having positive attributes, or satisfactory attributes.

So good manners can be said to mean having manners that exhibits positivity and satisfactory influence on the the society and you as well.

Acekidc4:
(2)How would you Rate your own Manners? Do you think you have good manners yourself?

Your good manners are meant to positively impact the society at large. Do you go about telling yourself thank you? No you dont, manners are expressed outwardly to the society so i think the society gives you a feedback of what your manners are.

Acekidc4:
(3)Do you think our Society in General is becoming less Civil and More Rude? Why or Why Not?

I think our society just as always is still battling and wading in the pool of desires that can go against what others think, the human society have always struggled in the past to appear more civil, So i think the society is still on this even till now. . i cannot say if we are becoming less or more civil/rude. .

Acekidc4:
Sukkot, Johnydon22, Ifeness, Image123, Truthman, Cold, Hiswordxray.!!! Come Oh!!

Johnydon22 signing in sir...

tevinsolt:
that's the problem, you assume everyone think the same. which is not so again history has shown people came up with pretty crazy ideas for morality, you said goodness promotes well-being of a society, the Nazis believe that was the greater good, let bring it home, Nigeria in Calabar, they killed twins, they believed it was good didn't they? and so many other cultures around the world, the bible says we have a conscience we do know what is right but we don't always do it, the 10 comm. serves as an objective plum line cutting through all cultures to judge our actions against.

Cultures influence greatly in the human society, Oh yes Nazis Believed it was, So did the jews when they were killing and dashing infants against rocks, So did the calabar people... But this does not change the fact that it is wrong and we all know it goes against empathy towards the victims.

The 10 commandments if that is your yardstick for measuring morality is greatly disappointing... I do not see where it said do not enslaved, Do not make wars etc... You and do not need to check the 10 commandments to see if it is ok to steal, even tho it is not in the 10 commandments you and i still find it wrong to enslave anybody.

The ugarit text from whence these commandments were hewn accommodates many more laws against other vices the 10 commandment didnt..
Still yet it doesnt change the fact that both are all works of humans.

tevinsolt:
before I get myself entangled in all this questions. human life is no more meaningful than that of other animals if there's no God. the meat you eat is killed no one complains, why is it ok to kill every other animals but wrong for one human to kill another human? have you thought about it, is it because we are so special or what. If God created humans, then every one has innate value and worth, violation of that is a crime against the person and the creator, knowing this the violator will be judged for his/her actions.

all those other questions are irrelevant to the point where trying to ash out here.

According to you human life is only special because God made it, forgetting that this God also made the animals so it makes them special too which means you have no right what so ever to kill any.

Humans possess high intellect that is what drives our thinking, It is in our intellect that we derive the concept of empathy.

So thats how we know that killing our fellow human is wrong cus we wouldnt want any to kill us too.

(Was abraham right or wrong to be willing to sacrifice isaac?)
that is what religious good is all about, doing what you are told no matter what is right.

MrEdimulo82:
My Questions:

Does being good in the absolute possible among humans?

Thank you my brother for the questions... Like i have mentioned many times over nobody is born good or evil but we all have instincts for both. . . So when these two instincts are in us it falls down to the way you choose between them. . . Take for instance the world is deeply religious and from the many posts we get here they believe that absolute goodness comes from God, but why is it we have not seen any absolutely good person... Is something wrong somewhere?

MrEdimulo82:
do we ever have absolute control of being either?.

Humans have desires and emotions that greatly influence their decisions... taking this in mind is it possible to have absolute control.?

MrEdimulo82:
History has it that man has carnal and tendency/desirous for things good or bad based on pleasurable ends. Please help clear this...@Johndo

Yes man's desires greatly influence man's deeds but when taken to the contest of morality Our good must not be divorced from the good of others and the collective good of the society.

timonski:
@op. I think those questions should be directed to scientists. I believe they have the answers

No he asked it in a religious contest, am sure you know adam and eve story have nothing to do with science... If he wanted to know how different races came to be according to evolution then it is scientific...

talk2riel:
How come it snows in American, and never in Africa?

lolzzz it snows in southern africa, even jos here in Nigeria have weathers that drops below freezing point some times.

talk2riel:
How come there are earthquakes in Asia and never in Africa?

Earth quake happens everywhere not exclusively asia

talk2riel:
How come there are volcanic eruption in south America and never in Africa

Mount Cameroon erupted in 2004, and is being counted as one of the highest volcanic eruptions in human history... so tell me again how their are no earth quakes in africa... lolzzz nawa for you people oo

vccguy:
We can never be good without God becos the bible says without God you can do nothing. God owns your life He can take it in less than a second. God is good

You believe that one can never be good without God because A BOOK SAID SO, and not because you think so...
nice

FrenchyL:
I cannot speak for them or about what they believe. What is worthy of remembrance are the words of Jesus, when he said " I am The Way, The Truth and the Life", No man comes to the Father except by me" ( John 14:6) Jesus was very definite about who he was and still is.

The ancient Egyptian deity Horus also made such claims thousands of years before Jesus!

ikechizoba:
Us true christains is the HOLY SpIRIT,he is real,he was sent to us from christ,to guide us in all dat we do or come across ONLY wen we accept him,being good is not enough,u nid d holy spirit as ur companion to make all whole and divine what makes

so what about muslims, hundhus, pegans and atheists and other folks that gat nothing to do with christianity and thereby have nothing to do with this your holy spirit... are they not good too?

danjumakolo:
If u believed in the story of Kane and Abel.
You would have come to know morality comes from God

The story of cain and abel is still a human constructed fabricated story..

Originally a kenite fable adopted by the jews ...

So humans do it all, fabricate and form stories to fit any idea they concieve

dalaman:
Can you show me any value or moral system that wasn't created by man? Please show me one moral system that was created by God alone and not by man. Show me a moral system that was created by God alone without man in the picture. How does God make human life meaningful? Demonstrate that claim please. How is life meaningless without God. And which God by the way. Is the life of the christian more meaningful than that of the Hindu? Can you show that to be true? What about the life of the atheist? Is the life of a muslim better than that of an atheist? Can you demonstrate that to be true? How does God makes people's lives meaningful here on earth? Show me one moral system that God alone created, tell me why God created it and when he created it alone without human input.

Nice one bro dont be surprised when he turns it upside down

tevinsolt:
we still haven't define what good represents. when Nazi were killing of Jews, it was good for them. from where you're coming from morality is subjective, everyone makes up what is right and good for them or their society. like I said history is a great source

If you had read my post well you have seen where i stated Morality is a product of empathy, by taking the feelings of others into consideration in your deeds Nazi killing jews was certainly against empathy so how can it be moral in a universal scope? The ancient isrealites wiping entire cities, countries is not moral either and according to them yahweh told them to.

tevinsolt:
those were examples rebutting the idea that being moral for the sake of not wanting to go to hell is selfish, the bible says the Fear of God who can destroy the body and cast the soul in to hell is the beginning of wisdom, the bible says perfect love casts out fear. meaning fear cautions, diligence brings understanding.

I think none needs being said more on this.. i think my point was clear enough

tevinsolt:
how are you so sure we have free will? from a materialistic point of view, we are a product of evolution, our mind is a higher evolved apes mind, and it's all we got. we dance to the tune of our biological make up.

Now did you miss the part were i mentioned intellect? and am sure i never mentioned free will here i said Pure Will please dont change my words.

tevinsolt:
wouldn't this be another way of wording love your neighbor as yourself? and don't you wish everyone sees it that way. Sadly in all of human history it has not been so

Call it whatever you deem fit.. you employ it or not is your choice

tevinsolt:
you and I know the latter was ans still is the most prevalent, Nigeria is a nice big example.

Nigeria is a nice big example of a religiously saturated society even with all the psychological fear and control utilized by religion, is still this... thanks for bringing that up.

Misogynist2014:
This is a very tricky question, i must say, being a good atheist Has its limit, about a week ago, an atheist killed 3 muslims in USA, I'm sure he wouldn't have done that if he were a Christian. He might have been a good man, but he had no moral guidance, he had no one to input the constructive fear in him. Christianity is not by force, its a thing of choice, its not ISIS, even Christ knew doubting Thomas will abound in the last days. Yes you can be self righteous but without a source of moral guidance, you may backslide, everyone needs a source of constructive fear in them to succeed. Christ is beyond myth.

Lol So christians dont kill, my brother i wonder which planet you are in.
If we start counting the day to day crimes committed by Christians, just here in Nigeria nairaland will be filled up.... the killings and robbing, seriously you can do better.

Christ is beyond myth as much as Hercules, Perseus are beyond myth my friend.

wisdompraise:
Brother we only have God and gods, there is nothing like "Gods"

And remember am talking about God the creator of the universe and not gods or Gods as you said.

Or do you want to tell me that the world created itself?

That is what you think, that word God is a distinction all these ideas share its exclusive to neither and dont give me the capital G thingie..

So now tell me which of them is the creator of the universe... cus Allah, Yahweh, Osiris, zeus, mithras all make such claims...

FrenchyL:
I am referring to The Lord God almighty, the creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is within it. The God which Christians serve, who by the way, is the one and only True God.
#ThatsWhatIamTalkingAbout

muslims also believe theirs is the God almighty, creator of the heavens and the earth and all within, so does the hindhus and pegans and greeks and vikings... so?

henryomez:
Nice topic but let me start by saying that weather we want it or not there is always a reward for every goodness done. Take for instance u re driving u saw some pple stranded u gave them a ride when. U drop them off dey ll say thank. You and dats a reward.

Yes they will say thank you but did you stop to pick them because you need them to say thank you?
No you did so because you wanted to help them, because you know is tye right thing to do.

wisdompraise:
You can't claim to be moral without the fear of God. The final prove of your morality will be measured by how much you fear and reverence God the author of morality.

So put God aside you will fine that nobody will be moral.

And am sure you know their are thousands of Gods being worshipped by humans...
No Gods is the author of morality, morality is a human concept that has its roots in human empathy towards others and the culture of a particular society.

e.g: The jews endorsed slavery and yahweh their god endorsed it too according to them it is good to keep slaves, But now i see nobody having slaves cus we know it is not right neither is it good to enslave anybody.

Isis and other islamic sects think they are doing the will of allah, thereby their actions are right but we all frown at their actions cus we know it goes against emapthy and humanity.

MORALITY IS HUMAN

tevinsolt:
You don't have to believe in God to be "good". on this I sort of agree with you. but what is good? what is bad? and how do you tell this characteristics or actions apart?

Good morning bro... Like i said in my post goodness is a product of empathy, Considering the feelings of others in your deeds... So good deeds can be said as a deed that coincides with your own good, the good of others and the collective good of the society.

tevinsolt:
is it selfish to study because of the fear of failing on an exam or working hard cuz of the fear of finding yourself at the bottom of the food chain?
is it selfish to not run a red light because you know if you do, there's a painfully large amount of fine you would have to pay?

I see no way such mundane thing like exams can be reconciled to the concept of goodness but yet i will answer. . . study is of no wide scope, everyone on their own and it is unfair to contrast this to the concept of good.
So go back to my post again and read it again.

tevinsolt:
are you absolutely sure that goodness is not dependent on the fear of punishment, that the person you violated or the society won't take actions against you when you've crossed the line?

a look at history is enough to inform you humans have not being very good to each other.

Like i have told someone before any action that is being induced on you by fear or any other factor is not born out pure will, True goodness stems from pure will, goodness should not be dependent on any fear of punishment cus if it those it means without that concept of punishment they will be no goodness.

If you take the feelings of others and collective good of the society into consideration then you will be good towards all because you know it is right to be good.

A look at human history will also inform you that humans have been good and bad to each other. . . None of us are born good or evil but we all have the instinct of good or evil, so we are all capable of great good and great evil it is the choices we make in our deeds that determines of it is right or wrong.

franugo:
i absolutely love this post like seriously. Bro where have u beenit's been a long time since i saw such a sensible post on nairaland.

have been around boss

asadike:
you are right my dear. D bible says 'my people perish for lack of knowledge'. Jesus have perfected everything for us if only we have faith and obey his teachings but d forces of evil will always fight against good. Have u ever wondered how beautiful dis world will be if we all are leaving according to d teachings of christ?

try humanism...