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Ifeann:
Imagine christains on their own, hindus on their own, buddists on their own etc...once a devout quran reading muslim pops up... allahu snack bar!!!!!!.. KA BOOOOM... Chaos.

Dude one of these days we have to discuss atheism at length. It is just as dangerous as Islam. Today many atheists call themselfs "new atheists", "true atheists" etc to distance themselves form the atheists of the 19th and 20th century who murdered hundreds of millions eg. Stalin
, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, hitler, Lenin..

Anyway this isn't the topic for this thread perhaps I shall invite you for a discussion when I open a thread to discuss atheism.

Hahahahahahaha.... Now it begins!

All this guys you mentioned above are all military dictators and tyrant and revolutionalists in their respective countries what has that got to do with disbelief in any god... they were all theist to start with e.g hitler was a catholic... .

And now does anything unite atheists

hehehehehehe..... Muslims are theists, does it mean everything they do should be blamed on all theists?

Now i will love you to open that thread bro

Ifeann:
I know u know these things but atimes when u comment u fail to give the full picture.

Another thing u have to note abt the conflict in the C.A.R is that the pagans are also fighting the Muslims.

Christians have a moral compass, guides and rules..... the pagans,...emm... not so much. You do know that Muslims give Christians the option to convert to Islam before they are killed but the Muslims kill the pagans of CAR as commanded by the quran. Whole families are murdered. . These pagans know how to hold a grudge. They even kill and eat the meat of the Muslims. Its absolutely appalling.



Imagine a world without Islam.

Lol imagine a world without religion at all...

in india its still Muslims vs hindus... nawa oooo

Rilwayne001:
Yes, I'm in support of that statement, its definitely against what islam stands for as well.

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 8:
As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably.

Isnt it better this way? now am ok

Rilwayne001:
And who told you I that I didnt condemn their act? did you bother to open the link up dere?

My point is we shouldnt judge islam by the actions of some fanatics people that call themselve muslim, praying 5times a day doesnt make one a true muslim.

I for one do not judge islam or any muslim for any of that..
I am not a theist but i have friends both christians and muslims.

What i condemn is the act of terrorism perpetrated by those guys... its immoral and inhumane.

Mankind and planet earth deserves better... We need peace.

Ifeann:
John, some people answer Christians in name only and some Christians get pushed so much by Muslims they resort to violent self defense...I have heard abt the crazies happening in the C.A.R. It was also like than in Lebanon. The Christians fought back, same with the crusades. Google why we are afraid: a 1400 year secret by Dr bill wahner.. Its a very well researched masterpiece of muslim jihad and conflict with Christians during the crusades.

You have to realise that everytime Christians pick up arms its because they are trying to defend themselves from muslim aggression and jihad.

Oh yes i am well aware of that...

I just pointed out to the guy a situation where the two religions crashed... its no big deal.... self defence is a very good reason, tho the guys in C.A.R forgot when to stop and when to show restraint

Rich4god:
The poster above me is the reason islam isnt making sense... Pple are tryn to discuss abt d destruction caused by some of your brothers in faith and you are here point fingers to another person's quarrel. I cant remember the last time christian denominations bombed and killed each other... But the sunni and the shia have been killing one another since ages... SMH

Christians have killed each other in the past tho

PastorKun:
What they did is highly condemnable and it definitely was against every thing christianity stands for.

This is exactly what i expect Rilwayne001 to say.

Rilwayne001:
They should profer solution to that first before pointing fingers at us, the number of ignorant muslims that engages in all that you listed above do not constitute up to 8% of the world muslim population. this should help https://www.nairaland.com/1943131/good-manners-islam

https://www.nairaland.com/1864482/saudi-top-cleric-blasts-al-qaeda

Common dude since you clearly against the terrorism why dont you just condemn it simply.

like i pointed out earlier to you the confusion in christianity is their own cup of tea, it doesnt constitute any global nuisance..

I understand ur sentimental conviction to protect islam, and yes we know not all muslims do it but dont you think comments as urs are responsible for making people think otherwise?
Just condemn it and the people that do it cus it is not good... did anybody here call you a terrorist?
when we say terrorist am sure we all know exactly the people we are referring to.

PastorKun:
Unlike in Islam the Lunatic in Central African Replubic cannot justify his actions from the teachings of Christ, the bible or the apostles. If anything at all he was going directly against the teachings of Christ,so there is no basis for comparison.

Did i compare? oh no i didnt..
Those guys nearly annihilated all the muslims shaa ..

simplex2:
That's just a baseless assumption. Vs 16, cain left the presence of God to dwell in the land of Nod. Vs 17 he knew his wife: its that simple! 16 before 17.
You are trying to infer that he was already married even before leaving to dwell in Nod. Then who did he marry? Because as at then, there were only Adam, Eve, cain and abel. You are also trying to say that he was married before he was cursed.

Let me ask you, what do you understand by "dwell" that was used in vs 16?

Cain went to Nod to 'dwell'.

If only those four people existed at that time, then how possibly could he meet people at nod?

who named that place nod?

Who did he marry?

simplex2:
In your little research, you didn't read where Cain left to dwell in the LAND OF NOD.

Genesis 4.16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

That was the place he took a wife from. People were already existing there. His children also took wives and bore more children in the same city. One of his grandchildren, Lamech even married 2 wives. Was is it still Adam and Eve that was supplying cain and his children the wives they married?

Something is seriously wrong with the bible and those that compiled it. If not, people won't be trying this hard to explain the bible.

He went to land land of Nod and saw people even tho adam and eve where the first to be created and only adam, eve n their children was on earth..

@bolded got me cracking..hahahahahahaha

Rilwayne001:
@Pastorkun.

Why don't you first channel your energy to the confusion in xtianity? Remember most of your brother on this forum share different views on who jesus is, bible theology, bible and other things like that, and remember what jesus said:

Mattew 12:25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.

According to Paul:

1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.

Are christians really doing the above^^?

Contrary to other christians views on this section, you pastorkun don't belive in Paul, do you? why don't you bother yourself in engaging your brothers by preaching to them the reason why you don't believe paul? Most you remain being hypocrate?

On the topic I will urge to read this: https://www.nairaland.com/1943131/good-manners-islam

Dude we are talking terrorism here, blood shed and barbarism.
I think it is more of a threat to this world than any confusion in christianity.

The confusions in christianity is their own cup of tea and i dont see them killing anybody for it, But the killings, barbarism, savagery and terrorism these islamic sects have unleashed on the world is a global problem that threatens the very peaceful existence of humans on this planet.

PastorKun:
Your suggestion is totally against and opposite to what christianity teaches us. No true christian would go for this option. That aside, islamic terrorism is not just a christianity versus islam thing. It's a much bigger problem than that also affecting hinduism, Buddhism and all other religions.

hehehehehe the christians in Central African Republic did it.. Na the muslims begin shout for help self

malvisguy212:
what the need of accusing someone that does not exist? That how satan trick eve;


Another reason for rejecting God (choosing atheism), is a willing acceptance of satanic deception.
The angel Lucifer (“luminous one”) fell
and became Satan (“adversary”) due to
his desire to supplant God. This was
Lucifer’s single-minded obsession.
He not only rejected God by attempting
to supplant Him, but he urged humans
to do likewise. Satan urged Eve to choose against God for her own self-fulfilment:
He said to the woman, “Did God actually
say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the
garden’?” And the woman said to the
serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the
trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You
shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the
serpent said to the woman, “You will not
surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:1-5 ESV).

The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s
statements, then, contradict God’s
statements and, finally, urge rebellion in seeking equality with God.

This manifests in atheists as
1. Questioning whether there is a God to
make statements in the first place, so
God did not say anything.
2. Contradicting the statements said to
have been spoken by God.
3. Seeking equality with God by replacing God with the self.

This satanic deception appeals strongly
to atheists as it bolsters two of their
desired delusions: 1) absolute autonomy —being free to do as they please, and 2) the lack of ultimate accountability—there are no eternal consequences for doing as they please.

Now where did all this come out from?
Please you are starting to take this thread out of contest.
Kindly open a thread for the above and we will be more than happy to come and address it.
Lolzzz now the guy is getting emotional... we are not even arguing the existence of any deity here so can you stick to the thread?
We never made any claim that any deity said anything, the bible and the koran made that claim and we are here to refute it.
Now lets continued with the thread at hand my brother...Hope you went to church tho..

malvisguy212:
does this mean you love everybody you have ever come in contact with? Even your atheists friends knows you are not telling the truth.

lolzzz... i suggest you find out what being a humanist is all about..
Radiate boundless love towards the entire earth, undiminished by diversion, race, religion or orientation... we all deserve love
@The bolded is a plain assumption, its an obvious fallacy..
anyway please enough dabbling into my private life style, can we discuss the issue at hand without personal questions cus i wont answer such questions anymore my brother.
And please dont get emotional cus we atheist/agnostics or humanists only do not share ur beliefs, we are not ur enemy.

malvisguy212:
oh yes, it matter most.

Such diversity is the problem with mankind...

malvisguy212:
What do you mean "people I love"? meaning your love has limit

The people i love, my family, my country, africa and humanity... if loosing my life will keep my family, my country, africa or humanity safe then my life is just a little price to pay bro...

malvisguy212:
I want to know who am arguing with, are you an atheists? Do you believe in God?

What does it matter if he is a believer or not?

malvisguy212:
are you a good person? Do you love your neighbours as your self? Will you lay your life for the people you love?

I certainly will lay down my life for my family to live (People i love)... I must say the questions you ask here are clearly unnecessary... I consider the feelings of others in everything i do so yes i do love my neighbours. I do love every human on earth thats what it means to be a humanist.

Image123:
No, at all. His deeds are mentioned ;kind, faithful, helpful. Some other doctors carry on their occupation without these deeds.

sir please leave someone else's work ethic and occupation in this...

Give me an example with general morality that has nothing to do with profession or occupation.

malvisguy212:
see my friend. You cannot be good without God, have you ever love your neighbours as your self? Do you love God with all your mind?if you love your neighbours as your self, you will never do harm to them meaning you are good, for you to have all this you NEED the righteousness of Christ to be implanted in you.in the old testament if a priest come close to the ark of God he will die, bible say our unrighteousness is as filthy as rages.

In His Sermon on the Mount,
Jesus uttered these words: “You
therefore must be perfect, as your
heavenly Father is perfect” ( Matthew
5:48).In Matthew 5:20, Jesus says
that, if His hearers want to enter into the kingdom of heaven, their righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees, who were the experts in the Law.

Obeying the law is more than simply abstaining from killing, committing adultery, and breaking oaths. It’s also not getting angry with your brother, not lusting in your heart, and not making insincere oaths. At the end of all this, we learn that we must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, and that comes from being perfect.ARE YOU PERFECT? Billgate gave billions of dollar to African children even when we don't know what is motive are,he acted good but at the end of the day his righteousness must exceed that of the teachers of the law.

If we understand the difficulties and challenges we all face, we will learn to treat each other with more tolerance, love and care.

Oga ur belief in anything be it yahweh or allah doesnt make you good, your behaviour does..

Bill gates clearly have more revere and compassion towards his fellow humans than pastors who are only interested in extorting money.

I dont even see why you guys are arguing about this...

Image123:
Are you saying that you are sometimes selfish? Well, not every reward has to be selfish or self driven. I know a good doctor as it were. He's faithful, diligent, kind and helpful. He does the extra and is easily the best doctor every year. He is not doing it for nothing. He does it because it gives him satisfaction and of course respect and money. Is he wrong? What makes him wrong if so?

Now you want to reconcile an occupation with morality

Image123:
"Who" refers to persons not deeds. Are we discussing what is good or who is good?

oh yes we all clearly know that.. Stop pretending you dont know what the guy meant buddy, thats deception.

McSterling:
That's what the Bible says, right? One of its many attempts at vitiating man in order to glorify god. Fortunately, the Bible is wrong on that note. Man can both be inherently good and inherently bad.

Imagine the biased mind.. He believes man can be inherently bad but no inherently good.. Just to glorify an idea that yet is man's

goodnight guys...mb finished ...Be good for goodness sake people.. sleep well

Image123:
Okay, so you sometimes do good for reward? What is wrong with it?

Selfishness is obviously not a virtue...

Hiswordxray:
You can want or desire to do something but decide to do the opposite. What you want to do is different from what you decide to do.

My question is have you ever done something bad or decide to do something bad when you desire or want to do the opposite?

None that i can remember

Image123:
You didn't read again, why? Don't be too sure of yourself. He clearly asked "Who do you think is inherently good between the two?" WHO not WHAT.

And by saying who, you and i know he was refering to their deeds as depicted in the example... Common you cannot pretend not know what he meant.

Image123:
Do you ever do good for something in return? Is it wrong?

Oh yes... doing something for an expectation is not inherent goodness.. you only did it for your own gain (reward)

Image123:
Seriously, read it again.

if you actually mean none of the deeds are inherently gud then it wudnt hurt if u use d right word. Then give us ur reasons y u find none of the deeds inherently good

Hiswordxray:
So now you refuse to answer a simple and sincere question?

I believe i answered unless you skip the part where i said that Everything i do/done, good or bad are soley my decisions and i am responsible for them

Acekidc4:
Ok now let me make an illustration; Sori to say dis, let say i saw u in a distress n pitiful situation caused by Chronic Poverty n i decided to help u out by paying all ur debts n setting u up in business wit a vry huge amount of Money, Now am I being Good 4 something or Nothing, and wat comprises of dat SOMETHING? let say I don't believe in God bt I still did dat good 4u frm my heart!!

You did not do it for nothing, you did for everything and that is helping out a fellow human and you did it because you found it to be good and right.
You did not do it because you want reward after...
It is a real noble thing to do and it is inherent goodness born out of goodwill for goodness sake