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Riofidelio:
Oga grammarian, i know if i explain you will not accept it no matter how simple the THEORY but i'll do anyway. There aren't any creatures that are to be seen or noticed apart from those with bodies,but since many mighty spirits are now fugitives away from they proper dwelling places they're prepared to perish but not alone! They're attracting humans with all sort of desires flesh, eyes and showy display,surely they're much more advanced than anyone can imagine,they're like Gods. Their effect is sexual promiscuity in all forms, pursuit of needless riches and all manners of showoff that you're seeing in humans. As they've become enemies of God now,they're doing all within their power to discourage people from thinking about God(a supreme being to whom we must all be submissive) all their effort is to stop people from having any regard for God or HIS word. So if people notice living matters that are not written in the Bible especially in places not mentioned and creatures not mentioned of course they'll start doubting if the Bible is truly divine,that's why they're making themselves visible in all forms to discredit the Bible which ONLY mentioned creatures God made and where HE put them "Earth"!

Please save me the stress sir. I asked the other guy not you .. Thank you

echepops:
Not necessarily end religious beliefs , but one thing is for certain they will be more advanced than us. From a religious point of view, aliens are demons if u ask me.. This is one of the reasons why we haven't had direct contact with them

Aliens are demons? I don't understand how this was reached. Care to elucidate?

Riofidelio:
Obviously you have nothing to offer regarding the topic you yourself opened for public discuss! OK ask me your questions even if it's not having to do with your topic and see how Jesus of Nazareth who's you and your institution ignored has taught us to give you heartwarming replies! You're welcome so let's go, with your questions.

Refer up to it again

Riofidelio:
The topic you opened for PUBLIC discuss is about "aliens in religion" had it been something that's of no meaning to me i'll just waka pass, so if you're sincerely interested in the topic why not just stick to the topic of discuss, let's see if you've got anything worthwhile to say about it's source because as everyone can see truly we have aliens with US today that's why people are going crazy and killing one another! Don't let the ego and arrogance in Science blur your sense of humor towards some other sources of info that could assist in enlighten everyone regarding the on going catastrophe!

My reply was directed to a particular post of yours. You'd do well to answer that. Forget this dance around please

RuthlessLeader:
So an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent God's plan was foiled by a snake and two powerless and curious human beings? Ok oo.

It's funny what people'd believe

Riofidelio:
We were created to live forever as youths on esrth with no pains in 100% security and peace of mind. Each man with his own woman,in a house of our choice,having a garden big full of nourishing foods,with animals around to do certain things that we can't as we command them!

Doesn't this fantasy lack purpose? Thus meaningless?

That is God's plan before creating humans on Earth,i'm sorry it's more than a sentence so can you ask your questions now regarding "aliens"?

God's plan really is that easy to thwart? How sure are you that heaven have not been spoiled too?

tintingz:
I think it won't be wise to use anti-Islamic source for your argument.

Agreed but both the Quran and bible have much scientifically inaccurate claims which you wouldn't blame them for if you consider the time and individuals responsible.

FortifiedCity:
Yesterday I made a comment https://www.nairaland.com/4588360/otedola-bridge-lagos-tanker-explosion#68911801about how I and my family are supernaturally excused from disasters and can never die via a mishap, and I got the highest mentions since I joined this forum with people saying a whole lot. This is what I believe and it's working for me

We might/might not be age mates but we are definitely not grace mates. Grace speaks for me


My condolences to the bereaved

Actually you are an ldiot. Enough said

budaatum:
Hmm! I don't think I'm having that, being that I am liberal myself, as in, in favour of the adult individual making their own choices.

If a man wants to cut off his dick and grow boobs, or a woman do the equivalent - cut off their boobs and grow a dick - please, what's my business in that? It's their body and their business. Besides, once you start dictating whether people can cut bits of their body or not or and attach bits to it that they want, it wouldn't take long for you to claim I must have certain thoughts and those thoughts only, and be telling me what to believe or not believe, and I wouldn't like that!

Liberalism gives the right to individuals to make the choices that best suit them. It is an ideology of self responsibility - you cut off your dick and the benefit, or dis-benefit is yours, and has nothing to do with a second or third party!

I do not agree that others should be ones keeper more than one is the keeper of oneself, provided one is deemed of sound mind and an adult.

Read that top post again

budaatum:
“I wish I listened to you” from a young man who regrets taking cross-sex hormones and undergoing surgery.

I’m only in my mid [twenties]. I transitioned in my teens and had surgery. I was [too] young to make such a decision. I’ve sunken into such a deep regret. I don’t even feel transgender anymore. I feel like my old self. I am happy with a female appearance but that is all I really needed. I feel like I was brainwashed by the transgender agenda and by gender norm expectations. I would do anything to [have] my penis back. My feelings were confusing and I thought they would never go away. I’m just a guy who’s really in touch with my feminine side. I can’t believe what I’ve done to my life. And now I have no choice but to take hormones forever. I don’t know what to do. I feel like I’m losing my mind. All I would have had to do was discontinue my hormones and everything would have been alright. I honestly feel 100% normal and okay . . . if only I had never had that surgery.

Democrats politics is killing the sanity of this planet. That typical "Why not let anyone do whatever they want to do" it is absurd.

Why exactly do we have Law and Order.

Laws and Orders are not individually inclined, they are for collective societal good and continuation. But today, the left makes individualistic arguments that can only mar the human race.

Identity is never something someone inherits. It is psychological, mental. A neurological projection and can be informed by many things.

When someone who is factually male says he feels like female - I don't doubt that feeling but I understand that there is a problem and it shouldn't be denied.

Politics Will ruin this planet especially Liberal politics that is turning lunatic every passing day.

When identity is factually incorrect, its delusion.

If you walk into a clinic and say "I'm Muhammad Buhari" everyone agrees you have mental delusion.

Go to into the hospital and say "Doc I want you to amputate my perfectly healthy leg, I feel I'm an amputee so I want to amputate my leg to coincide with my feelings". The doctor would diagnose you of mental crase and put you under psychotic drugs.

But go into same hospital and say " Doc I need you to amputate my perfectly healthy genitaIia, I feel like I'm the opposite sex"

Liberal logic, that is not mental delusion

People play too much in this life

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budaatum:
Meet Walt Heyer, he spent 8 years as a transgender female. Here’s why he says diagnosing young kids as transgender is child abuse.

“From my point of view as a former child who did this, it’s child abuse, and it shouldn’t be done.”

It is child abuse but they wouldn't know that

Evangkatsoulis:
Just change the email attached to your nairaland account to a more active email.

Done. Thank you boss

Lukuluku69:
It wasn't not Alexander the Great that that verse talked about. The highlighted was the opinion of Yusuf Ali. And the Quran never said the Earth was Flat! And lol, the Ancient Greeks never ventured beyond the Status of one idol of their ( can't remember the name now) why? So that they won't fall off at the other end. Read other commentators opinion on that Traveller. The Quran explicitly stated that the Earth we have made Egg shaped.

Oga you are wrong. It was an ancient Greek, Erastosene that first figured out the earth was round.

I don't know where you get your own information from oo

RuthlessLeader:
Considering the fact that religions are stil going strong after all our advances as a species, I don't see how the discovery of a bacterium on enceladus will affect religion in any profound way. I think that for us to say religion will be affected meaningfully, the doctrines of the next generation will be almost unrecognizable to the immediate past one

Doesn't such discovery give insights on abiotic origins which in fact is directly contradictory to religious stance on life creation?

Doesn't such new proven information solidify arguments against the necessity of God for man's beginning thus ending such argument?

I agree with you but only if it is a civilization level alien or caveman level.


There are almost 40,000 christian denominations and doctrines. There are likely to be many answers to these simple questions rather than accepting christianity/religion is bullshit.

Discovery of life outside earth is a scenario Christian theology is not equipped to explain.

So the whole concept falls apart.

They could have a secular ideology that is an evolution of religion and if they are outright atheists/agnostics they may as well choose to deal only with scientists/secularists and use them(us) to govern earth or something

And the implication of Alien contact with common folks would be?

Lukuluku69:
Nope. I only offered a possible explanation of the drop of mingled sperm based on what Science say.

Could this be you trying to reinterprete that clear text to coincide with what science of today says.

Assuming science today says sperms comes from the backbone you wouldn't have seen any need to proffer a different interpretation as you have just done.

I think that's kind of intellectual dishonesty

Lukuluku69:
Let me straight away tell you that I am no Scholar of the Quran. I don't know Arabic but I know a little of English and my Language Yoruba. At the bolded, ALL of them are your opinion and nothing more. Bring clear verses that says " and We created the Heavens solid. I hope you know what is meant by Figure of Speech? And talking about a piece of the sky falling on someone, how would you describe a situation where Asteroids hit a community?

I think he made strong points he explicitly verified with Quranic verses that you have not refuted. I doubt if that is refutable though

Arondizuogu:
Who was it built for?

An amoeba in a puddle could ask that too

RuthlessLeader:
The only way I can see religion and other social phenomena being affected by alien life is if we are confronted by an alien civilization that wants to conquer/assimilate us.

And if these life forms are just microbes it wouldn't affect religions?

I say this because of the examples in history. Take for instance our ancestors in their communities. Before the colonialists, they had their own languages, religions and cultural norms and practices. After they came, we got nigeria where we worship another people's God, wear their clothes and have the same mannerisms and speak their language in our own dialect.

If an alien civilization were to meet with us with an active interest in our affairs; these things would change:
Language: As the civilization would have likely have colonized other worlds, they might have a galactic lingua franca for ease of communications which earth would have to learn.
Culture: when the colonialists came to nigeria back then, we were practically a nudist culture(igbos) or wore little clothing, had barbaric practices(killing twins, osu etc) and were generally primitive in all things. Today, we have poor clothing incapable of protecting us from elements, have stupid practices like sexism and racism, and technologically have only reached the moon. The aliens would have likely have conquered all this before becoming a spacefaring people.
Religion: The aliens would be stronger than us and more advanced. It would make sense for all our present day religions to go extinct and theirs become the new world religion. Or maybe they may be a secular or atheistic society.

Budaatum dalaman martinez19 hakeem12

Let us picture it this way, the Christian cosmogony paints a universe that is duly made with man as the masterpiece of the creator. In christian conception the cosmos started with the genesis narration and will end with the coming of Christ where everything is phased out to be created again. Now finding life everywhere else in the universe will imply new questions being injected into the christian narrative.

Are they subject to the original sin?
Death of jesus concerns them too?
Were they also created by God?
Does God speak with them just as he speaks to us?
I think a more advanced race is less likely to be religious. So what if they have no religion in the first place?

Freh:
Creation stories are mythical they are not to be taken literally. They are like parables. The right side of your brain is responsible for such creations. It tries to use pictures and images to portray truths that left brain would use numbers and facts to treat. Certain things cannot be presented yet in left brain language but the more science advances and new terms are created and new definitions which help us map the universe and our consciousness we will start understanding things as they truly are and loose the need for parables and dark hidden sayings.
There are a lot of phenomena we cannot observe simply because our minds cannot recognise it. It's like how I couldn't tell the constellations in the night sky and everything just seemed chaotic. But as I read books which told me about Orion, pleidaes, ursa majorand minor now any starry night I can identify them without breaking a sweat.
Different creation stories is not a proof that their religion was or is false. That's the problem with Religion. The first person who had the dream was probably transformed by its wisdom and meaning but overtime people loose grasp of the truth and worship external forms.

Somehow this makes sense to me too

OkaiCorne:
Hi OP...it's a very interesting thread you've opened and has got me thinking a lot!


Ummm, extra-terrestial life will no doubt have an impact on religion as we see it. Especially if these extra-terrestials are far more advanced in intelligence than the human race. Several centuries into the future, these extra-terrestials will end up being worshipped as gods too.

What if this extra terrestrial life forms are just simple organisms like unicellular life forms?

With all due respect to what the human race has achieved... I still think there's a whole lot of things we don't know yet...

Just my two cents... please I'm not here to fight or argue with anyone...

Cheers...

Sure thing my man

tartar9:
“And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and earth and what creatures He has dispersed throughout them . And He, for gathering them when He wills , is competent.”
[The Holy Quran 42:29]

“And to Allah prostrates
whatever creature is in the heavens and whatever is on the Earth , and also the angels , and they are not arrogant.” [The Holy Quran 16:49]

No,existence of extra terrestrial life won't shake my beliefs-it only shows the might of God.

You do not understand the implications presented: Example; Finding microbial life forms on Mars will give insight on life formation mostly lending credibility to abiotic origins.

How will such discoveries fit into the narrative of Allah creating life to you?

What purpose can you ascribe for such occurance?

Now let's turn the question around:
How will the realization of the non-existence of extra terrestrial life affect your beliefs as an atheists-won't this strongly imply the existence of God?

Not really. As i am now i believe that it is either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Discovering the universe is devoid of life everywhere else raises a lot of question which one of those includes conditions necessary, factors and agents necessary.

Thou this is an hypothetical question because we can't know surely if extra terrestrial life do not exist,but we are strongly pointed towards this direction....The Fermi paradox.

organic compounds are carbon based thus we are carbon based life forms. the four major elements necessary for life are in abundance in the universe, so it is more likely that there is life everywhere else than it is that there is not. there is also a possibility that we are the first or even the very last of such.

Lukuluku69:
Let us assume that Earthlings encounter some Aliens or let say we are able to land on the Moons of Jupiter in say 50 years from now. On getting there, we met with exactly what obtains here on Earth vis some bowing as the Muslims do, some saying someone came and died for their sins some eons ago, while some set up images of some past holy figures in the past, do you think this will shatter Religion as we know it on Earth? I think not.

Its very unlikely that this scenario will play out.

CAPSLOCKED:

OPS!
SEEMS I'M GONNA WATCH THIS ONE FROM THE STANDS AS A GEOCENTRIST.

Geocentrist? What does that mean?

Blakjewelry:
for me ¡ I know there are but finding one is another topic all together. as for the religious guys ? it won't shatter their belief because they are going come up with a good story to maintain the status quo. they will tell god created the aliens too, some will say they demons lol others will say god hide them for a reason.

It would be difficult to explain away how full microbal life forms in a world fits into the purpose narrative.. I think such findings will lend weight to abiotic origins of life and that is bad news for God.

thesicilian:
If we find extraterrestrial life outside of Earth, the questions that will be on most religious minds will include things like, Did God create these beings?

True and this will also provide deeper insight on scientific position about the origin of life.

If so why have they remained hidden from us for so long? If not, then who created them? It it then false, what is written in John 1, that all things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. ? And if that is false, how then can we believe anything thing else?

Thus a need for doctrinal and theological revisions will be in order

thesicilian:
It's going to change a lot about what we know and think about God.

How so?

Teempakguy, bqlekan, blakjewelry, robinhenz, menesheh, pastorAIO, hahn, Mariasucre, seun, mrphysics

In the note of the on going animosity between participants of this board leading to mostly derailment of important threads, i call for restraint and respect for this thread. I am raising this topic because of its interesting potentials. This is a ground for profound reflection and discussion within the premise raised.
If you are here for other things, please kindly ignore the thread or just read comments and debates

So back to the thread.

Recently. The presence of complex organic materials have been confirmed on Mars. It is speculated that they may be remnants of ancient microbial life on Mars or in someway connected to such.

Organic materials have been detected on Mars and some other parts of the Solar system like Titan but the difference with this discovery is that none is as complex as this one found preserved in a dried lake bed on Mars.

Read more COMPLEX ORGANIC MATERIAL ON MARS

So back to the premise of the thread.

Not withstanding that everyday is inching us closer and closer to discovering life outside earth, within the solar system or some other corner of the universe or meeting an utter disappointment if the universe happens to be devoid of life.

But considering the size of the universe, abundance of elements necessary for organic compounds, water and light, it is more likely that the universe is teaming with life is so many remote corners and distant worlds maybe even in our own backyard (Mars) even if these are just microbes as simple as a single cell.

I began thinking on the implications of such discovery on so many aspects of our lives. if we confirm life outside earth, a subject that has been reserved for science fiction culture will be confirmed and the implication of such discovery on very important parts of our lives cannot be over-emphasized.

Politics
Physics
biology
communication
philosophy and
Religion

Will be changed forever.

These other aspects are important and must also be included in our discussion but i think we mostly know how this find will affect science, there are already branches of science that accommodates the possibilities of extra terrestrial life forms like astrobiology.

For religion, it will shake the very foundations of doctrinal values across several religions in the world especially the conventional popular ones. New arguments will be included on doctrinal positions and many of the held beliefs of today will be discarded in effect.

So this is where all of us come.

What do you think will be the implications of such discovery on human religion and spirituality? why?

If you think it wouldn't change a thing, why?

Let us discuss and argue with civility.