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Christianity EtcDoes Evolution Negate Design? by johnydon22(op): 8:00pm On Dec 26, 2017
The simple and straight answer is No

Well on this board people probably are too rigid in thinking, others perhaps are forced to walk same faulty straight line in thought.

Here, it is seen as evolution VS design. These are the two lines and none overlaps, none crosses the other.

But as this post is meant to argue, design doesn't really negate evolution neither does evolution negate design.

This post probably is to the advantage of those who argue for a designed world or man.

When we say Evolution it simply means development, modifications, transition.

Now my point on the post isn't too much to grasp, all you need is a basic thought on the nature of design.

Go through every form of design you know on earth, its a constant story of a long lingering evolution.

The first computers were simple abacus, I think that'd go further to the first counting stones but today the computer have grown to be so sophisticated that it looks totally different from its ancestors.

Or perhaps a look at Mercedes Benz of 1930s and that of today.

They look nothing alike.

The Mercedes Benz designs and functionalities have evolved through the years.

Or perhaps the mobile phone through the ages.

There are no design that do no go through consistent stage of modifications/evolution.

Evolution is in fact a tool of design.

So when ever I observe the arguments here and it seems to be a well pronounced line of Evolution vs design, it bemoans the lack of debth in many individuals method of thinking.

Evolution do not negate design, as a matter of fact if God or a creator made humans or everything, it appeals to logic that these designs also goes through stages of development and modifications of existing designs.

Let anyone who wish to argue fully understand the position they wish to argue on, matters of such magnitude have more debth than just left and right wing.
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 7:55pm On Dec 26, 2017
ScienceWatch:
He admire your unigue intelligence
1.
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 7:42pm On Dec 26, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
the dude started his second reply with the word "Firstly" grin
That should tell you everything you need to know
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 6:40pm On Dec 26, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
this is a good idea
You just got quoted twice for the same post by same dude.. More probably incoming..

You don't get the joke yet?

Clue = Madness.

I'll be counting mine..
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 2:53pm On Dec 26, 2017
DeRay98:
All these arguments by atheists na pure intellectual calystenics.
People who consider themselves intellectuals then to see everything in life purely from intellectual angle. If you disagree they see you as intellectually deficient and intellectually lazy.
They pride themselves as superior beings without admitting it, the love to argue about everything and speak grammar. The unfortunate thing is thT by the reality done on them we won't see them to ask what happened. Una do oh. embarassed
I have seen a lot of people say so much without saying anything... This is one of that
PhonesRe: Meet The Man Who Invented The Internet For Free, Now He Is Broke by johnydon22(m): 2:16pm On Dec 26, 2017
Lorhdany:
Don't mind the OP, Sir Tim Berners-Lee is worth $50 million and is currently a Professor of Computer Science at the University of Oxford. He is also a senior researcher at MIT. So the man is definitely not broke.
If you consider what he would have made as the inventor of the internet to $50m, I think you'd understand the OP's point.
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 2:09pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Lol. I understand. You are smart. You've seen the point. If that's your way of being honest, I see you.
#Sighs
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 2:02pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
What/who is God?

"Atheism stops at disbelief in God".... Kindly replace GOD with its definition in this quoted clause of yours.
www.Google.com.ng
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 2:02pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
That's bullshi't and you know it. How was this opposite of atheism arrived at since it is not a belief? Logic? Emotions? A Fact? A Claim? What exactly is atheism if it is not a BELIEF?
Add "Dis" to "belief" on your definition of theism.
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:58pm On Dec 26, 2017
sonofthunder:
its like you don't understand my position here... religious people are having a discussion as regards their religion and/or God and you think atheists should have a say... maybe why your brothers keep spamming threads with trash always.
Yes.

because like i said before, both God and religions are matters of public concern as we feel the effects of these two subjects none withstanding our position or opinion on them.

Therefore you are allowed to comment and have a say on them
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:56pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Theism is a BELIEF in God or God's. A Belief. What is Atheism? A BELIEF too?
Opposite of theism.. Just add "Dis" to "belief" on that definition and you get your answer
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:55pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
Okay, let's break it down.

Do atheists believe in spirits ( a supernatural being)?
This a matter of personal conviction not theism or atheism.

Someone can be atheist and believe in supernatural things. It has nothing do to do with atheism.

Atheism stops at disbelief in God, what ever you believe after that doesn't make you more or less atheistic.

Most atheists do not believe in spirits or supernatural things but there are atheists who do.

What your personal convictions are do not redefine that you can be called an atheist once you lack belief on the existence of God(s)
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:48pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
Well, they aren't theist, neither are they atheist. They are simply agnostic s. Theists are certain God exists. Atheists are certain God doesn't exist. But agnostics say neither of them can say for sure.
After all this discussion, this where we land again?

Ok
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:45pm On Dec 26, 2017
danvon:
Let's see the end of stupid arguments like 'Atheist developed the world' 'Isaac Newton was an Atheist' 'Science opposes religion'
Appeal to authority.

Newton wasn't an atheist though
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:43pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
Lolol. When I say "supernatural," I talk about unseen forces which constantly influence the physical , and not some myths like unicorns.
I used the unicorn to paint a relatable analogy. A unicorn is a natural concept not a supernatural one.

I use that example to show a simple thing. Nature exists but that doesn't mean a unicorn (which is a natural being) does.

Same way someone can say, supernatural plain exists but that doesn't mean God (supernatural being) does..

Do not be in a haste to reply, first try to understand the argument
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:38pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
Agnostics believe believe the concept of God cannot be understood. They are partly atheistic and theistic
Thus the concept of Agnostic atheism or agnostic theism
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:37pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
But it is because you know something about that you reject it? You are in a neutral position like a new born baby. You decided to reject it because you studied it and know it is full of shit. So you know. And if you don't or think there proof is not good enough, why not stay neutral like an agnostic until you know a lot? Why should a man who knows there's no God be the same man who knows God is unknowable?
Nope not necessarily, many things can inform disbelief.

Example:

You; I have a diamond pig

me: I don't believe you.


I do not necessarily need to know whether you do or not, i just do not see evidence that suggests you do therefore i express doubt over your claim.

So disbelief doesn't equate knowability just an expression of doubt
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:28pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
No, but not entirely.
Thus broadly..

comprehende?
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:25pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
This belief is contrasting. Isn't the concept of God itself a supernatural thing?
A unicorn is a natural concept but we don't believe it exist none the less. So one can believe in supernatural while maintaining disbelief for the concept of God.

That you say that a bag exists doesn't mean you believe a diamond ball is inside the bag

I hope you understand it now
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:24pm On Dec 26, 2017
bkool7:
An agnostic believes it is impossible to know if god(s) exist ("Strong Agnosticism"wink, or believes that the answer may in principle be discovered, but is currently not known ("Weak Agnosticism"wink. Some agnostics feel that the answer is not important.
Now the important question, judging from the agnostic position would you say such a person believes in the concept of God abound?
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:22pm On Dec 26, 2017
sonofthunder:
but you just said atheism is not a religion, can you please explain how you do not need another section to air your opinion of God because I believed its the religion of those in said section that ignites their views on the subject of God.
just like you said, it treats the subject of (belief in) God and not a disbelief... maybe Seun should create an irreligious or miscellaneous section.
"God" is not peculiar to religion as a subject. More so, an atheist can be religious too as stated on my post.

Again, both God and religions are matters of public concerns as we feel the effects of these two subjects none withstanding our position or opinion on them
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:18pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
Not entirely. Atheist: entirely.
I do not understand this.

Does an agnostic believe in God?
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:16pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Doesn't the lack of belief in a deity suggest knowability?
Nope. Just like "belief" doesn't suggest same
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:15pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
But it entertains beliefs of the supernatural
an atheist can believe in Supernatural things. Definition of atheism stops at "Disbelief in God"
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:12pm On Dec 26, 2017
sirfee:
Can you back up the bolded statement.
There are atheistic religions, or even the practice of conventional religions without the belief in God. Example Christian atheism

what do you have to say about deism.
An example of belief in a God without religion
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:11pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Google.

Atheism: Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of
deities.

Agnosticism: Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God , of the divine or the
supernatural is unknown or
unknowable.

Now Define Agnosticism Atheism?
using same Google.

Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:09pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
How? I disagree. Agnosticism is the bridge between Theism and Atheism.
Does an agnostic belief in God?
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:09pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
Buddhism is Theistic. They call their God Buddha.
Nope, Buddha is not God in buddhism. Buddha simply means a state of enlightenment, perfect intelligence or ethical precision.
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:05pm On Dec 26, 2017
Purebeerry:
You are either a free thinker or you are a religious person.

I choose to be religious.
Good for you. I choose to be free
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:03pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Does this apply to every other definition or just to the definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism?
Just define "atheism" and "agnosticism"
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 1:02pm On Dec 26, 2017
NothingDoMe:
@johnydon22. I'm of the opinion that a mortal man shouldn't make use of the word MUST when he doesn't have the power to enforce it.
I totally agree. I think i was just trying to chip in a dose of humor, sarcasm perhaps. I know none of these arguments really would end, people'd still bring them up in 2018
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 12:59pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
That's bullshit. That's like saying Pantheism is Monotheism in a broad sense.
For someone to be agnostic, it's already obvious such a person doesn't really believe in God... So by default (absence of belief) an agnostic is in fact atheistic

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