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frank317:
U must have serious mental issues

Obviously mehn its so sad really

OtemSapien:
That's not what Jim Iyke is saying? After falling under the so-called 'manipulation' of the anointing, the real problem which led him to TB Joshua's church wasn't solved. His mother was not healed, but she died of the same sickness she was taken to Joshua with.
Now what we should ask is WHAT'S THE USE OF FALLING UNDER ANY SO-CALLED ANOINTING(Hypnotism) WHEN THE MEDICAL PROBLEM WASN'T SOLVED EVENTUALLY?

cc: hopefullandlord, ranchoddas, dalamam, johnydon22, realmindz, sciencewatch

Sounds like hypnosis to me

rejosom:
Ewo... As scary as this sounds to my ear it's logical nonetheless.

Of course most people don't understand the implications of their assertions

BluntBoy:
Mary was the mother of Jesus but not the mother of God.

Jesus is not God then?

Scholar8200:
well, after being told what God's plan was let's hear Mary :

Luke

38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

I believe that settles it. She couldn't have said, "I am God's mother because she knew it was impossible to claim to give existence to the One Who gave her life and existence!

Still she gave birth to Jesus, Yes or No?

kevoh:
That's Osanobua messing with the Sun's light switch duh. I don't know and have no idea, I would have gone for a huge object,like a UFO spaceship, blocking the sun's ray in that region but then again I take UFO stories and sighting with a pinch of salt. Another thing is why are most of the reported sightings linked to Marian events?

Huge question

Scholar8200:
But God created Mary. Hence she was just a vessel used, among many, by God

Still doesn't mean she didn't give birth to Jesus who is God and thus a Mother of God.

Unless you don't know what a person who gives birth to someone is called.

Scholar8200:
sure she was the mother of Jesus.

this is good enough for me.

Second question.

Is Jesus God or not?

adepeter2027:
I wasn't à catholic, gat no idea about you guys talking about.

Anyways, lemme Park here,besides, yaff never experienced dancing sun too

Check the videos

Scholar8200:
In my humble opinion, Mary cannot be the mother of God. I believe it is one of the many ways by which people exalt the creature more than the Creator.

God made Mary; God planned redemption and it included His incarnation; Mary , His creature, was to be His chosen means (just like the donkey was the means chosen for the Triumphal entry). Hence what matters is the purpose of it all, not the means He chose!

Then was there any Scripturally verifiable reason prior to the Incarnation that qualified Mary for this? No! What then? It was just God's choice. But she was a virgin! Yes, and there was many of them then. Just like there were many widows in Israel but Elijah was sent to the one at Zarepath.

Is Mary mother of Jesus or not?

urahara:


But on a serious note , in the instance of Fatima , not all the believers so the sun dance

So I have read

urahara:
Lala and co should push dis to FP

Password : snake , Tonto dikeh ,

LOL the title will be, Famous Nairaland atheist thinks dancing sun is a miralce

urahara:
Funny enough , this isn't the first of its kind.

Remember fatima and they all seem to follow the same pattern.

Yeah the famous fatima story.

urahara:
And the word of prophet johnnydon22 came to past.

If this is satan then its remarkable. God is busy curing headaches and giving TB Joshua visions while Satan is shaking something as big as the sun. I'd say satan is more impressive then

bloodofthelamb:
Satan trying so hard to lead people away from salvation(Christ Jesus)... He is trying so hard to cement the worship of Mary with his little tricks and divination.

ok

urahara:
If I do so say so myself , the miracle of the sun is about the greatest and the only christian miracle I have ever seen .

You are probably right

I do not hastily conclude anything shrouded in mystery a miracle, i am not superstitious and i seek only to understand. I want to understand why and how? The relation between this phenomenon and marian feasts.

I wish to know if there are records of these events in the ancient days, i wish to know if there instances of this happening on a normal day that has nothing to do with Marian feast. So many questions that needs to be considered.

we should carefully scrutinise that which we don't yet understand

I wish to know it and not fear my ignorance and ascribe a sense of uncalled awe to it

shortgun:
The Catholics should come and explain

Abi o or maybe anyone could tender a scientific (natural) explanation that we could still discuss and consider on it's merits

hahn:
It could be an effect of delusion

you are probably right, even the videos were equally as deluded.

Could it have something to do with that particular day? It could be that that happens on that particular day and the catholics simply decide to attribute it to their own god

Does this occur yearly? Did anything "miraculous" happen that day?

Nope it's not yearly and the Marian feasts it actually occurs are not fixed. Mine was on the 8th of September (supposedly Marian birthday), the last one i heard about in Enugu was on a 1st October i think 2013 on a rosary carnival day. then the benin stuff was on 13 of october then this lagos event yesterday 28th.

It's random and it's not fixed, the only thing all these dates have in common is a Marian feast or celebration

purem:
Does Catholic took Mary as the mother of God or are you the one asserting that?

Actually Theotokos is an established Marian title by the catholic church not my own assertion. Doubt me, recite the hail Mary

urahara:
My question now is that what do Pentecostals think , when they see all this ?

we will probably hear their opinions here though on the other threads they were the skeptical ones and many just threw insults at the catholics the typical Nigerian style of argument

urahara:
Ever noticed that this event is only limited to the prayer grounds . why is that so ?

That is another huge problem here: After my own experience back then, there was this family friend of ours, a woman that usual came to talk with mama and she was a pentecostal. She lived not far from the catholic church in the area.

She claimed to have seen that same thing from the balcony of her apartment and said "This is because of that catholic feast"

She told this to my Mum, "You catholics sometimes scare me" I was there during this very discussion.

it may not be entirely restricted to that prayer ground but more so to that particular vicinity.

hahn:
Maybe Ra is trying to tell us something

probably and somehow has a liking to mariam feasts, does he want to collect Yahweh baby mama?. LOL Ra should just do better we cannot understand the words in a blinking sun unless we try morse code though.

Ok Hahn let's get serious now cus this thing right here is a total mind fuqq

purem:
The complicated scripture attributes Jesus as God

And still describes him has a son of God

And the Christians often make use of the statement "JESUS IS LORD"

and Lord been the title of the Supreme God means they're actually calling him God..

So my answer to this question is JESUS MAY BE GOD

There are many parts of the scriptures that also suggest jesus isn't God. Anyway that is by the way.

let us assume now that Jesus is God, Mary gave birth to jesus when he wanted to visit earth.

Jesus = God
Mary = His Mother

How so does the OP think it's wrong to ascribe the title theotokos (Mother of God) to Mary?

Yes. I think this issue should be investigated and a satisfactory conclusion reached. Twice this october threads about dancing sun mostly associated with Catholic Marian feasts have been on the front page.

One in benin: https://www.nairaland.com/4118155/virgin-mary-appears-edo-state

And another in lagos; https://www.nairaland.com/4144917/virgin-mary-miracle-sun-lagos

Well i know this must come as a surprise but i have actually witnessed this before. Uhuh you heard correctly, i have witnessed this before so i am not judging this based on hear-say or Youtube video evidences out there but also from my own experience.

On the 8th of September 2003 or so. It was a day mostly marked by catholics as the Birthday of the virgin Mary and i happened to be there. After the whole higgy hagga, the cake cutting, dancing, welcome songs, plays and all.

At a point just a little before two o clock, there were singing the famous "Ave Maria Song" and suddenly shouts littered the air and all eyes were fixed on the sun.

The most surprising thing is that when you look at the sun in that moment, it doesn't hurt the eyes one bit, almost like watching an orange big sun in the sunset.

The frightening part was the constant weird blinking of the sun. Like the Sun was constantly getting big and small, big and small in moments.

Ok as you all know i am not a superstitious man and i pride myself to be open. I want to put this phenomenon under scrutiny, let us talk about this and reason.

Maybe there is a natural explanation to it, maybe it is something out of the ordinary, we do not know yet.

Another curious fact about this is that it seem to only happen during a Marian feast or prayer


and it seems to be a local phenomenon (that is peculiar to that particular location) we all know that the sun is global and what ever happens to the sun at least everyone in a particular city should know but when these things happen every other person in the city seem or country or continent always are oblivious of it, it only occurs on that particular location or vicintiy

I once brought it up on on my Thinkers Pub group (Anony1 is our coordinator and my personal good friend) Nobody was able to bring something up, seems everyone is equally as mind fuqed as i am.

So let me hear your thoughts on this.

More videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzlMUvpGIR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YR6INkTK7Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO5AQyN-Xjg&t=260s

Loj, jackbizzle, hahn, hopefullandlord.

I want to comment on the issue of Mary being the Theothokos - Mother of God.


Please lets start with a question: Is Jesus God?

JackBizzle:
He knows. He now claims to be a deist christian. Whatever that means.

I always tell them, no one ever remains the same after arguing with atheists. Fundamental Christians turn deist Christians lol.

Meaning the arguments help modify people's views.

Lol

Please abeg wetin concern African man with holloween. We too dey carry things wey no concern us for head pass people wey get am. When it's time for New yam festival or Ogun festival now, nobody go still notice.

An African adage says: he who do not know where the rain started beating him wont know when it stopped.

Useless!!!

Abeg make them comot this one for my face mbok

4kings:
KingEbukasBlog Analice107 butterflyl1on johnydon22 bennyann MrPresident1 come and answer this.

Gonna reply this tomorrow

Samsimple:
"ohh my God!!!" God exclaimed "
johnydon22 you are not serious oohh

urahara:
We re waiting o

done

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Modified: johnydon22, nairaland is hiding the link. Why?

I don't know o, maybe they black listed my forum link. Seun oya please come and do something about this bikonu... Its on my profile picture here though