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Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 12:56pm On Dec 26, 2017
lilmax:
the crap "atheism " should end in 2017


it can't stand without a God....I don't take atheists seriously

Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 12:51pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
I'd also like to see the end of the tag 'Agnostic Atheist'. It makes no sense. You are either an atheist or agnostic. You can't be both.
Actually agnosticism is atheistic in a broad sense.
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 12:50pm On Dec 26, 2017
CandidSeeker:
RELIGION MAY OR MAYNOT INVOLVE GOD.

Going By The Definitions Below, We Are All Religious
.

An activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly. -Cambridge

A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. -Oxford Living Dictionaries

A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. -Dictionary.com

An interest, a belief or an activity that is very important to a person or group. -Webster
Good then... Affirms point
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 12:21pm On Dec 26, 2017
Samsimple:
I agree atheism is not a religion then what the hell are you guys f*cking doing in this motherf*cking religion section other than to disturb dem f*cking believers
Atheism is the disbelief in God(s).. Niaraland religious section treats the subject of God, so we are here to air our own opinion on the subject of God..
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 12:15pm On Dec 26, 2017
mujahid777:
Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.
Believing in an uncaused God isn't irrational?

Imagine the irony and consonant conclusions on uncausality packed in this one post..

Funny grin
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 12:14pm On Dec 26, 2017
mujahid777:
You gave a humanist definition of what morality should be and not an atheistic one.Atheism in itself has no concept of morality.
Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.
Last I checked I referred to my definition as socially hinged not atheistic..

Haaaaaa..
Nairaland GeneralRe: Popular Nairaland by johnydon22(m): 11:07am On Dec 26, 2017
BaEnki:
Well to me you're, maybe its because I'm your active follower.
probably
Christianity EtcRe: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 11:06am On Dec 26, 2017
Atheism is the opposite of religion

This is typically found among atheists especially new ones. Somehow most people mistake irreligiously for atheism which is not so.

One do not necessarily need to be religious to believe in God.

And one also do not necessarily need to be irreligious in order to be atheistic.

Though it will be fair to note that irreligiousness is mostly found in atheists but there are also people who believe in God but are not religious.

One can be religious and still be atheistic, there are numerous religious practices that exempt or are indifferent to the existence of God.

Irreligiosness is the direct opposite of religiosity

A truer statement rather is that Atheism is the opposite of theism

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Nairaland GeneralRe: Popular Nairaland by johnydon22(m): 10:57am On Dec 26, 2017
BaEnki:
My most popular Nairalanders ranked in no particular order are;smiley
Explorers
Lalasticlacla
Johnydon22
Billyonaire
Airforce1
Mynd44
Tosyne2much
I was not even active on nairaland, how so am i popular in 2017
Christianity EtcRidiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(op): 10:57am On Dec 26, 2017
I have been on this board for years and one must be forced to admit that all the arguments we go through here have seen numerous recycling. It is not so surprising because the argument of whether God(s) exist or not will always remain an Inconclusive one

But there are also some arguments here that are nothing but just silly. Some absurd arguments unworthy of attention due to the gross misrepresentation or just naivety of the arguer on the subject.

Here are a list of arguments i think should not cross over to 2018.

Atheism is a religion

As ridiculous as this sounds, it still somehow manages to crop up every now and then. Atheism is just as much religion as theism and theism is not a religion but a position.

I will try to simplify this to the most fundamental build-up so that whoever brings it up again, we all will agree is an id-iot.

Theism - Belief that God exists: This is not a religion, it is just a label for exercising belief in God or Gods

Atheism - Disbelief in the existence of God: Just like theism this is still not a religion but rather a label to quantify the position of unbelief in deities.

However. Religions can be formed based on Theistic and atheistic principles.

For example: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism are religions based on the fundamental principles or assumption that God exists,
Broad atheistic religions like Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism lack this principle, either in denial of Gods or a clear indifference to the subject.

Imagine Theism or atheism as beer crates.

In the theistic crate you find A bottle of christianity, Islam, hinduism, ATL and many others. Removes these bottles, the crate will still be there.

Same goes for atheism.

So to say Atheism is a religion is just an imbecilic as saying a crate of beer is a bottle.

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Without God, where do atheists get their morality from?

This argument is used often and mostly from a naive standpoint. One must first of all understand the average atheist's stance on morality. Morality is a societal construct, a society makes and sets it's own rules and laws, stipulates it's own morals and this is hinged on a basic definition.

"Anything that decreases human suffering and directly or indirectly affects general societal well being, justice, equality, freedom and continuation"

This definition is socially hinged.

On the other hand, a sin is a religious construct and this are actions that goes against God's will.

A sin therefore is not necessarily societally wrong.

Atheists do not really bother what your religion regards a sin or not, No. Atheists are humans in a human society therefore are guided by human laws and ethics as stipulated by the society.

And also react to certain actions out of empathy, compassion and love and these are human emotions.



Who created the universe?

First, this argument invokes the logical fallacy of begging the question. By using the "term" who, you have already determined that your answer must be a "who" therefore whatever answer that falls out of this predetermined expectation scope is invalid and wrong.

Rather the correct question is "How did the universe came to be?" with this your answer can either be a "who" or a "what"

Again, this argument also is a projection of argument from ignorance, if you do not know how the universe came to be therefore God.

Being an atheist doesn't give you a first row seat during creation, factually we all can only speculate and assume or trying to scientifically connect the dots of creation through scientifically observed facts.

So we may disagree on our world view on how we think it all started but do not assume up or impose a position on the atheist argument until heard.


more to follow.... You may also add yours.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Is Not A Myth. He Is A Franchise! by johnydon22(m): 9:39am On Dec 26, 2017
frosbel2:
Though Jesus was a real figure, almost 85% of what people preach/teach about him are either untrue or mixed with untruths and lack credibility.

The reason for the proliferation of churches all over Nigeria is not because there is a zeal for the things of God or for righteousness or to love one's neighbour as themselves, the main reason is MONEY. There is big MONEY to be made, it is a franchise business just like MacDonalds, KFC and the likes.

Deeper life, RCCG, Christ Embassy and others are mostly franchises, collecting money from people, keeping some for the local church and sending the majority to the headquarters to be used for empire building and personal enrichment of the so-called man of God.

Jesus is big business in Nigeria, he is not a myth. Every Sunday the sheeple rush to these Jesus business franchises to 'buy' fake miracles, fake prophecies, fake healings and false promises from the almighty pastor.
Pope Leo X put this well enough, His declaration revealed to the world papal knowledge of the Vatican's false presentation of Jesus Christ and unashamedly exposed the puerile nature of the Christian religion.

At a lavish Good Friday banquet in the Vatican in 1514, and in the company of "seven intimates" (Annales Ecclesiastici, Caesar Baronius, Folio Antwerp, 1597, tome 14), Leo made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate.

Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Is Not A Myth. He Is A Franchise! by johnydon22(m): 9:35am On Dec 26, 2017
felixomor:
How do u know Jesus was real?
Because he is a Christian
CultureRe: Question Of The Day Nairalander, Can You Slap Your Mother For $1 Million ? by johnydon22(m): 9:32am On Dec 26, 2017
If i don't slap her, she will personally poison me.. You dey crase? grin grin what is slap?

I will tear her one slap for the money and another one for jaraaaaa....
Christianity EtcRe: Atheistic Reply To Emusmithy Thread by johnydon22(m): 11:17am On Dec 25, 2017
Give God your money in a man's bank account.

Anyway i don't think its anyone's concern how someone chooses to spend his/her money. You can decide to throw your money into the river, invest in a ponzi scheme or pay tithe.

As long as it is your money, your decision, by all means please do it.

I do not really have a problem with that.
Christianity EtcRe: List Of Gods Born By A Virgin On 25th December by johnydon22(m): 11:14pm On Dec 24, 2017
Horus was an egyptian God not an ethopian-sudanese God. at least get your fuccking facts right.

And Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December.

Uurgh
Christianity EtcRe: Egyptian Parliament (allegedly) Moves To Make Atheism A Crime by johnydon22(m): 10:28pm On Dec 24, 2017
LOL.... I do not think people go around with the tag of "atheist" around their neck..
Christianity EtcRe: What Do Christians Think Of Homo Neanderthals? by johnydon22(m): 10:18pm On Dec 23, 2017
Like play like play, this sciencewatch is legit mad.. grin grin

Someone please keep a record of how many times he will quote this my comment.

My guess: A lot. grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: What Do Christians Think Of Homo Neanderthals? by johnydon22(m): 5:11pm On Dec 23, 2017
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Christianity EtcRe: My Atheist Friends, How True Is This? by johnydon22(m): 4:06pm On Dec 23, 2017
LOL not necessarily but true most of the times
RomanceRe: Ten Silly Things Girls Should Stop In 2018/pic by johnydon22(m): 12:37pm On Dec 18, 2017
Rolex67:
The silly act of folding N500 into a girl's hand after visiting as Tfare should stop in 2017, guys take note.
I agree. Guys should date only girls that can afford their own transport fare
Christianity EtcRe: Is Light The Absence Of Darkness Or Darkness The Absence Of Light? by johnydon22(m): 8:43pm On Dec 11, 2017
Boland:
To narrow this down:

Light is an energy and for energy to be propagated, there is sure the need for its source.
So, with this deduction; I believe Light exists as an entity.

Darkness requires no energy, it simply appears where/when there is absence of light.
I personally believe, Darkness is a state of Nothingness.
Correct on the notion that light requires a source and darkness doesn't (necessarily) Darkness is basically a default state.

So, with both deductions, we can all agree that; Darkness occurs when/where there is no light. Light nullifies the presence of darkness.
Correct.

Light as an Entity proves that its energy needs to be propagated for continous existence, which also proves that it must have been designed/created.
Causality doesn't necessarily mean designed. But we both agree there must be a source for light to be.

Light without being well propagated will diminish, while darkness needs no such attention to exist, it simply exists where there is no light.

So, would you say Light is the absence of Darkness or Darkness is the absence of Light? (Kindly give reasons for your answer)
One is a default state, the other is an effect.
Here is the main question;
Looking at how the Sun and the Moon have been set in a perfect space for the existence of many, how can one leave that to chance?
Lets not forget, Light as an entity requires well designed/created and propagated energy.
Sun burns through nuclear fusion, the elements for nuclear fusion exists, atoms exist therefore such reactions are inevitable and are perfectly natural.

Moon is not a light

How can we say, there is no designer for such magnitude of energy?
Because natural explanations suffice
Christianity EtcRe: What Will The Atheists Say After The Rapture? by johnydon22(m): 1:15pm On Dec 05, 2017
Gent:
What about you atheists later found out that God exists, and Christianity is real, and that there is a place called Heaven and hell which is (that is hell) definitely the final destination of atheists and all those that never accepted Christ, a place they will be forever, then what will you do?
Honestly? I still won't be wildly keen on loving the idea of a God who would burn people for belief or lack of comformity.
Christianity EtcRe: Come And Prove God's Existence - Week 1 by johnydon22(m): 1:13pm On Dec 05, 2017
delexy123:
Thanks for the matured response. Now here comes a rather baffling question...
If man Do Not Know how the idea of a 'god' came into the mind of the early man in the first place, why then do he feel the need to quickly dismiss the existence of 'god'?
Man still have no idea how the idea of Dragons came to the mind of the first men, we still have no reason to objectively believe dragons are real
Christianity EtcRe: Come And Prove God's Existence - Week 1 by johnydon22(m): 8:05pm On Dec 02, 2017
delexy123:
I don't know why these questions below are always avoided when we know it holds the key to the knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God. I will love you to have a go at it @Johnny don22...

1. How did the idea of a 'god' or 'spirit' first become conceived in the mind of the early man?
I don't know, i wasn't there

2. Why is man so attached to the idea of the existence of a 'god' that it has sparked thousands years of debate which is still ongoing?
Man needs an external authority or the emotional succour of an external care-taker. An unflinching need to feel so special and so loved, to feel that this life that is fleeting and vane, is not all there is. Man needs an assurance that he is not just but a cosmic accident in an indifferent universe.

3. Will there come a time when this debate will stop?
I don't know though highly unlikely

4. Will there be a time when the receding ignorance will cease to be and man will know all there is to be known? (note that at this point, man would be omniscience therefore, the debate of the existence of a 'god' will cease to be).
Highly unlikely
5. If there will be a time like that, will man be able to survive up to that time?
Have no idea

6. If possible, what are the chances that man will be able survive and achievements that feat?
Highly unlikely
7. If there is 'very low' or No chance that man will survive up to that time of being omniscience, then, why do man still debate the existence of a 'god' when he knows that he wouldn't live to proof or debunk it?
Because the concept of God like every other concept man has made impacts on man's social, economic, personal, emotional life.
Christianity EtcRe: Come And Prove God's Existence - Week 1 by johnydon22(m): 5:16pm On Nov 29, 2017
malvisguy212:
Long time bro
Yes my brother, i trust you have been well.

How can there be so many wonderful and amazing CREATURES without an intelligent CREATOR to make them? as you have stated, if the atheists answer to this question is "we don't know" and yet you rue out the possibility of God creating this things,then ,this my friend is the highest stage of ignorance a man will reach.
Well i never said that a creator is not required to create these wonderful things on my reply to your post, my post addressed the replacement of ignorance with God.

You see the problem of - How can there be such wonderful amazing creatures without an intelligent creator creates an even bigger problem.

Because the intelligent creator must be even more wonderful and amazing to be fully capable and able to create these creatures, so doesn't this also raise the problem of "How can such awesome wonderful and amazing intelligent design exist without another intelligent designer?

You see we are now in an even bigger problem?

if your answer is"we don't know" don't you think we must not rue out the possibility of God exitance?
There is really nothing wrong with accepting or agreeing to ignorance. Without ignorance there won't be a need for us to learn anything at all. I am sure you must agree with me today that everything we know of now, we were once ignorant of it.

So accepting ignorance where you lack knowledge is a mark of intellectual humility and this is a good thing, it creates room for more studies. Since we do not, it is not necessary that we assume up an answer to fill in this gap and let that terminate our research.

Would you rather have someone agree they don't know or just give you any answer they want?

what difference does it make when a person realizes that an all-wise, loving, eternal, all-powerful God created the first man and woman? Recognizing a personal Creator makes man much more than an animal or an accident of nature.
The thing is this is an appeal to emotions. you may make yourself feel good and special by assuming a creator all-powerful and eternal who cares about you and that is totally great.

But the question is: Is this true?

That something makes you feel great and cozy doesn't necessarily mean it is the truth. I prefer a cold objective truth to a warm cozy special lie.
Christianity EtcRe: Come And Prove God's Existence - Week 1 by johnydon22(m): 9:20pm On Nov 28, 2017
malvisguy212:
knowledge begins when you ask this Questions about the origins of man: "Where did it begin?" "How did it all begin?" "How did it ?" "Where did it come from?"

How could all of these wonderful forms of life have come about by mere chance? Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The atheists would want to rewrite it this way: "In the beginning, it just happened!"
Our ignorance on these subjects are not evidence for God they are rather evidence for our ignorance. We can't just say "because we don't know this, therefore God did it. that will only make God a placeholder for our ignorance.

once we cannot follow the chain of enquiry, once we come to the limit of our knowledge, we terminate our research and ascribe all that we are yet to know to God.

this will make god increasingly unneeded with the more we discover and find out.
Christianity EtcRe: The Dark Secrets Behind The Pope’s Audience Hall (it’s A Giant Reptilian) by johnydon22(m): 8:37pm On Nov 20, 2017
The OP's suspicion is not entirely out of place. Yes the building obviously has some form of resemblance with the head of a reptile and it's pretty obvious. The intention behind that design however is debatable.

And then recognising an extra-terrestrial race as reptilians who the building are supposed to in some way project affinity to calls the OP
s claim into question.

An extra-terrestrial being is less likely to resemble anything we know of on earth since anatomy and biological architecture is dependent on evolutionary trigger that differs from world to world
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe About Gay & What The Bible Says About Homosexuality by johnydon22(m): 2:27pm On Nov 12, 2017
TVTKOKO:
the Bible did not condemn them to death..
I'm just going to leave this here

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

You lot don't even read your own bible
Christianity EtcRe: Share Your Testimony If You Have Been Healed From Reinhard Bonnke's Crusade by johnydon22(m): 9:31pm On Nov 11, 2017
enshy:
Sarcasm isn't a Christian virtue.
It's a 21st century tool in the hand's of the devil.
You are same but you are all too small to pull down the Church of Christ...
Summary: You don't have any testimony to give. well it's obvious just save us the trouble abeg
Christianity EtcRe: Nigerian Lady Says There Is No Heaven Nor Hell by johnydon22(m): 9:28pm On Nov 11, 2017
how is this news?
Christianity EtcRe: Shiva/lei Kun > Jesus/muhammad > Amadioha/sango by johnydon22(m): 3:29pm On Nov 08, 2017
PAGAN9JA:
Is Shiva/Lei Kun greater than jesus/muhammad who in turn are Greater than our African Gods?



Article by Eze Driz.zy:



I've been watching Bollywood movies since I was a toddler and I've never seen any scene where a western preacher walks into a village, goes to a Hindu temple, confronts the Hindu priests, battles the Hindu gods, wins, burns down the temple and converts the entire village to Christianity.

I've been watching Chinese movies too since like forever and I've never witnessed a scene like that.

But 80% of our Nollywood movies with plots set during the colonial era and even modern times have scripts like this.
Scenes of African gods being defeated by the white man's god.

Does it mean that the white man's god is powerless against Lord Shiva, Lord Krishna, Buddha, Allah and all the Asian gods?
Is it only when matched against the black man's gods that the white man's juju is on top form?

Let me tell something:

Religion is nothing but a war of cultural identity and superiority.
And Africa lost.

The Indians and the Chinese held their gates.
They rejected every aspect of colonialism that sought to tarnish and belittle their cultural heritage.
That's why they stand proud today.
That's why you'll never find such scenes in their movies.

That's why you and I will never see anything wrong with a samurai, ninjas, kong fu, tai chi, yoga and all the things we see in movies from the lands of the rising sun.
Heck, Most of us wanted to be ninjas after watching Five Elements of Ninja and American Ninja, as kids.
The fact that ninjas are historically soulless blood thirsty assassins used by Japanese emperors to inflict fear and death on rebellious provinces didn't even matter. We all loved them regardless.

But the very sight of a dibia in a Nollywood movie would send negative signals to our brains.

Why do we always portray our cultural heritage in a negative light?

Yes they were crude and barbaric; evil even.
But which ancient culture wasn't?
Even the bible and Quran cultures you hold so dear are no exceptions.

It's funny how a lot of Africans still believe the white man gave them Christianity to save their souls and bring them salvation.
I laugh in 400 years of black slavery and subjugation.
Given how the white man treated our ancestors, like animals, how on earth are you people able to convince yourselves that they gave a mess about the black man's soul.
We were animals without souls to them!
Don't you see that you're still slaves?

It's 2017, the white mans world is working on innovative ideas. But Nigerian Facebook is lit with arguments of church tithes and offerings.
Is this how we're going to be great?

I've said this before and I'll say it again.
"Slavery never left Africa. They just removed the chains from our bodies and bound our minds with them".
I love this and I shared it on my Facebook wall
Christianity EtcRe: I Think There Is Something Curious About The Dancing Sun by johnydon22(op): 11:11am On Oct 31, 2017
Akdegreat:
Lots of questions on my mind.

Are the videos authentic?
If authentic, have they been slightly modified to enhance the 'dancing'?
Are the people enforcing a mass hallucination?
Did these hallucinations arise from prolonged starring at the sun?
If not hallucinations, did the sun literally dance/ shift/displace?
Can the sun do that?
Wouldn't that have devastating effects on earth?
If the sun danced, but not literally, then was there perhaps obstructions in the part of light travel to earth from sun?
Considering the speed of light, would these obstructions be said to be static or fast moving or rotatory?
Could it be caused by cloud formations or any other natural climatic conditions?
Does this occurance happen during a certain season? (Autumn, summer, spring, winter)?
Does the ceremony of the Mary bla bla bla fall in any of the seasons which the dance is most likely to happen?
Does it happen at other times when Mary is not involved, and there are no people in ceremonies to witness?
Beautiful questions my good man

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