₦airaland Forum

Thought Runalong333 was a Mzansi? Oh dear!

JaceBlaze:
I hear you,but I still think we should prepare a ring for that Kenya vs SA for the main event this Nigeria vs Kenya has now become redundant with recycling of pics.

-Lionessza6
-TMKsouth
-Ranch2000

-IronGalaxy

come out of hiding,we are going to war

Compare that to what your states are to tax! You are the biggest fool in here!

68816419:
YOU WANT IT , YOU HAVE IT !

2016 news,currently you can only process about 50,000 tonnes!

Kazikazi:
Just sit there in kibera and dream in your slumber! Do you think we are not in expanding our processing industries?

I already know of it,but your friend who kept gloating about Lagos's state IGR seems clueless! Our taxation is different from Nigeria's one thus you can't really compare revenues at the state or county level!

theenchanter:
the bolded is needed by Jonraid d most. I've always told him d diff in govt system between 9ja n kenya causes so many differences we argue about.

Reread my question.I was asking what our counties are required to tax,then compare to what Nigerian states are required to tax.All that copy and paste was unnecessary!

68816419:
Do you mean this ?
Nairobi County

Nairobi County raised total revenue of Kshs. 2,240.5 million from various sources against a target of Kshs. 2,743 million in the period March to June 2013. This amount excludes Local Authority Transfer Fund (LATF) of Ksh156.8 million received in the month of April 2013.

The Single business permit and parking fees remain highest revenue sources for the county. The money collected from local sources was spent at source which contravenes Article 207 of the Constitution. The county government received a total of Kshs. 489.5 million from National government as a grant of its share of revenue allocation for the period March to June 2013 for recurrent expenditure. The county also received Kshs. 61.6 million from the Transition Authority for development expenditure. The Nairobi County Assembly was allocated of the total amount of Kshs. 323.2 million and spent a total of Kshs.162.1 million while County Executive was allocated Kshs. 87.8 million and spent Kshs. 35 million. Financial Management services was allocated Kshs. 78.5 and spent Kshs. 73.6 million.

The County Budget Coordinator noted the following key factors that affected budgeted implementation for the period March to June 2013. These include shortfalls in revenue collections; Considerable amount of revenue expenditure was executed through imprest. This is a great concern due to the risk of cash handling and possibility of misuse. County treasury should exercise strict control on issuance and surrender of imprest.

The current requirement that imprest be surrendered within 48 hours must be strictly be implemented. Staff unrest caused by delays in salary payment has also affected budget implementation. The county is not sweeping the local revenue collection to the County Revenue fund which is in the Central Bank and staff salary arrears that have caused staff unrest.

To improve budget execution for the county government the county budget coordinator recommends that there is need for strict adherence to the Constitution and the PFM regulations to ensure prudent use of public resources and serve the public effectively
Nairobi City County Reports
During Governor Evans Kidero’s regime in 2016-17, parking fees were at Sh1.98 billion, rates Sh2.26 billion, SBP at Sh1.7 billion, billboards and adverts at Sh720 million, and building permits at Sh1.28 billion.

City Hall is set to lower the daily downtown parking fees from Sh300 to Sh200 in attempt to increase revenue collection.

In 2013, Kidero increased parking fees from Sh140 to Sh300 but during election campaigns last year, Sonko pledged to reinstate it to Sh140, which has not happened.

According to the 2018-19 County Fiscal Strategy Paper (CFSP) released early this year, Nairobi has not hit its revenue target since 2013 by between 20 and 25 per cent.

For the last four financial years, billboards and advertising has been the best performing revenue stream as per set targets, while building permits have been relatively poor.

Land rates have been persistently the largest revenue stream, generating Sh10.27 billion over the last four financial years.

Poor collection mechanisms, poor rates records and inadequate enforcement are some of the challenges the land rates sector faces.

High default rate on payments, weak enforcement mechanisms and slow pace of devolution of the SBP have been blamed for its poor performance.

The SBPs are issued for enterprises under The City of Nairobi (Licensing of Premise and Traders By-Laws 2007 ) that wish to operate within the limits of Nairobi city.

During pronouncement of the county budget in June, former acting Finance Executive Charles Kerich and Budget Committee chairman Robert Mbatia said the prolonged electioneering period and post-election protests in the capital affected the county’s revenue collection for 2017-18.

“We had like a whole seven months of campaigns and protests last year. During this time, people were not paying and there was no enforcement at all,” Kerich said.

In the just-ended financial year when Sonko came to office, the revenue collection rose from Sh200 million to Sh458.12 million in the first two weeks of September 2017.

He attributed the increase to automation of 134 billing services and sealing of corruption loopholes.“We have sealed all corruption loopholes. All unscrupulous traders and rogue county staff who think they will survive on corruption have been put on notice,” said Sonk

Check what Nairobi county is supposed to tax then!

68816419:
Lagos IGR is 98% generated from taxes

Lagos State officially notes that there are 12 taxesandleviescollectablebythe government, namely:
Personal Income Tax, Withholding Tax (from individuals only), Capital Gains Tax (individuals only) and Stamp Duties on instruments executed by individuals. The State also collects tax on Pools Betting and Lotteries; Gaming and casino taxes; Road Taxes; Business premises registration fee; Development Levy (individuals only), Naming of Streets registration in the State capital and Right of Occupancy fees on lands owned by the State Government in urban areas of the State. Other revenue sources include Market taxes and levies where the State Finance is involved in the construction of the market, as well as HotelOccupancyandRestaurant Consumption Tax.

I wonder how that is an achievement yet they have somehow independent state governments!

Just30:
dont mind him
the most productive part of nigeria could only raise 1.5 billion dollars

We are not a federal state! If our taxation systems were similar then we would make a fair comparison.We had this debate long ago,you are just repeating stuff.Start collecting taxes,those taxes that seem big to you are actually so low!

68816419:
Fcking fool..

Continue showing us your stupidity!

68816419:
ARE U TOO STUPID TOO COMPREHEND SIMPLE GRAPHS.. YOU ASKED FOR A BREAKDOWN OF LAGOS IGR IN COMPARISON WITH NAIROBI IGR AND I SHOWED U.

You are not getting our point.Our counties are only allowed to collect small taxes.The figures here are depressing.Why don't you convert them to US dollars?

68816419:
Compare it with what all your counties generated, beside that, we are comparing all your counties with Lagos alone and not other states like PH,Ogun,Kano......

You don't understand the Kenya's taxation system.We don't practice federalism.I'm actually loving it how you are exposing Lagos!

68816419:
Yet Lagos generates more IGR than all your stupid counties combined even with little federal Government assistance

I'm seeing two tables of Lagos IGR

Projections=897b Naira-2.4 billion dollars

Real collected IGR= 680b Naira-1.5 billion dollars

What a big shame !

This numbers are so low for a City with so many people as Lagos! With petty taxes,Nairobi county collects a cool one billion US dollars!

680 billion Naira is simply about 1.5 billion US dollars.Is that a lot to you ?

68816419:
Are you still stupid to believing that Nairobi is better than Lagos or even close to be ?

This figures are very low

Stop shaming yourself!

68816419:
Are you still stupid to believing that Nairobi is better than Lagos or even close to be ?

So Lagos STATE IGR projections for 2018 were 2.4 billion US dollars and Nairobi managed to collect a real and not a projected 1 billion US dollars?

Remember our counties don't collect all the taxes,they only collect small service taxes like parking fees and small business registration fees.With all that Lagos population,you should be ashamed!

68816419:
Its madness to even compare tiny Nairobi with Lagos...

Bring those projections in billion dollars not in nairas!

68816419:
Its madness to even compare tiny Nairobi with Lagos...

Let Seun get his money!

edon21:
Kenyans you guys are enriching the owner of this forum. the third largest forum in the world. my advice is GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE AND GO START YOUR OWN

Saudi's oil and Qatari's gas is much cheaper and easily accessible than Nigeria's!

tylann:
He is not serious yams
Maybe we need they oil and gas nothing else

Yams and life is cheaper though! That is the point!

rvp20183:
And their rumoured GDP is equal to Angola or Morrocco - who easily collect 30B dollars plus. It big a joke. You know more than half of Nairobi revenues are from Land rates. Lagos I doubt can even collect 1B kshs from their Land Usage rate - something similar to our land rates.

They had to involve the Central Bank Governor in selling cashewnuts to the little known Indo Power Ltd!

You may think it was a trade record or something![

tylann:
We just bought half of they cashew nuts he is busy singing sadc
So who needs the other here ??

Their trade numbers are low.I doubt if they rake in more than 5 billion dollars in exports!

tylann:
Leave him he is just jealous a little known Kenyan company indo power just bought tz cashew nuts worth 18 billion kshs he is busy shouting SADC
Kenya matters alot in tz economy whether he likes it or not
Does tz trade in sadc even worth 18 billion kshs

Yeah

Their IGR shouldn't cross 3 b. Let's keep it at 4b USD!

rvp20183:
I don't think they get as high as 3B dollars. Nairobi if it was allowed to collect taxes - would easily rake half of 15-16B dollars of all taxes KRA collects.

We will do value addition to this cashewnuts then sell them locally and abroad!

tylann:
Leave he is just jealous a little known Kenyan company indo power just bought tz cashew nuts worth 18 billion kshs he is busy shouting SADC
Kenya matters alot in tz economy whether he likes it or not
Does tz trade in sadc even worth 18 billion kshs

What are our trade volumes with TZ? Oh dear,Uganda,SA and Egypt are way ahead of Tz in terms of the trade billions figures.You come fourth.The EU remains Kenya's biggest trading partner!

Kazikazi:
We trade more in SADC than EAC.Kenya needs us more than we need them,don't forget that.When you blocked our wheat and gas what did you expect?? A smile from us?

Now a trade war is hitting you hard! Your mercury sugar we don't want it! Your few tablets which you repackage are blocked to enter TZ.The reason? Most of them are health hazardous. Tanzania foods and drug authority (TFDA) is doing a great job! They are testing and after passing the test we allow.But sadly,we blocked most of those bad drugs for lacking quality. Then a Kenyan goes and shout we don't allow free tarriffs?! Friend,free trade doesn't mean foolishness.

The Kenya Revenue Authority is the only body mandated to collect taxes in Kenya.Don't compare Narobi's building registration and parking fees to Lagos's state IGR WHICH IS JUST A MERE 2.5 BILLION US dollars!

Nairobi with just about 3.5-4 million people collects a billion dollars in petty taxes!

68816419:
Stupid Kenyans... so you mean Lagos IGR is also cooked, Lagos alone gat more companies than the whole of Kenya and Its IGR is bigger than 40 of your counties never yet it never relies on Nigeria oil .

Kenya doesn't need Nigeria's yams!

theenchanter:
Hope u guys can see why I always say ur monies are worthless than d naira.

Ur budgets may be big on paper like our fed budget but not d same in value.

Another reason we're d poverty capital. we spend less doesn't mean we're as poor as they said.

The last statement reminds me of how the Asians invested much in Africa's apparel sector just to gain the US market duty free through the AGOA!

rvp2018:
There will be institutions to make sure trade works and is fair for everyone. That would include some forms of courts to deal with contracts, insurances and etc. Ultimately every country would be allowed to do joint verification if they think some was re-packagign and re-badging Chinese goods - and gaining duty free access.

Ultimately NO SERIOUS MANUFACTURING will happen if a manufacturer is targeting a small country. But if a manufacturer knew he could manufacture his stuff in Nairobi - and sell to 50 countries in Africa - they will come.

Smaller countries will benefit the most - because they really don't have good enough market for local production - but with free trade - a big chinese manufacturer can set up a factory in Kigali and sell it to DRC Congo duty free.

What are your trade volumes with SADC? Probably it's just a mere pocket change.Don't go on gloating about SADC ffs!

Kazikazi:
Kenya is a small boy to us.We have a free trade zone with SADC. We sell a lot to south Africa.south Africa does the same.Why should we fear a small boy( Kenya)? Our manufacturing growth is among the fastest growing in Africa!

Some countries will be bought and that initiative won't happen.Also,we have economies in this continent which are struggling,we must first make sure that everyone is solid enough before we roll out a common currency.We can draw lessons from how the Greek crisis has been giving the Euro a hard time!

theenchanter:
they're deliberating over it.

Check.

Uganda inspected and later allowed our confectioneries products to pass without duty,but Tanzania is the one playing hardball!

rvp20182:
Nonsense.The % of local content can be agreed upon after verification.Each country can ask to inspect factories abd if there is goodwill like in kenya and uganda..such isues .There is huge scope that intra Africa trade can fill.Kenya is an example doing nearly half it's trade within Africa.Imagine if other countries tried as much.The same with tourism.Look at Rwanda...when it allowed free trade and travel for all Africa..it's trade and tourism jumped by nearly 40%.

A single currency in Africa? I don't see that happening!

theenchanter:
why should africa not start by harmonizing those blocs before talking about free trade that I don't see happening in d next 10years?

Having a single currency will do, do u expect us to convert our monies to dollar before we can trade among ourselves?

If it's all for argument sake, u can continue to delude urselves about acfta. So many accords has been signed in africa, less than 50% came to fruition.what 48% of trade does kenya does within africa, u prevaricator?

It will soon come about!

tylann:
I hope it is implemented this brt issue has dragged for far too long now
I getting tired with we " will "