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The end of the matter is that if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, you are saved. Catholic or not.

freshboi88:
Meaning that it might mean and it might not.....so having this in might....on what grounds do u now decide and force it on catholics that their reverence is worship

it is written all over your actions, you petition them to pray for you, which is a prayer to them on its own. You dont't carry your prayers to something you don't worship.

TheArchangel:
You are funny with your assertions. What say you of the apron, handkerchiefs, bracelets, anklets with daddy GO faces on it etc that is sold and use like an amulets all over the churches now which is no different than the ark of covenant of old? Pluck out your log of woods first.

Thanks for the compliment on my humor, even though I never intended to be funny. Those things you mentioned are not objects of worship. Even the woman with the issue of blood touched Jesus clothes. Handkerchhefs and aprons are biblical (Acts 19:11-12). As for the printing of "daddy GO's face" my church doesn't do that neither do I. Whether there is a face on it or not that one doesn't matter, if God is in it, it will work because it is backed by the Word.

freshboi88:
If u agree that bowing down does not mean worship y den do u accuse catholics of worshipping Mary??

does not necessarily

freshboi88:
The man saw were I was headed n he ran away....this man agrees that symbols were used in worshipping God, he agrees that these symbols were reverenced not worship....he agrees that reverence is not worship..... But he simply doesn't agree that the images used n d catholic church r not idols but symbols , he doesn't agree that reverencing what that symbol represents is not worship the image....how better can one define hypocrisy

This one you're saying is beating around the bush. My main message here is you do not need symbols anymore. If you are a christian you've got what/who is better and greater than any statue or symbol of any man or woman, saint or apostle. If you are really born again, you've got Jesus, what do you need symbols for again? If you've got the real deal why deal with what is past? The time of symbols and statues and arks are gone, this is the time of those who are walking arks of the covenant, carrying God and beign the symbols themselves.

freshboi88:
So God changed right....y do u go with tithing... Its is old testament practice.....u seem to have a problem with accepting that falling face to d ground is same as bowing down.....so let's continue with that analysis...

You obviously did not read the Heb 8:5-13 especially 7 and 8. As for bowing down I have told you bowing down does not necessarily mean worship. If you are finding it hard to understand that, I can't help you. You should ask the Writer of the bible in His Son's (Jesus) name I believe He can help you.

freshboi88:
So you agree that symbols were used n d old testament....and dese symbols were sacred...do u agree

I agree with you, but that is the OLD covenant, I don't deal with that when the new is available. Under the NEW TESTAMENT symbols are no longer needed (Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:5-13). All we need NOW is the name of Jesus (John 15:16). You should try it.

freshboi88:
He didn't fall bfre d ark....he bowed down bfre it....so wht would u say about tht

Joshua 7:6 "AND JOSHUA RENT HIS CLOTHES AND FELL TO HIS FACE BEFORE THE ARK OF THE LORD......" That is the scripture sir as you can see in capital letters it says fell.

freshboi88:
Does kneeling down bfre an image or bowing down equate to worshipping tht image??

Worship is NOT only a thing of physical obesiance, in fact it is more a thing of the heart than a physical exercise. Even among men, how many people "dobale" to other men but in their heart disdain them. Matt 15:8 "THIS PEOPLE DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH AND HONOURETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME". So to answer you kneeling or bowing down may not necessarily mean worship but you will be a hypocrite to bow down to what you don't worship.

freshboi88:
Joshua bowed bfre the Ark.....was he worshiping it??

he fell before the ark obviously out of frustration, the bible never said he worshipped it, or prayed to it. To answer you, he in no way worshipped the ark.

freshboi88:
Nah person like u I dey like tackle....you made reference to the Commandment of making images. The man made a very good point, y will he who said do not make images give command to make an image......??

no tackle me oh, I no get power. I did not write the bible. Let's look at Abraham, God said go and sacrifce your son and the same God told him to stop, what will you say about that? Lemme tell you what I will say - get a bible and read Isaiah 55:8-9. You will see God is God, you cannot question Him. Another thing the old testament is full of symbols. The snake was a symbol, not an object of worship. God NEVER asked them to worship the snake.

tete7000:
This is where I intend to draw you. Catholic too have never told you they worship, these images like you have said are symbolic too. If people can pray within the premises of the ark, why can't any other inspired symbol too do the same? That's has always been the Church argument. If you say God inspired, has God stop inspiring? Has he stopped using symbols? Has he changed?

Brother, you know very well you guys just don't pray in the premises of those images, you guys PRAY TO them. That is where the issue is. As for symbols, they were used because the old testament is only but a shadow of things that were to come. Which actually came when Jesus died and resurrected. God and His law is now in my heart, I don't need any symbol to gain access to God, neither do you (Jer 31:31-34 Heb 8:5-13 Pls Read). God wants to talk with you, and the only thing you need to talk back to Him is the name of Jesus. No symbol, no statue, no image, just Jesus.

[quote author=NESTAD post=61675146]You Pentecostals, believe Catholic worship/ idolizes Mary through the Holy Rosary. Point of correction, we Catholics Honour Mary through the Rosary.

In the Bible, Mary clearly spells out her role in eternity:

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the lowly state of his maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed. (Lk 1:46-49)

The Bible says Jesus is magnified by Mary's soul. A soul is eternal and not limited by life on earth. Mary reinforces her eternal ministry by saying "all generations will call me blessed." If the Bible intended Mary's ministry to end with the birth of Jesus, or at his death, or e
Mary used the word magnify to mean praise, bro your own soul can magnify God too. Another thing to understand is that Peter was no pope, he wasn't even the head of the early church sef. James was (Acts 15:13-21). If there was any first pope it will be James the brother of Jesus.

tete7000:
Ark of the covenant is an object of worship and it contains images of cherubim. If you say images are not to be objects of worships as commanded by God, how do you separate the ark from the images of the cherubim?

Please check 1King 8, from verse 6

the ark is NOT an object of worship. God NEVER asked the Isrealites to worship the ark. NEVER. The ark of the covenant, like the brazen serpent was symbolic. Representing the Holy Spirit filled born again child of God in the new testament era.

tete7000:
Sadly you have not made any sense. To say a God contradicts himself is an height of heresy. God is God, he can't contradict himself. His words are eternal and they don't change. If contradiction seems to arise with respect to his commands, it must be that man misunderstood what was originally intended, not that God ordered what he has once forbidden.
By the way, you said God instructed those images to be made, how are you sure God didn't tell the Catholics to make those images? Have you asked them? Or are you God? Maybe you have been able to read the mind of God or discern his instruction to the Catholics.

You are arguing with yourself. The commandment and the instruction to make the serpent are both in the bible and you don't need a professor to explain them to you. They did not pray to nor worship the serpent. As for your other questions I refer you back to where I said the bible and God does not tolerate idolatry also you can read Romans 1: 21-32.

tete7000:
How do you reconcile that the same God that commanded that no image should be made ordered Moses to make a bronze image of a serpent for the Israelites to look upon when bitten by fiery snakes sent to punish them in the desert.
Are also aware that the ark of covenant also has an image of an angel? How do you reconcile that these were ordered by the same God that gave the commandments?

that was a specific instruction from God for a specific situation, they were asked to look at it, not pray to or worship it. I could go deeper in the symbolism of that serpent but I'd rather not. Besides do you know that the snake was one of the idols the children of Israel later worshipped and King Hezekiah had to destroy it totally in order to return the people back to God? (2kings 18:4). God does not tolerate idol worship at all. No part of the bible says otherwise.

UAE123:
It beat my imaginations to see Pentecostal Churches saying that the members of the Catholic Church worship Mary when the word of the Holy Rosary are clearly stated in the bible & most of these Pentecostal members criticizing the Catholic about these days are evening worshipping their Pastors & honoring these Pastors more than their husbands. Some presently even wear the statues of their Pastors on their neck 24 hours a day believing it will always protect them.

it is one thing to raise an argument, it is another to back it up with the Bible. While I agree with you that there is a thin line between respecting or loving your pastor and worshipping him, I will like you to show me where in the bible it is said that Mary should pray for all sinners.

loneatar:
Only life freinds
Without life you can't be wealthy, successful and accomplish your ambition

Op said what you need now, you're alive already na unless you need a spare life.

It is a shame how people are quick to draw conclusion and make generalisation. It is amazing how you call christians gullible, when you can be deceived by a picture. Please don't criticize blindly use your eyes..... oh and your brain too before you say anything. That is NOT alcohol or beer, that is olive oil.

dubylhover:
its all good bro,I understand,its even baffling to see micky in this state..but to be honest,I myself haven't really fancied Mata is that hole as much,there are times he too kills counters and he doesn't have that speed,but since micky is flopping,Mata should b tried there.but its mourinho and once he believes he can get sth from a player,he'd do it...

I think d way sees it is that either there is sth micky is still doing that he likes,or he feels no other person is good enuf to replace micky there,given our depleted squad
cc adebayo201

You're propably right, after all it is Mourinho and not us that get to watch him everyday in training.

Leyqute:
Not funny at all. Which of our rivals have endured a string of injury crises for the past 5 years?

I'd love to see Rojo get back in the team. I admire his attitude towards matches. He has a strong mentality.

Arsenal have injury crises every season and Chelsea are currently in one. As for Rojo, it seems like under Mourinho, the dragon was unleashed.

What you need to do is to firstly stop confusing people with your english, maybe you could just type in pidgin. Secondly, I think what is happening to you is dejavu. What Goes Around Comes Around.

17 years, is she not a minor, which court do they want to charge her to?

Rokia2:

these nostrils can smell the past, the present and the future.

bjcuntis:
My hallelujah belongs to u. Can't remember the name of the artist but I led the song during one of our sunday services. It touches my soul.

JJ Hairston And Youthful Praise

kimbraa:
I think the institution where he's schooling should do well to terminate his admission. With this mentality he can't uphold the law.

my sentiments too, I can only imagine what he'll say if a rape case is brought to him

this is a combination of ignorance and fear. Politics is finishing our country.