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aManFromMars: One God's sin is another God's virtue.

what has God got to do with my question? Is sin, ie wrongdoing a problem of mankind?

wiegraf: No op, that was nonsense. I was simply telling you what you wanted to hear, in exchange I could have asked for tithes or something similar.

No gods anywhere, can't see anyone around. Keep doing what you do, work harder than the next guys, keep your eyes open, etc, and it might work out. Sadly though, in this universe there's no absolute way of guaranteeing success. You can simply increase the odds with hardwork and brains. There's no magic except that.

Good luck.

maybe you should have told him this earlier instead of trying to link everything to your harsh sarcasm?

aManFromMars: Hi Vicky. Any truth that is shown to you and can only be perceived by you becomes your truth. Not every one else's. Just like headache and stomach upset.

is sin a general problem?

Divepen:


An answer?
Or a compliment

a compliment

[quote author=Manhunter™]@Joshthefirst, bro, you have lost round one. Rest a little and gather enough strength for round two. I trust in your ability to put these godless and immoral atheists in their place.[/quote]for your mind I'm even fighting these guys.

Most of them only mock and scoff.

They even consider this thread offensive

Maybe I should go ahead and start posting the offensive things they've said against Christianity too to add salt to their wounds.

That's right, I might as well give real proof to my claims.

aManFromMars: Move over, you must be looking in a mirror.

smh. Carry your mockery or whatever and go. Judge your posts yourself. See if you actually speak against wrongdoing mosttimes or just mock God whom you don't believe exists in anger and contempt

aManFromMars: Is the same JOshTHEfirst and other Christians that were nowhere to be found on that thread about the child witch?
Is it these same bunch of arrogant assholes, who have erected a wall called God to cover their hypocritical lifestyle that freely call others immoral sinners because they choose not to believe in a dead man?

If a dead man paid the price for my sins, why should I still be bothered about sin? The price has been paid hasn't it? Why ask me to pay yet another price, my belief?

In his myopic world, anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ(millions of pagans around the world), his particular brand of this Jesus Christ(Catholics and other non-Pentecostal sects) are all evil and destined to hell.

I wouldn't normally bother with a mad man, in fact, I'd rather enjoy myself watching him eat his own faeces, but don't start throwing around that faeces on everyone.

And no matter how we try to serve him egusi and pounded yam, he throws it away and goes back to his faeces, how sin has corrupted the world, how no one can be good without Christ( meaning no one was good before Christ)......


Maybe we should ignore him like he advised us a while ago. I guess he sees himself like some sort of atheist-counter on this forum.

Unfortunately, as my warri brother bolaino would say, 'em no reiiicccchhh"

the same thread where I condemned the brutality and you and the other guy accosted me trying to show me how Jesus advocated brutality too?

What I see in your post are lies and false accusations and ramblings.

More than a thousand pages!

Logicboy03: You are silly. Rather than apologise for thw silly accusation you made that I don't speak out on immorality, you continue with the crap.


Just to show you how silly you are, you went about twisting the good deed that I do preaching against tithe- you went to claim that tithe in it true form is feeding the poor. Mad man. Tithe has always been for the clerics. Silly goat

I never said you don't speak out against immorality, I said you mostly do not speak out against immorality. You just go about trying to disprove God mostly.


The fact is that you did not read the op objectively. You just lashed out in butthurt.

OLAADEGBU: It was Christmas and the judge was in a merry mood as he asked the prisoner,

"What are you charged with?"

"Doing my Christmas shopping early," replied the defendant.

"That's no offence," said the judge.

"How early were you doing the shopping?"

"Before the store opened," answered the defendant.

Logicboy03: Even your comments contradict ur conclusion.


-I think you mean to say that athwism is an enemy to your brand of christianity....not mankind.

no actually, atheism doesn't stand any chance against the real deal. Atheists should go about speaking against evil and wrongdoing instead of debunking God to no effect.

Logicboy03: You are irritating......


I answered your question perfectly yet you comeback with silly accusations and silly questions
You fooishly claim that I don't argue against immorality and corruption.



Did you know how many times I complaimed about tithes in the past? Do you know how many times that I argue against sexism? Do you know how many times I am even on the islam section correcting theor false claims against chroistianity and the west? This and so many others.

so what has tithes(which in its true form is people contributing to feed the poor and feed servants) and sexism got to do with saying there's no god? Did you miss the number 1 enemy I listed? Religious hypocrisy?
You take on the people who exploit others in the name of religion and effectively also say there's no God? Ignoring the real God-followers out there who are out to give and not take?

Guy, yo are truly brain dead.


I even defend ur religiomn in the islam section where few non muslims go......yet you dare tell me this crap.

go and preach in real life. Be real and true. Speak against wrongdoing and not against God, who is the source of Judgement against wrongdoing.

plaetton: If you spend your time here advocating social justice, peace for all humankind, tolerance and respect, etc, I guarantee that no one in his right mind would mock.

But if come here with your invisible skydaddy BS(which you should rightly keep to yourself), then it's open season mockery.
The simple reason is that the skydaddy narrative is too contradictory and too silly to be taken seriously by anyone in this century.

nonsense. This is why I say atheism is mans enemy. We come here preaching against sin. If anyone even distracts us, its you.

You say God shouldn't be taken seriously, taking our solution away and leaving us with nothing other than hate and anger and lies and immorality.

You are mankind's enemy.

Logicboy03: If you were transferred to a remote village that had a belief in a supernatural ant man (called Teeyist) that they claim to provide the rain and sun for their crops, what would u do? What if they sacrificed their most succulent cows to this ant spirit instead of feeding the hungry among them? What if they claim that malaria is a punishment from Teeyist?

Rightly, you would try to explain to them that it is better to treat malaria woth medicine and to feed their poor instead of sacrificing it to Teeyist. In short, you would try to explain that their spirit, Teeyist, might not even be real.


Sir, you would become an a-teeyist.

if this is really what you do, you would have had more converts by now sef. All I see you do is mockery mostly and taking advantage of peoples grief to propagate hatred of God.

Telling men that suffered in the anambra stampede that God does not exist?? Telling us to disbelieve in God because people died in the phillipines? Telling us that you don't think heaven makes sense? That Jesus is a middle eastern caveman?

How does this tackle man's greed and poverty and lies and lust and murder and hatred?

The fact is that the scenario you have given in the above does not even exist and is a copyright.

The real scenario is what christians did long ago. They adviced african men of old and others to stop killing their twins and sacrificing their goats and engaging in rituals. They brought medicine and healing, and told them of the true God that took away their sins.


I have never seen an atheist doing any shadow of what you claim to do. You just glory in your supposed cause and do the opposite of what you say.

Logicboy03: If you were transferred to a remote village that had a belief in a supernatural ant man (called Teeyist) that they claim to provide the rain and sun for their crops, what would u do? What if they sacrificed their most succulent cows to this ant spirit instead of feeding the hungry among them? What if they claim that malaria is a punishment from Teeyist?

Rightly, you would try to explain to them that it is better to treat malaria woth medicine and to feed their poor instead of sacrificing it to Teeyist. In short, you would try to explain that their spirit, Teeyist, might not even be real.


Sir, you would become an a-teeyist.

sir. What you have described is not what you do. What you engage in is mockery mostly, you rarely advocate the preservation of the poor and the fight against moral vices. You only try to debunk heaven and hell and God. How does this relate to eradicating prejudice and poverty among nigerians?

How does insulting and mocking their religions and beliefs endear you to them?

deleuche: I think child marriage will qualify as one

child marriage is inappropriate as an example in this case.


I think we should define the absolute moral laws first.

Logicboy03: What is this one saying? Is it atheists that are removing religion from schools? Even christians support the removal of religion from public schools in america.

Atheism is not some religion or utopian ideology. It offers no solution to problems. It os a simple disbelief. Just like you disbelieve in the existence of the toothfairy.


Pls try to understand what u r talking about

thank you for saying this. You can go on and explain why you're valiantly trying to force it down everyone's throat.

You're really sincere. If it offers no solution to any problems, then why do you advocate it?

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Logicboy03: Oh, wow.....the xtian lady misses the offensive op in order to act mature and correct me.

Lol....

see this dude talking about offense. Smh

plaetton: How daft can this op be.
@Op, if you have met with , befriended or interacted with an atheist, you would not be posting all this silly nonsense that you do.
For the millionth time , atheism is simply disbelief in your invisible sky fairy daddy.
If that constitutes sin in your warped mind, then we are all sinners, including you for not believing in Allah or any other religious god.

However, what really annoys is your very very ignorant and mischievious conflation of vices such as greed, lying and deceit, murder etc, with atheism.
Only a board certified slowpoke and a lying conman can make that kind of false connection .

it seems you did not read the op. I said that atheism does not make any move to eradicate social vices, but ignores it(even encourages it sometimes) and pursues nonsense. Distracting men from the basic problem of mankind: sin. Wrongdoing. How you came to your false conclusions beats me. This just shows how biased you are.

plaetton: If sin = unrighteousness , evil or wrongdoing , then statistically, atheists are very well under-represented in these categories.

With a us prison population of over 1 million, I assert that probably 3 to 4% of that would be atheists.

There is no evidence whatsoever that all the evils and atrocities in world are caused by people who do not believe in your silly god.
In fact, the opposite is the case.
I said before, in your bible, your silly god boasts of being the author of all evil in the land.

the bolded is a blatant lie.

And When did say evil and atrocities are caused by unbelievers in God?

plaetton: Open your tiny fragmented mind if you can, take a close look at Nigeria and tell me what percentage of Nigeria's problems are caused by atheists.

did you miss the number 1 enemy I listed?

plaetton: Now take a second look at nations with a high percentage of atheists, and tell us what problems they are currently causing the world.

I have never seen a bloke who contradicts himself in one sentence.

take a look at them then, and see societal vices and abortion desperately on the rise, like everywhere in the world.

plaetton: Homer Simpson does a far better job of articulation than you , and he is just a cartoon character, more real than your skydaddy.

so how does this matter?

Uyi Iredia: The starkly nonsensical conclusion is maintaining that absolute morality eternally exists in human perceptions and are the basis of positive and natural law; ignoring the fact that, the very fact of dispute over such laws (and absolute morals by extension), nullifies the said conclusion. 'Absolute' suggests that the morality, though expressed differently, is universally accepted and SELF-EVIDENT. I note you TOTALLY ignored my request to bring examples of natural laws for analysis: you diatribe my stance stating agreement 'is neither here nor there' when the very process of legislation, its interpretation by the judiciary, and its enforcement by the executive involves agreement at every level, whereitbe tacit or explicit . . . do you perchance tell your judge in court the legal process 'is neither here nor there'. You assert that the subjugation of a minority is wrong and think I'm ignorant of this so-called-by-Deep Sight 'anarchaic postulation'.

You state . . .



please could you justify your claim here in light of my earlier statement below . . .





. . . keeping in mind how you disgraced the spirit of enquiry with your response to that point as evidenced below . . .



https://www.nairaland.com/1520806/evolution-morality/3

I think you ignored a question like this I asked you earlier before:

Can you give me examples of absolute laws that are not universaly accepted and self evident?

YcBeat: thanks 'll register asap

you're welcome sir. Wish you success.

Logicboy03: I know how to deal with ur kind. You are brain dead and bigoted enough to sweep away any fact that an atheist tells u.

I will wait for other xtians to tell you how dense this op is......from experience, that's wat pains u the most......

First, I'm not in anyway advocating violence or fanaticism. You should know me better than that.

Secondly, take a look at the bolded and see why I opened this thread. What are the facts that atheism have put forward that has helped humanity today?

Sincerely answer me this question of how atheism has dealt with mans basic problems.

Thirdly, you are very correct. It pains me if brethren do not act like brethren. But it pains me more if I realize that I have truly made a mistake. And I will correct myself openly and sincerely if I have. But the fact is that I have not made a mistake.


Man has many enemies, stemming from himself.

Try to understand what I'm saying before lashing out in butthurt and antagonism.

Oduduwaboy: @Olaadegbu & joshthefirst .....i really admire your commitments to the cause of christ .

But, if God gave us this big mammalian brain , he should not feel intimidated when we employ it to question him . do you agree?

why would God give you a brain so you could refuse to use it and rebel against him?

God, your creator, gave you your brain so you could cooperate with him and help mankind in every way possible, not question him. The very fact that our brain was not created to question him shows in the way we question him in redundancy. We start to sound foolish when we begin to question God, wasting our brain power, and proving ourselves ediots.

You see your freedom of religion today is as a result of struggles emanating from secular humanism ; it questioned such things as the right of kings to divine authority etc

please quote me anywhere , humanism has done more for the emancipation of modern man than religion ( of course Christianity included).

what has this got to do with anything?

I'm sorry, but I won't dare quote you in public, because I'll be embarassing myself. What has secular humanism done for us? Jesus's Christs teachings and morality formed the basis of moral building of nations.

Sorry oga. But you are very wrong.

Logicboy03: You're very lucky that it was AMFM that arrived here on this thread first. I would have given it to you hard.

You are so silly not even to realise how bigoted your op is. You claim that atheism is one of the greatest enemies of mankind....how can you not see the hatred in that comment? Not only is it insulting, it is also a lie- how can atheism be an enemy to mankind.....has it caused any mayhem compared to ohter ideologies?

The hypocrisy when you come in and critise the wrong practice of religion, yet you use your religious beliefs to bash atheism. Would a good christian be proud of this thread? Bashing atheism? You are just like the muslims who bash xtianity to prove that their religion is true

atheism is an enemy of mankind because it does not solve our problems but distracts us from our basic problems and turns our hearts away from the true solution of our problems.


When you can give cogent points disproving what I have written in the op, you can come and state them.

How is hypocrisy speaking against what is wrong?

[quote author=Demain_man]Turn to JESUS and everything would be fine[/quote]Jesus came to save from sin. If he turns to Christ with the mind of becoming financially well off, he might regret it.


@op, have you heard of the YOUWIN program? I suggest you get to know more about it, its a good oppourtunity for a start off if you're in nigeria.

ezme: The bolded shows how fickle-minded you are. So beliefs should be all about ends? Comments like this makes me understand why Christianity thrives in areas where poverty and illiteracy are prevalent. Agnosticism has availed me a rational mind,an open-minded view of the world around me. The mental strength to face and embrace reality than bask in the euphoria of a reassuring fable. It has made me brave enough to accept responsibilities for the outcomes of my actions instead of blaming it on third parties.

it has only made you confused actually. Either that or you're not really agnostic.

macof: I have since known that u have mental problems

"christian" whether it means Christ like, worshipers of Christ, righteous ones or people meant for heaven. It doesn't change the fact that Jesus's soul is laughing at you all and would reject many of you(if not all) when the time comes to return to the spiritual realm.

You foolishly say christianity is holiness and righteousness, living like Jesus. How many of you live like Jesus of the Bible?
How many of u are single and not searching?
How many of you fast?
How many of you pray daily?
How many of you have never fought and only got angry once in your lifetime?
How Many of you don't have a transport machine?
How many of you have borrowed a car to use only once in your lifetime?
How many of you have never had Romance with a lady?

Josh if u have not been doing exactly as Jesus did, Hell is waiting for u.

You are the shameless one, I had been in that fraud called a religion(which some fools call irreligion) and you can't compare with my level of Christian faith.

You think because many have realized the lies and secrets of christianity they have not been Christian atol.

It just proves that christianity is for the mentally deformed individuals

nonsense. I have no ish with you. It seems you have a personal problem with truth. Go and deal with your problem and stop spitting hatred everywhere.

aManFromMars: Like I said, you haven't studied other religions.

I have not come across or observed any muslim proclaiming that islam is anything other than a religion. Feel free to educate me.

Kay 17: At least we can all agree Christianity isn't the true religion.

Since when did you start using smileys?

aManFromMars: Shows you've never, ever studied other religions. Even Muslims believe Islam isn't a religion.



And Christianity originated from the Bible? That's like saying the constitution existed before the lawyers. Lol.

this is not true.

aManFromMars: Lol, other religions are mere religions. And when did we start taking definitions written by some tribesmen in the East?

do other religions claim to be anything else? Do we not take the definition of christianity from the source of christianity? The bible? Stop being unreasonable.