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Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:49pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: Now this is the last time i would answer this same question. I have a lied millions of times and i would lie trillions more. So far is it necessary at that point and it doesn't hurt my fellow man. I am not telling lies to take what doesn't belong to me. I would lie!

since you were born, you've never told a lie to take what does not belong to you? Or for your selfish interests?

Wow! Congrats abeg. I no easy.

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:42pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: I can never admit lying is absolutely wrong. NEVER. I can lie a million times to save a life. I would kill a million times in self defense. a billion times self.

have you ever lied? As in, not to save a life, I mean lieing now. You understand.

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:40pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: Harm, any type of harm. Unnecessary is relative. I would never tell a lie that would hurt my fellow man. You took something prohibited because you were a naughty little brat and not because you lacked empathy. Atleast, you admitted you knew it was wrong. Whether or not you disregard empathy is totally up to you.

smh.

So you have never done something wrong like lying?

rationalmind: Bro, he is trying to box you into admitting lying is absolutely wrong after which he can throw in his omni skydaddy.

Lol, i know ure wiser anyway.

close, but not entirely correct.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Evolution Of Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 11:37pm On Nov 27, 2013

wiegraf: Glad to see you all talking about opinions

Well done, you're beginning to get it

could you answer my question please?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:32pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: No, not when the lies is necessary and it doesn't harm my fellow man

are you talking about physical harm? Have you ever told unnecessary lies?

I remember taking something prohibited from the fridge when I was little, and lieing that I did not. That did not cause physical harm, but it was a breach of empathy and conscience.

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:29pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: 1. human emotions
2. Empathy
3. Yes.
4. No. Atleast none that would harm my fellow man.
5. Can't remember ever doing so.

Okay. You've lied. I have too.

Now, do you realize lieing is disregarding empathy and breaching conscience?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Evolution Of Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 11:25pm On Nov 27, 2013

Deep Sight: Well again, that would just be your subjective perspective so it could not possibly matter to him.

Lol!

When I have the energy I must really devote sometime to go into every detail of why the positions here are the most absurd.... and even dishonest, ever.

I hope wiegraf is just bluffing. I hope he is all words here. I hope he will certainly discipline his children when they do wrong.

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:19pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: Telling lies for selfish reasons is wrong and empathy is enough to tell me that. The point has been made. Another dumb question from you and i unfollow this thread. Stop trying to make people religion is the only to be moral, it is a big told for selfish reasons.

good.
First, I am not trying to make people think religion is the only way to be moral. That would be deceitful. Remember, I am against religious hypocrisy.

Now, what brings about empathy in this case? What makes lieing wrong? Have you ever lied before? For selfish reasons?
Have you ever disregarded empathy and conscience at all?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Evolution Of Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 11:15pm On Nov 27, 2013

Deep Sight: His opinion is that hw does not like it, but he cannot condemn his son for it..... cos its subjective.

Joker.

I'd be appaled if this was his opinion.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Evolution Of Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 11:14pm On Nov 27, 2013

A better way to ask the question: would you punish or rather discipline your child, if he goes around stealing? Since you believe there is nothing intrinsically wrong with his moral position?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:10pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: where did i say telling lies for selfish reasons is not wrong? You have come with your lies. You claim religion is the only to be moral. Empathy is. Whether it is ignored or not is totally upto to the individual and none of my business.

for pete's sake man, stop trying to digress here. I am not claiming anything, just asking questions:

Okay, let me ask again: is it always telling lies for selfish reasons?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Evolution Of Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 11:08pm On Nov 27, 2013

wiegraf: Do you actually think you've tossed some sort of curve ball with this nonsense?

Are you asking for my opinion?

you're the one trying to toss curve balls.

Yes. I am asking for your opinion.

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:03pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: Maybe. Doesn't change the fact that what you wrote in the o.p. is bullshit. Empathy is enough to tell me what is right and wrong, i don't need religion.

cool. I'm not talking religion here. What brings about empathy? Can empathy not be ignored? Is it not conscience that brings about empathy(in this case?)

I asked if lieing for selfish reasons is wrong, and you told me no? For petes sake?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 11:00pm On Nov 27, 2013

rationalmind: It still doesnt necessarily translate to wrongdoing. There are always exceptions.

please can you give some examples of these exceptions we haven't dealt with in our previous statements?

What other exceptions are there?

Say I secretly steal money from someone, and he asks me if I have seen it, and I say no, is that not wrongdoing?

Or I take meat from my mothers pot, and deny it, is that lie not wrong?

What other exceptions are there?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 10:57pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: No. Empathy is enough to tell me that

you've just proved the op.

But wait first, before you explode, "If a god actually existed", would he be relevant to moral standards? Will he know what wrong doing is? And would he punish it? In your opinion?

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians, come in for a dialogue by Joshthefirst(m): 10:49pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: Answer his question or Shut up!

answering his question or not answering his question will not prove anything, as you're both bent in your paths.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Joshthefirst(m): 10:47pm On Nov 27, 2013

Hi guys. Good evening.
Have a wonderful night.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Joshthefirst(m): 10:46pm On Nov 27, 2013

Hello everyone. grin

My hands are in a good mood today.

Drinks are on me.

[size=4pt]not alcoholic drinks abeg. I no want fastforward anybody's trip to the grave grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Evolution Of Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 10:45pm On Nov 27, 2013*

^^^

Would you condemn your son if he murders someone and rap.es? Because there is nothing intrinsically wrong with any moral position?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 10:42pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: Yes! if i lie to save a life it is not wrong doing! If i kill in self defense, it is not wrong doing!.

cool down guy. What about lieing for selfish reasons? Is it wrong?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 10:32pm On Nov 27, 2013

rationalmind: The best example that comes to mind is that of a man pursuing his wife with a cutlass only for the wife to run into your room. The man meets you outside, breathing heavily, swearing to cut off his wifes head. He asks you if the wife is in your room. lying in that case, even though is deceit is for a greater good and therefore cannot be called a wrongdoing.

okay, lieing with intent for deciet and selfish gain or selfish means, is it wrongdoing?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 10:30pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: I said Telling lies in the LAW COURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so telling lies outside the law court is not wrong doing?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Woman Looks For God In Her Husband. And This Is How God Wants It by Joshthefirst(m): 10:27pm On Nov 27, 2013

frosbel:

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 10:22pm On Nov 27, 2013

rationalmind: Lying for the intent of deceit is not necessarily a wrongdoing.

please can you explain this?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 10:21pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: Yes, telling lies in the law court is a crime punishable by law and there is no such thing as absolute knowledge, Your christianity has done nothing to curb any of this all you do is lay threats, the law court is action based on facts and proof. Not some bi polar psychopath god that burns people for eternity because he wants to show he is boos

facts and proof can be monopolized. Stop stretching the subject of this discussion.

Lies are punishable by what law?(Edit: sorry, I might be sounding ambiguous, what I mean is that we have all told lies. Are you saying we're guilty of breaking the criminal law of the land? Or the law written in our conscience?)

Remember, you have just agreed that lieing is the breaking of the law.

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 10:18pm On Nov 27, 2013

aManFromMars: It depends on society. A soldier must learn to kill and protect.

the fact that lieing is wrong depends on society? undecided

Is soldiers learning to kill and protect an example?
Soldiers, obey the authority of the government of the land.
That's a lame excuse.

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 9:46pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: The law is the law court and it enforces justice, we don't need allah or yahweh for that.

the law court is sometimes ineffective and impotent since it does not possess absolute knowledge.

But wait first, is lieing a wrongdoing? Lieing with the intent of deciet?

Christianity Etc › Re: Nairaland Bible Quiz-you can join anytime... by Joshthefirst(m): 9:40pm On Nov 27, 2013

vickyO: Metal no strong reach diamond.

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 9:36pm On Nov 27, 2013

MonsieurCoder: They are and that's why we have the law

wow. You're finally making a little sense these days. grin

So where is this law? Does this law demand justice?

The first question is particularly important. So I need your honest answer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Am I Poor?? by Joshthefirst(m): 9:32pm On Nov 27, 2013

wiegraf: Do you know what sarcasm is genius?

^sarcasm, see?

Smh

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 9:26pm On Nov 27, 2013

aManFromMars: I hope you realize that worshiping Jesus as God is sin in the eyes of Allah. Careful what you ask.

I believe God is not aunctioning for worshippers. Is wrongdoing, ie lieing, stealing, etc a problem of mankind or not?

Christianity Etc › Re: Enemies Of Mankind by Joshthefirst(op): 8:50pm On Nov 27, 2013

aManFromMars: Do all men worship the same God?

smh.

Could you answer my question first?

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