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plaetton: Modern society is doing very well without god, or the idea of godly morality.
In fact, god-centered morality is an oxymoron.

this is a blatant lie. Don't worry. Reality bears witness that this is a lie. Walk out on a normal day in the UK then, is that not where you live? Stroll a little while. Let the wind clear your foggy head and perhaps cure your willful blindness.

plaetton: Your biblical god sanctioned all of the above acts of evil. I am not making it it up, It is all there in the bible.
If I show you biblical verses to prove this point, you will begin to justify it just like you always do.
You are a living contradiction.

this is another blatant lie. I will not lie for God. Anyone who chooses to be willfully blind can come up with this conclusion. Again. Stroll for a while. The outdoors will do you good.

plaetton: Your god cannot ask you to go and invade(greed and aggression) and murder an entire community, take their belongings (theft), carry of their women (rape and debauchery) and here you are lamenting about sin the world.
Your god wrote the manual and showed the way.

Smh.
How did God write the manual and show the way.

Infact, what has this got to do with our basic problem? You come online everyday, advocating godlessness and trying to paint God as impotent, what has that got to do with solving our problems of greed and rape and abortion and murder and lieing and lust?

You have no solution, and you distract us from our problems and even go to great lengths to make men haters of the very God who has our answers.

Are you our enemy?

plaetton: Humanity has done far better on its own.

how? How have we done better on our own at curing immorality and hatred and racism and anger without God-living and God-teaching? Please answer this question. How has atheism, which advocates trust in humanity solve humanity's problems of prejudice and hatred? How does it solve our problems of lies and greed and unforgiveness?

plaetton: Fundamental human rights are conspicuously missing in your bible.
Your god suggested that sick lepers be isolated from love and care and be left to die. He could not even heal them. i guess he had no idea what to do.
So much for his omni omniness!

it seems you wrote this in desperate butthurt and bad belle sir. The reason God quarantined sick lepers is so the disease would not spread. He healed lepers several times and healed israel several times.

macof: Perfect. Sin is wat the society and wat certain people don't subscribe to

your post is contradictory. The society is made up of all people, not certain people, and there has been instances of the society agreeing to do wrong.

Alfa Seltzer: If I tell my child that Yahweh does not exist, some will call that wrong doing (sin). Many people will disagree that it is wrong doing. So we do not have a clear definition of what wrong-doing is.

Kissing and caressing my grilfriend is no wrong doing. Many religious people will disagree.

wrong doing sir, is clearly defined in our minds I think. You cannot use the above examples to debunk it.

Rape, hatred, lieing, murder, adultery, greed, debauchery, theft, etc are examples of wrongdoing.

Claiming wrongdoing has no definition will only compound the problem humanity has.

plaetton: ^^^^

Don't worry.
Prepare for your rapture.
You'll have a grander time in the dark cold pits mining asteroids in deep space.

lol

plaetton: Interesting. You are weeping for your god. You are admitting that the Tower of babel incident was God in his real form, destroying in a fit of rage and jealousy, because mankind had began to think and unite.
That is your god mr joshthefirst.
You can keep him all to yourself.



Good.
I am glad that this time, you are not shy about advertising the shallowness, insecurity, cowardice and the moral repugnance of your low-self esteem god.



Silliness will always stand to be mocked. That's just natural.

Actually, I weep for mankind. Mankind is not thinking in his unity. He is distracted by elements like yourself.
You misunderstand God and that singular and powerful event in babel.
I have explained what happened in babel before. Man is currently tending that path once more. May God have mercy and intervene once more. He will.

plaetton: As your above post clearly implies( Are you blind even to your own posts?), the real problem of humanity, the real problems of human unity, peace, human collaboration for progress has always been god that we created long ago.
Are you too ignorant or too blind to see that the prospects for peace and progress have tended to increase the more people moved away from religion and God?

Greed, selfishness, hatred, murder , etc have always been with us, in case also , your very narrow mind had not noticed.
In terms of all of the above, we are enjoying the best era of human history.
Greed, selfishness, hatred, murder, etc were rife before the time of Moses, multiplied during the time Moses and Israelites.
Infact, your god, Yahweh sponsored much of it. It is all there in your Bible.


These vices that you mentioned were also rife before and during the era of Jesus, and multiplied exponentially soon after he supposedly left.
In fact, i can say that Jesus unwittingly brought so much conflict and strife to humanity.

the real problem of mankind is wrongdoing. Man in his idolatry, has only made things worse. For you to imply we live with our problem is prejudice and treason of the highest order.
God, the real God(?) Who gives us the solution in Jesus Christ you reject. Men have refused his solution and made things worse, and you blame God for this too?

Anyone who accepts Jesus life and teachings is radically changed into a love and selfless machine. We both know that. There may be false religious hypocrites, but the fact remains in the real deal.

Yhwh never sponsored any wrongdoing. If not for yhwh, we would have been an even more morally depraved world engaging in child sacrifices and lewd wars.

Yhwh will soon strike again in judgement, this time for good. No one has disproved his porphecies. Jesus is the answer for the world today.

plaetton: So, Mr Joshthefirst, kindly spare us all these your sanctimonious bullshyt.
So, based on our sordid history, We are today living in the best times.
I wish they could invent a time machine so that blokes like you can teleport yourselves back to your good old days in the dark ages and beyond.
That is where you truly belong.

We are living in the best times? Or have we become even worse liars and decievers? Worse debauchers because of pornography and sex.ual freedom? Worse murderers, stretching forth our bloody hands to the innocent in the womb? Worse haters and racists and idolaters?

We are living in the best times? I think not.

plaetton: And lastly, you have an unhealthy obsession with se.x that I find suspicious.

smh.

Logicboy03: You are suffering from poverty of the mind.


You prefer to live in a backwards state with little technology while claiming that thos who replaced religion woth science and are adding to the technological advancement of the world are doomed to fail

if this is what you got from my post, then you are the one suffering from poverty of mind.

Alfa Seltzer: If you want credible answers, you have to start asking credible questions. What exactly is sin? You just can't start banding about the word "sin" which have subjective meaning.

According to xtian doctrine, our very existence is already a sin. Infact, without this sin of sex, we can't even exist. Now where do you start getting a solution for this type of "problem"? If you want to end your sin, end your life. Oh, don't. That is also a sin!

I earlier gave you a description of sin: wrongdoing. And you answered by talking gibberish of indoctrination. Are you mans enemy? Why do you willfully choose to fabricate lies about what sin is. You know what sin is, I know what sin is. You and I know what wrong doing is. Do you now choose to say wrong doing does not exist and is not common to all of man?

The true enemies of mankind are those who choose to divert his attention from his basic problem. Which is sin; greed, lust, hatred, murder, spite, envy, lies, disobedience, stealing, debauchery, immorality.


These are the enemies of mankind:
Religious hypocrisy: in its most basic form, religion creates a mentality of hypocrisy in its adherents. People try to please God by engaging in empty and lifeless and irrelevant practices that do no good to try to win favour from him, then change face into godlessness and lust when it favours them. Religion has also been used to exploit the masses of people.
Pure religion only shows how much more mans problem is cancerous and impossible to tackle by ordinary means. Pure religion points the way to Jesus Christ. Who delivers from bondage and sin.

2. Atheism: atheism is a decieving enemy of mankind who seems to fight against enemy number 1, but is instead her comrade. Atheism promotes ignoring of mans basic problem, which is sin, atheism promotes spite and hatred of mans greatest benefactor and saviour: God, Jesus Christ. And promotes pride and sadly, lawlessness and blind arrogance and ignorance. Atheism says enjoy life because there's no god to keep you in bondage, thus creating a false image of God, and explaining sin away. Deftly camouflaging sin in many words and decieving man.
Agnosticism is just another clever word to disguise atheism, or is pure foolishness and philosophical nonsense. As no one is actually a free thinker searching for anything. What are you thinking of? What are you searching for?


The above two are the current most popular problems of contemporary man in my opinion. They are of course channeled by mans greatest enemy, the devil and himself.

Any form of distraction that will not encourage man to look for a way of dealing with his basic problems of human nature, or assure man that his evil nature is normal able to be lived with is undoubtedly his enemy.

More current enemies of mankind coming up.


As for the solution to mans problems, the only solution I know of that will enable a man to be loving and forgiving to his enemies and others, that will make man to react with blessings when cursed, and pray for those who exploit him and spite him, that will make man an epitome of love and compassion and selflessness to all is Jesus Christ.

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Alfa Seltzer: That you use your brain instead of regurgitating childhood indoctrination.

we have used our brains, and our brains have failed us. Is this thread not about sin? What do you suggest we do? Wish sin away? Where can man go? What can man do against this formidable and endearing disease? Wish his very salvation in God into non-existence?

Please give me credible answers or say you don't have an answer instead of talking nonsense about indoctrination.


Where has your "freedom" gotten you?

If my supposed indoctrination takes care of this basic problem and offers a solution to the disease that hampers mankinds development, who are you to speak against it? To become an enemy of man progress?

Logicboy03: I've had this same discussion with some black london guy.

The europeans, asians and north americans are building towards getting resources from space and other planets for the economic benefit of their countries.


Labour is costly.......where is the dirt cheap labour? Where are people willing to sell their souls to go abroad? Sub saharan Africa.


These africans who are the cheap labour will be raptured to work under nasty conditions in space with the false promise of living a better life abroad.......





Why are we africans wasting our lives worshipping this God that has done nothing to help africa from poverty n corruptuion

The tower of babel is a lie......men are building skyscrapers and spaceships, while some others in Africa are busy shouting their lungs hoarse to an invisble god.

the tower of babel will soon repeat itself. I hope you will finally accept its basic truth before you're forced to accept it in the near future.


Mankind is getting united in a common front once more. Contemporary man is able to exchange information and ideas. This is good. But there's a huge global problem man is not able to deal with which will certainly destroy him. You know where I'm going with this.

If man continues in this seemingly glorious road to a seemingly glorious future, as the people in babel did, his future will be cut short. Only this time for good.




This thread is a futile attempt at mockery and distraction of senseless men as usual. Let's talk about the real problem of mankind instead of resorting to mockery.

Greed and selfishness and hatred are our problems. Murder and lies and lust for power and sex hold us under bondage. Religion has failed us, reform does no good. Science cannot solve the problems of our natures.
The very God who is able and has actually given us a free solution is whom we unite together to mock in contempt.

When will man learn?

Alfa Seltzer: Which is what plaetton was saying. Something, (call it freewill if you want) was introduced which modified the genetics of the first creation. So man is not the sinner as he said but the end product of this new factor. So why blame man?

I believe this something is sin, which came as a result of the freewill man was given.

Man is the product of the original sin, but I believe man is also to blame. Because while he has seen the problem, he does not accept Gods solution. Instead, he wallows more in this disease of sin and tries to live with it or explain it away.

Nothing we can do in science or say in philosophy or explore in space can deal with this basic problem sir. Man has been exposed to it, and he even enjoys this disease and wallows deeper in it. Its a basic problem that people like to ignore, so man is to blame for his sin.


So what do you suggest we do?

@ alfa: Introduce freewill into the mixture.

@ reyginus, God bless you for taking the time.

God created man perfect in the sense of non-knowledge of sin and creation in the likeness of God.

Nice updates ma'am.


Sometimes, when I eat something or smell something, or see something, I remember, and become nostalgic.

rationalmind: Same thing applies, A GROWINFG NUMBER. What does that imply to you?

To a right thinking educated man, it implies that there is actually a body of scientists who are saying otherwise and that there is this new set of scientists challenging their position.

why do you want to shift this into an argument over words?

rationalmind: . This was what the guy said, I cant quote him verbatim now. "A footage of dinosaurs changing to birds will do. Meaning, he feels dinosaurs really evolved into birds. Funny how he quotes what I said to disprove him to prove his "point"

Do you see what you said?

MonsieurCoder: Bro, ignore the troll, it is actually my fault, i actually thought he was a bit smart. It is obvious he is yet another dumb troll, he has nothing to offer. To think he has even mocking onyfrank.

@trollthefirst please stick to quoting scriptures, you are good at it, leave science matters for smart people, enjoy your delusion.

Another false accusation. When did I mock onyfrank?

Edit: I even thought you were trying to say scientists don't believe in the theropod bird theory. Turned out you were advocating their speculations. Lol.


Goodnight abeg.
Enjoy your delusion as well.

rationalmind: Gosh, ure just so silly. I said a GROWING number of scientists are begining to disprove it.

Were you blind? A GROWING NUMBER

lol. The guy is now trying to shadow himself.
Here's your post:

rationalmind: ignoring the fact that a growing number of evolution scientists have challenged the dinosaurs evolving into birds theory and considered it false, how on earth will such footage be possible

I must confess you had me going there for some time. I actually began to think I was making a mistake.

Chei...

rationalmind: . This was what the guy said, I cant quote him verbatim now. "A footage of dinosaurs changing to birds will do. Meaning, he feels dinosaurs really evolved into birds. Funny how he quotes what I said to disprove him to prove his "point"

monsieur coder, I hope you see how your guy is embarassing you and himself. Either that or all of you are confused.

You said scientists disapprove that birds are theropods, and the two links show majority of scientists approve of it and debunk your false claims.

I hope you'll be embarassed enough to take things easy before talking nonsense now.

rationalmind: Basis of what truly? Cos ur initial claim was that birds evolved from dinosaurs and I was attempting to tell you a growing numb of scientists now disprove it

my claim was that evolutionists believe that birds are modern theropods, and you saying that scientists disprove it is a lie since the links that monsieur gave from wiki and even the link I gave approve it

If I misunderstood anyone, it was him.

rationalmind: ignoring the fact that a growing number of evolution scientists have challenged the dinosaurs evolving into birds theory and considered it false, how on earth will such footage be possible

the bolded was the basis.

It seems you didn't even read your own link from wikipedia.

MonsieurCoder: Infact, you absolutely have NOTHING to offer, it is very obvious who is deceiving himself here. You gave yourself up the moment you admitted dinosaurs existed.

this is a very pathetic statement. AMFM quoted a part of the link without completely reading it.


When you have something tangible to offer for evolution, contact me.

MonsieurCoder: chai! Have you read the link i gave you? That is a wikepedia article on the origin of birds, is that also speculation? Did it say dinosaurs turned to birds? Stop embracing yourself.

imagine. Smh. Go and read the article I gave you. Its also not speculation. Did it not say birds are theropods?

Abeg. Stop debunking your fellow evolutionists views.

aManFromMars: From the link

smh.

MonsieurCoder: The problem is you fail to educate your self and you keep making a fool of your self. Which book told you dinosaurs turned into birds? Abeg who fit help with those crayon drawings? Why don't you spend the next 30 minutes reading up evolution? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_birds

you are the one who delibrately ignores the stjupid nonsense conclusions some evolutionists have made up.

Some of them still believe dinosaurs were the ancestors of aves.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/avians.html

Uyi Iredia: The extinct kind would be out competed for vital needs, or doesn't evolve fast enough to keep up with environmental changes, these two factors are crucial though extinction though meteors, as in the case of the dinosaurs, aren't to be ruled out.

You believe the kaytee event took place?

Good to know that something had to happen to cause a complete extermination of the dinosaur kind. So what has their complete extermination got to do with the fact that evolution takes place? Please answer this question.

texanomaly: They live in underground cities with big screen TV's and gaming stations everywhere. There is free wifi too.

lol

Alright then, since you choose to bring it up;

What has the extinction of a kind got to do with the changing of a kind to another?

Or do you believe dinosaurs actually became birds?

aManFromMars: https://files.sharenator.com/mother_of_god_Half_Life_2_Lamp-s233x249-341301-580.jpg

abeg drop the issue. Animals go extinct everyday.

TroGunn: As stated earlier, "Lake of fire" is not a place of torment- it's permanent destruction/removal - where there's no possibility of reversal. Even death and hell are said to be thrown into same "lake of fire" - meaning they'll be permanently removed ( 2nd and final death with no reversal).

Rev 20:13-14 -- "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire".

Usage of fiery torment in the Bible stands for permanent destruction. Another example is that of Babylon the Great discussed in Revelation. Her destruction is described as torment - actually meaning permanent end, "never to be found again".

Rev 18:9,10 - "And the kings of the earth, who committed acts of immorality and lived sensuously with her, will weep and lament over her when they see the smoke of her burning, 10standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'"

Rev 18:21 - "Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again."

Jesus parable of Lazarus and the Rich man ( Luke 16:19-31) was just that - a parable, to teach a lesson. This passage is the fifth in a series of parables:

The lost sheep - Luke 15:3-7;

The lost coin - Luke 15:8-10;

The lost boy - Luke 15:11-32;

The unjust rich man - Luke 16:1-15;

The rich man and beggar (named Lazarus) - Luke 16:19-31.

sir, please can you explain the phrase: "Day and Night, forever and ever"?

MonsieurCoder: @joshthefirst why should you believe dinosaurs existed? isn't that part of evolution? have you seen one? can you prove they existed?



aManFromMars bro, you get room for mars, i wan relocate abeg, i am tired of this species called humans

https://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/203/742/nothing_to_do_here_by_rober_raik-d4cxltj.png

dinosaurs are not part of evolution. What has evolution got to do with dinosaurs? Please drop this issue abeg. Until you can give scientific evidence of a change of kind happening through the ages, which is impossible, just drop it. I'm tired of arguing.


How can you look forward to going to mars? That barren wasteland? Full of game-addict aliens?

aManFromMars: Wait, let me check if it's recorded in the Bible.

aManFromMars: @Josh
You believe dinosaurs existed?

very funny.