[b]@HISchild Where do you feel you get the authority to critique the words of E. A. Adeboye of RCCG or the actions of any churches?  Are you not the same person who told us that Judgment Day occurred on May 21, 2011.  You still stand by this false doctrine.  You and your leader Harold Camping also believe the world will end this Friday, October 21.  You continue to write that the end is imminent/the kingdom is near, causing unnecessary fear in the weak minded.  How are you any different from Adebayo? 

You are no better than E. A. Adeboye of RCCG or the other leaders of these churches in Naija that you seem to have so much against.  You are actually worse because when nothing happens this Friday, like nothing happened on May 21, people will be left in far more despair than could be caused by any church.

You are a false messenger.  You have not been chosen by God or anything except your own crazy thinking.  God does not have any preference for you who have caused so much harm with your messages.  Be careful of pulling apart the words of others to show they are false, when there are no other words that are more false than yours.  We hope you will stop come October 22nd. 

We can only assume that you have written this post implying that you are one of those who was predestined to be saved.  However, how could this be so when you clearly fall into the category of false messenger, which the bible clearly defines and speaks against.  The hypocrisy should end. [/b]

@Pagan9ja Do you have any proof of atheists becoming fanatics? Any bombings, killings, extreme acts? If so, please share them. I think the word passionate fits atheists more than fanatic. Atheists do not walk around scaring people talking about the end of the world. There are no atheist suicide bombers, etc. However, many atheists were once believers. And, after much questioning and examination, we found that the God of the bible is not plausible. There is a passion behind sharing this with others, but not to the point of hurting or killing them or even being obnoxious. Atheists do not force their beliefs on others the way organized religious groups do. I have never had an atheist knock on my door to share the "truth" but Christians and Jehovas witnesses do it all the time. So, I do not agree with your term of an atheist fanatic.

^^^^^^^The atheist "obsession" with God is not necessarily a bad thing. Searching, asking, and trying to understand is much better than just following blindly because one was born into a certain belief system. If asked about the bible, many Christians do not even know what it truly says. So, their lack of obsession about something that they claim is so important should also be acknowledged.

@frosbel I ask you this not in a contentious way but truly out of curiosity. It appears that your intent in your posts is to show that belief in Jesus Christ is the way to salvation. That Atheism and Islam are false. I offer this to you. many on here that are atheists may fall moreso in the realm of agnostic meaning we don't know but the evidence points moreso to the non-existence of a God of the bible. unlike many of the Christians on this site who are closed minded and will never question their beliefs, atheists and agnostics are saying show me, prove it to me, and then I can know it is true. what a wonderful chance you have to prove it. But, the only answers we receive are it is a feeling, only the chosen or the elect will understand, we humans cannot understand God, questioning is rebelling, etc. Can you blame people for not believing? I once followed Christianity. And it was nice to think I could pray and there was a father in heaven listening. But as I began to question, and look at things objectively, it became clearer to me that this was just not true. The real rebellion is in ignoring the truth and following blindly. It is a rebellion against common sense, against oneself.

My point is your article here has not shown anything. Many atheists and agnostics were once believers, some even christian fanatics. So, if you are able to show concretely that what you say is true, all atheists and agnostics will have nothing else to do but believe. But unfortunately, this level of evidence does not exist. Most likely because it is not true.

I just wanted to share this. If you are going to respond with a snarky one liner, you can save it.

The newly posted date by Harold Camping for the end of the world is October 21, 2011. As we enter the month of October it will be interesting to see how people's behavior may change. I wonder what the new excuse for the world not ending will be on October 22.

@frosbel what is a "Militant religiously fanatical atheist"?

^^^^^^There are many who do not seek the lord and understand justice and are good people. Just as there are those who do "seek the lord" and are some of the worst, hypocritical people you will ever meet.

@diluminati I agree with you that religion is a problem and has done more harm than good. my point is that from a psychological perspective, people are so deeply indoctrinated with religious beliefs that it will be quite difficult to get them to change their views. This can even be seen on this website. So many have given clear arguments about the true origins of the bible and the real purpose of religion as a form of control. But still, many argue that the bible is the infallible word of God.

What are you proposing, that all churches and mosques close and islam, christianity, and other religions are eliminated? This is not possible because some people would not know what to do with themselves. They would not know how to think, how to cope, how to live.

@diluminati You are correct but religion holds too much significance for people. It is their way of coping with a a life that may otherwise be unbearable. Sometimes, reality is too much to handle. If you take religion away you must be able to replace it with something else or there will just be chaos and despair.

@harakiri do not waste your time becoming frustrated with the Hypocrisy of @HISchild. He believes that he will be going to heaven on October 21. Something is not correct mentally with him. You may remember him having been on this site earlier this year as HISservant. If you look at the posts of HISservant in the search, you will see all the messages about May 21 being judgment day. Clearly this did not happen. But, HISchild/HISservant seems to forget all of the scriptures about what will happen to false messengers. You are correct. The hypocrisy is absurd, but so is he.

@Hischild It is unfortunate that you do not know how to think and are just a mindless follower. All of your posts on this site have been contradicted or proven wrong by other posters by using the same bible that you claim to be the infallible word. What is your fear in thinking deeper, rather than posting scripture like a zombie?


[b]Revelation 1:10 “I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.” Some use this verse to declare Sunday is now Sabbath simply because John uses the term "the Lord's day." Truth is, the Scriptures already define the seventh day Sabbath as the Lord's day thousands of years prior in Isaiah 58:13 wherein we find the Lord calling, "…the sabbath, …my holy day;” quite bluntly. Even Jesus Himself stated in the New Testament Scriptures in Matthew 12:8 that, “…the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day.”

Many forget the very first thing recorded in the Bible itself is work being done on Sunday in Genesis 1:1-5. God in point of fact commands all men to work upon the first day of the week in the heart of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:8-11. He specifically says in verse nine of that Commandment that, "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:" Is it wrong for us to obey God? Did not the apostles state in Acts 5:29 that, “…we ought to obey God rather then men.” God calls Sunday a work day in Exodus 23:12; 31:15; 34:21; 35:2, Leviticus 23:3, Deuteronomy 5:13, Ezekiel 46:1 and Luke 13:14 as well. [/b]

If we all notice @Hischild keeps saying the last days are here and judgment day is imminent. He who does not belong to a church but follows harold camping believes the world will end Oct 21 , 2011. Let us hope he goes away after this date!

@nodogma AMEN!!!!! I could not have said it better myself. This guy is the biggest hypocrite ever! May 21 is Judgment Day Hearts and Minds Should Inquire is what he wrote on this site for months. Now he says the world will end in months. False prophesies and false teachings and he has the audacity to say anything about the church? How may people are now destititute and disillusioned after the May 21 nonsense. This Hischild person is unbelievable, arrogant, and quite delusional.

The church like everything else has its good and bad parts. However, I know even for my community the church does many wonderful things. There are many poor and homeless amidst abujas wealth. My church takes them in, provides food, provides education. How is this a bad thing. Why would it be under judgment?

@HIschild, what positive things are you doing besides spreading fear and lies and quoting the bible like a zombie? What positive contributions have you made to this world. I am sure the answer is none!

[b]The sexism and atrocities against women in the bible.

The MEN who wrote the Bible often reflected a degrading view of women, homosexuals, slaves, and Jews among others. If these views actually represent the views of God, then this falsely makes God a bigot and a respecter of persons. For this reason, an infallible Bible cannot be true

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

GE 3:16, CO 11:3-9, EP 5:22-24, CN 3:18, TS 2:5, 1PE 3:1-6 The husband is to rule over his wife. Wives are to be subject to their husbands even when the husband is disobedient to God. Man is the image and glory of God, while woman is the glory of man. Man was not created for woman but woman for man.

Women must cut their hair off if they don't cover it: "If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off." (1 Cor. 11:6)

GE 3:16 Women should suffer pain during childbirth. (Note: This verse was used by the Church to oppose the use of anesthesia during childbirth.)

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

EX 21:7-11 A father can sell a daughter into slavery to pay a debt. A daughter sold into slavery is not released at the end of six years as is an ordinary male slave.

EX 21:16 Whoever steals a man is to be put to death. (Note: This is in spite of the fact that a father can sell his daughter into slavery; see EX 21:7-11.)

EX 22:16-17 An unbetrothed virgin is required to marry her seducer.

LE 12:2 A woman who has a child, especially a female child, is unclean and purification rites are required.

"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
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For those who believe the bible is the infallible Word of God, How do you explain the numerous contradictions?  Did God make a mistake?

Contradictions in the bible: there are too many to ignore.


Grace and works
For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works.
Ephesians 2:8,9

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
James 2:24

Mercy
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

Killing
Thou shalt not kill
Exod 20:13

Thus sayeth the LORD God of Israel, "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour".
Exod 32:27

Images (like the cross)
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
Exod 20:4

"And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
Exodus 25:18

Repenting
"I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
Ezekiel 24:14

. . . and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jonah 3:10

Mercy
"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
Jer 13:14

The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.
James 5:11

temptation
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham.
Gen 22:1

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
James 1:13

Ability
"Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?"
Jeremiah 32:27

And the Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Judges 1:19

Wisdom
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Prov 4:7

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1 Cor 1:19

The Dead

The dead know not any thing, neither have they any more reward.
Eccles 9:5

These shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous unto life eternal.
Matt 25:46

Children
Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.
Isa 14:21

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Deut 24:16

Elijah
And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2 Kings 2:11

No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ,  the Son of Man.
John 3:13

hate
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

abiding in him.
1 John 3:15 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26

Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Good deeds

Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)

Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)
February 2 at 12:09pm

My Friend, Live your life and enjoy it.  If you made a mistake and married the wrong person, do not stay and suffer.  You are allowed to divorce.  If you choose to believe it, the bible says that we are imperfect.  Your imperfect self made a mistake.  Let @Hischild stay in his misery, you may also stay if you choose to, but you do not have to.

Contradictions in the bible: they are too many to ignore. It does not make sense and you must use your common sense and not follow these things blindly including rules about divorce.


Grace and works
For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works.
Ephesians 2:8,9

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
James 2:24

Mercy
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

Killing
Thou shalt not kill
Exod 20:13

Thus sayeth the LORD God of Israel, "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour".
Exod 32:27

Images (like the cross)
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
Exod 20:4

"And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
Exodus 25:18

Repenting
"I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
Ezekiel 24:14

. . . and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jonah 3:10

Mercy
"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
Jer 13:14

The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.
James 5:11

temptation
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham.
Gen 22:1

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
James 1:13

Ability
"Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?"
Jeremiah 32:27

And the Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Judges 1:19

Wisdom
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Prov 4:7

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1 Cor 1:19

The Dead

The dead know not any thing, neither have they any more reward.
Eccles 9:5

These shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous unto life eternal.
Matt 25:46

Children
Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.
Isa 14:21

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Deut 24:16

Elijah
And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2 Kings 2:11

No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ,  the Son of Man.
John 3:13

hate
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

abiding in him.
1 John 3:15 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26

Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Good deeds

Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)

Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)
February 2 at 12:09pm

I agree it is just the crazies! With all of the storms and bad weather this year, the idiots, crazy people, and mentally ill have been out of control with thinking the world will end. I am sure they will find something else to say after Elenin. It is sad that people cannot just enjoy life.

[b]Is the only difference between a Christian and a non-believer the fact that one believes in Jesus/God and the other does not?  There are so many non-believers in naija who are pure in heart and have the fruits of the spirit while many Christians do not.

There are many Christians who claim to be born again yet they do the most hideous things.  I work in the government and have heard a story of a man who claims to be a born again Christian, he stole over a two hundred million naira from his parents and is living on this money.  His parents are aware that it was him who stole the money and are heart broken, but he will not return it, in fact he has spent most of it according to people who are familiar with him.  This man apparently is in Naija and the story is true.  The man claims that God made it possible for him to steal this money from his parents and also states that the parents must have done something in order for them to be dealt this ordeal.  Many who know him say this man has done many other horrible things in addition to this, but claims to be born again.  As a parent the thought of having a child like this makes me cringe.  This is just one example to illustrate my point.

Then there are many people I know who are not "believers" but would never do such a thing.  They have a conscience.  Clearly the man above and many others who claim to be born again do not have a conscience and are able to do such terrible things and justify it through the bible.

My question is, is a person who claims to be born again but clearly engages in evil acts a better person than a non believer who acts in righteous and correct ways?[/b]

Sweetnecta:

@Op; what if the world exist after the date you posted?

will you quit being a christian?

there is Islam you know. we don't have gloom and doom that you are preaching.

the world for humans and all will end when God Wills it.

@sweetnecta if you actually read the post you will see that I do not believe in this but am asking what others think. It is not good to assume.

[b]I came across this information on the website for Family Radio the organization led by Harold Camping that was behind May 21 is Judgment Day.  I do not agree with this information , but I am interested what those who are supporters of the bible and those who are not think of this.  This shows how the teachings of the bible can be used to fit anyone's agenda. Personally, I think it is a good example of how the bible can be misused for evil instead of good.

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What really happened this past May 21st ? What really happened is that God accomplished exactly what He wanted to happen. That was to warn the whole world that on May 21 God’s salvation program would be finished on that day. For the next five months, except for the elect (the true believers), the whole world is under God’s final judgment. To accomplish this goal God withheld from the true believers the way in which two phrases were to be understood. Had He not done so, the world would never have been shaken in fear as it was.

    One phrase is “the completion of God’s salvation program.” The other is “God’s final judgment.” The completion of God’s salvation plan is concentrated in the word “rapture.” The phrase “God’s final judgment” is concentrated in the word “earthquake.”

    These two words, “earthquake” and “rapture,” have been extremely important in our teaching of Judgment Day – May 21. A critical understanding of these two words is the only change required to know why the unsaved are now living in a world that has not been horribly destroyed, and the elect have not been caught up to be with God.

    We always look at the word “earthquake” to mean the earth, or ground, is quaking or shaking violently. However, in the Bible the word “earth” can include people as well as ground.

In Genesis 2:7 we read:

    “And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground…” Thus the word “earthquake” can also be understood to teach that mankind shakes.

    Therefore we have learned from our experience of last May 21 what actually happened. All of mankind was shaken with fear. Indeed the earth (or mankind) did quake in a way it had never before been shaken. God had come spiritually to bring judgment upon the whole world.

    The second word, “rapture,” identifies with the idea of the completion of God’s salvation program. The catching up of all the elect meant that there was to be no more salvation activity to be done anywhere in the world by God. Each and every true believer had become eternally safe with God in Heaven. No more was there any aspect of God’s salvation program that remained to be done.

    But the same thing became true this past May 21, even though no one was raptured. No one who had not become saved by that date can ever become saved. God tells us in Revelation 22:10-12:

    “And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: For the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still. And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

    Thus we have learned that except for a somewhat different understanding of the words “earthquake” and “rapture” or “catching up” no other past teachings of Judgment Day or the end of the world have been changed. The time line, the certainty of it, the proofs, and the signs are all precisely the same. No other past teachings have been changed or modified. Indeed, on May 21 Christ did come spiritually to put all of the unsaved throughout the world into judgment. But that universal judgment will not be physically seen until the last day of the five month judgment period, on October 21, 2011.

    We have also learned that God is still teaching that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked and will not punish the wicked beyond what is called for in Deuteronomy 25. That is, there is a distinct limit to God’s wrath.

    Thus we can be sure that the whole world, with the exception of those who are presently saved (the elect), are under the judgment of God, and will be annihilated together with the whole physical world on October 21, 2011, on the last day of the present five months period. On that day the true believers (the elect) will be raptured. We must remember that only God knows who His elect are that He saved prior to May 21.

    You, too, without your knowledge may have become saved before that date. Anyone can continue to beseech God for mercy because salvation and the election program are entirely in God’s hands.
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[b]There seem to be two schools of Christians.  There are those who are kind and loving and show what would be considered the fruit of the spirit.  Then there are the fundamentalists/extremists who seem to give Christianity a bad name.  These are the ones who rejoice whenever there is a natural disaster hoping that Jesus is coming with it.  The May 21 judgment day crowd would be an example.  They seem to lack any real soul, but just recite the bible like zombies.  They use the scripture that one should not be luke warm to justify their crazy actions.  These are the ones who do not believe in divorce, mistreat their wives and children, do not go to the doctor, cannot have a conversation without quoting abundant scriptures, alleniate themselves from friends and family, all in the name of the bible.  There does not seem to be anything positive going on here.  My question is for Christians, do you consider fundamentalist Christians to be the same as you?  Or, are they seen as misinterpreting scripture or even worse, mentally ill?[/b]

[b]@Hischild  If a man is able to acknowledge and say that he is crazy, then he is not.  So you saying you are not crazy does not mean you are not, it shows moreso that you are.  Furthermore, your posts demonstrate a definite form of some sort of mental illness.  Your lack of ability to reason clearly and your belief that you have been chosen to report some news to us are all clear signs of a psychotic episode.  My hope is that you get some help, and this is said sincerely.  You may be suffering from what is known as bipolar disorder.  Extreme religiosity and religious fanaticism, obessesion with the end times, and a belief that one is being compelled by God to spread some message and do other crazy things, are all signs. 

Why are you so sure that anything happened on May 21, because Harold Camping told you so?  Absolutely nothing happened.  It was a beautiful day and we all laughed at you and your leader.  Your pride cannot allow you to say nothing happened, but pride comes before a fall, and by the end of this year your fall will be enormous.  The man has had a stroke and is now in a nursing home.  You should be very careful.  When the world does not end this year as you have so boldly once again proclaimed it will I hope you will get help.  Enough is enough with your nonsense.

We are all sorry that your life is so worthless that you are waiting to die this year.  That is very sad and unfortunate.  But you can improve things.  Choose better.  be a good person genuinely instead of depending on a book.  Stop spreading these false messages. 

We have it here.  These are your exact words.  Please do not hide again when nothing happens, we will be looking forward to hearing from you.[/b]

GOD's final judgment, HIS sentence passed on this world was passed on May 21, 2011 (like in a court of law),  the execution thereof (following shortly thereafter -like in a court of law), will be accomplished before the end of this year, very mercifully.  i am not joking, neither am i crazy, nor fear mongering, by GOD's grace and mercy alone.  i am merely delivering a serious message, and the good gospel of hope, pursuant to the word of GOD, which is truth.  The Lord JESUS CHRIST's return is imminent, so "watch and pray".

[b]There are a few posters on this website who speak consistently about the coming of Jesus and the end of the world. As Africans, we cannot live our lives based on this, and must challenge those who come to cause confusion and try to keep us down with primitive views and thoughts. Look at the terrible state of Africa. As long as people live in anticipation of the end of the world or Jesus coming to take them to heaven, they will not try as hard to improve conditions here on earth, where for as long as we know until shown otherwise, we will live until we die.

People have expected the end of the world for centuries and it has never come. The "signs" that have been given as reasons why the end is coming can be attributed to any time in history. That is why it works so well to scare people, it can be easily generalized, the writers knew what they were doing. There have always been diseases and wars and man being unkind to his fellow man. At other times in history it was even worse than it is now. Think of the plagues, etc. I am sure those people thought they were living in the end times and Jesus was coming, he never did. This would lead one to conclude that the end is not coming, at least not in the way that is believed. This is a primitive and outdated way of being and thinking.

This year there was a big deal made by some regarding May 21, 2011. There was one person who posted on this site, I think the screen name was Hisservant or Thyservant who posted non-stop about May 21 and never showed up here again after nothing happened. It was clear that this person was crazy, but as a result of posts like that, many made terrible decisions in anticipation of the world ending on this date. It did not end but as a result lives were destroyed.

I ask that people start to think for themselves and not out of fear. If we all work together, we can make positive changes in the world that we are here to live in and it will become less of a scary place. We can make it better for our children and their children. However, if we keep waiting for Jesus to come and not using the talents and gifts we have been given, things will continue to fall apart. Beware of those who are so adamant about the end coming. The end may be coming for those people through poor choices, and they may desperately want it in order to escape their miserable existence, but please the date of the end is not something that anyone can know. it will come when it comes. Until then, let us be productive human beings and help to make positive change in Africa and in the world. We are a powerful people and it is time for us to demonstrate this. Challenge those who come on this website to post garbage about judgment day and the end of the world. They have their own agenda to keep us in fear. Misery loves company!

For those who would like scriptural proof that there is no literal return of Jesus, it is below:


Why Jesus Isn't Coming Again

The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ spoke to His disciples 2000 years ago, telling them that he would return, that he was "coming again". His promise remains one of the most central themes in the myriad of Christian belief systems. Except for a very small minority, Christians still believe he is coming again, the Parousia, the rapture. Is His promise still valid? Has He yet to return? Or did He make the promise only to break it in the lifetime of those to whom He spoke?

The Promise

The following is taken from the Bible. All verses are from the King James version unless otherwise noted. The Bible references are hyperlinks and will take the reader to the New International Version quotation if so desired.

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Fatherwith his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death*, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 16: 27-28


The language is clear. Jesus told his disciples that some of them would not taste of death - would not die - before he returned, until he came into his kingdom.

If you've been mistakenly taught that the verses above refer to Christ's Transfiguration, read Revelation 20:12 which coincides with Matthew 16:27 in describing a Judgment Day scenario:

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:12


Christ was, again, clearly referring to his second coming before that present generation passed.

Again, Jesus tells his disciples:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass*, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:30-34


Again, Christ describes certain events and warns those who are listening to him that "This generation shall not pass*, till all these things be fulfilled". He is speaking about their present generation.

Although the above scriptures clearly convey that Christ was talking about his present generation, there are many other references in the New Testament indicating that the writers of the Gospels and Epistles as well as the followers of Christ firmly believed that Jesus was speaking of their present generation and not some future time hundreds or thousands of years down the road.

Jesus spoke to his followers again about his coming according to the book of Matthew:

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Matthew 10:22-23


The cities of Israel were not so numerous that it would have taken a fleeing man 2000 years to go over or through them. No man could live that long. Christ said before a fleeing man could go through all the cities, he would come. Again, Christ was speaking of his return in that generation. He left no doubt as to his meaning in this passage.

What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short*. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
(1 Corinthians 7:29-31 - NIV)


Paul tells the Corinthians that time is short and that the world in its present form is passing away. His words have a strong sense of urgency, rather than being a mere suggestion. Paul believes the world is presently passing away. He is not speaking of some event which could take place 2000 years in the future.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep*, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
1 Corinthians 15:50-53


In this passage, Paul tells the Corinthians We shall not all sleep. Again, Paul is convinced and is convincing the Corinthians that the second coming of Christ is imminent in that generation and not all who hear his words will "sleep" or die prior to Christ's coming.

We Which Are Alive And Shall Remain

In the following portion of the letter which Paul writes to the Thessalonians he discusses those who remain alive in the present tense.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain* unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain* shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18


More Scripture Indicating Immediate Urgency

The New Testament is abundantly filled with references to the immediacy of Christ's return.

But the end of all things is at hand:* be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1 Peter 4:7



God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days* spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
Hebrews 1:1-2


In 1 John, the false prophets foretold by Jesus who existed in that time period to give notice of the end times are discussed.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God,
1 John 4:1-3


*(italics mine)

According to the Bible, Jesus Christ said he would return in the generation in which he lived. He said the sign of the Son of Man would appear in heaven. He said all the tribes of Israel would mourn. He said the tribes would see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. He said he would send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet. The angels were to gather the "elect" from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. All of these things were to have happened in his generation. They didn't happen.

Jesus did not return as he said he would. He did not return as his disciples believed and preached that he would. Jesus didn't come in the disciples generation. He didn't come in any generation. The disciples all died. Jesus' promise was broken. The disciples believed and lived a false hope.

Jesus didn't come then and he isn't coming in the future. Those who cling to the broken promise and false hope of his return will be just as disappointed as the disciples who died looking in vain for the second coming of their Christ.

He isn't coming again.

Taken from angelfire.com[/b]

[b]There are a few posters on this website who speak consistently about the coming of Jesus and the end of the world.   As Africans, we cannot live our lives based on this, and must challenge those who come to cause confusion and try to keep us down with primitive views and thoughts.  Look at the terrible state of Africa.  As long as people live in anticipation of the end of the world or Jesus coming to take them to heaven, they will not try as hard to improve conditions here on earth, where for as long as we know until shown otherwise, we will live until we die.   

People have expected the end of the world for centuries and it has never come.  The "signs" that have been given as reasons why the end is coming can be attributed to any time in history.  That is why it works so well to scare people, it can be easily generalized, the writers knew what they were doing.  There have always been diseases and wars and man being unkind to his fellow man.  At other times in history it was even worse than it is now.  Think of the plagues, etc.  I am sure those people thought they were living in the end times and Jesus was coming, he never did.  This would lead one to conclude that the end is not coming, at least not in the way that is believed.  This is a primitive and outdated way of being and thinking. 

This year there was a big deal made by some regarding May 21, 2011.  There was one person who posted on this site, I think the screen name was Hisservant or Thyservant who posted non-stop about May 21 and never showed up here again after nothing happened.  It was clear that this person was crazy, but as a result of posts like that, many made terrible decisions in anticipation of the world ending on this date.  It did not end but as a result lives were destroyed.

I ask that people start to think for themselves and not out of fear.  If we all work together, we can make positive changes in the world that we are here to live in and it will become less of a scary place.  We can make it better for our children and their children.  However, if we keep waiting for Jesus to come and not using the talents and gifts we have been given, things will continue to fall apart.  Beware of those who are so adamant about the end coming.  The end may be coming for those people through poor choices, and they may desperately want it in order to escape their miserable existence,  but please the date of the end is not something that anyone can know.  it will come when it comes.  Until then, let us be productive human beings and help to make positive change in Africa and in the world.  We are a powerful people and it is time for us to demonstrate this.  Challenge those who come on this website to post garbage about judgment day and the end of the world.  They have their own agenda to keep us in fear.  Misery loves company!

For those who would like scriptural proof that there is no literal return of Jesus, it is below:


Why Jesus Isn't Coming Again

The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ spoke to His disciples 2000 years ago, telling them that he would return, that he was "coming again". His promise remains one of the most central themes in the myriad of Christian belief systems. Except for a very small minority, Christians still believe he is coming again, the Parousia, the rapture. Is His promise still valid? Has He yet to return? Or did He make the promise only to break it in the lifetime of those to whom He spoke?

The Promise

The following is taken from the Bible. All verses are from the King James version unless otherwise noted. The Bible references are hyperlinks and will take the reader to the New International Version quotation if so desired.

    For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Fatherwith his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
    Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death*, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
    Matthew 16: 27-28


The language is clear. Jesus told his disciples that some of them would not taste of death - would not die - before he returned, until he came into his kingdom.

If you've been mistakenly taught that the verses above refer to Christ's Transfiguration, read Revelation 20:12 which coincides with Matthew 16:27 in describing a Judgment Day scenario:

    And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    Revelation 20:12


Christ was, again, clearly referring to his second coming before that present generation passed.

Again, Jesus tells his disciples:

    And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass*, till all these things be fulfilled.
    Matthew 24:30-34


Again, Christ describes certain events and warns those who are listening to him that "This generation shall not pass*, till all these things be fulfilled". He is speaking about their present generation.

Although the above scriptures clearly convey that Christ was talking about his present generation, there are many other references in the New Testament indicating that the writers of the Gospels and Epistles as well as the followers of Christ firmly believed that Jesus was speaking of their present generation and not some future time hundreds or thousands of years down the road.

Jesus spoke to his followers again about his coming according to the book of Matthew:

    And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
    Matthew 10:22-23


The cities of Israel were not so numerous that it would have taken a fleeing man 2000 years to go over or through them. No man could live that long. Christ said before a fleeing man could go through all the cities, he would come. Again, Christ was speaking of his return in that generation. He left no doubt as to his meaning in this passage.

    What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short*. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
    (1 Corinthians 7:29-31 - NIV)


Paul tells the Corinthians that time is short and that the world in its present form is passing away. His words have a strong sense of urgency, rather than being a mere suggestion. Paul believes the world is presently passing away. He is not speaking of some event which could take place 2000 years in the future.

    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep*, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
    1 Corinthians 15:50-53


In this passage, Paul tells the Corinthians We shall not all sleep. Again, Paul is convinced and is convincing the Corinthians that the second coming of Christ is imminent in that generation and not all who hear his words will "sleep" or die prior to Christ's coming.

We Which Are Alive And Shall Remain

In the following portion of the letter which Paul writes to the Thessalonians he discusses those who remain alive in the present tense.

    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain* unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain* shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
    1 Thessalonians 4:15-18


More Scripture Indicating Immediate Urgency

The New Testament is abundantly filled with references to the immediacy of Christ's return.

    But the end of all things is at hand:* be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
    1 Peter 4:7



    God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days* spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
    Hebrews 1:1-2


In 1 John, the false prophets foretold by Jesus who existed in that time period to give notice of the end times are discussed.

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God,
    1 John 4:1-3


*(italics mine)

According to the Bible, Jesus Christ said he would return in the generation in which he lived. He said the sign of the Son of Man would appear in heaven. He said all the tribes of Israel would mourn. He said the tribes would see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. He said he would send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet. The angels were to gather the "elect" from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. All of these things were to have happened in his generation. They didn't happen.

Jesus did not return as he said he would. He did not return as his disciples believed and preached that he would. Jesus didn't come in the disciples generation. He didn't come in any generation. The disciples all died. Jesus' promise was broken. The disciples believed and lived a false hope.

Jesus didn't come then and he isn't coming in the future. Those who cling to the broken promise and false hope of his return will be just as disappointed as the disciples who died looking in vain for the second coming of their Christ.

He isn't coming again.

Taken from angelfire.com[/b]

@Hischild and bisbellcall I ask as a concerned person, what is your obsession about and anticipation of Jesus's return? Is your life on earth that bad? Have you made such horrible mistakes or ruined your life so terribly that your only reason for living is that Jesus is coming back soon or imminently as you put it? Many waited for Jesus on May 21 with great disappointment as happened in other years and other dates set for the return. Jesus is not coming. The "signs" that you speak of can be witnessed at any time in history. Be careful of the choices that you make in your life, the bridges you burn, the people you hurt, and the obligations you do not fulfill. In the short term you may be able to run from them with a Jesus is coming back belief. However, when weeks, months, and years go by and Jesus does not come back, there is nothing left but bad choices, regret, and disillusionment. What makes you think that you are so special that Jesus is coming in your time? Please, choose wisely! For, I fear when Jesus does not come back I cannot imagine what will happen to you.

The actual idea of the return is a metaphor not literal. There is no Jesus that is coming back. People have had worst times than this and saw what they also thought were signs and they waited and waited and Jesus did not come back.

Choose wisely, you cannot run from life, eventually you will be held accountable for all!